MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 808

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) ADMIN:
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  2) Re: Filk!
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  3) I'm new!
	by haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu
  4) Re: I'm new!
	by Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
  5) Re: Misty minutiae
	by undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
  6) Umm, hello
	by "AMY E. BAUER" <baueramy-+AT+-zebu.cvm.msu.edu>
  7) Gall/WA/bonds/willowbark
	by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
  8) HELP>>
	by Chirs-+AT+-aol.com
  9) Re: Umm, hello
	by "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
 10) Re: Gall/WA/bonds/willowbark
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 11) Re: Umm, hello
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 12) I'm new!
	by gdjone1-+AT+-pacbell.net
 13) Re: Filk! and welcomes...
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
 14) I'm not exactly new, but...
	by Lia Talmas <ldt107-+AT+-psu.edu>
 15) Re: I'm new!
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
 16) Braid: Idra's brother/HA/Bab5/
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 17) Re: renn faire/virtual faire/pouncing
	by Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
 18) DragonCon/bi
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
 19) Mirror Sheilds/Need on Battlefield/and other misc. things.
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
 20) re: "real" names
	by catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
 21) Book recs/release dates/book returns/silliness
	by undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
 22) Power of...what?
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
 23) Re: Kayla's Potential/
	by David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
 24) Welcome!
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:45:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: ADMIN:
Message-ID: <199609041145.MAA16685-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Your ever-loving Listmistress will be mostly offline from this evening (Weds)
until next Monday -- I say 'mostly' because I will be able to dial in, but
at mobile-phone prices I won't be staying on very long. Play nicely while I'm
gone!

(Anyone who is going to EuroGenCon at Loughborough, stop by and say hello. I'll
be the one in black. :))

Mel

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Filk!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960904113633.25002B-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Jake wrote:

> All right; now that I've taken a good listen to him, Larry Warner IS quite
> good. I liked ST. ELMO'S FIRE a lot, although his "Threes rev 1.1" is not as
> good as the one Misty sings on MERCEDES LACKEY ... LIVE!

Yeah, that's one of the songs that sort of dissapionts me.  

> FREEDOM, FLIGHT, AND FANTASY was depressing!  Aiee!  Especially the song
> about that Alexi guy.  The people at work were wondering why I looked so
> sad. *sigh* I guess it's because the song itself relates to me personally,
> in a way (those close friends of mine who are really curious can email me
> about it).

How's about "Rejected" for depressing?  Now _that_ would have me down in
the dumps.  Hmmm.  I can't really think of one song on that album that's
_not_ depressing in some way.  Well, maybe Dream Rider, but that song bugs
me, so I don't listen to it.

> LESLIE FISH ... LIVE! is just plain good.  Although I really think her
> anarchy songs are droll.

I've got to get this soon, and the Misty live too.  Jeez.  And to think
that, at first, I didn't like listening to the V&H tapes b/c of Fish.  I
think that her voice just kind of grows on you. :)

> Does anyone have MURDER, MAGIC, AND MAYHEM?  I'm looking to get a copy of 
> it...

I think that it's waaaaaay out of print.

Mat
Cat Person, Adept, and           |"Each man builds his own garden, by what
God of Procrastination           | his heart says is true. And mine is so
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | very special to me, but it seems I can
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| share it with you." - Heather Alexander


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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:27:14 EST
From: haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: I'm new!
Message-ID: <009A7DDC.7C169F42.139-+AT+-earlham.edu>

Heyla, one and all!

  I heard of this list from a friend and it sounded spiffy!  Of course, 
being a big Misty fan helped too...  

  2 Questions... Are there any Earlhamites or Midwesterners on this list?  I 
have been looking for Misty fans out here and having found any (whimper, 
sob, sob).  

  What is obMisty?  I have seen references to this and am confused as to 
what it is.  Please explain.  Thanks! 
  
  And a big, virtual flying tackle hug to everyone on this list!!!

Lady Wildcat  aka. Lady of most things kittenish, blue roses, and dumb luck

And as Happy the mime would say.

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:47:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm new!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960904114426.5803A-100000-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

People, this is my friend the Talia-clone...be nice to her, she's REALLLLY
wacky :) Yes, I hooked her on Misty a long time ago, she's just as into it
as I am...

 Lady Wildcat wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu wrote:

> Heyla, one and all!
> 
>   I heard of this list from a friend and it sounded spiffy!  Of course, 
> being a big Misty fan helped too...  
> 
>   What is obMisty?  I have seen references to this and am confused as to 
> what it is.  Please explain.  Thanks! 
>   
When you make a post that's mostly off-topic, it's good to make an
"obMisty" that is an obligatory Misty
remark/reference/question/observation...so that the List Mistress doesn't
get ya!

(Uhhhh....Mishi, meet Wildcat--Wildcat, Mishi)
(Everybody else, leave the room if you value your sanity!!!)  ;)


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
To: list lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Misty minutiae
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960904105728.11750B-100000-+AT+-little-miami.iac.net>

Heyla!

This is all in response to Kimbada's response to my earlier post.

On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Kimberly wrote:

> Is that [Phyllis Ann Karr's Frostflower & Thorn stories]  in the S&S 
anthos? *frowns, trying to remember* It sounds awfully
> familiar. *thinkthinkthink* Yes, it is! *lightbulb goes off* The early
> ones, at least, one or two in my school library...
 
Yes, IIRC they do make an appearance or two in the S&S anthos and in _The 
Best of MZB's Fantasy Magazine_ (amusing take off on the Lady in the Lake). 
They also were in a novel which is OP :(
 ************************

*big snip of an excerpt from "A Different Kind of Courage" by Misty in MZB's 
antho Free Amazons of Darkover in which I asked if anyone thought it 
described a proto-lifebond*

> what on earth is laran?

Aha, Kimichan you haven't read MZB's Darkover books have you? Simplest 
explanation is that laran is a psionic talent/gift/ability.

> I think is she just took what she > started in Arrows and developed it,
and now the earlier defintion's > evolved, so that whatever that was, it's
not a kina-sorta lifebond *gryn*

Really? 'cause this sounded a lot like it to me with the bond being 
detectable on the psychic level by a third person. Hmm...Has anyone ever 
figured out just what differentiates a lifebond from a lovebond?
***********************************************************

> Hmmm. I think I've seen MZB say that Misty was printed in S&S III, but not
> that it was Misty's first publishing....

Well this is why I wondered:

In the intro to Misty's short story "Satanic Versus" in _The Best of of 
MZB's Fantasy Magazine_ Vol.2, MZB writes, " Misty is another of "my"
writers; I bought her first two short stories for S&SIII and S&SIV..."

While in _Free Amazons of Darkover_, MZB writes in the intro to Misty's 
story, "...she [Misty] has had several stories published in the small 
semi-pro fantasy magazines..." But never makes a reference to S&SIII.

And in the intro to "Sword Sworn" in S&SIII, MZB writes, "I did not know 
she was also a writer until she sent me a story for _Free Amazons of 
Darkover_." 

BTW, has anyone read the stories that were published in the "small 
semi-pro fantasy magazines"

Kimbella was conjecturing:> 
> But er... lemme take a guess? maybe Misty wrote it before, stuck it in a
> completely no-name magazine, and what you have is a reprint?

But the Darkover story is copyrighted 1985 which is when the whole antho 
was published. *wrinkles brow over Misty minutiae*
***********************************

Esmeralda with the exquisite taste in books queried:

> >Kimberly  - weren't you reading College of Magics (C. Stervermer) - it's on
> >my list of books to buy, having read the first chapter on Tor's web site. Is
> >it worth reading? Worth buying?

And Kimberella responded: 

> *gryn* Worth reading, oh yes. Don't know about worth buying because I don't
> know how willing you are to spend... I liked it; it's sort of DeLint-ish,
> somehow *puzzled frown* I can't place my finger on why I'd think that, but
> I do. Anyone else get that?

I second the suggestion. I enjoyed it a lot. I'm hoping that she'll write 
more. She's got a book coming out this fall but it's not fantasy :(
Worth reading and buying. Hmmm, I'm not so sure if I thought it was De 
Lintish. Actually it reminded me a bit of Ellen Kushner.

	
I'm posting this before it gets any more unwieldy ;)

		Undine
"Insanity in individuals is something rare-but in groups, parties, 
nations and epochs, it is the rule."






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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:05:47 EST
From: "AMY E. BAUER" <baueramy-+AT+-zebu.cvm.msu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Umm, hello
Message-ID: <1FC0AAF3FDA-+AT+-zebu.cvm.msu.edu>

I say sheepishly as I step out of the shadows (metaphorically 
speaking).  I've been skulking (I forget the correct term, and it's 
such a great word) for a few days and thought that I should 
introduce, or reintroduce as the case may be, myself.  My name's Amy, 
and I was on the list for a while last spring (before finals 
happened).  A lot of your names are new to me, so hello and it's a 
pleasure.
  I'm a vet student at Michigan State, so Lady Wildcat, there's at 
least one other midwesterner here ;).  Where is Earlham located?
  Before I recede again, I have a couple of questions.  Has anyone 
pick up a copy of the new book yet?  There's this Pharmacology exam 
Tuesday, and I like to reward myself for survival ...   Actually, I 
rethought the second one.

   OB Misty:  I've noticed that most healers in Valdemar tend to 
treat animals as well as people.  That was once the case here as 
well.  Do you think that, over time, healing would fragment into 
discplines the way medicine has done?

Still working on a use name ...
amy

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:12:21 -0700
From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Gall/WA/bonds/willowbark
Message-ID: <LScLywHqh1kD088yn-+AT+-cet.com>


On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 A Shady Lady said; 8)#

>Hey, you guys are from Washington? So am I, what part? You do mean
>Washington, not Washington DC, right? Wow, this is cool, I didn't think there
>were many other's from Washington. 
>

Did you forget that I also reside in the Evergreen State? Granted I'm on 
the Inland Empire side, not in the land of Fogs, Bogs & Frogs.
(Spokane on the east side of the state be where I am)

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

I sometimes wonder if Misty has a coherent definition of all the
different bonds she's used(love, life, Goddess blessed) or if
she just kinda makes it up as she goes?

Asprin is the stuff (Acetate-Salicyilic Acid)(sp?) that makes 
willow bark tea work IIRC. And without the ***foul*** taste.

Speaking of foul medicine- My wife went in to the hospital
to have her Gall-bladder removed Friday night(she's doing fine, 
thanks) so I may not be as proliflic here as usual for a few weeks
since she can't lift anything or drive or.... 

David Tiffany, God of sopyt

Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious.
				      -Ambrose Bierce


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:12:34 -0400
From: Chirs-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: HELP>>
Message-ID: <960904161233_515868588-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

Hi again everyone.  Could somebody please email me at cvankeur-+AT+-compucom.com
and tell me how to unsubscribe?  Don't worry.. I'm just going to switch
accounts & I want this list to come to me at work. 

Thanks!!

OBMisty.  No SB yet (pout)!!!!

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:31:22 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <deanca-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Umm, hello
Message-ID: <199609042031.QAA32731-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

On  4 Sep 96 AMY E. BAUER wrote:
>   Before I recede again, I have a couple of questions.  Has anyone 
> pick up a copy of the new book yet?  

what new book?!?!?!??!?! She Has a New One Out!?????????????
-Vrondi

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gall/WA/bonds/willowbark
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960904135338.96688B-100000-+AT+-homer07.u.washington.edu>



On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker wrote:

>
> On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 A Shady Lady said; 8)#
>
> >Hey, you guys are from Washington? So am I, what part? You do mean
> >Washington, not Washington DC, right? Wow, this is cool, I didn't think there
> >were many other's from Washington.
> >
>
> Did you forget that I also reside in the Evergreen State? Granted I'm on
> the Inland Empire side, not in the land of Fogs, Bogs & Frogs.
> (Spokane on the east side of the state be where I am)

I was born there :-)  And it's the land of Fogs, Bogs, Frogs, & SLUGS.
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>
> I sometimes wonder if Misty has a coherent definition of all the
> different bonds she's used(love, life, Goddess blessed) or if
> she just kinda makes it up as she goes?
>
> Asprin is the stuff (Acetate-Salicyilic Acid)(sp?) that makes
> willow bark tea work IIRC. And without the ***foul*** taste.
>
> Speaking of foul medicine- My wife went in to the hospital
> to have her Gall-bladder removed Friday night(she's doing fine,
> thanks) so I may not be as proliflic here as usual for a few weeks
> since she can't lift anything or drive or....
>
> David Tiffany, God of sopyt
>
> Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious.
> 				      -Ambrose Bierce
>
 Elizabeth, who is trying to come up with a decent usename that some other
person hasn't already taken...


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Umm, hello
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960904135849.96688C-100000-+AT+-homer07.u.washington.edu>



On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Vrondi wrote:

> On  4 Sep 96 AMY E. BAUER wrote:
> >   Before I recede again, I have a couple of questions.  Has anyone
> > pick up a copy of the new book yet?
>
> what new book?!?!?!??!?! She Has a New One Out!?????????????
> -Vrondi>

Storm Breaking is supposed to be out as of yesterday- "supposed to" being
the key words here.

Elizabeth


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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 14:42:22 -0700
From: gdjone1-+AT+-pacbell.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: I'm new!
Message-ID: <322DF7BE.371E-+AT+-pacbell.net>

Heyla!  I'm new here, just breaking out of the lurker stage.  I 
just wanted to say Hello.  
					Lillandra :)

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:44:02 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Filk! and welcomes...
Message-ID: <960904174335_194368818-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com>

Jake spoke,  saying:

<< I've still got to take a listen to A WOLFRIDER'S REFLECTIONS and a couple
of
 other tapes... but one question ere I go: what is the big deal with
 ElfQuest?  People are CONSTANTLY mentioning it to me.  Is it any good?  Help
 me, someone.. should I get a book of it? >>

  Hmm,  I really should get that from a friend.  I keep forgetting.
 Anyway... ElfQuest is fantastic!  I love it and my sis does to.  This year
one of my friends is going to be having an ElfQuest RPG at school,  and I'm
signed up!  My character is my exact opposite,  which should be fun to play.
 "Solitary, blunt, hot-tempered, rugged, unforgiving, and witty."  =)  The
books are expensive though...see if you can borrow one.  My friends co-own
all of them,  and that's how I read them. 

Welcome Lady Wildcat and welcome back amy!  Hope you don't get too scared...
<weg>  (wicked evil grin,  for you newbies)
 
If you have any trouble with the acronyms we use,   we have an entire list,
 so just ask someone to send it to ya.  =)

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"My heart has turned cold,  my dreams are too old,  and I need to know
magic's still there..."  _Storyteller_  Heather Alexander

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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:33:21 -0400
From: Lia Talmas <ldt107-+AT+-psu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: I'm not exactly new, but...
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960904223321.08a7382c-+AT+-email.psu.edu>

Greens and Salad Dressings everyone :c),
  As I just got back on the list, and was on a very short time before summer
came and I had to get off the list, I thought it might be a good idea for me
to reintroduce myself.  My mundane name is Lia, but I generally prefer to go
by my usename/SCAdian name: Lara of Silverwoods.  I am 19, I live in PA, I
will probably be a bio major, and I have several addictions: Misty and
Heather Alexander.  I gulped down the Di Tregardes, most of the Valdemar
books ( I haven't seen the Storm books or the Silver Gryphon yet), as well
as her series about Bards, and elves.  I read some of her short stories, but
I have been unable to locate some of them as of yet.  As for filk, I have
Wanderlust, Songs of the Witch World, Shadowstalker, Oathbound/
Oathbreakers, Heather Alexander...Live!, Serious Steel, and Heralds Harpers
and Havoc.  Oh, one more thing about me: I hate Tolkien.  I know most people
love his work, but this is my opinion and it isn't going to change.  Who
would guess I'd love Shakespeare and hate Tolkien?

OBMisty: I know Misty took some liberties with the Aztecs when she wrote
Burning Water.  I was just wondering: exactly what were they?

Lara of Silverwoods
"Sailing away on the Lady Jamaica
Mama won't you let me see you smile,"--Cartoon (yes, a musical group)


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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 19:01:28 -0400
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm new!
Message-ID: <322E0A48.3586-+AT+-prolog.net>

Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii wrote:
> 
> People, this is my friend the Talia-clone...be nice to her, she's REALLLLY
> wacky :) Yes, I hooked her on Misty a long time ago, she's just as into it
> as I am...
> 

Welcome Wildcat Talia-clone - POUNCE!!!!!!!!!!!

> 
> (Uhhhh....Mishi, meet Wildcat--Wildcat, Mishi)
> (Everybody else, leave the room if you value your sanity!!!)  ;)

Hey Lady Wildcat is she trying to say that you and I will drive everyone 
insane? Gee, that sounds like fun! <WEG>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lady Wildcat wrote:
 And a big, virtual flying tackle hug to everyone on this list!!!

Between your flying tackle hugs and my pounces we are going to have a 
list full of bruised Misty fans. Something tells me you and I are going 
to get along just fine! :-)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Speaking of my pounces, I woluld also like to welcome Amy and Lara Of 
the Silverwoods to the list. POUNCE!!!! POUNCE!!!! Welcome aboard both 
of you. We are all a bit insane here but relatively harmless. <GRYN>

BTW Lara do you go to Penn State and what campus? I'm from Pennsylvania 
myself - I live in Tamaqua.

Love, Luck, and Lollipops,
		Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:30:13 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Idra's brother/HA/Bab5/
Message-ID: <199609042324.SAA11217-+AT+-cdale1.midwest.net>

Catwoman -- Idra's evil brother's name was Raschar. And that was one of my
favorite spells. Think of what would happen if it were cast upon a
firestarter! Sorry Lady Phoenix...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mat -- Thanks for the info on Heather Alexander. Really, I wish there were
more mainstream filk people out there. But MTV did that with Alternative
music, and they killed it -- NO! Exterminated it. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Elizabeth wrote:
>>>"Did I mention that my nose is on fire, and I have 15 wild badgers living
in my trousers?"
                      -Marcus, Babylon 5<<<

AAARRRGGGHHH!!! I remember that quote, but I can't remember what episode
that was from! But I love it! Lady Phoenix loves Marcus, though...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On the B5 thread -- there was this online store with all these
bumperstickers and pins. One of them said "Dear Pres. Clark, Hate you, Hate
Earth Alliance, Taking Babylon 4. Sinclair." There was also one that said:
"Dear Starfleet, Hate you, Hate the Federation, Taking Voyager. Janeway." I
love that one! And there was the "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor not a
________!" 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kerry wrote:
>>>I wonder how you break it down? Shield yourself to a fare-thee-well and
just slam at it until enough power leaks through the reflecting to smash
it? Those kind of things are supposed to be very nasty to break from the
inside.. They might even cut you off from the nodes so you couldn't use 
pure node-power to break them. 
Hmmm, one thing to try might be to set up your own reflecting shield 
around you (reflecting out) and set up a bounce-back effect - you could
keep feeding power into it until -something- had to give. The advantage
of this method would be that you don't need to feed all the power in,
in just one burst, it could build up like shaking a fizzy bottle.<<<

I don't think you can break it down from the inside; you need help from the
outside to do it. And even if one could, (s)he would probably be charred to
nothing trying. Here's something I don't get about illusions: Are advanced
mages able to make the people *sound* different under illusion? 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kerry also wrote:
>>>Something occurred to me reading KoGaS (Knights of Ghosts & Shadows for 
you new guys) - Eric's not really bi at all when you read carefully what's
said and implied in the text. Read the scene where Eric & Beth are healing
Kory after Perenor cuts him up - Kory's fading fast, in fact a lot of his
life force has -already- faded. Eric pulls Beth in and together they fill
up the gaps with their own music, they tie the structure together and 
together the three soar, intermingled. And immediately after that, the 
next morning - the -first- time Eric sits down and really looks at 
Korendil, he gets the "click" reaction - the impetus to care and comfort
and kiss Kory - the damn silly bard's gone and life-bonded himself and 
Beth and Kory together without realizing what he was doing. No wonder
he was confused by his subsequent attraction to Korendil - it wasn't a
case of a bi guy simply realizing his attraction to another guy, it was
a case of a hither-to straight guy dealing with an attraction to another
guy. Actually, I'd wager that Eric isn't really attracted to other guys
besides Kory, at all. It might also explain Misty's not dealing with 
Eric & Kory in a sexual sense in _Summoned To Tourney_ because Eric hasn't
really realized either.<<<

Dod-gummit! I really need to read that book again. But there it is; the
point that Eric, Beth, and Kory are involved in a three-way lifebond. I
think Eric was *very* surprised, even shocked, when Kory first kissed him,
but then, he realized that he really cares for the damn elf. 


Okay, this is a belated braid. Sorry it took so long. Y'all, I'm still here!!!


Love and other nifty emotions,
Summersong, sometimes Spiffy the Cat, currently functioning within
established parameters.


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:48:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: renn faire/virtual faire/pouncing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960904204540.6596B-100000-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>



On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, mishi wrote:

> Heyla Everyone!!
> 
> Well I got to meet Tensen at the PA Renn Faire along with his sister and 
> his sister's boyfriend. I didn't get to meet Gryfalcon though cuz he 
> decided not to show. GYRFALCON I'm annoyed with you <G>. Don't you know 
> that you should annoy the Goddess of Hyperness and Bubbliness? <WEG> Now 
> I have a new target to pick on and boy, did Tensen and his sister ever 
> tell me some stories about you *wink, wink - nudge, nudge*. 

As I said, Gyr is as much a featherhead in person.  If he wasn't so much 
fun to pick on, we'd probbaly have killed him by now.  Hmm, actually in 
my case I think I don't kill him because the fact if he wasn't around, I 
wouldn't get to see his jel'endra :)

> Unfortunatly, I did not get to meet up with Julia. We must have been 
> wandering around at opposite ends of the faire the whole day. Oh, well, 
> them's the breaks I guess.
> 

Not that we had any idea what Julia looked like.  Descriptions folks.  
Descriptions are something we need.

                                            Tensen


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Date:        Wed, 04 Sep 1996 19:54:15 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: DragonCon/bi
Message-ID:  <04SEP96.21496577.0230.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Um, I swear to <fill in Power of your choice> that I posted a message
about Dragoncon, but it seems to have gone to that great mainframe in
the sky.  Well, once more, my announcement:

Misty (yes, Misty) will be appearing (yes, in person) at DragonCon this
summer -- June 26-29 in Atlanta, GA.  Yes, you have heard that she
Doesn't Do Conventions anymore -- her birds get lonely -- but
nevertheless, this is a Confirmed Fact.

check out the webpage at http://www.dragoncon.org

and start assembling your Fiercest Outfit for Heather's Mistylist party
at DragonCon.



Oh, and to Seanna, I'm sorry I miscommunicated.  I did not mean to imply
that bisexuality precluded monogamy.  This is not remotely true, and I'm
aware of that.  It wasn't even in my head when I wrote that post on love
and sex.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"Be kind to animals.  Kiss a football player."

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Mirror Sheilds/Need on Battlefield/and other misc. things.
Message-ID: <199609050120.SAA02131-+AT+-inreach.com>

At 07:58 9/2/96 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Catwoman wrote:
>> The mirror is cast over the
>> trainee so that anything they project comes right back at them, so they
>> understand what they're doing. Keth adapted it into a real magical sheild
>> for Idra's evil brother's mages <darn those Rethwellen names, was it
>> Ragathar? Ramrod? Rowlf?> to keep them from attacking. Any attack they made
>> would end up right back in their faces, even spells to find the weak point
>> of the spell.
>I wonder how you break it down? Shield yourself to a fare-thee-well and
>just slam at it until enough power leaks through the reflecting to smash
>it? Those kind of things are supposed to be very nasty to break from the
>inside.. They might even cut you off from the nodes so you couldn't use 
>pure node-power to break them. 
>Hmmm, one thing to try might be to set up your own reflecting shield 
>around you (reflecting out) and set up a bounce-back effect - you could
>keep feeding power into it until -something- had to give. The advantage
>of this method would be that you don't need to feed all the power in,
>in just one burst, it could build up like shaking a fizzy bottle.

Hmm...according to Keth, (Oathbreakers, p. 250) there are two ways to break
the spell, "from the outside, or to build up such pressure *inside* that the
spell can't contain it." I 'spose if you gave out one HUGE burst of power,
that would break the spell, but then you'd be basically worthless for
anything else, so what would be the point, eh?


>Re Need wanting Kero / Kethry to protect every woman on the battleground:
>I doubt even Need is going to try to tear them into umpteen pieces (ie
>rescue every woman, at once - heck, it'd probably drive the poor blade
>schizophrenic). More callously perhaps, by the time the need arose, it
>might already be too late (eg woman fighter is disarmed, but is run through
>a moment later - and we know Need's not so insistant for post-mortem 
>revenge).

This is in Oathbreakers too <see there Kory? I am reading! Re-reading to be
precise. :) )> Keth was musing about Need's pull being fainter and fainter,
even with all those women dying around her on the battlefield...

<to Sewen> "' Need's muted down since she nearly got us both killed; I
hardly even feel her on the battlefield, with women fighting and dying all
around. I don't talk about her, much, but I think she's been changing. I
think she's managed to become a little more capable of distinguishing *real*
troubles that only Tarma and I can take care of." (p. 88)

So, sounds like Need finally got some common sence there. I also noticed
when Need was passed to Elspeth, she didn't pull Elspeth out on wild "save
the lady!" causes. Granted, she woke up shortly after Elspeth took her, but
she didn't pull on Elspeth as much as she did on Kero. Or is that because
Kero was so darn subborn and Need hadn't adjusted to her new bearer?


Blessed be,

-Cat\/\/oman
catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
Lady In Green
Cat Person
Goddess of the Impatient
and *still* (as always) looking for a spiffy sig..



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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: "real" names
Message-ID: <199609050120.SAA02138-+AT+-inreach.com>

At 16:29 9/2/96 +0100, you wrote:
>"By knowing the real name, the birth name of someone, you can discover
>everything there is to know, if you are thorough and patient enough - you can
>even see every moment of their past life."
>I can't remember who said it, or thought it. I have a memory tickle 
>saying it was the gryphon, T-thingy. If I remember, I'll try and check
tonight, 
>although my stepson and girlfriend arrive today for a holiday, so I
>make no promises.

I know that this concept was a HUGE part of learning magic in Ursela K. Le
Guin's Earthsea Cycle. Everyone had a name until they hit 13 or something,
then they picked a usename and a sorcerer picked for them a True Name, which
was known only to the person and the sorcerer. You told NO ONE ('cept maybe
a wife or someone you trusted) your True Name, for that name was the way to
control you. I can't remember the exact concept, I'll have to go back and
read Wizard of Earthsea again.

>"Anyone could be broken, and no mage had gotten to the Master level without
>learning the patience it took to break someone and subvert them." 
>thought by Quentin, around the time Elspeth shows up and surprises him 
>somewhat - what with her major mage gift, Gwenna *and* Need. But, my point,
>Quentin's thought implies (to me) that it's something every Master has
>actually done, including  sweet, cuddly, golden-girl Keth (she was a Master 
>wasn't she?)?

No, I think Quentin only ment that you have to have a great deal of patience
to reach Master class and above. Think about some of those spells we have
seen...they take a great deal of time, and you don't always know if/when
they will work. Takes a lot more patients than I, Goddess of the Impatient,
have! 

I don't think its a class at your friendly neighborhood mage school ("Hey,
wanna go get lunch?" "Nah, I can't I've got Human Subversion 1A. Can't miss
it."), he just means that magery takes patience.

Blessed be,

-Cat\/\/oman
catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com
Lady In Green
Cat Person
Goddess of the Impatient
and *still* (as always) looking for a spiffy sig..



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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:16:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
To: list lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Book recs/release dates/book returns/silliness
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960903150820.29677A-100000-+AT+-wabash.iac.net>



Lady Sophia recommended _The Golden Compass_ which I heartily second!! 
Intriguing alternate world where magic works and everyone is born with a 
daemon which takes the shape of an animal (supposed to be representative 
of its owner). Second book is supposed to be out before Christmas. And I 
imagine that's when _The Golden Compass_ will be out in paperback.
*****************************************************************

The ever Gracious Lilac Fairy asked about reading Elizabeth Willey. Yes 
Yes, read _A Well-Favored Man_ (or is that Flavored? *Naughty grin to my 
High Priestess*) first. I think that then _A Sorcerer and a Gentleman_ will 
make more sense. Dewar & Josquin *drool*
*******************************************

Lady Thess asked about getting anime. Some video stores rent it. I 
actually found some at a Blockbuster and a local comic shop sells and 
rents anime tapes. I know that I get a couple of mags like Animerica and 
Animoto that carry all sorts of ads. 
******************************

Kimbella asked why I recommended looking for Firerose in paperback in 
October if its release date is November. It's because publishers often 
get books especially paperbacks out sooner than the official release 
date. I've already started getting books that have October dates.

And according to my wholesaler Storm Breaking is still NYR (bookspeak for 
Not Yet Recieved). I asked and they said the publisher hasn't assigned an 
official release date. So I imagine that it will be out later this month. 
Didn't Danya mention that her ARC of it said Sept. 23? 
*****************************************

And to answer the question about why booksellers don't sell old books to
used bookstores (careful, this has a high boredom factor unless you're
interested in the book industry!) Have you ever sold books to a used
bookstore?  They usually offer something like a quarter of the cover
price. I get my books at a 40% discount and receive 50% credit when I
return them (I lose 10% as a restocking fee :<) So I'd lose money selling
to a used bookstore. And unfortunately, I often need the credit from
returns to pay my book bills (nothin' like livin' on the edge<G>). And of
course there's the time factor. Much easier to strip off covers, sort,
count and ship them off than to fill boxes of whole copies and cart them
around town to used booksellers. 

'though to be honest, it still makes me cringe when I strip books to 
return them.
**********************************************************

Somone mentioned willowbark tea smelling icky. Does it reek the way 
valerian tea does? My SO kindly refers to my valerian tea as sweatsock 
broth. A gross but accurate description of the smell and taste I think =)
***************************************************

Lady Wildcat (welcome splash), I'm midwesterner. I live close to Cincinnati, 
OH. Where's Earlham?
***************************

And on a totally silly note, my newly annointed High Priestess Jenna and 
I are looking for a serving boy/girl. Must be able to bake chocolate chip 
cookies, rub feet and not complain about scrubbing the turtles in my pond 
*silly grin* 'though if certain someones keep posting one-liners, I may 
just sentence the guilty parties to turtle scrubbing *evil grin* An 
adequate incentive to learn how to braid, I do believe. >;)

			Undine

"Why does everyone run towards a blood-curdling scream?" mumbled the 
Senior Wrangler. --Pterry


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Date:        Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:19:12 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Power of...what?
Message-ID:  <04SEP96.21945654.0230.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Okay, although I really like the Indigo Girls <required by law, dontcha
know -- it's on the test (WEG)>, I can't fathom how "Power of Two" is a
good theme song for Bedlam Bards.

There are still THREE of them, right?

I'm really curious to hear why whoever posted that felt that way.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"Life's too short, babe
 Time is flying
 I'm looking for baggage that goes with mine."
      --"La Vie Boheme" RENT

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:18:30 -0400
From: David Snyder <khethael-+AT+-bridge.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kayla's Potential/
Message-ID: <199609050118.VAA22028-+AT+-brickell.bridge.net>

At 04:57 AM 9/4/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Er... how many people think that Kayla's [_Bedlam Bards_] potential for
>actual heaing was stronger than Elizabet's, just that Elizabet was more
>trained?
***********
Well, the way I read it, it seems to me that nesting measuring cups make a
good analogy.  Elizabet was a beautifuly made, wooden, hand carved teaspoon
, and Kayla was a plastic, mass-produced 1/3 cup spoon.  (one is more
polished, the other has more potential to hold stuff, but is real rough.)

Can you tell that the switch to sleeping at night hasn't quite taken effect
yet? I'm babbling more inanities (sp?) than usual.  Ye gods and little
fishes, I just started the new job yesterday, and the guy who was there
before me did lots of book buying and no inventory for TWO years, so guess
who's doing it all alone?  I think I must be a masochist.  Oh, well, at
least I can listen to my music by myself, while I try not to read every book
I enter into the computer.

***********
Jake, I personally started my comic book reading with Elfquest, and I have
them all in comic book form through Kings of the Broken Wheel, the third
story/series, but when it branched out, I was already reading Sandman, and
didn't have the money to continue.  Try out the first story line, I can't
remember the name of it, but try it, I think you'll like it, it's fun.  

**********
I can't believe it's my second day on the job and I haven't ordered any
books yet.  Especially the new Misty!  AAARGH, it may be another two weeks
before inventory is done enough to learn to order, hari kari is
looking....really painful right now.  That's my OBMisty for the day.  Oh well.
Lady Thessaly           "It's not enough to count the stars, you have to
Thesseldown              know them by Name."
Goddess of Nomenclature       Meg: A Wind in the Door
MKGC, Lady In Green           
     


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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Welcome!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.960904213111.3786A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

	Welcome, Salutations, and a tired pounce to all newbies; Lara of 
Silverwoods, Lady Wildcat (like the name, want to join the Cat People?). 
A tired pounce, because I just got back from karate class. 
	Does anyone in the DC/MD/VA area know for sure if SB is out? 
(i.e. has anyone seen it yet?). Also, Heather, with those Capital 
Letters, you are In Danger of starting to Be Like Lady Treesa. ;) 

					Love,
					   Jaguar



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