MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 849

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Ecstasia, s'do whatever, 
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
  2) Re: The Cat People
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  3) SB SPOILERS BELOW!!!!/ escapism
	by aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
  4) re: s'do whatever,
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
  5) Re: Reality, RPGs, stuff
	by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Re: Welcome to TOIB NightShade
	by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Ecstasia
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
  8) Filk+writing/MageWar
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  9) Fantasy v. Life/Firesong human?/Last of Velgarth? SB spoiler
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: Andesha/Shin'a'in Male deity
	by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin)
 11) Re: OIB
	by "Jenna Wilson ~Stormcloud~" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
 12) Re: Andesha/Shin'a'in Male deity
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
 13) Re: Reality, RPGs, stuff
	by William L Pomeroy <Greyrose-+AT+-world.std.com>

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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:47:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ecstasia, s'do whatever, 
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.960927163817.104224A-100000-+AT+-homer23.u.washington.edu>



On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Catherine Osborne wrote:

> 
> Several of you sign off with something approximating s'do bhatha (I think 
> I'm missing several words and I know I spelled the ones I did get wrong; 
> sue me) Can someone tell me the translation and what language it's 
> written in? It's actually kind of important...
 
'S e do bheatha is a Celtic goodbye meaning "Life to you."  I know it's
Gaelic, but I'm not sure what form of Gaelic, Irish or Scots.  Kaatje
uses it & so do I.  I got it from Patricia Kennealy's Keltiad books (very
good.  Go read them.)

SB has finally made it to Seattle, but I spent all my money on textbooks
already. <sigh>  and I agree, Jodi Lee has really lost it this time. Karal
looks weird, and I won't even go in to the squid thing.

Zhai'helleva, 'S e do bheatha, & other nice things, 

Raindancer
eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu
Herald, Ranger, Cat Person, EEPer, Kelt, & High Queen of the Strange Ones
Who Dance In Treetops After Nightfall. (especially when there's a lunar
eclipse!!! Did anyone else watch it?)

 


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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:57:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Cat People
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960927195251.6842A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Sat, 28 Sep 1996, Mannaheim wrote:

> 	It's been about 3 months since I was here, and it looks like the 
> list has shrunk quite a bit!  Only 30 messages last night instead of 
> 120.  Ah well.  I'd like to know, are the Cat People still around?  If 
> they are, I'd like to join.  And also, are Lady Jaguar and Lady 'Reesa 
> still here?

Heyla Mannaheim!  Welcome back to the list!  And yes, we're (the Cat
People that is) still around.  Jag and 'Reesa are still around too.
Jag, not only did we keep getting new recruits for a while, but now
all our old members are comming back.  First Firemist, now Mannaheim. :)

Yes, the list has gotten a bit slow.  I think that everyone expended all
their energy for posting this summer.  Boy was it busy then! (Sure,
now that I've got unlimited free access to my mail, it slows down.
Sheesh. <g> )  Lots of people are just too busy with classes starting 
again to post much, I guess.


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"I looked across the battlefield, blood
Adept, and God of Procrastination| seeping from my wounds. My comrades, 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | they did never yield. For courage 
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| knows no bounds." - Heather Alexander      


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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 21:06:10 -0500
From: aw2-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: SB SPOILERS BELOW!!!!/ escapism
Message-ID: <v01540b00ae701d5122be-+AT+-[169.132.99.200]>

Tanks to the Git do toppings! *weg* I neer went awya, butt *hug* for hth
wellcome, it feels great to be posting again ::laugh::

'specially after people attack you ad homineum right before philosophy
class. Gack, I'm so ~annoyed~ with myself; I should never have raised my
voice in order to make myself heard when she was yelling at me and backing
me into the other classroom (this was literal, BTW. ::laugh:: I mentioned
animal rights and I had ten people attack me. They're all bloody well wrong
:P) Good points stand on their own.

Jake, no one's going to attack your beliefs... *hug* *sudden weg appears*
whoever that Satan fellow is.

No whining until ~January~? Who will I have to commiserate with? };D

>Ok folks this is a serious subject. I'm sorry Jake, I thought
>you weren't serious about being offended by the Bippy jokes.

*cheer* SOMOENE RELAIZES!!!

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Firemist, then the greenish cat ;> wrote:

>> Iftel. . . If the barrier was set up by Vkandis why was it so hard on
>> Karal? There was all this talk in SR about how the *real* priests were
>>ecstatic in Vkandis'
>> prescence when the False Son was destroyed. So wouldn't Karal feel the same?
>> I know that Karal never wanted Vkandis' full, undivided attention, but . . .
>
>I don't think that he actually encountered Vkandis as the Border.  More
>like he met a semi-sentient Guardian who Vkandis set to administer the
>Barrier.

*unble to pass up oppotunity to babble about Vanyel ;)* Is that like Van
being a part of the Forest, or the vrondi a part of him?

::sigh:: Kory, I would finish SBreaking if I could but as it is, I barely
have enough time to finish after school/homework and still have a
reasonable amount of time left for the list and private e-mail, too. :(

>One thing funny about the Barrier BTW.  SB makes it seem as if
>the Barrier was always there, not letting anyone in.  But in one of the
>other books, it states that the Iftel Border was perfectly normal, until
>Ancar tried to attack.  Then it went into Barrier mode.  It's a bit
>of a discrepancy.

Well, if it was sentient but not yet hostile...? Like if you try to attack
the vrondi. They'll be semi-sentient if you just intrude, but if you
actually attack them, they'll trigger Vanyel defenses... Maybe I'm just
babbling. *gryn*

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Re: Tam Lin

Well... there was ~no action~ until the last fifty pages... I would have
been fine with a contemporary ending, but it gave the traditional ending.
::sigh:: She didn't even try and justify the existance of the Faerie. I
thought Jane Yolen's children's version was a ~lot~ better. And it was
maybe ten pages, as opposed to a few hundred *grrr* I thought Tina was
neat, but she - she- ack! she thought Madeleine L'Engle was ~silly~ And
that Fyoder Dostoyevsky ~wasn't very good~ Sacrilege! *chortle* But I
suppose she'd be wonderful in math and logic, and there's a certain flow
there, too. Although one aims for a justification of belief through a
melding of emotion into everything else, and the other at Ultimate Truth.
*gryn*

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Re: escapism in fantasy/life


*gryn* I dunno, not quite sure if I'm an escapist. There's a lot of life in
fantasy... like Misty will drop an ANNOYING (paraphrased) proverb or give
us an unasked-for lecture occaisonally, and it's hard to see how you can
run away from life permanently when someone's ~constantly~ preaching at
you. (Can you tell I'm starting to find her frequent sermons slightly
stupid? ::sigh:: You can almost hear the next thing she's going to say...
rather like some sort of demented "don't cross the street without looking"
lady. It takes all the poetry out of prose. And ::falter:: it's like her
characters all went more two-dimensional suddenly ::blush:: Uh.oh.my. I've
joined the ranks of "Misty isn't what she used to be" Sorry...)

*tries again without the ranting part* I... I guess it's that I try and
empathize with characters, that I enter an escapist mode temporarily, and
if you get my attention, you have all of it. *frown* No, that's not it.
It's that I see enough life in *sputter* well, most things, really
::sigh::, prose or poetry, to escape into it. You can escape into a lot of
things. And the choice is to either live or die with the character. (makes
for a bit of confusion at first, I tell you *giggle*) Good authors make you
see the options. Why. And then you go out and write yourself :P *chortle*

::sigh:: Ah, burn it, I'm screwing up. Escapism is a lot of things. Well...
oh, never mind. Here's a poem by Anna Akhmatova that I like a lot *gryn*
... now's the prose over, now begins the poetry... (and here I thought it
was supposed to be a transition from poetry to prose ::chuckle::)



_Willow_
I was raised in checkered silence
in the cool nursery of the young century.
Human voices did not touch me,
it was the wind whose words I heard.
I favored burdocks and nettles,
but dearest to mewas the silver willow
my long companion through the years,
whose weeping branches
fanned my insomnia with dreams.
Oddly, I have survived it:
out there remains. Now other willows
with alien voices intone
under our skies.
And I am silent... as if a brother had died.




Byeeeee! Kimberrdoodledoo ;D



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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 22:12:56 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: re: s'do whatever,
Message-ID: <199609272213_MC1-9D9-F2BF-+AT+-compuserve.com>

 
I'm pretty sure it's Gaelic (hey, it's in the Copper Crown by Patricia whats-her-
name, so it's at least Celtic) It means 'life to you'

yes, I am re-reading the Kelts in Space books (no, that's not like Pigs in Space,
so nyah:) In fact, there's a whole glossary in the back of the Silver Branch,
including some insults that I'm supposed to post to the Mage-war list

Obmisty -> wonder why misty has stopped including lists of songs and a lexicon
in the back of her books. . .  (lame, I know)

Firemist

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:10:52 -0400
From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reality, RPGs, stuff
Message-ID: <960928001051_531834752-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com>

On Friday, Sep. 27, HTH wrote:

>I thought that RPG as Satanism thing died out years ago.<


Me too. Where I live, it pretty much has, for the most part. Personally, I'm
not afraid to admit to playing RPG's . . . I'm shameless that way too <g>. I
just don't have the opportunity to play very often, the only people I know
playing anything interesting live way too far away. And yes, some gamers
definitely do bore people to death with their "cool" characters. I have met
way too many of them <shudder>. 
As for vampires . . . I've met a couple of those wannabees, but of course I
couldn't really say for sure that they weren't what they said they were
either (what do you do? tell 'em to prove it? I don't think most of us would
like the way they proved it. I'd rather not know.).
> Has anyone heard of the new version of Romeo & Juliet? . . . <

Yes, and I, for one, am dying to see it, it looks really cool!

Tam Lin . . .  I have it, but it's been sitting on my shelves, along with a
ton of other books I haven't gotten around to yet. Now, with all the talk
about it, I'm gonna have to read it for myself. Thanks guys, my BTR list just
keeps growing, and growing (just kidding!) I'm grateful actually. BTW, is
Ecstasia a Pamela Dean book too?

Blessed Be,

NightShade aka ShadowJaz

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:10:54 -0400
From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Welcome to TOIB NightShade
Message-ID: <960928001053_531834778-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com>

I haven't ever played anything like this before, and I know that there aren't
any rules for creating personas, but is there someone we have to send a
character description to? I haven't got my persona made up yet, but it should
be finished pretty soon.
Oh, what about the Roll Call? Should I do that now, or after I jump in?

Blessed Be,

NightShade
aka ShadowJaz

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Date:        Fri, 27 Sep 1996 23:48:54 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Ecstasia
Message-ID:  <27SEP96.25720390.0037.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Author is Francesca Lia Block.  Sequel (which is good, but IMO not q
uite *as* good) is Primavera.

I'll be glad to give a capsule summary, but be warned, it sounds REALLY
STRANGE when you say it out loud.  Okay, it's a *little* strange even in
the book, but somehow it seems much less demented when Block writes it.
   There's a world that's mainly desert, populated by small villages
where life is pretty normal.  However, in this world, there's a city
called Elysia, where every good and enjoyable thing is abundant and
free, and everyone is young and beautiful.  The latter is because when
residents get older and less-beautiful, they retire in shame to a
hellish underground world to wait out their time until death.  So you
can have the regular, plain-ol' life, or you can have your every wish
fulfilled for a period of time, followed by another, fairly lousy period
of time when you are exiled from Elysia.
   The main characters are a band in Elysia -- Rafe and his sister
Calliope, her boyfriend Dionisio, and Paulo, who's madly in love with
Rafe.  The plot involves several strands: Rafe's girlfriend becoming
addicted to a deadly drug called Orpheus that induces visions of meeting
again with your dead loved ones, and the identity of Rafe and Calliope's
father being chief among them.  The real question that pervades the
story, though, is whether the band -- Ecstasia -- will choose to leave
Elysia while they still can, building the dreamed-of garden in the
desert where they can live together to grow old and raise Calliope and
Dionisio's unborn child.
   And, um, I guess I've kinda spoiled the suspense of the Rafe and
Paulo relationship.  Sorry.
   But it's a cool book, very *different* from anything I've ever read.
It's on my Really Really Good bookshelf.  The whole tone is very lush,
surreal, erotic, and poetic.  I guess it wouldn't be to everyone's
tastes, but I'd recommend giving it a try anyway.
   And I'd doubly recommend it to the Ladies of the Pink Wand.  Paulo is
a terrific character.  You'll love him, I promise.  (Okay, I don't
*promise.* How should I know how you'll feel about him?  But I think
you'll probably love him.)

   Holy Cow, Catherine!  I don't *know* the date of that post.  I post
two or three times a day and have, with a two or three month interlude,
pretty much every day for nine months now.  Your guess is as good as
mine, especially since I've posted Multiple Times about Swordspoint.  (I
should get a commission on that book.) I think it was before the
computer lab in my dorm opened, which means the last week in August or
early September sometime.

   And from now on, just for Kerry, I'm going to try to be wrong more
often.  MISTY JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!  SQUID ARE CENTRAL TO THE
PLOT OF THE STORM TRILOGY!  LARRY DIXON IS THE NEXT ORSON SCOTT CARD!
VANYEL WAS A SLUT!  DATING ALEC IS *GREAT* FOR YOUR HEALTH AND SANITY!
   Sorry.  I tried.  Look, guys, don't take it out on me.  It's *hard*
to be as insightful, articulate, and intelligent as I am.  I just feel
very blessed to find a group of people as tolerant and accepting as your
fine selves.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
Vote Early, Vote Often

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:49:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Filk+writing/MageWar
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960928004044.26379C-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>

> Obmisty -> wonder why misty has stopped including lists of songs and a 
> lexicon in the back of her books. . .  (lame, I know)
> 

Maybe the lack of filk is because she hasn't been writing any.  In fact,
that may be connected to her decline in quality.  I read in an interview
somewhere that she wrote the filk to help her develop a scene.  Like
"Fundamentals" and Kris teaching Talia to ground and center.  She also
used to write it in her spare time when she was a programmer.  In fact,
the jacket to FF&F says that she got creative at work.  She wasn't allowed
to read while the computer was busy processing stuff, so she wrote
lyrics instead.  Maybe since it seems that she hasn't done any filk
since V&H, it shows that she should be.   Now does any of that make any
sense?  :)

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> From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
> 
> I haven't ever played anything like this before, and I know that there aren't
> any rules for creating personas, but is there someone we have to send a
> character description to? I haven't got my persona made up yet, but it should
> be finished pretty soon.
> Oh, what about the Roll Call? Should I do that now, or after I jump in?

For one thing, this kind of message should be posted to the mage-war list,
not the misty list.  Send the character description to the mage-war
list as well.  And to Jaguar (rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu) for archiving.


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"I looked across the battlefield, blood
Adept, and God of Procrastination| seeping from my wounds. My comrades, 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | they did never yield. For courage 
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| knows no bounds." - Heather Alexander      


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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 01:20:46 -0400
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Fantasy v. Life/Firesong human?/Last of Velgarth? SB spoiler
Message-ID: <960928012045_295406759-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 the Most Excellent Heather wrote:

>>Am I the only person in the world who doesn't read fantasy to escape from
real life?  I happen to like life okay, thanks, but I'm crazy about fantasy,
too. It seems like every time I talk to fantasy fans, they say something
about real life being boring or depressing or otherwise unappealing, and that
they read fantasy to get away from it.<<

When I was a child and a teenager, fantastical daydreams were all that kept
me sane. I was a gifted child, hit puberty about 2 years earlier than other
girls my age, AND I was fat. That combination is absolute social death for a
kid, believe me. You know how there are certain "nerdy" kids in a school that
are tormented and put down by other kids? Well, I was one of those losers.
Some of it was my fault, because  I was socially backward and didn't know how
to handle the situation- but then, not one adult- including my parents, ever
tried to teach me ways of handling it. Or if they did, they gave up too
easily. So creating fantasy worlds and reading about other people's fantasy
worlds gave me an escape while I endured jr. high and high school. There have
been times in adulthood that I was stuck in boring, brain-deadening jobs,
when fantasy came to the rescue again, while I tried to better my real life
situation.

and on Wed, 25 Sep 1996 Heather of the Purple Fierceness wrote:

>>This just goes to show you the importance of...TIMELINES. If you're writing
something, have a timeline.  Know when everyone was born, and thusly how old
they are every time they appear and in relationship to everyone else.  If you
change your mind, go back and *edit* the timeline.
 **snip**   Don't think your readers won't notice.  They will -- right, Lilac
Fairy?<<

You are always right, my dear Heather. In fact, the Lilac Fairy often doesn't
bother to post at all because you've said exactly what she's say if she did,
only better. 


and Lady Sophia wrote:

>>And what happened to Firesong - another copout.  Couldn't they have him
turn into a human being without <something really bad happens to him-cut to
avoid giving away SB plot twist>

Interesting comment- I've always thought that Firesong was one of the most
truly human characters Misty has created- the most three-dimensional, fully
realized- and I would add Vanyel and Elspeth to that group. My support for my
not so humble opinion is- look at the variety of opinion about these
characters we've seen on this list! How many debates have we had about
whether or not Elspeth is a bitch? Some people wouldn't want Vanyel as a
friend because he's too moody and intense. And as the extremely intelligent
and tasteful Heather said:

>> They also had Firesong, whom I really really really liked, because he
wasn't so thrilled with wrecking his life for The Good of Valdemar.  He
didn't like the weather and he missed his hertasi and he worried about his
love life, in addition to the fate of nations.<<

These are real human beings. They get cranky, they get stubborn, their
friends get fed up with them and love them at the same time. And this is why
I keep reading Misty even when she does stupid things like forget how old
someone is supposed to be. 


onward:
SB spoilers:

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Icewolf wrote:
>>>Hmmm.  This brings up something that has been niggling at the back of my
brain. Did anyone else get the feeling that the Storm books would be the last
we'd see of Velgarth?  I think the apocalyptic nature of the Cataclysm was
over-emphasized, because, for the longest time, I had the dreadful feeling of
 "this is It." <<

I was thinking the same- I mean, once you've saved the known world from utter
chaos and destruction, what do you do for an encore? Okay, so assuming
Firesong et al. manage to stop the Mage Storms, everything else has got to be
an anticlimax. Except from what I can gather about SBreaking (haven't read it
yet) the magic in the world *changes*. So, now everyone has a new challenge-
relearning how to use magic, and how to deal with some drastic changes in
their lives. And I'm guessing that creative, innovative Firesong is going to
be the one to rise to the challenge.







end of spoiler







The Lilac Fairy
Lady of the Pink Wand

Lee Cox
San Francisco Performing Arts Library and Museum (SF PALM)




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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:22:15 -0400
From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Andesha/Shin'a'in Male deity
Message-ID: <v01530500ae7244d054df-+AT+-[204.253.92.111]>

I seem to remember in one of the Winds books, An'desha saying that a ring
given to him (when he was in Falconsbane) by the shin'a'in was for someone
that was sworn to all four faces of the goddess. How can that be if the
goddess only accepts sworn to the Warrior and the Crone? And if your sworn
to the Crone, does that mean you are "neuter" like the swordsworn? I'm a
bit confused on this one.

Also, in the back of Oathbreakers in the Lyrics section, for the "Shin'a'in
song of the seasons", there is a comment that states "Although Tarma seldom
mentioned the fact, her people have a four aspected male deity to
compliment the female. This song gives Him equal time with Her." His faces
are refered to as "Rover, Guardian, Hunter and Guide". I have never heard
any referance to him at all anywhere. Could it be V'Kandis? And why dont we
ever hear about him other than that comment? Or is this just a line Misty
forgot about?

on the topic of escapism -
We're discussing something like this in class, I'm hoping you can give me
some perspective. Here's the question. If Valdemar really did exist
somewhere, and you could get there,(but not come back) would you go? Why or
why not? (No, this isnt for a paper, just class discussion.)

Wow! This is a short one for me!
Wind to thy wings!  Julie



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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:59:44 EST
From: "Jenna Wilson ~Stormcloud~" <jenna-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: OIB
Message-ID: <13EEFC4A48-+AT+-SIMCL.STJOHNS.EDU>

Kalen write:
> As one time leader of the Ones In Black I once again put out the call 
> for all those interested in joining us .
> I have been absent for the summer but Stormcloud took over the
> leadership. It is time to swell the ranks once more.
> COME THOSE IN BLACK LET US BE ONE AGAIN.
> [Sorry high drama I know but I couldn't help it]
> 
> Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras


(Apologies for the off-topic fluff-- I'm in one of my moods. ;)

Damn sword-sworn, always did have a flair for the dramatic!  *huge 
sigh* I'm in the process of crawling out from under these Huge and 
Dusty Tomes (tm), so please, everyone who's interested in joining, 
drop me and/or Kalen a private e-mail.  We accept almost anyone who 
will be true and loyal to our black-clad sibs.

Stormcloud k'Treva shena Vyusher'edras

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-+AT+->--- 
Jenna, Lady of the Mists  ** Jenna-+AT+-simcl.stjohns.edu **  
Mistress of Hot Caffeinated Beverages, Goddess of Chat Rooms 
and Obsession, High Priestess of the Onmiscient Undine :) 
~ Stormcloud, Temporary Leader of Ones in Black ~
** http://members.tripod.com/~Stormcloud/ (personal page) **

"If anything on this ship is more important than my ego, I want it 
hunted down and shot!"  -Zaphod Beeblebrox

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Andesha/Shin'a'in Male deity
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960928113734.10862A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Sat, 28 Sep 1996, gar&julie mclaughlin wrote:

> I seem to remember in one of the Winds books, An'desha saying that a ring
> given to him (when he was in Falconsbane) by the shin'a'in was for someone
> that was sworn to all four faces of the goddess. How can that be if the
> goddess only accepts sworn to the Warrior and the Crone? And if your sworn
> to the Crone, does that mean you are "neuter" like the swordsworn? I'm a
> bit confused on this one.

I know the exact quote you're talking about.  That's why I guessed that
that's what An'desha would become in SB.  I won't say whether or not
I was right, since that's a spoiler. <g>  I'd guess that Mother and Maiden
just don't have their own individual Sworn.  What would they be if there
were?  HearthSworn?  FlowerSworn? <g>  About the neuter thing, I don't
think that shaman get it.  Look at Tre'valen.  He's a shaman, yet he 
lusted after Dawnfire.

> Also, in the back of Oathbreakers in the Lyrics section, for the "Shin'a'in
> song of the seasons", there is a comment that states "Although Tarma seldom
> mentioned the fact, her people have a four aspected male deity to
> compliment the female. This song gives Him equal time with Her." His faces
> are refered to as "Rover, Guardian, Hunter and Guide". I have never heard
> any referance to him at all anywhere. Could it be V'Kandis? And why dont we
> ever hear about him other than that comment? Or is this just a line Misty
> forgot about?

He's only refered to in a couple of places.  One of them is in the
memory-tapestry scene in WoFate.  The shaman Ravenwing refers to
"Her and Him" or "She and He" at one point (book's at home, so no
textevd).  I'm pretty sure that there are one or two more mentions,
but I can't remember them at the moment.  "Shin'a'in Song of the Seasons"
is a really good song.  As is "Shin'a'in Warsong".  Larry Warner. *Drool*
<g>  Oh, and there's been a *lot* of speculation that He is Vkandis.
Hey guys, if Misty is answering questions at Dragon*con, lets ask her
about this. 


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"I looked across the battlefield, blood
Adept, and God of Procrastination| seeping from my wounds. My comrades, 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | they did never yield. For courage 
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| knows no bounds." - Heather Alexander      


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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:49:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: William L Pomeroy <Greyrose-+AT+-world.std.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reality, RPGs, stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.960928174528.28830B-100000-+AT+-world.std.com>

Hello all,

	As an avid Rp'er I can attest to the fact that although the
'Satan' scare of the 1980's has been gone for many years...it has not been
forgotten. Most people who have heard of roleplaying remeber AD&D and have
not heard of the other games.  

	As for the new book...so far it is GREAT!  I have only gotten
through 5 chapters as I picked it up last night.  

At anyrate, that is my .02 cents worth.

				Bill

PS If anyone is interested in RPing or Vampire larping 
   (Live Action RolePlaying) Please feel free to 
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