MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 820

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: /Camp Misty List/
	by Sean <herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu>
  2) Re: Bippy
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  3) Ohhhh.... okay, ppl in the BA/WC
	by Morgana <morgana-+AT+-armory.com>
  4) Re: Braid (Gwena/various quotes/Treesa/hello/Cats/)
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
  5) Dragon Con
	by Pat Armetta <parmetta-+AT+-kent.edu>
  6) Re: popping up once more (fluff)
	by Bob Dietel <dietelb-+AT+-nova.edmonds.wednet.edu>
  7) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
  8) Re: Dragon Con
	by Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
  9) Re: Mage Storms in RL?
	by Lisa Prior <lprior-+AT+-geocities.com>
 10) twisted dads
	by Lisa Prior <lprior-+AT+-geocities.com>
 11) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
 12) FAQ/WEB PAGES
	by "Ian Macdonald (CS)" <ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk>
 13) Braid: Misty's males/Julie's ?/Stuff
	by Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 14) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
 15) Re: twisted dads
	by Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
 16) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (Gar & Julie McLaughlin)
 17) Re: Mage Storms in RL?
	by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (Gar & Julie McLaughlin)
 18) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
 19) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
 20) T&K joined to Valdemar
	by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
 21) timeline/Tayledras
	by Khenta Blaufalk <bhanel-+AT+-aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
 22) Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
	by Carolyn Taylor <ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net>
 23) Re: twisted dads
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
 24) Re: Braid (Gwena/various quotes/Treesa/hello/Cats/)
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 25) Re: Lady Treesa/bad guy/cast
	by Turtlewm-+AT+-aol.com
 26) Battlesteeds/Mage-War/3R's
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean <herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: /Camp Misty List/
Message-ID: <199609101522.IAA21872-+AT+-popserver4.Stanford.EDU>

At 03:01 PM 9/10/96 +0100, you wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, catwoman wrote:
>
>> >If anybody ever goes to visit Yosemite, make sure to tell me, and then 
>> >maybe I would be able to meet you! 
>> 
>> Lady Becky, you aren't that alone! :) I live in Lodi, about 2 hours
>> southeast of you! So don't go moping about being alone in the middle of
>> nowhere on the West Coast, if you think Yosemite is in the middle of
>> nowhere, you've never been to Lodi! :)
>
>	I don't live in Yosemite, I live in Fresno, but I figure that 
>anyone coming to see Yosemite will probably have to pass through (or at 
>least near) Fresno. Wow! I didn't know anyone was so close! Anyone else 
>live around here?

Well, I don't live right in the area...but I live in Palo Alto which is only
a couple of hours away. (If I remember correctly from all the drives to L.A.
it is about 3-3 1/2 hours away ?)  It seems there are more of us on the west
coast than I expected!

Sean
Labeling me an egomaniac is just their sorry attempt to dethrone me as king
of the world.
:-)


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:34:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bippy
Message-ID: <199609101534.QAA22213-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Okay, for those who _really_ wanted to know...

My group entered the Silly Team Competition at EuroGenCon this year, and
the scenario was a little piece of insanity called 'Polymorphing Power Paladins'
(and I think we can all see where this comes from, can we not?). One portion
of the scenario required the construction of a play, with one of three titles.
The title we chose was "A Mimic at the Antiques Road Show"

Now, for those of you outside the UK, I should explain that the Antiques Road
Show is in fact a television show which holds sessions where people can come
along and bring that piece of tat that Auntie Sybil left them, and find out
whether it's really worth thousands of pounds or whether it really _is_ just
a tasteless piece of junk. However, our group decided that the PPPaladins, 
being American, wouldn't have the first idea about this ...

.... so the play wound up being about a mime who attempted to steal old cars.
Naturally he had to be named Bippy.

Actually this was one of the saner parts of the scenario. Really. :)


ObMisty: none whatsoever, I'm afraid :)

Mel


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Morgana <morgana-+AT+-armory.com>
To: mailinglist Lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Ohhhh.... okay, ppl in the BA/WC
Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.91.960910082401.29818B-100000-+AT+-deepthought.armory.com>

Okay... I'm in Santa Cruz, Lady Becky's in Fresno, Sean is in Palo 
Alto<where I have to go for my medicals>, Lady Chrysania <may or may not> 
be in Oakland, and Catwoman in Yosemitie, oh yah, and Danya + munchin 
down in smogy LA. :) Hm..... when's the next anime con? Good place to 
meet. :)
Hm... OBmisty.... well..... okay, Going back to Talia's begining Hereld 
years, anyone wonder what Sherrill looked like back when she fought like 
crazy to keep from taking a bath? <yea, I'm desperate, I'm still asleep. :>


	Morgana, Goddess of Things Unseen
		 Student of the hectic lifestyle
		 And fishy elf.

** I told the priest - Don't count on any second coming. God got his a** 
kicked the first time he came down her slumming. He had the balls to 
come, the gall to die and then forgive us - No, I don't wonder why, I 
wonder what he thought it would get us..... **



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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:43:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid (Gwena/various quotes/Treesa/hello/Cats/)
Message-ID: <199609101543.AA188630222-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>

> 
> I have a question, along this whole Gwenna track thingie.  Gwenna was 
> grove born, and there was a big deal made of how special and odd that 
> was, and then Talia and Elspeth forgot.
> 
> Why?
> 
> It seemed as though there was supposed to be some meaning to that, 
> but later on, when the PC's found out that Gwenna was Grove born, 
> they basically said "Huh, imagine that," shrugged, and went on with 
> their lives.  Why the big mystery?  Is there something I'm missing?
 
Here's my $.02....The only reason I can think of for Gwena's being GB is
that Elspeht was the first of the new Herald-Mages and therefore needed a
"special" Companion.  But, when everyone finds out about Gwena's true
nature, I don't understand why nothing more was said or explained about it. 
As for Gwena's attitude, I don't like it much, either.

Nina

P.S.... As for DragonCon, I'd love to go.  Unfortunately, my financial and
school situations won't let me.  Maybe next time.

 


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Armetta <parmetta-+AT+-kent.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Dragon Con
Message-ID: <199609101600.MAA200231-+AT+-kent.edu>

Heyla, 
I'll be there, any other mercs.  By the way...how many mercs does it
take to light a candle... curiosity demands an answer so I can gather
my troops for those long dark nights.<BBG> ;-)

Zhai'helleva,
Captain Ma'ren'kar
-- 
Pat Armetta                                                                   
Ma'ren'kar shena Vyusher'edras                                                
Guild Captain - Mercenaries Guild                                             
parmetta-+AT+-kent.edu                                                             
http://phoenix.kent.edu/~parmetta                                             

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:05:47 -0700
From: Bob Dietel <dietelb-+AT+-nova.edmonds.wednet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: popping up once more (fluff)
Message-ID: <323591DB.4C82-+AT+-edmonds.wednet.edu>

Kimberly wrote:
> 
> >Kimbella are you a Pinky & the Brain fan too? Narf!!
> 
> *laugh* I don't come out into the light of the TV often enough to be a fan
> of much, I'm afraid *sheepish look* But it was running through my head, so
> I put it down *gryn*


...Pinky and the Brain!!!???  *lightbulb, many watts' worth flashing on
over ancient's forehead*  Oh HO, so THAT's where Karen got the name for
her two newest cats from--only she's transmogrified the names just a
teensy bit, to wit:  Pinky and the BrainMUFFIN... *shakes head in
resignation*  But they're such CUTE kitties!...

> **********************************************************************
>
> ...I'll haunt the Waldenbooks for another two weeks. *gryn*...
> 
> **********************************************************************

I'm really glad I'll not be the ONLY one togged out in a drawsheet
picketing in front of Walden and BDalton *weg*

> **********************************************************************
>
> ...be strpped, too. Sigh. What a waste... but if they get full credit, I
> suppose it's smarter to strip them. Grrr.

Actually, it's not QUITE the waste one might think:  most publishers do
pack the strippees off to the pulp mill, and thus NEW books come to life
from the old--eventually.

> *******************************************************************
> **********************************************************************

>... But er... lemme take a guess? maybe Misty wrote it before, stuck it in a
> completely no-name magazine, and what you have is a reprint? 

YES, quite so, and MZB's anthology has gone through several printings as
well.  *no sheepishness allowed!*  *g*
> *****************************************************************
Allergies?  Allergies?  In a world full of Seldane, I'm always amazed at
how many folk still suffer.  It was the THIRD course of de-sensitization
injections that finally turned the tide for me.  I can now blissfully
drive through the country, green fields ablaze with grass happily
pollinating, and suffer only an occasional twinge--instead of a quick
trip to the emergency room.  SO wonderful!

Take care!
   --Darktears

-- 


________________________________________________________________________
   Bob Dietel -- CLIP/MDHS                          
   dietelb-+AT+-edmonds.wednet.edu
   206.670.7311x5418; fax 206.670.7655             
   6002--168th St SW, Lynnwood, WA  98037-2799

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:07:47 -0600
From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <MailDrop1.1.960910110747-+AT+-eng-dyn-13.baylor.edu>

If I may toss in my two cents (chink, chink) on this subject, I don't think 
Florian is anybody we've seen yet.  (Boy, I really hope there's no one out there 
who hasn't read Winds of Fury :).  I think he's one of the many Heralds who died 
relatively early in his career.  (Remember the First Year Mantra:  More than 
half of all Heralds never see old age.)

Sounds like he was cute, though.  <gryn>  (Always been a sucker for dark hair 
and eyes.)  Oh, speaking of that, he couldn't be Tashir.  Tashir was a dead 
ringer for Tylendel, if you'll remember, who had *blond* hair.

Well, have to go write about Dryden and Milton.  

-Icewolf


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine Osborne <cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Dragon Con
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.960910124950.26502B-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Pat Armetta wrote:

> I'll be there, any other mercs.  By the way...how many mercs does it
> take to light a candle... curiosity demands an answer so I can gather
> my troops for those long dark nights.<BBG> ;-)

Can you even ask? ;)

> Zhai'helleva,
> Captain Ma'ren'kar

<bows> Greetings, Captain. I don't believe we've met?

Bright Blessings,
Captain Sundancer

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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 17:14:42 -0700
From: Lisa Prior <lprior-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mage Storms in RL?
Message-ID: <3234B2F2.5BEA-+AT+-geocities.com>

Jaguar wrote:
> 
>                            Postage paid by:
>                                [Image]
>                              Planet Direct
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>         that something weird is happening to the weather? Now, I know we
> usually get a hurricane or something around DC, anyone in the DC area
> knows about the yearly Big Storm. So what is up with this? For anyone not
> up on what's happening on the East Coast of the US, we had that huge
> snowstorm over the winter, then a mild summer  (didn't get above 90 all
> August) and now this hurricane stuff! Two hurricanes in as many weeks?
> What is going on here?
>         Sorry for the off-topic post, but the floods are getting to me.
> 
>                                         Love,
>                                            Jaguar
> Where are you living?  Up here in New Hampshire we have had at leastone week of over 90 days.  There were some in June and a bunch in August.
>  "I went to a party with my sister Marylin, once. Lot of nice,
> middle-class people, if you listened carefully you could almost hear the
> lives crashing...an earnest accountant asked me what I did for a living, I
> said nothing. He said everybody does something, and I told him I killed
> people. Never got asked back." --Kermit, KF:TLC

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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 17:29:38 PDT
From: Lisa Prior <lprior-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: twisted dads
Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.007072696f7220204234463530303031-+AT+-MAPI.to.RFC822>

Just a little note here.  All the questions about Misty having bad or just 
out of it fathers in her stories.

I took an impartial (well mostly) poll of all my friends and found that 
Misty's hit them on the head.  Most of the people I know have either 
had abusive (and I don't mean just verbal), weak or just not there dads. 
She is just reflecting what is normal for society.  Today we like to think 
that bad parenting is a sign of the times but I have talked with my 
mother and grandmother and some of their friends, it was just a 
common fifty to a hundred years ago.  Dads aren't the only one but it's 
sad to say they tend by be worse.  I know I sound like I'm preaching 
but Misty's stuff isn't just about how a character develops, she also 
shows us the dark side of the world around us.  I know some of her 
work seems to be less engrossing than others but I will read everything 
I can get my hands on because of her punches in the gut, about the 
real problems out there for as long as we have been upright monkeys.

I'll go away now.  I have made my hands shake with this little sermon.

Sorry folks,

Lisa

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:07:55 -0700
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <199609101707.KAA29132-+AT+-latimes.com>

At 05:49 PM 9/10/96 +0100, Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU wrote:

I think he's one of the many Heralds who died 
>relatively early in his career.  (Remember the First Year Mantra:  More than 
>half of all Heralds never see old age.)

Oh, he's young all right.  But he's also dang familiar and 


*** POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING FOR SB ***

Vanyel definitely seems to know him.

>Sounds like he was cute, though.  <gryn>  (Always been a sucker for dark hair 
>and eyes.)  

Oh, that he is!  We get a definitely cute description in SB.

>Oh, speaking of that, he couldn't be Tashir.  Tashir was a dead 
>ringer for Tylendel, if you'll remember, who had *blond* hair.

Well, heck.  Who was a young, male imp of a Herald who maybe died young who
was friendly with Vanyel?

Danya


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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:20:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Ian Macdonald (CS)" <ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: FAQ/WEB PAGES
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960909122308.377A-100000-+AT+-oathbound.ed.ac.uk>

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 kirchfa-+AT+-azstarnet.com wrote:

> (Hey, Jake, are you doing the FAQ? If this isn't in there, it oughta be - this
> just keeps coming up :))
> 

If there it isn't in the faq, then it is available from the lackey web pages

	http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ism/lackey

which also hosts the vanyel fan club web pages

Ian
< all of a sudden a whisper of sound occurs then the sound of a body hitting 
 a keyboard. "Good thing we had darts", one of the white coated men said to 
 the other as they dragged ian's body from the terminal.>  
<At home where the men in white coats can't get him> < ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk >


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Le destin des fees <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid: Misty's males/Julie's ?/Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960910134824.19787A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Lady Silvermoon wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Cat People/dangerous liaisons/

>>>Not like Skywise?  Well it's a matter of opinion,  but everyone I know
loves Skywise.  Cutter was okay.  I didn't really have a fave EQ character.
One Eye was the closest to fave I guess.  I liked them all except Winnowill
and Rayek.<<<

How could you not *adore* Winnowill!  She was fabulous!  What style, what
elan!  How silkily evil!  Besides, she gave us Tyldak, who was oddly sexy
(I really empathized with Dewstar, or whatever the little drip's name
was).

-----EOM

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Wynd wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re:New Game/RPGs

>>>I still think Sean Connery would make the BEST Alberich, any one agree?
I mean they'd have to tie him up and threaten him to get him to do it
but...wouldn't it be cool?<<<

Only if you think that Alberich is fat and balding and effusively
over-the-top.  I always thought of him as lean, full-haired, and very
understated.  He would need an actor with a very spare, no-frills style,
which Connery couldn't manage, even if they *did* tie him up and threaten
him.


-----EOM

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Amy wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Dangerous Liasions and more

>>>ObMisty:  Just a curiosity you might be able to speculate on, 
Heather.  In (I think, all my books are in Illinois) Storm Rising, 
Karal is embarassed by a "physical respose" to Kero at one point.  
Perhaps he could develop into a sexually confident main character?<<<

My own thought is that Karal's "embarassment" may be a projection of
Misty's attitude.  Really, read in a certain way, the whole scene could be
taken as an emasculation scene.  Karal has a sexual response to a powerful
woman who then proceeds to exercise her superior strength in a way that
makes him "incapable" of responding to her in that way again.

-----EOM

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Ivy wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re[2]: B5, copyright/kelts/father-figures in misty's books
     
>>>Hmmmm.  Selenay's dad seemed all right, of course he was a Herald, so 
he'd have to be. --Kaatje<<<

The only problem with this is that Selenay's dad is not a character in any
of the books.  All we have is reports of him in a very few, isolated
passages.

>>>Did Treesa seem sexually abusive?  I was never clear on that and if
that was a contributing factor to his later sexual preferences.  Any
thoughts?<<<

Several.  First, there is no clinical evidence AFAIK indicating a strong
correllation between sexual abuse by an opposite-sex parent and a same-sex
sexual orientation.  In fact, I strongly doubt that the percentages of
children who suffered MOTOS sexual abuse would be significantly different
if you seperated it by gay/lesbian and straight identity.  This is one of
the common myths that has grown up about homosexuality from the
prevailing view of homosexuality as a psychological deviancy: that it is
a reaction to some psychological trauma.  Fortnately, this view is
changing in the Psych professions (slowly, and sporadically), but it
continues to prevail in the popular arena.

-----EOM

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Julie wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: Re: just some questions

>>>Anyway, we're hoping you folks can settle an arguement. In Storm
Rising, someone said that Valdemar was being considered by the Star-Eyed
as one big clan. Does this mean the people of Valdemar can have
battlesteeds? I say no, he says yes. Help!<<<

I think that in the context of the conversation you mention, the "one big
clan" thing was not claiming that the Star-Eyed saw Valdemar as a
*Shin'a'in* clan, but rather that she saw it as a unity (rather than a
confederation).  Given this interpretation, I think that answer is
clearly, no, Valdemar could not have battlesteeds, unless they produced
their own.  Besides, remember that even for Shin'a'in, there are severe
limitations on who can and cannot have battlesteeds, and where they can
keep them (Stallions aren't allowed to leave the plains, etc.)

>>>Last Question: I'm working on my Taylendras persona but I dont know
what names have been choosen already. Is there a list somewhere?<<<

As far as I know, there isn't.  Most people just propose one and ask "Is
it taken?"  If no-one objects, they go with it.  The only titles that are
regulated are Godheads, which must be annointed by Lady Thessa.

-----EOM

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Catherine wrote:

BOM>>>Subject: re: sexy men :)

>>>It just occured to me that Amberdrake might fit the 
"unapologetically-sexual-strong-nice-hero" type we've been desperately 
searching for in Misty's books. AFAIK, he's basically a 1 or 2 on the 
Kinsey scale, which means he doesn't fit the gay-guy mold either. And 
he's not a Herald.<<<

I am not sure that I would consider Amberdrake "unapologetically sexual."
His profession is an apology for much of his sexual behavior, along the
lines of "it isn't really sex, it is just a job."  Actually, though, we do
find some strong, sexual males in the MageWar books: the griffons.  Skan
and Aubry(?) are presented as laudable characters who are undeniably
sexual in a positive female-oriented way.  Of course, they are not threats
to human women (Misty?), so they do sort of feed Heather's original thesis
that Misty does not write male characters whose sexuality might impinge on
her own.  Come to think of it, that might also explain why she doesn't
write a strong, single, lesbian character.  Hmmmmm.


May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:50:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <199609101750.AA210337806-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>

First, congratulations on the birth of your baby.  Secondly, thanks for
adding to my already soaring curiosity about SB.  Now I have to go home are
reread LHM (g).  At least I was able to put an early request in  for the
book at my library--they usually have whatever books I'm interested in
before the local bookstores. 

Nina

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:16:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Clarissa Smith/Claris Boii <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: twisted dads
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960910131117.20588C-100000-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Lisa Prior wrote:

> Just a little note here.  All the questions about Misty having bad or just 
> out of it fathers in her stories.
> 
> I took an impartial (well mostly) poll of all my friends and found that 
> Misty's hit them on the head.  Most of the people I know have either 
> had abusive (and I don't mean just verbal), weak or just not there dads. 
> She is just reflecting what is normal for society.  Today we like to think 

Um, OK, let me say 3 things here:
1) Heather's original statement was a very literate and intelligent
summation of my offhand remark about mIsty not having any of those sexy
dangerous guys I like so much...thank you, m'dear...(NO< that wasn't
patronizing, I just talk that way)
2) I think Lisa's probably overgeneralizing here
3)In my case, though, she's absolutely right, so I can't make any
comment... ;) What can I say??  Anyway, I think probably both viewpoints
have some validity and--let me make another provoking statement--most
authors, and I include myself here, have a certain story they want told,
and they will tend to tell it over and over again.  (For that matter, most
readers have a certain storyline they like to read, and they'll read it
over and over again...) Even if it's a totally subconscious thing.

OH YEAH< Nice Work Danya!!!! (((((((((((Danya)))))))))))

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:34:28 -0400
From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (Gar & Julie McLaughlin)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <v01530500ae5b2b91553c-+AT+-[204.253.92.107]>

Linda Malcor wrote on9/10 -+AT+- 6:46pm:
>
>I think he's one of the many Heralds who died
>>relatively early in his career.  (Remember the First Year Mantra:  More than
>>half of all Heralds never see old age.)
>
>Oh, he's young all right.  But he's also dang familiar and
>
>
>*** POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING FOR SB ***
>
>Vanyel definitely seems to know him.
>
>>Sounds like he was cute, though.  <gryn>  (Always been a sucker for dark hair
>>and eyes.)
>
>Oh, that he is!  We get a definitely cute description in SB.
>
>>Oh, speaking of that, he couldn't be Tashir.  Tashir was a dead
>>ringer for Tylendel, if you'll remember, who had *blond* hair.
>
>Well, heck.  Who was a young, male imp of a Herald who maybe died young who
>was friendly with Vanyel?
>

>
Could he be Mardic? He was a good friend of Vanyel and Tylendel, and one of
Savil's students. He was killed young, with his lifebonded. I think they
called fire on themselves to save a town in one of the first attacks of one
of the mage's that Vanyel eventually killed. If I remeber right, HE had
brown hair and eyes, and was very friendly. Also, it seems to me he would
be given another chance to serve since he was killed so young. He was also
a mage, just like Florian. Possible?

Julie



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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:45:25 -0400
From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (Gar & Julie McLaughlin)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Mage Storms in RL?
Message-ID: <v01530501ae5b2e48f856-+AT+-[204.253.92.108]>

>On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Jaguar wrote:
>
>>       that something weird is happening to the weather? Now, I know we
>> usually get a hurricane or something around DC, anyone in the DC area
>> knows about the yearly Big Storm. So what is up with this? For anyone not
>> up on what's happening on the East Coast of the US, we had that huge
>> snowstorm over the winter, then a mild summer  (didn't get above 90 all
>> August) and now this hurricane stuff! Two hurricanes in as many weeks?
>> What is going on here?
>
>
I have to admit the weather has been a bit unusual. I live in upstate New
York, and I know its been very strange for the past few YEARS! 13 feet of
snow in winter and then having a drought in summer just doesnt make sense!
We only had a week of 90's this year, which is really odd. Our Farmers our
going nuts. Then when we do get rain, its comes with massive thunderstorms.
Already had two tornado's this year, where we are NOT supposed to have
them! I hope we're not about to have another Ice age! Looks like the world
wide climate is going through a change. Hope its not permanent!

Julie



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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:00:18 -0600
From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <MailDrop1.1.960910140018-+AT+-eng-dyn-13.baylor.edu>

*Shriek of fury and frustration*

Why can I not get my hands on this book?!  Every place I talk to tells me 
October!!!!!

-Icewolf (who just KNOWS you all wanted to know these little things)


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.960910151950.3636A-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Danya wrote:

> Well, heck.  Who was a young, male imp of a Herald who maybe died young who
> was friendly with Vanyel?
> 
	I still say it was Randale. Or maybe it was Trevan. One of the two. 
But I listed all my evidence in the last post, so this'll have to be a 
one-liner. Okay, two liner, Okay, THREE-liner! Ha! :)

					Love,
					   Jaguar

 "I went to a party with my sister Marylin, once. Lot of nice,
middle-class people, if you listened carefully you could almost hear the
lives crashing...an earnest accountant asked me what I did for a living, I
said nothing. He said everybody does something, and I told him I killed
people. Never got asked back." --Kermit, KF:TLC	


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:32:38 -0700
From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: T&K joined to Valdemar
Message-ID: <w5PNywHqhNnK088yn-+AT+-cet.com>

On the question of when Misty decided to join the Tarma & Kethry 
series to the Valdemar series, I checked the copywrite date of
Oathbound and it was copywrited 1988. And on page 19 of my copy
of Oathbound (SFBC V & H) we find the following; 
    "That would be-Valdemar, no?" in the discussion on types of
magic. 
Anyway I'd say that Misty intended the two series to cross as 
early as 1988! Any earlier dates?

David Tiffany, Galled by typos

Kleptomaniac, n. A rich thief.
                            -Ambrose Bierce


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:37:09 +0200 (METDST)
From: Khenta Blaufalk <bhanel-+AT+-aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
To: Misty mail <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: timeline/Tayledras
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960910210936.9184F-100000-+AT+-aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

Korendil wrote:

>Really? I'd doubt that...Gwena was Grove-Born, and she chose the night he 
>Manifested. Elspeth was 14 at the time. 'twas only 10 years later that 
>WoFate takes place. You can't expect too much from a 10 year old, even an 
>angelic one.

Sorry if this sounds nitpicking, but Elspeth is 26 by the time of 
WoFate/WoChange. This _is_ from the book (WoChange, right at the 
beginning): "Elspeth being a survivor of one-thousand-and-one court 
ceremonies in her 26 years of life" (quoting from memory, so don't expect 
accuracy ;) ).
So, regarding your timeline, was she born 2 years earlier or do the 
MageWinds take place 2 years later? 
=====================================================================
Jaguar wrote:

>	I get the idea that Misty didn't really think it all out as a 
>working society when she created the Shin'a'in. For that matter, I don't 
>think the Tayledras are that well thought out, either. Sure, they may be 
>able to hunt for meat and such (though I'm not sure I'd want to eat it if 
>it came from anywhere near the Uncleansed Lands!), but we never see any 
>sign of any sort of food garden! What do they do, eat the flowers? Oh 
>well...at this rate, all these on-topic posts should more than make up 
>for that off-topic weather query. :)

Uhm, everything the Tayledras need for food grows in the Vales, IMO. And 
they even have different sections to simulate the different seasons (to 
give the plants a rest?); I don't remember right now where I got that, 
but there was a reference to the "fall section" of a Vale, so I suppose 
there must sections for the other seasons as well. Hmm, maybe in WoFate, 
possibly the first chapters on Darkwind.

But there must be a lot of trade. Where do they get cloth and dye, or 
books, for that matter? Beads and crystals for their jewelry?  I imagine 
that there is lively trade with the Outland in general via the Shin'a'in 
and we just haven't heard about it. At least that's what I've figured 
out, and my Tayledras persona will be seeing a bit of that (eventually, 
when I get around to write this darn story :) ).


Walk in beauty

Khenta Blaufalk aka Skyfire & Aar
Goddess of Incomplete Vocabulary and Garbled Grammar 
===================================================================
singing - to the near and far
singing - to raise the morning star
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 12:29 PDT
From: Carolyn Taylor <ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net
Subject: Re: Florian's Heraldic identity
Message-ID: <m0v0YUe-0004d1C-+AT+-bmi.bmi.net>

At 08:28 PM 9/10/96 +0100, Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU wrote:
>*Shriek of fury and frustration*
>
>Why can I not get my hands on this book?!  Every place I talk to tells me 
>October!!!!!
>
>-Icewolf (who just KNOWS you all wanted to know these little things)
>
>
If you're talking about Storm Breaking, Firebird has it and is shipping. I
just talked to them.

Carolyn


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:44:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: twisted dads
Message-ID: <199609101944.AA275124694-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>

I agree that most paternal characters are somewhat less than admirable. 
But, in AOTQ, Sherrill describes her family as close--in terms of physical
space on a fishing boat and  relationships (as far as I can remember).  No
apparent abusive men in her past.

Nina

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid (Gwena/various quotes/Treesa/hello/Cats/)
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960910123815.82687A-100000-+AT+-homer19.u.washington.edu>



On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Barbara J. Webb wrote:

> I have a question, along this whole Gwenna track thingie.  Gwenna was
> grove born, and there was a big deal made of how special and odd that
> was, and then Talia and Elspeth forgot.
>
> Why?
>
> It seemed as though there was supposed to be some meaning to that,
> but later on, when the PC's found out that Gwenna was Grove born,
> they basically said "Huh, imagine that," shrugged, and went on with
> their lives.  Why the big mystery?  Is there something I'm missing?

Actually, yes- Rolan *made* Talia forget, and I assume Gwena dids the same
to Elspeth.  In the scene where Talia finds Elspeth in the grove,, and
Elspeth tells her Gwena's name, she is puzzled.  She knows all the
unpaired Companions, and she realized that since there had never been a Gwena
among them, that Gwena was GB.  Then Rolan Looks at her, with a twinge of
regret, and she suddenly "remembers" Gwena as a shy young Companion who
had never chosen.  She has the feeling that she has forgotten somthing
important, but is more occupied with helping Elspeth and forgets her
feeling.  This occurs in the beginning of AFlight.  Remember, Rolan has
done this before- when he made her forget that he had chosen her until she
learned what the choosing meant.  I wonder if all the Companions can mess
with their Heralds' heads like this?

Raindancer
eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu
Herald, Ranger, Cat Person, EEPer, Kelt, and Generally Warped Individual
"Dubotchugh yIpummoH" (If it's in your way, knock it down)
       -Klingon Proverb



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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:35:58 -0400
From: Turtlewm-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lady Treesa/bad guy/cast
Message-ID: <960910163556_305355421-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>



<<   Good points.  Except Lord Withen was definitely abusive and the 
      "woman's place argument doesn't hold for the first born son.  Speaking 
      of Vanyel and abusive parents.  Did Treesa seem sexually abusive?  I 
      was never clear on that and if that was a contributing factor to his 
      later sexual preferences.  Any thoughts?>>

No..I don't think she was. At least when Van explained the flirting game to
Stef...he sounded like that was all it ever was...a flirting game.

How about Gary Oldman in Dracula? oofa! (or for that matter The Scarlet
Letter)

How about Demi Moore as Selenay?

Bobbi

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Battlesteeds/Mage-War/3R's
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960910155751.11852D-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: Gar & Julie McLaughlin <jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net>

> Anyway, we're hoping you folks can settle an arguement. In Storm Rising,
> someone said that Valdemar was being considered by the Star-Eyed as one big
> clan. Does this mean the people of Valdemar can have battlesteeds? I say
> no, he says yes. Help!

I say no.  The Tayledras are Clans, but they don't get battlesteeds.
Neither do k'Leyhsa (although they might have their own.  Clan Chief
Lionwind *did* bring his herds to White Gryphon).

> Next Question: Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is the Mage War list?

The mage war list is another mailing list that many of us are one.  It's
sort of a role-playing/group story thing.  If you want more info, check
out Jaguar's page http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen .  I forget the rest of
it for the Archives, so just look for a link that says MageWar.

=======================================================================
> From: catwoman <catwoman-+AT+-inreach.com>

> Here's something...practically every Herald who rides into Haven as a newly
> Chosen knows how to read. What if they don't? Are there remideal classes at
> the Collegium to catch everyone up?

Remember Sherrill didn't know how to read, write, or "figure" as they put
it, when she got to the Collegium.  And Alberich didn't even speak the
language!  So, I guess they do have the classes.


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"Each man builds his own garden, by what
Adept, and God of Procrastination| his heart says is true. And mine is so
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | very special to me, but it seems I can
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| share it with you." - Heather Alexander


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