MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 850

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 847
	by hirschco-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Farrin)
  2) Shin'a'in Male deity /Florian!
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
  3) Braid: Fantasy worlds/vampire/filk/Larry&OSC/escapism
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  4) Re: Braid: vampire/escapism/anime
	by Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
  5) The Big Move to Velgarth
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
  6) Re:Moving/SB SPOILERS
	by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin)
  7) Re: Reality, RPGs, stuff
	by Sara Camarata <camarata-+AT+-wam.umd.edu>
  8) SB SPOILERS!!!
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
  9) KELTIA meets VELGARTH
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 10) Re: The Big Move to Velgarth
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
 11) Hell-bound RPGer's
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 12) Re: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 13) The Big Move/RPG's/God's...
	by Shaun Rodger <griffin-+AT+-dial.pipex.com>
 14) Re: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
	by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
 15) Re: The Big Move to Velgarth
	by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
 16) Re: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
	by "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 17) Re: The Big Move to Velgarth
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 18) Braid: The Big Move/Religious freaks/more on TBM/RPing/C.J.
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:56:12 -0700
From: hirschco-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Farrin)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 847
Message-ID: <199609290056.RAA03378-+AT+-dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>

Firemist wrote:

>Re Roleplaying
>alright, call me naive, but I've never once met a person who thought 
they
>were their charcter, cut their ears to look like an elf, seriously 
thought AD&D
>automatically leads to Satanism or any of the other horror stories 
concerning
>RP. I've *heard* the stories, but I've never *met* these people or 
their like.
>Of course, I've never been to any Cons (blush) but I've only been 
playing for
>7 years, and that was in Holland! I also fail to see why role-playing 
has such
>a bad name. Not to name names or anything, but a certain list-member's 
home
>page denies that their name is the name of an RP persona. WHY? Is 
there
>some cultural aspect re role-playing that I'm missing out on? Do 
people burn
>crosses in your front yard if you admit to being a Role-Player? I'm 
not be
>facetious (sp? does teh good fo typso ned zistor gudesss?), I really 
want to 
>know!
>
I seem to have lost a disgest (figures, as I haven't been able to get 
to my mailbox at all most of this week) the one in which this thread 
started, but its funny how life on the list parallels real life.  My 
son's Scoutmaster showed up at the Scout committee meeting Tues nite 
with a condemnation of the "Magic" game cards, since like D&D 
roleplaying they are the "first step on the road to Satanic worship".  
When I finally stopped snickering - okay at least I managed not to 
laugh in his face (it was hard!!!) - I pointed out that he had handed 
this condemnation to a mother who was 1) not Christian 2) believed in 
"Magic" (the way he would define it anyway) 3)had managed not to 
descend to any levels of depravity that remotely resembled Satanic 
Worship in all my 40 years. When he stopped spluttering, he was at 
least good enough to allow that we could agree to disagree.  Oh well, 
better that than outright hostility.

OBMisty:  I was very tempted to remind him the "There is no one true 
way", but another friend who is also a Misty fan was standing right 
behind him and I knew if I said it out loud, we'd both end up laughing 
at him.  I really was tying to save his dignity. <grin>  (What a lame 
OBM - I promise to be on-topic below.)

My final comment to this whole thread is that strong, self confident 
people cannot be "Made" to do anything, consequently whatever 
temptations come their way, they are unlikely to go off the deep end.  
Those with low self esteem however, are likely to lose their way to 
whatever happens to hook them, whether its alcohol, drugs or RPG's.
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>To the author of The Top 17 Signs You're At A Bad Rennaissance 
Festival:
>
>Very, very funny. I thought it was hilarious - hysterical-rolling 
around on
>the floor-funny. <still laughing>.
>
I missed this. (Same lost digest?) I cold use some rolling around on 
the floor funny this week.  would whoever posted it mind resending it 
to me privately?
>
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>
Heather wrote:
>   It's been so long since I read fiction that wasn't fantasy.  When I
>get time to read, it's pretty much either fantasy or history.  From
>school, I remember being very, very into Nathaniel Hawthorne.  I 
thought
>he was very cool.  I liked Steinbeck, and all three Brontes.  I really
>loved L.M. Montgomery as a kid -- I think I have most of her novels,
>including the really obscure ones like Blue Castle and Kilmeny of the
>Orchard, and several short story collections, only slightly damaged by
>basement flooding.  The Emily series was my favorite.  I also loved
>Little Women.  My cherished hardback copy, ketchup stained and 
battered
>from much traveling, was recently partially devoured by my dog, and I
>was tremendously upset.  I'm keeping it, though.  That's the book
>they're going to bury *me* with.  I *still* cry when I read that.  Not
>the part where(LITTLE WOMEN SPOILER) Beth dies, but before that, when
>she and Jo have their conversation on the beach.  Little Men was, IMO,
>only somewhat entertaining, but I really liked Jo's Boys.
>
>   Has anyone else heard about this new version of Romeo and Juliet?  
I
>think it looks really awesome.  It has Leonardo DiCaprio and Clare
>Danes, and while the words are Shakespeare, it's set in a
>present-day-like alternate world -- a place called Verona Beach, where
>DiCaprio walks around in plate mail.  I'm totally intrigued by this.
>The ads I've seen for it have this odd, half-familiar, surreal quality
>that reminded me of Ecstasia (which is the OTHER book you guys should 
be
>reading.  Right after Swordspoint.  That way you'll be familiar with 
the
>Six Great Gay Men of fantasy: Vanyel and Stefen, Richard and Alec, 
Paulo
>and Rafe.)

Just wanted to let you know that I finally got around to requesting 
Swordspoint from the library & I promise to read it just as soon as it 
comes in - on your repeated recommendation of course <grin>

>------------------------------
>
Kerry wrote:
>
>Heather - umm, you're doing it again. I've just read about 5 of your
>posts and the only comment that springs to mind is "Err, yeah. What
>she said." Stop it. :)
>
She does it to me too.  I'm always XXX (lots) of digests behind, and 
about the time I've got the wind in my sails and I'm ready to pour it 
into a post, along comes Heather with the perfect post and all I can 
think of to write is "Yeah, what she said."  Are you aware that you 
speak with many voices, HTH?  <grin>

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Kerry asked:  ( I think, not quite sure of the attribution)
...could Florian possibly be the Lendel part of Stef/'Lendel? After 
all, we know that the dominant 
>> persona in Sorrows is Stefen, and 'Lendel was certainly friendly 
with Van 
>> <ggg>, and 'Lendel was a mage, and he had light hair....
>
>I like this idea, a lot. I was always sorry that we didn't see much of 

>the 'Lendel side of his personality (Personally, I always thought Stef 

>was a bit bleugh) - it could well be that the different faces of his 
soul 
>are just manifesting in two places at once. It would certainly help 
Van
>keep tabs on what's happening down in Haven; and it would explain why 
>Stef's spirit in Sorrows was less clearly manifested / less powerful 
than




SB SPOILER




















I would have to disagree, as the storyline description of Van and Stef 
showing up at Urtho's tower describes Stef manifesting as two images, 
one a description of Stef and one Lendel.

Back to work and lurkdom..............

AliFarr

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:07:04 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Shin'a'in Male deity /Florian!
Message-ID: <199609282207_MC1-9E2-D93F-+AT+-compuserve.com>


IMHO I think it probably *is* Vkandis since the Female Karsite deity that was
shuffled off into the background in SR had a name suspiciously similiar to
the Star-Eyed's.

semi-rant on
 Of course, now the trine that were mentioned in BTS will turn out to be the 
star-eyed as well, and the book of the one will be revealed to be about two 
deities but one 'true prophet' who interpreted their creeds, and the lady of
the winds will also be the star-eyed, just like Keth suspected and in fact all the
female goddesses are the Star-eyed in disguise and all the male gods will
be Vkandis and Ma'ar will turn out to be the Velgarth equivalent to Satan, yadda
yadda yadda
semi-rant off

I wonder if Misty really thinks she's being subtle with these things -> the Savil - 
Sayvil bit and the Goddesses names.

Here's a wild idea -> Florian is Tashir reincarnated! er, maybe not. Tashir looked
like Lyndel with gold curls and all, and Florian is meant to be thin earnest and a
brunette, isn't he? <sigh> so much for that idea.

Firemist

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:35:34 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Fantasy worlds/vampire/filk/Larry&OSC/escapism
Message-ID: <199609290231.VAA07333-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

On Fantasy worlds:
I believe that there could be an infinitely many number of worlds out
there, other planets, other dimentions, parallel universes (too much
Trek??), alternate time lines (definitely too much Trek), and many what-if
situations possible. So there could be a Velgarth, Pern, Darkover, Xanth
(shudder), Palenoc, Lenfell, etc. out there, somewhere. Chances are almost
nonexistent that we'll ever get there, but it's nice to think that they
*might* somehow exist. And in a (metaphysical) sense, I think those worlds
stay in existence because they make great impressions on the readers, and
whoever reads about those worlds remembers something about those worlds. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hth wrote:
>>>That would be my cover, if I were a vampire.  None of this, "Ummm,
I'm the eccentric rich, and I don't like to get up before...seven or
eight at night." Heck no.  I'd tell everyone who would stand still long
enough to listen: "Look!  I'm a vampire!" I'd wear a big cloak and quote
Byron and play LARP, and no one would ever think anything except, "What
a loser." I'd live forever.<<<

Huh. Never thought of that. But I guess it would work. However, there is a
chance that someone like that who believes this thing is for real coming
after you. Now *that* would suck, because no one would help you. Everyone
will think you and the hunter are the same kind of losers and leave you
alone. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Raindancer sigged:
<snip>>>(especially when there's a lunar
eclipse!!! Did anyone else watch it?)
<<<

It was raining!!! ARGH! I have a thing with eclipses, esp. lunar, not
particularly the car. I was really perked up even though it was raining.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Firemist wrote:
>>>Obmisty -> wonder why misty has stopped including lists of songs and a
>>>lexicon
in the back of her books. . .  (lame, I know)<<<
It's not lame! I was just wondering that, too! Maybe because she's now a
"professional writer" she doesn't do the lyricist thing anymore. I wish she
would -- I love the song (just the words -- never actually heard it) "The
Shadow-Lover." I even sent it to a friend of mine because I thought he
might like it, too, and he's a reader of the boringly-mundane. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HTH wrote:
<snip>>> LARRY DIXON IS THE NEXT ORSON SCOTT CARD!<<<

Oy! I hope not! I know you were trying to make a point, but I don't think
OSC has degraded quite that badly... His 5-volume Homecoming saga was
fabulous, but Lovelock wasn't as good, though it was all right.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Julie wrote:
>>>on the topic of escapism -
We're discussing something like this in class, I'm hoping you can give me
some perspective. Here's the question. If Valdemar really did exist
somewhere, and you could get there,(but not come back) would you go? Why or
why not? (No, this isnt for a paper, just class discussion.)<<<

I probably wouldn't because 1.) AFAIK, I don't have Heraldic Gifts, Mage
Gifts, Bardic Gift, etc. so I'll be an ordinary person, maybe an engineer
like Natoli if I'm lucky. 2.) It's not such a great place for women unless
you're Chosen, selected for Bardic or Healer Collegium, or a child of a
Herald. 3.) No Trek! But if I had a special Gift and I knew about it, I
would probably go to Velgarth.
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Okey-dokey, I'm done! Have a nice day...

Love and other illogical emotions,
Summersong, sometimes Spiffy the Cat, ecstatic because Carl finally wrote her

"We're serious, dignified actors -- what's that?" -- Brent Spiner


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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:31:58 -0500
From: Claris Smith <ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: vampire/escapism/anime
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960929033158.008dfac0-+AT+-comp.uark.edu>

Spiffy, or Summersong, or maybe Spiffysong, wrote all this stuff below,
except what she didn't write <weg>:
>Hth wrote:
>>>>That would be my cover, if I were a vampire.  None of this, "Ummm,
>I'm the eccentric rich, and I don't like to get up before...seven or
>eight at night." Heck no.  I'd tell everyone who would stand still long
>enough to listen: "Look!  I'm a vampire!" I'd wear a big cloak and quote
>Byron and play LARP, and no one would ever think anything except, "What
>a loser." I'd live forever.<<<
>
>Huh. Never thought of that. But I guess it would work. However, there is a
>chance that someone like that who believes this thing is for real coming
>after you. Now *that* would suck, because no one would help you. Everyone
>will think you and the hunter are the same kind of losers and leave you
>alone. 

Mm.  What a perfectly *delicious* story idea!!! I think I may be inspired!

I have to admit I do wonder about a certain person of my and Wildcat's
acquaintance...he does the whole  I'm-so-Gothic-I-drive-a-hearse thing so
well that I have to speculate sometimes.  (How many normal people do you
know who perch on top of 3 story walls, wearing a top hat and a velvet
overcoat? On second thought, don't answer that!)

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Raindancer sigged:
><snip>>>(especially when there's a lunar
>eclipse!!! Did anyone else watch it?)
><<<
>
>It was raining!!! ARGH! I have a thing with eclipses, esp. lunar, not
>particularly the car. I was really perked up even though it was raining.

Ach, me too.  We were in the middle of an incredible monsoon.  Walking
across campus was a real experience.  My jeans cuffs were still wet  at the
end of my 3-hour class.


>Julie wrote:
>>>>on the topic of escapism -
>We're discussing something like this in class, I'm hoping you can give me
>some perspective. Here's the question. If Valdemar really did exist
>somewhere, and you could get there,(but not come back) would you go? Why or
>why not? (No, this isnt for a paper, just class discussion.)<<<
>
>I probably wouldn't because 1.) AFAIK, I don't have Heraldic Gifts, Mage
>Gifts, Bardic Gift, etc. so I'll be an ordinary person, maybe an engineer
>like Natoli if I'm lucky. 2.) It's not such a great place for women unless
>you're Chosen, selected for Bardic or Healer Collegium, or a child of a
>Herald. 3.) No Trek! But if I had a special Gift and I knew about it, I
>would probably go to Velgarth.


Yeah, precisely.  Being an ordinary person in most fantasy worlds would
bite, totally! (Like, you know! <g>)  Without some kind of special talent, I
wouldn't go to most of those worlds any more than I'd go to 13th century
Wales.  Bad hygiene, diseases, sexism, superstition, terribly uncomfortable
clothing...<g> Much as I may say and have said of me that I was born either
a millenium and a half too late or a century too early...well, it's a nice
place to visit but (say it with me now!) I wouldn't want to live there!  And
that includes Velgarth.
                ^^^^ I said Velgarth, it's a Misty ref. pbbbbbbttthh!


You anime fans know about AnimeMUSH, right? Come play sometime!  In case you
don't, it's:

anime.mush.com 6260
                ^^ that's the port #

I play Yamitsuke or more likely Ukyo.


*Claris Smith: Art/History Major, GM, sf/fantasy Artist, Gung Fu Student*
*  "ccsmith-+AT+-comp.uark.edu"            "http://comp.uark.edu/~ccsmith/"  *
"What is that, Kermit, an elephant handgun?""Gotta protect my disks."KF:tLC


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Date:        Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:32:11 CDT
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: The Big Move to Velgarth
Message-ID:  <28SEP96.25419352.0022.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Naaahhh.  I'd get sick of Valdemar eventually.  That's the nice thing
about books: no committment.  I can be four or five places in an
afternoon, no strings attatched.
   Besides, as someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be a Herald, so what
fun would it be?  I don't think I'd be much of a Bard, either -- I have
negative performance skills (I sing like a wounded mongoose), and the
chances are low I'd have the Bardic Gift, so while I'm relatively
creative, I just wouldn't be cool enough for the Collegium.  I couldn't
be an engineer.
   Though I have been saying ever since Black Gryphon that I want to be
a kestra'chern.  So if for some reason I *had* to move to Velgarth,
that's what I'd like to end up as.
   I'd prefer, though, to live on the Celts in Space world of Patricia
Kennealy-Morrison's books.  I could be a druid and still use a microwave
oven.  How cool would that be?


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"The madness of demons is rage -- the madness of angels, hope."
    --The Dragon & the Unicorn, A.A. Attanasio

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:46:39 -0400
From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:Moving/SB SPOILERS
Message-ID: <v01530500ae73807e0725-+AT+-[204.253.92.101]>

Thank you all for the comments on moving to Valdemar! Goes to prove we are
all pretty well grounded in reality! My professor figured that 50% of
people would go. I didnt think so. What would I do with my family? Bring
them with me? My kids wouldnt care, but my hubby would! Beside's what would
I tell the grandparents? No thanks, I'd miss my family and freinds too
much. And just think, no cars, Big Macs, no computers, no TV, no mass
produced books, no movies or videos, no grocery stores - and we wouldnt be
able to speak the language! Thanks, even with all the problems, I'll stay
here! (At least until they build up Mars or something. THEN I might leave!)

BTW, to those of you who said Swordpoint was good, you were right. I
dragged it off the shelf and read it. Think I'll have to read it again to
catch the more subtle things I missed the first time though.

---------------SB SPOILER------------------SB SPOILER--------------------















About Florian - I'm half way through magic's price, and I still havent
found anyone to match his description. Is it possible we're wrong about
Florian knowing Vanyel before hand? Or maybe we are laboring under a
misconception that who ever it is was a MALE. Why not a female? As for
possibles, I'd say Medren, Mardic or possiblly Trevan. Also, since Misty
seems to use a similar name for those people who have come around before,
is it possible that Trevan (the King after Randale) and Treyvan (the
gryphon) are the same person? IIRC, it is possible for a Human to be reborn
in the body of another, equally intellegent species.

ok, thats it!
Wind to thy wings!  Julie



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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:07:59 +0000
From: Sara Camarata <camarata-+AT+-wam.umd.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reality, RPGs, stuff
Message-ID: <324E3C6F.6052-+AT+-wam.umd.edu>

William L Pomeroy wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>         As an avid Rp'er I can attest to the fact that although the
> 'Satan' scare of the 1980's has been gone for many years...it has not been
> forgotten. Most people who have heard of roleplaying remeber AD&D and have
> not heard of the other games.

Ah the "Satan" scare. I remember it well. Been RPGing for a good 15 
years or so and saw it all...well most of it. The scary thing is that 
it's by no means over...Just a few days ago I was telling some newbie 
gamer friends all about Vampire: The MAsquerade and some religico nut 
told me I was destined to go to hell...man...Heck, I can recall when I 
was first reading the Herald-Mage trilogy when an ex-friendly 
acquaintance I'd recomended the series to called me a lesbian Jezebelle 
when she realized Vanyel was 'shaych. THEN she expected me to hit on her 
every time I saw her...and the religious freaks say fantasy readers 
can't stay focused on reality!!!

Sara's .02 in the well.

(snip book stuff) 
> At anyrate, that is my .02 cents worth. 
                                 Bill

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 07:01:17 -0700
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: SB SPOILERS!!!
Message-ID: <199609291401.HAA22974-+AT+-latimes.com>

>---------------SB SPOILER------------------SB SPOILER--------------------
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>
>About Florian - I'm half way through magic's price, and I still havent
>found anyone to match his description. Is it possible we're wrong about
>Florian knowing Vanyel before hand? 

Possible, but I still think he's from LHM.  He's a Herald/Companion who has
been around a number of times in both forms (Sounds as if he's going to show
up as a Herald again, being Chosen about fifteen years after the end of SB,
according to Karal.  He MIGHT be from Oathbound/Oathbreakers or possibly
part of BY THE SWORD.  If Florian is only four or five years old (an adult
stallion), he could even be from somewhere in ARROWS.  But I doubt he's from
anything much later than that (and no Heralds in the Gryphon stuff, so I
doubt he's in that).  But I just don't get Van being so danged chatty with
Karal (and I still haven't seen anyone answer my question as to who is the
Karsite priest Van is talking about) or Florian going so weak in the knees
over Yfandes (if you're used to dealing with spirits walking around you and
seeing avatars and being in the presence of gods, it takes more than just
having heard legends about one of your forefathers to provoke that type of
a reaction), and I don't understand why Florian would be the one charged
with telling Karal that Van and company had "made their choice" of what to
do next or why he would think Karal would even care (the priest barely even
spoke to the total strangers)--I just thought it sounded more like Florian
telling about what happened to his own friends/acquaintences.  Since Florian
does his time-traveling in both forms, was there a double-vision of Ghost in
LHM?  Could that be whom I remember from LHM?  Could Florian be Ghost?

>Or maybe we are laboring under a
>misconception that who ever it is was a MALE. Why not a female? 

No matter whether you come back as a human or a Companion, the sex of the
spirit seems to stay the same.  Misty's pretty consistent about that.  I
mean, imagine the problems if 'Lendel had come back as Stefanie!

>Also, since Misty
>seems to use a similar name for those people who have come around before,
>is it possible that Trevan (the King after Randale) and Treyvan (the
>gryphon) are the same person? 

Never thought about that.  Interesting.

>IIRC, it is possible for a Human to be reborn
>in the body of another, equally intellegent species.

Well, we know it works with Humans and Companions and with Humans and
Firecats.  Why not with something else?

Danya


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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:12:06 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
Message-ID: <199609291312_MC1-9E1-C164-+AT+-compuserve.com>

HTH said something re going to Keltia and being a druid that can use a 
microwave


Alright, now hear this. The next ship boarding for Keltia will be leaving from
the Spaceport nearest you in 2 days! Just enough time to pack and get there 
<G>. The Kelts want *you*. Come and be a Ban-droai, or a Fian, or a Dragon, or
a Bard, or a Druid, or be a rich horse-breeder a la Sabia! (hey, no poverty and
everyone's assured of havinga job. like, get out of my way!!!) What the heck,
shin'a'in welcome provided they bring some horses along <g> 

wonder what would happen in a Kennealy-Lackey co-authored book?
"My sorrow, Seleney, to have frightened your consort so, but there was no
time for protocal, do you see?" Aeron asks the Herald-Queen, laser-green eyes
searching Companion-blue ones. "Morwen will tell you of the information we 
have learned concerning your new enemy, Melles. Taiosech (sp?), do you 
begin."
(giggle)

Firemist

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:12:49 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Big Move to Velgarth
Message-ID: <960929131248_320081092-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

Hth writes:
<<  Besides, as someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be a Herald, so what
 fun would it be?  I don't think I'd be much of a Bard, either -- I have
 negative performance skills (I sing like a wounded mongoose), and the
 chances are low I'd have the Bardic Gift, so while I'm relatively
 creative, I just wouldn't be cool enough for the Collegium.  I couldn't
 be an engineer. >>

  Would I go if I could?  I agree with Heather and the others...if we
couldn't have Gifts,  be Heralds,  Bards or Healers,  what would be the
point?  Unless we went to the Collegium as a Blue,  it would be pretty
crummy.  I couldn't be an engineer either.  Now,  if we could go and have one
of our existing qualities maginified,  would you go?  Like,  I'm the goddess
of sensitivity,  if I could have that magnified to Empathy,  I might go.  I'm
also a good singer,  and I don't sound like a wounded mongoose.  I'm not star
material,  but I'm good.  If I could be an average Bard,  I would definately
go.  
Would you go if this could happen?

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
and Firecat,  Cat Person
"Sometimes it's easy to be myself,  sometimes I find it's better to be
somebody else."  DMB _So Much to Say_


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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:20:30 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Hell-bound RPGer's
Message-ID: <199609291320_MC1-9E9-780F-+AT+-compuserve.com>


Well, if we are all doomed to go to hell for RPing, I say 'who wants to go to
heaven anyway?' Can't drink, can't have sex unless your procreating, probably 
don't let you eat chocolate since everything else fun means your 
instanteously hell-bound. . . So, pack up your dice, grab a bag of your favorite
junk food, and converge on some poor slobs house and RP in their living room
until they go crazy! <evil snicker>

I wonder what really does happen to people in Valdemar who go against the 'No 
true, one way' rule? do they go straight to hell (or the equivalent there of, like 
being reborn a slug in a sadist's garden who pours salt in a circle around you and
you either starve or die slowly and painfully)? I always thought Deity was 
supposed to be a caring sort, and forgiving, and didn't have rules like 'three 
strikes and you're out.' hmmm....

Firemist

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.960929102939.37322B-100000-+AT+-homer04.u.washington.edu>



On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote:

> HTH said something re going to Keltia and being a druid that can use a 
> microwave
> 
> 
> Alright, now hear this. The next ship boarding for Keltia will be leaving from
> the Spaceport nearest you in 2 days! Just enough time to pack and get there 
> <G>. The Kelts want *you*. Come and be a Ban-droai, or a Fian, or a Dragon, or
> a Bard, or a Druid, or be a rich horse-breeder a la Sabia! (hey, no poverty and
> everyone's assured of havinga job. like, get out of my way!!!) What the heck,
> shin'a'in welcome provided they bring some horses along <g> 

Wait for meeeeee!
 
> wonder what would happen in a Kennealy-Lackey co-authored book?
> "My sorrow, Seleney, to have frightened your consort so, but there was no
> time for protocal, do you see?" Aeron asks the Herald-Queen, laser-green eyes
> searching Companion-blue ones. "Morwen will tell you of the information we 
> have learned concerning your new enemy, Melles. Taiosech (sp?), do you 
> begin."
> (giggle)

<snort> LOL!  BTW, the new Keltia book is due out this spring. :-)

Zhai'helleva, 'S e do bheatha, & other nice things, 

Raindancer
eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu
Herald, Ranger, Cat Person, EEPer, Kelt, & High Queen of the Strange Ones
Who Dance In The Treetops After Nightfall 


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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:21:09 +0000
From: Shaun Rodger <griffin-+AT+-dial.pipex.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: The Big Move/RPG's/God's...
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960929192109.1b5f9832-+AT+-pop.dial.pipex.com>


>Would I go if I could?  I agree with Heather and the others...if we
>couldn't have Gifts,  be Heralds,  Bards or Healers,  what would be the
>point?  Unless we went to the Collegium as a Blue,  it would be pretty
>crummy.  I couldn't be an engineer either.  Now,  if we could go and have
>one of our existing qualities maginified,  would you go?  Like,  I'm the
>goddess of sensitivity,  if I could have that magnified to Empathy,  I
might >go.  I'm also a good singer,  and I don't sound like a wounded
mongoose.  >I'm not star material,  but I'm good.  If I could be an average
Bard,  I >would definately go.  
>Would you go if this could happen?
>
>Lady Silvermoon
>LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
>and Firecat,  Cat Person
>"Sometimes it's easy to be myself,  sometimes I find it's better to be
>somebody else."  DMB _So Much to Say_

=============================================================================

Would I go if I could have my character qualities magnified into gifts? Hmm
. . . That'd make me a Foreseer then . . . Or maybe an Empath. . . Yeah, if
that happened then I have to say that I'd be sticking my thumb out going,
"Valdemar anyone?" 

And Oh yeah, on the RPG/Satanism thing... It STILL happens!!!! The Christian
Union at my Uni is REALLY bad for it! *LOL!* I do Tarot Cards, I'm pretty
good at them. and one time we organised a fund-raising thing at Halloween,
doing Tarot, I-Ching, etc and they set a Prayer Circle up next door, praying
that we would be saved!!!! And the RPG society are all damned to hell as far
as they're concerned.... Sad really.... But the stereotype persists.  Anyone
remember that movie where the kid went insane in a RPG, though he was his
charcter, and almost threw himself off the top of the World Trade Centre?
Done more to damage the hobby than anything else, that movie has.....

And as for LHM... Yup, met with a similar reaction when people discovered
that good-old, clean cut, upwardly mobile Van was SHAYCH!!! *Gasps of
horror* I try not to discuss Misty with some of my friends anymore. . 

Oh well.... Nothing too deep and meaningful in this, I know, but there you
go, I'm still trying to get a handle on this List so please, Be Nice To Me?
*Big puppy dog eyes*  

BTW, plenty of Goddess's floating around? Any Gods? If so, put me down for
God of Lateral-Leaps, Purple Dice and Grand-Piano's. *G* Thank you!!!!

Zhai'helleva!

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:07:01 CST
From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
Message-ID: <62933.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu>

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:56:56 +0100 (BST), 
E. Angell  <eangell-+AT+-U.WASHINGTON.EDU> wrote:

>
>On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote:
>
>> HTH said something re going to Keltia and being a druid that can use a 
>> microwave
>> 
>> Alright, now hear this. The next ship boarding for Keltia will be leaving from
>> the Spaceport nearest you in 2 days! Just enough time to pack and get there 
>> <G>. The Kelts want *you*. Come and be a Ban-droai, or a Fian, or a Dragon, or
>> a Bard, or a Druid, or be a rich horse-breeder a la Sabia! (hey, no poverty and
>> everyone's assured of havinga job. like, get out of my way!!!) What the heck,
>> shin'a'in welcome provided they bring some horses along <g> 
>
>Wait for meeeeee!
> 
>> wonder what would happen in a Kennealy-Lackey co-authored book?
>> "My sorrow, Seleney, to have frightened your consort so, but there was no
>> time for protocal, do you see?" Aeron asks the Herald-Queen, laser-green eyes
>> searching Companion-blue ones. "Morwen will tell you of the information we 
>> have learned concerning your new enemy, Melles. Taiosech (sp?), do you 
>> begin."
>> (giggle)
>
><snort> LOL!  BTW, the new Keltia book is due out this spring. :>

On that note, Patricia Kennealy-Morrison has her own webpage.  I don't have 
the site-address on me, but I'll look it up if anyone wants it.  Otherwise, 
you can do a search for "Patricia Kennealy", or "Keltia"  or "Blackmantle" 
and it should come up.  It's awesome!  Full of maps, heraldry (shields and 
crests, guys, not big white horses!), excerpts from her new novel, and some 
interesting auto-biography stuff.  Tons o' fun.

RE: the Kennealy-Lackey book.......I guess I'd rather not see that.....I'm 
a card-carrying member of the "Misty just ain't what she used to be" club, 
but even at her best, I don't think ML is in the same league with 
Kennealy-Morrison.  Sorry for the treason guys!  Off with my head!

's e do bheatha,

Kaatje

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  Silence is the Door between Love and Fear; and
  on Fear's side, there is no latch.
                                           --D. Duane
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:57:42 -0400
From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: The Big Move to Velgarth
Message-ID: <960929145741_320138712-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com>

Sunday, Sep. 29, Lady Silvermoon wrote:

<< Now, if we could go and have one of our existing qualities amplified,
would you go?> >

Definitely. If I could be a Herald or a Bard I would want to go. My own
singing ability would probably be good enough for an average Bard or
minstrel. If amplified, maybe better. Not so sure I'd want to stay for too
long, though. I'd miss my friends and family. I think I'd rather visit,
instead of moving.

Blessed Be,

NightShade aka ShadowJaz

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "E. Angell" <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: KELTIA meets VELGARTH
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.960929124757.76552A-100000-+AT+-homer18.u.washington.edu>



On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Katherine M. Brielmaier wrote:

> On that note, Patricia Kennealy-Morrison has her own webpage.  I don't have 
> the site-address on me, but I'll look it up if anyone wants it.  Otherwise, 
> you can do a search for "Patricia Kennealy", or "Keltia"  or "Blackmantle" 
> and it should come up.  It's awesome!  Full of maps, heraldry (shields and 
> crests, guys, not big white horses!), excerpts from her new novel, and some 
> interesting auto-biography stuff.  Tons o' fun.

Yeah- I've got it bookmarked. :-)  If anyone else is interested, the URL
is  http://www.wwonline-ny.com/~lizardqueen/
 
> RE: the Kennealy-Lackey book.......I guess I'd rather not see that.....I'm 
> a card-carrying member of the "Misty just ain't what she used to be" club, 

Me too, although I still love all her books, nothing recent has even come
close to AoTQ or LHM.  IMNSHO.

> but even at her best, I don't think ML is in the same league with 
> Kennealy-Morrison.  Sorry for the treason guys!  Off with my head!

They're hard to compare because they're just so *different*.  Which is
good, 'cause sometimes I get tired of one style or the other.  Variety is
the spice of life. (Dear Goddess, I'm actually using cliches.  Somebody
shoot me & put me out of my misery)  I'm just in a crappy mood 'cause I
start school tomorrow.  <sigh>  BTW, what Keltia trilogy do you like best?
The Aeron books are definetly *my* favorites.

Zhai'helleva, 'S e do bheatha, & other nice things,

Raindancer











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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:52:08 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: The Big Move to Velgarth
Message-ID: <199609291552_MC1-9ED-136B-+AT+-compuserve.com>


Would I go? I don't know. . . can I bring my family and import all my favorite 
foods?!? I don't want to live on bread, cheese, fruit, and meat pies!!!!! HOWL!
give me chicken pot pie or chocolate mousse any day! If my abilities were 
amplified I'd have foresight and a major Cooking Gift. Yes, I would found the 
Chef's Collegium right next to the Healers' so that all those poor sick people 
would smell chocolate cakes and become instantly cured so they could have 
some! I would save Velgarth from food ennui single-handedly! I would - oh
drat, now I've gone and made myself hungry! I'm off to go have home-made 
chicken soup <yum>

Firemist

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:14:36 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: The Big Move/Religious freaks/more on TBM/RPing/C.J.
Message-ID: <199609292010.PAA12527-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

Hth wrote:
>>>Naaahhh.  I'd get sick of Valdemar eventually.  That's the nice thing
about books: no committment.  I can be four or five places in an
afternoon, no strings attatched.<<<

I never thought of it that way! Lemesee... Velgarth, Pern, Palenoc, Jenks
<grin>, 24th century <bigger grin>, etc....

>>>Besides, as someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be a Herald, so what
fun would it be?  I don't think I'd be much of a Bard, either -- I have
negative performance skills (I sing like a wounded mongoose), and the
chances are low I'd have the Bardic Gift, so while I'm relatively
creative, I just wouldn't be cool enough for the Collegium.  I couldn't
be an engineer.<<<

And besides, "glorious deeds get you glorious funerals." If you're a
Herald, the good die young, literally. And a wounded mongoose doesn't sing
-- it would scream! I'm not a fabulous singer, but I'm all right -- though
I don't think I'm Bard material.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Julie wrote:
>>>Thank you all for the comments on moving to Valdemar! Goes to prove we are
all pretty well grounded in reality! My professor figured that 50% of
people would go. I didnt think so. What would I do with my family? Bring
them with me? My kids wouldnt care, but my hubby would! Beside's what would
I tell the grandparents? No thanks, I'd miss my family and freinds too
much. And just think, no cars, Big Macs, no computers, no TV, no mass
produced books, no movies or videos, no grocery stores - and we wouldnt be
able to speak the language! Thanks, even with all the problems, I'll stay
here! (At least until they build up Mars or something. THEN I might leave!)<<<

As Fay Harper said, "Cars are a nice change from horses." I just finished
Jinx High -- FABULOUS! I loved it! But not having a computer would really
suck. No TV -- definitely would suck, but not as much as no Trek. And I'd
be so headblind, I'd be considered braindead!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sara wrote:
>>>Heck, I can recall when I 
was first reading the Herald-Mage trilogy when an ex-friendly 
acquaintance I'd recomended the series to called me a lesbian Jezebelle 
when she realized Vanyel was 'shaych. THEN she expected me to hit on her 
every time I saw her...and the religious freaks say fantasy readers 
can't stay focused on reality!!!<<<

Religious freaks are just that -- freaks! I had a former friend, who on the
night of the Christmas concert last year, started preaching to me about
Jesus loves you, God loves you, what-ever-else-the-heck loves you, etc.,
because I thought the religious content in the songs were very unrealistic,
and that I considered the Bible to be a nicely written piece of fiction.
She went *off*, and she totally freaked out, because I was of a "weird"
religion (which is, BTW, my own little blend of Shintoism, Wicca, and
Zoroastrism). I know that it's rather strange for her that someone could be
an unbeliever of Christianity, but I think she finally figured out that I'm
not a Satanist.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lady Silvermoon wrote:
>>>Would you go if this could happen?<<<

If I could be a Bard, heck yeah! But I'd have to be a darned good one at
that, because, IIRC according to Stefen, you need a good patron to have a
nice living, and for that, you have to be more than average. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Firemist wrote:
>>>Well, if we are all doomed to go to hell for RPing, I say 'who wants to go to
heaven anyway?' Can't drink, can't have sex unless your procreating, probably 
don't let you eat chocolate since everything else fun means your 
instanteously hell-bound. . . So, pack up your dice, grab a bag of your favorite
junk food, and converge on some poor slobs house and RP in their living room
until they go crazy! <evil snicker><<<

All right! They'd probably send me to hell for Trekking, because everything
else fun is your ticket to hell. I used to D&D, but since I'm too busy to
do anything with it, I quit. What other RPs are there that's pretty
widespread? 

>>>I wonder what really does happen to people in Valdemar who go against the
>>>'No 
true, one way' rule? do they go straight to hell (or the equivalent there
of, like 
being reborn a slug in a sadist's garden who pours salt in a circle around
you and
you either starve or die slowly and painfully)? I always thought Deity was 
supposed to be a caring sort, and forgiving, and didn't have rules like 'three 
strikes and you're out.' hmmm....<<<

Yeah, really. And I think that Deity is supposed to be flexible and not try
to force-convert a believer of some other religion. The people or Deity in
Valdemar think Mero's religion is strange, but they don't bombard him with
the "you must believe in this-and-that" crap.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What is Keltia? It sounds really nice.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okay, I just saw a new C.J. Cherryh book -- about Lois and Clark! I just
might start reading her stuff because of that; I love L&C about as much as
I love Trekking. Tell me if anyone's read the book yet, and what others I
should read by C.J. Cherryh.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wow! 13 messages, and I already have a braid! This is fabulous!

Love and everything else fun,
Summersong, sometimes Spiffy the Cat, griping because she missed the first
hour and last 15 minutes of "ST: The Motion Picture"


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