MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 854 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: questions, questions by Ken Hyde 2) Morality and Ritual by "Hth." 3) Re: The Big Move to Velgarth by Suncat 4) Re: Monks/Firesong by Bob Dietel 5) Florian!!!!!! by Rozanna McNeer 6) Re: Morality and Ritual by Disney 7) Re: Florian!!!!!! by Disney 8) hi! by "callis, stephanie d" 9) Re: Florian!!!!!! by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 10) Re: Florian!!!!!! by em 11) Re: Florian!!!!!! by "E. Angell" 12) Re: Florian!!!!!! by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" 13) Re: Florian!!!!!!/Swordspoint by Mat the Cat in Green 14) Re: Florian!!!!!!/Re: Morality by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com 15) Life's Flame/Urban Fantasy by Mat the Cat in Green 16) Florian's identity -- once again by "Valerie Sanford" 17) Florian as a "fathead?" by "Valerie Sanford" 18) All Your Questions Answered, $29.95 by "Hth." 19) Florian by haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu 20) Paul by "Hth." 21) Florian and stuff by Disney 22) Braid: honourable men/ by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" 23) Lores, the poor guy by "Hth." 24) re: Braid: honourable men/ by Ailsa Reid 25) Fantasy universes by Ainsworth ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: questions, questions Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 1996 GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu wrote: > Hey! I'm new, (that means you have to be nece to me). I just have a few > questions. #1 - what is an obmisty? #2 - wht is a braid? Probably > the answers are as obvious as what a spoiler is (it only took me 20 > messages to figure that one out!) Hello! Welcome to the group! This is so cool! A TU person on the list! Yeah! (I'm an alumn). An ObMisty is an obligatory reference to Misty's work, in an attempt to make an off-topic post slightly relevant (and appease our beloved listmistress, Auntie Mel). A braid is what you get when you take several messages from different conversational threads, cut and paste them together into a single post, and put in your own responses. it is one way to keep down the number of posts (on a normal day, you might get upwards of 75 posts). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 15:51:25 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: Morality and Ritual Message-ID: <01OCT96.17125602.0017.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> See, here is a perfect example. Wintershard and I would probably agree on the basic precepts of what is right and wrong in life, but we obviously disagree on plenty of things. The truths are the same, but our choices are different. Not, I would say, because either of us is more highly evolved or understands truth better. In the case of the cancer-thingie (which I agree is not a realistic scenario; it's just one of those things that's supposed to make you think), he would not choose to kill one person, while I would. I think that *both* killing a person and allowing people to die when you could prevent it are Really Bad. But in that hypothetical situation, you're either doing one or the other. Which to choose? That's up to you, according to what you think is best and what you can live with. I don't know, though. I still think it's a Good Thing to feel a *little* badly after you kill someone. Even if you don't think of them as human (as in the Hitler example), the truth is that they are. Hitler might not have been a very good human, but his humanity is not something we can just kind of wish away. Likewise with someone trying to kill you. Yes, I'd kill someone to save my own life, but I'm not going to feel great about it, because it *is* still killing a human. While you may feel that in that situation you had "no choice," you really truly did have a choice. There's always a choice. But there aren't always a lot of good choices. I feel like once you've made the decision to care about and protect human life, it's kind of cheating to start talking about who counts as human and who has forfeited the right to count as human. But that's the choice I've made while trying to be a good person, and Wintershard makes his choice, and so on down to all of us. Now it sounds like I'm on the "individual morality" side, doesn't it? Not exactly. I'm just allowing people their free will in the grey areas Like I said before, I try not to slap anyone down too hard for doing what they think is right, when they do it with good intentions and in the service of Truth. And on the topic of ritual, can I point out that "ritual" does not necessarily mean "long, involved, and labrynthine." Using circle-casting as an example, there are 30 minute circle castings and 1 minute circle castings, but guess what? It's *all* ritual. The very fact that you worship inside a demarcated circle is ritual. The fact that you acknowledge four directions (assuming you do -- not all pagans do) is ritual. The fact that you meet at x specified time for x reason is ritual. Lighting a candle can be ritual -- in the right state of mind, weeding a garden can be ritual -- just as much as a Catholic high mass is ritual. Ritual is an outer structure that focuses us and prepares our minds to move from one state of consciousness to another -- in the case of religion, it generally prepares us to enter a state where we feel more closely connected to whatever power or divinity we hope to connect with. It does not indicate that you are insufficiently spiritual or don't have a close relationship with whomever. I think a well-balanced spirituality requires both ritual and -- er, whatever you call not-ritual. Times when you're in contact with your power of choice spontaneously and without...uh, ritual. Boy, is this ever a massive breakdown in vocabulary. See, reality does this to me whenever I start to feel particularly articulate and expressive. Keeps me humble. Mostly. Badgered and Bewildered, HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Suncat To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The Big Move to Velgarth Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 Soljan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Hth writes: > << Besides, as someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be a Herald, so what > fun would it be? I don't think I'd be much of a Bard, either -- I have > negative performance skills (I sing like a wounded mongoose), and the > chances are low I'd have the Bardic Gift, so while I'm relatively > creative, I just wouldn't be cool enough for the Collegium. I couldn't > be an engineer. >> > > Would I go if I could? I agree with Heather and the others...if we > couldn't have Gifts, be Heralds, Bards or Healers, what would be the > point? Unless we went to the Collegium as a Blue, it would be pretty > crummy. I couldn't be an engineer either. Now, if we could go and have one > of our existing qualities maginified, would you go? Like, I'm the goddess > of sensitivity, if I could have that magnified to Empathy, I might go. I'm > also a good singer, and I don't sound like a wounded mongoose. I'm not star > material, but I'm good. If I could be an average Bard, I would definately > go. > Would you go if this could happen? > > Lady Silvermoon > I've thought about this a lot, and I can say yes, I'd go. But only if I could, as Silvermoon says, have some sort of skill magnified. I play the saxophone fairly well, but I really doubt they have those there. I'm also ok at math, so I guess I could be an engineer. I'd like to think I'd be Chosen, but that's just wishful thinking. Other than that, I really don't have any skills that would useful in Valdemar, except my ability with numbers, which might make me an engineer. Wouldn't it be bad to HAVE to go, and end up as a servant? That would really ruin my day. Suncat -=-patw-+AT+-clark.edu-=-Suncat Trevavyska-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Unknown -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 14:17:10 -0700 From: Bob Dietel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monks/Firesong Message-ID: <32518A56.2586-+AT+-edmonds.wednet.edu> Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU wrote: > > Man, I had to respond to this if only to use the subject header. :) [snip,snip] >The Old Testament was written by Jews. The New Testament was written by Early > Christians, most of whom were (probably, but not necessarily) originally Jewish. > This may be what HTH means when she refers to "Jewish Reformers." [Since my own background includes a divinity degree from the Graduate Theological Union, Berkeley, I just gotta stick my two cents' worth in.] St Luke is widely considered to be non-Jewish, likely Cilician instead, as you correctly hinted. The author of the original apocalypse that forms the middle portion of Revelation is, however, anything but a reformer, coming as she/he does from the heart of 2nd-temple apocalyptic. > I would like to point out that Paul, whose letters make up the bulk of the New > Testament, is the basis for all those spiffy celibacy ideas. He's a > nototorious...uh...not-fan of women in general. Oh yeah...St Paul is SO misogynist. Ever wonder what happened to his wife? NO MENTION ANYWHERE of her in either his own writing or those attributed (loosely) to him. Yet, as a Sanhedrin member, he HAD to have had a wife. Did he divorce her? Leave her home barefoot in the kitchen while he gallivanted across southern Europe? >Although there is evidence of > later tampering with the original Epistles, Paul was a Zealot, both in his > initial persecution of Christianity and in his later missionary work on its > behalf. Paul certainly ACTED like a zeolot, but when he goes to quote or steal a phrase, he does so from STOIC literature. I wonder why? > So, if Paul gave up women, he believed that every other good Christian should > too. (*Insert compulsory "misery loves company" comment here.*) > But look at all the young MEN that keep cropping up in his letters. Timothy? Titus? John Mark? [the last was barely into adolescence when he started touring with Paul]. Hmmmm, don't suppose Paul was she'enedra, was he? [NB! ObMisty here!] > > (And loving your neighbor isn't > >in the 10 Commandments. It's a distinctly Christian idea; [snip] > Well, it's not in the 10 commandments, but the original loving your neighbor > commandment is actually in the Old Testament, it's just an obscure and little > used reference. Happens that too many people from too many parts of the Israelite culture over too many years are writing in Tanaach. Even though HESED, the love of neighbor and love of justice, is a huge part of the OT, another huge part is the eye-for-an-eye bit. Recall, for instance, how the "old friends" of Job get in his face about how the Lord is visiting Job with retribution for some sloppiness on Job's part. Tovah l'shanah! --Darktears ________________________________________________________________________ Bob Dietel -- CLIP/MDHS dietelb-+AT+-freemark.com dietelb-+AT+-edmonds.wednet.edu 206.670.7311x5418; fax 206.670.7655 6002--168th St SW, Lynnwood, WA 98037-2799 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:55:26 -0400 From: Rozanna McNeer To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Florian!!!!!! Message-ID: <199610011755_MC1-9F9-8762-+AT+-compuserve.com> I THINK I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! The honest fathead from LHM - what was his name? Lores? -> Florian? Maybe? what did he look like ? Help!!!! Firemist, who just spilled hot tea all over herself when this bolt came out of the blue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 16:55:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Disney To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Morality and Ritual Message-ID: <01IA4WGBPIZ4004F0L-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> ACK!!!! I feel like I'm in Philosophy 101!!!!!! I know this stuff is really important, but either make it relevant (add an obMisty or something!) or use private mail. If I want to read completely philosophic mail I'll join a philosophy mailing list or take the class offered here in college. __________________________________________________________________________ Enough ranting....Sorry, I read this stuff thinking there's a relation to Misty, and when it's not... ANYWAY... :) Destinies are hard things to live with...To quote Vanyel (LHM?. He said "Glorious destinies get you glorious funerals." I think that if a person really has a 'glorious' (or not so glorious) destiny they won't know that they're following a written path. *srednop* ok, may be I'm wrong *giggle* After all, Elspeth realized that she was being herded...But maybe that's just cause it was the wrong 'glorious destiny'. ********* I (ok, maybe I have been doing too much Trekking myself :>) do believe in alternate universes...I have a great imagination, and sometimes imagine like falling into a pothole, hitting my head or something and finding myself in Pern or Valdemar. I'd probably be a normal person, *pout* but I'd like to visit sometime. Maybe my imagination will take me there. ALL ABOARD! Jen's Imagination train will be leaving the station in 5 minutes! *laugh* Anyway, jennie "Disneyworld" worshipper of the Mouse All HAIL the MOUSE! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 17:04:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Disney To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!! Message-ID: <01IA4WQO0IP6004F0L-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> Firemist wrote: " " I THINK I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! The honest fathead from LHM - what was his name? Lores? -> Florian? Maybe? what did he look like ? Help!!!! -------- All I can say is, God I hope not! Not like I've read SB or anything, but Lores as a Companion would have to be SCARY! Tell me that Firemist is wrong! *cry* *giggle* Jennie "Disneyworld" worshipper of the Mouse All HAIL the MOUSE! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:21:43 EST5EDT From: "callis, stephanie d" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: hi! Message-ID: <223CC95CC2-+AT+-ed.concord.wvnet.edu> I also just joined the list. I just fairly recently started reading Misty's books, so I don't know too much about Velgarth yet. I'm working on it. I _have_ however, read some of the urban fantasies ( the elves!) and if anybody would like to discuss them, I would be more than willing. Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:30:24 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!! Message-ID: <199610012230.PAA11984-+AT+-latimes.com> At 11:05 PM 10/1/96 +0100, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > >I THINK I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! > >The honest fathead from LHM - what was his name? Lores? -> Florian? Maybe? >what did he look like ? Help!!!! > Ah! Now that's a definite possibility! Which book was he in? Danya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:06:13 -0500 From: em To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!! Message-ID: >At 11:05 PM 10/1/96 +0100, Rozanna McNeer wrote: >> >>I THINK I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>The honest fathead from LHM - what was his name? Lores? -> Florian? Maybe? >>what did he look like ? Help!!!! >> >Ah! Now that's a definite possibility! Which book was he in? > >Danya NOOOOO!!!! I could never really bring myself to like Lores, and I *do* like Florian. Besides, why would Misty change his character traits so much between incarnations? I find it hard to believe that Lores and Florian are one in the same. I still subscribe to the "Florian is a new character" club, not to belittle your moment of revelation, but the connection is tenuous at best. I think Lores is in MP, the herald who thought Tashir and his new companion were demons. please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but if I'm right, you'll have to give me sopme more evidence before I believe that he became Florian many, many years later. Emily_Marso-+AT+-Brown.edu "May you sleep upon your gentle companion's breast"-Sappho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Angell" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!! Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > > I THINK I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The honest fathead from LHM - what was his name? Lores? -> Florian? Maybe? > what did he look like ? Help!!!! > > Firemist, who just spilled hot tea all over herself when this bolt came out of the > blue... Whoa...that's about the best idea I've heard so far, name-wise. And although Lores was a real asshole in LHM, a couple of centuries being reincarnated & such could really mellow ya out...unles you're Ma'ar, of course. ;-) Zhai'helleva, 'S e do bheatha, & other nice things, Raindancer "I have been nothing but compassionate and understanding. I mean, all you had to do was admit that you were wrong and I was right and everything would have been fine." -Ivanova, Babylon 5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:42:39 +0930 From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!! Message-ID: <9610020012.AA38442-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au> Lores as Florian - yes he was an idiot and he did try to whip Ghost - BUT if one subscribes to incarnations developing one's character then perhaps Florian has developed past his problems in the LHM. Mind you he wasn't a young man then but that is not always the case when they come back either, see Ylsa as she appears to Talia in AotQ after she dies. So maybe he is Florian. Making up for past mistakes - perhaps.... Wind to thy Wings Listsibs Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:27:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!!/Swordspoint Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, em wrote: > tenuous at best. I think Lores is in MP, the herald who thought Tashir and But they're *all* abbreviated MP. You meant MPromise. obMisty: Umm, I ordered a CD copy of Shadow Stalker yesterday because my tape broke? Yes, weak, but the list is slow anyway. obSwordspoint: So far it's pretty good. I like the fact that homosexuality doesn't even seem to be an issue. It's not a plot point, it just is. (Well, so far anyway.) Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"I looked across the battlefield, blood Adept, and God of Procrastination| seeping from my wounds. My comrades, mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | they did never yield. For courage http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| knows no bounds." - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:46:38 -0400 From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Florian!!!!!!/Re: Morality Message-ID: <961001204638_534788656-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> Lores as Florian. Hmmm . . . definitely possible. However, I still think Medren is more likely. Either that, or he's a completely new character. Nahh, Danya's right, he's just too familiar. I wish I could figure out who he was, this is soooo frustrating! Okay, now Jennie was complaing about the philosophizing . . . Sorry . I can't speak for the others, but I'll try to confine it to private from now on. Promise . Blessed Be, NightShade aka ShadowJaz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Life's Flame/Urban Fantasy Message-ID: > From: Jake > All right. I FINALLY (after three weeks.. argh!) finished listening to > Life's Flame, and I suggest it OVER Wanderlust and Midsummer. Even though > it's just Heather Alexander with guitar and fiddle, still, it is so > amazingly moving and emotional that it tops over her other work. Ah, but is it better than the Live cassette? That's just Heather with guitar and fiddle too. I REALLY want my copy of Life's Flame! When I reordered Shadow Stalker yesterday, and Teri Lee told me that they have L'sF, I was sooo tempted. But, I already ordered it from Seafire (who still haven't even cashed the check! I sent it in the first week in September!!!!!) Argh. ===================================================================== > From: GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu > Oh, question #3 - no one seems to talk about her urban fantasy stuff much > is there another place for discussing that? > If you have anything to say about the urban fantasy stuff, just say it. The only reason we talk so much about the Velgarth stuff is b/c there's so much of it. How much discussion can you get when there's only one, two, or three books with each charcter? [ignore the fact that Talia, Elspeth and all only get a trilogy each. They all at least have connections between books. The urban stuff only has a sentence, or a chapter connecting them] Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"I looked across the battlefield, blood Adept, and God of Procrastination| seeping from my wounds. My comrades, mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | they did never yield. For courage http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| knows no bounds." - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 02:48:06 UT From: "Valerie Sanford" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Florian's identity -- once again Message-ID: Some one said: >I toyed with the idea that we haven't seen Florian's human form yet, but >something about his human desription sounds way too familiar. And, >Florian's sister's name is Idry (SR). That's a bit of a giveaway, but it >also raises the question of whether or not non-Heralds can be reincarnated >into Companions. If that is possible, then Florian could be Idra's brother >Stefanson, but I can't find a physical description of him. Any thoughts? This thought coincides with mine. I went back to Oathbreakers to look for the description and lo and behold - had lent my book out. BUT... if we remember, Stefanson was 'called' by the sword and Herald Roald protected him inside Valdemar. Also, Warrl trusted him. So ... it is certainly possible. If anyone can find a physical description ... pass it on please. I can't remember who I loaned my book too and I'm too cheap to go buy another copy when I know I have one - sort of. I think that Rethwellen and Valdemar have been co-mingling their rulers and protectors for a long time so it doesn't seem unreasonable that a Rethwellen ruler wold be a Hearald - take Darren for instance. Oh well. Off to dinner. Thanks Val ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 04:58:06 UT From: "Valerie Sanford" To: "mercedes lackey list" Subject: Florian as a "fathead?" Message-ID: It was suggested that Florian could be Lores == from Magic's Promise. Well - I went searching. Can't find a description of that honest fathead anywhere in the copy. Except that he's a royal pain in the a.... His personality isn't consistent with Florians. Can a fathead really get that much "enlightenment" in haven? This is bugging me. In reading the list postings, I have found several references to Velgarth. I am confused. Is this the whole world of Mercedes Lackey, or is this the greater-valdemar area or what/where exactly is this. My friend and I have returned to the "Mecedes Cast of Characters" project, and have tried to fill in a few blanks. Here's what we've come up with: Shavri: Annie McDowel Tantras: Gary Olman Ancar favorite: Brad Pitt Moondance: Michael Dorn just some thoughts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 23:45:06 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: All Your Questions Answered, $29.95 Message-ID: <01OCT96.25651832.0064.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> Welcome, Tiffanie. Nonono, being new does not mean we have to be nice to you. It means we can mock and ridicule you, because you have no friends here yet and no one will stand up for you. Fortunately, we are honorable men. They were all, all honorable men. ObMisty means Obligatory Misty, and it usually means that the whole post was totally off-topic but the author feels vaguely ashamed of that and is seeking to redeem herself in the eyes of God and the Mistylist by saying something that might vaguely be construed as a reference to the works of Mercedes Lackey, no matter how lame or irrelevant that comment may be. Somehow, though, we keep managing to hammer a good discussion out of those ObMistys. Most of the time. A braid is a post that contains brief comments on several threads of discussion that are going on simultaneously. This saves all of us from having to read eight different messages by the same person, all of them five lines long. We usually string all topics together in the header, thusly: Thing/Question/Comment/Stuff/Whatever but sometimes a creative name emerges -- something like Braid Eats Tokyo or whathaveyou. This tells us nothing about the post, but it's amusing, and we often don't know exactly what we're talking about until we start. Sometimes after, too, but that's another story. Hey! This is fun! This is the only Mistylist (though there's a newsgroup, right?), and we do sometimes discuss the urban fantasies. I think one or two people even said something one day about Fire Rose. But a lot of people on the list haven't read everything Misty ever wrote (which is BadBad, but hey, we haven't been stuck with a copy of the Silver Gryphon either, so hahahaha on you guys), and are familiar with Valdemar but not the urban fantasies. I don't know that we have anyone who hasn't read at least a couple of the Valdemar books. Welcome to the party. If someone mentions Bippy, don't ask, because Jake hates that. If someone mentions sheep, feel free to jump right in with obscenity and innuendo; some people hate that, too, but we don't care as much about them. If you want to be a goddess, just tell Lady Thess what you claim as your Sphere of Influence, bribe her with imaginary gifts, and stick your new title on your sig. If you want Vanyel's body, you can join the Ladies of the Pink Wand -- unless you're a man (which I gather you're not), because Cennydd is the only man, AFAIK, they've let in the club yet. He's kinda the auxiliary. Not to be confused with the artillery, though he can be kind of a bitch -- kidding, Cen! Just kidding! As for the Ladies in Green, Cat People, Men in Black, Sunbolts, and other clubby-sounding things, they're MageWar things, which is a separate list, and kind of like a Misty roleplaying thing, except not, because that would be illegal. Some of them have Mistyish personae, but some of them don't, and anyway it's a separate list. Nothing to panic about. See? This isn't so *hard.* You know half of what I do already. My advice for you is to just plunge in and answer questions and stuff. That's how I got started. In fact, I was dead wrong about the first question I answered, and I went on to be Almost Always Right. So you see, you can hardly screw it up. And if you say something really stupid, no one will flame you, which is the great thing about this list. We'll just laugh at you behind your back in private e-mail with the people you were trying to impress when you said that stupid thing. We're friendly that way. Badgered and basted, HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 20:42:21 EST From: haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Florian Message-ID: <009A9361.8221483E.310-+AT+-earlham.edu> Heyla! A while ago I was thinking that Florian could have been Lores but Lores was too annoying? I changed my mind on that because they seemed alike but quite different. I suppose that Lores could have had a change of personality after being reincarnated several times. *raised eyebrow* On the topic of average age for the list... I am 19. I guess that's a little young for the average age here. I have a question. Could someone explain to me a little bit more about the pagan/Wicca religion? I don't know much about it and would like to know more about it since I feel really silly not knowing. E-mail me privately at haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu. Thank you so much!! (it's nothing urgent, just something that I would like to know at some point *grin*) Homework and college life are stamping their little feet and demanding attention so I need to go now. Lady Wildcat, Lady of most things kittenish, dumb luck, and blue roses ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 00:34:03 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: Paul Message-ID: <02OCT96.00613025.0016.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> Stop attributing that stuff to Paul, okay? He didn't write it. What he did do was travel with a woman (whose name, curse it, I've forgotten at the moment) whom he praised to the skies and spoke of as his equal and his partner. What he did write was that in Christ all are one, and the distinctions between Jew and Greek, male and female, free and slave are useless and of no importance to God. The later letter's are *not Paul's writing.* Every serious Biblical scholar will agree on that point. Sorry. I just get cheesed to see the poor guy being abused, yet again, for things he never said and probably never would have said. That's it, though. I'm dragging myself back ontopic, because none of this has anything to do with Mercedes Lackey. I get wound up, but I'm cool now. Badgered and barbequed, HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 01:07:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Disney To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Florian and stuff Message-ID: <01IA5DKPOKGK004E6R-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> I think that someone's (the sands of time has erased the name from my box) idea that Florian was Tylendel sounded pretty valid. Course, I haven't read ANY of those Storm books *cry* but from what I've read here, sounds pretty good. After all, Lendel and Stef were two completely different people just one was reincarnated into the other..If the Stef persona is in Sorrows (and for all I know, he's not anymore *grin*) then where would the Lendel half be? Of course, I could be way off in left field here. :) I was also wondering about all this Velgarth stuff. Is that the name of the planet or whatever? (it took me a while to figure out that 'misty' is just a nickname. I thought It was a different person altogether! *hide*) Brad Pitt as Ancar, hmmm? How bout Christian Slater? He could easily have that evil eye look that I'd picture Ancar as having. And Steven Segal for Alberich..What about ....oh, what's her name from _Beetleguise_ and that girls baseball movie? (what's her name??) for like Selenay? She could have a "queenly" look. *srednop* I was wondering, since everywhere else I go, I'm like a Mouse worshipper, If I could officially be the Goddess of the Mouse...Here at home, it's like a nickname for me..(at 19, I collect disney movies! *blush* :>) Disneyworld isn't my nickname for nothin! *giggle* BTW: sorry about my earlier post-bitch about all that philosophy stuff. It may have been a bit outta line for a newbie. past my bedtime, so "hi ho, hi ho, it's off to bed I go!" *heehee* Jen "Disneyworld" worshipper of the Mouse All HAIL the MOUSE! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:34:45 +0930 From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: honourable men/ Message-ID: <9610020704.AA80234-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au> Hth wrote >Welcome, Tiffanie. Nonono, being new does not mean we have to be nice to you. It means we can mock and ridicule you, because you have no friends here yet and no one will stand up for you. > Fortunately, we are honorable men. They were all, all honorable men. That's it! I refuse to be honorable and I refuse to be a man! I like being a woman - all of me likes to be a woman. So much evil has been done in the name of honour that I'm not sure I want to be honourable either. So list sibs what is your definition of honour and how do you and how do heralds define it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sokay, Tiffanie - As a relatively newbie my self - Very hearty welcome - I have found this list to be most enlightening, encouraging and FUN!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Lady Thessaly, Can I be Ahecate - the Goddess of Unknowledge, Presence & Lavender Rain please................ Tell me your costs and I will pay it in VR of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda (soon to be - as above) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:56:09 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: Lores, the poor guy Message-ID: <02OCT96.03171013.0018.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> People, where do you get this exclusively negative image of Lores? Calling him everything from a fathead to an asshole, intimating that he can't possibly be Florian because Florian is likeable? RECALL, that our own dear Vanyel placed a lot of trust in Lores, leaving him in a prominent position in Tashir's court. RECALL that he was a Herald of Valdemar, and we saw him do ONE BAD THING, for which he was *not* repudiated. RECALL that the "honest fathead" quote was Savil talking, and Savil was the crotchety type, in contrast to the more levelheaded Vanyel, who, I'll say it again, trusted Lores' judgement, his wisdom, and his leadership. He was a good man. Darn it. Badgered, HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:34:09 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Braid: honourable men/ Message-ID: <199610020834.JAA21802-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda said: >Hth wrote >>Welcome, Tiffanie. Nonono, being new does not mean we have to be nice to >you. It means we can mock and ridicule you, because you have no friends >here yet and no one will stand up for you. >> Fortunately, we are honorable men. They were all, all honorable men. > >That's it! I refuse to be honorable and I refuse to be a man! I like being a >woman - all of me likes to be a woman. So much evil has been done in the >name of honour that I'm not sure I want to be honourable either. >So list sibs what is your definition of honour and how do you and how do >heralds define it? Also welcome Tiffanie :> Defining honour is a bit tricky. Far as I can work out, it's doing what is "right" at the time. Like saving a kids life no matter who they grow up to be, cos it could be Hitler mark II, but it could be the exact opposite. (That was a _theoretical_ extreme example) It could also be called not cheating, not lying (except maybe the social lies :> ), obeying the laws of the land, and being kind to small children and animals ;> This is starting to read like how to play a paladin! (Or a herald?) I couldn't do that all the time. ObMisty: There are gryphons and basilisks, but I don't think we've seen any dragons or unicorns on Velgarth (Unless there are some in SB, which is out here next week *bounce* ) Ailsa the eternally broke, pesterer of personnel and beloved of Lemming the Fluffy ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid | | Take the hidden paths which run, | | areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk West of the moon, East of the sun. | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:12:45 +1200 (NZST) From: Ainsworth To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Fantasy universes Message-ID: <199610021012.WAA13023-+AT+-ihug.co.nz> On the subject of moving to fantasy universes, (yes I would go), I would just like to point out how many people in history have taken what is basically a no return trip to another world. In the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries there were many people who made the choice to permanently leave their home country with no possiblity of returning. I live in New Zealand, which was colonised mainly by English people in the 19th century. At that time, only the very rich could afford to return to England if they wanted to. For most of the colonists, it was a one way journey. The idea of taking a no return trip only seems signifigant in these days of cheap air travel, with places that were once far away now being only hours travel away. Maybe we are biologically programed to search out new life forms and go where no man has gone before? Question: What exactly is wiccan religion? ObMisty: I have just finished Elvenblood. I found it to be well written. Maybe Misty should only write collaborations until she can get back on form? salutations, Rachel ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 854 *********************************