MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 885 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Evalie by Rozanna McNeer 2) RE: Recycling by "Valerie Sanford" 3) RE: Evalie by "Valerie Sanford" 4) Re: Recycling by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 5) Re: Skif and Nyara/SB SPOILER by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin) 6) newbies/Red Cross/Recycling/Elanie/Random Messages by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 7) Re: Feistfans and advice by Johanna Latham 8) Re:Evalie/order of books by JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: Recycling by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu 10) Here another thought. by Lori 11) Re:Evalie/order of books by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 12) Re: Evalie/order of books by erikaplajer-+AT+-juno.com (Erika Plajer) 13) Re: Here another thought. by ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com 14) The Twins by ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com 15) Re: Here another thought. by 58HERZ-+AT+-CUA.EDU 16) Re: Here another thought. by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 17) Re: Rusalka by Ken Hyde 18) Re: Recycling by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 19) Re: Recycling by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 20) Re: Recycling by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 21) Re:Evalie/order of books by Ken Hyde ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:49:49 -0400 From: Rozanna McNeer To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: Evalie Message-ID: <199610172351_MC1-AFF-BA0F-+AT+-compuserve.com> In response to Spencer's query do people really write themselves into books etc. I know when I was a kid I didn't have too many friends because I read. So the characters in the books became my friends. I would make up stories about them which included me, either as one of the characters, or creating a new one to be me in the story. And sometimes I would get lost when reading a book (usually in a desperate situation like Vanyel's last stand) and imagine how things would have turned out differently if *I* had been there. 'here comes rozanna to save the day again (cheers)' So naturally I assumed that this is exactly what Talia did in the beginning of Arrows. I know that I was perfectly capable of sitting with an open book in my hands and not turning a page for hours while saving Jaelle and Magda when they are trapped in the caves in Thendara House, or standing up to Broud when he beats Ayla in Clan of the Cave Bear. I imagine if I had read the Arrows books at that same age, I too would have given myself a Companion and visited justice on Talia's sadistic brother, or imagined myself as being her friend and stopping the blues from tormenting her. didn't anyone else do this too? Firemist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 04:28:50 UT From: "Valerie Sanford" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Recycling Message-ID: A few corrections: Eldan was a Herald from 1st time Kero and he met in Karse. Remember when they were trapped in the cave and became lovers? Remember when she snuck out and Eldan's Companion measured her? It was Daren who was chosen with Kero. And if you'll remember back to Arrows Fall, you'll see that all companions, even those not chosen, fight in battle. During the Battle with Ancar in BTS, Valdemar is fighting for its very existence. Every companion, plus the mercenaries, Darren and Ancar's leftover troops are needed to defeat the advance. So ... I think the companions were alerted from before through Eldan's companion to be on the watch for Kero. Also, I think they were alerted to Darren as a possible Herald from when Dirk and Talia visited Rethwellan to ask for their help. Their companions would have had a chance to re-check Kero and look at Darren. As for wearing tack, non-chosen companions will carry others in battle and would need tack I think. As for Heralds disappearing into thin air - in battle if the Herald dies, wouldn't the companion carry on until it was over, then follow his/her chosen to Haven. I don't think they would re-choose except in rare cases. Yfades seemed to indicate just that in MPrice when she took Stefan back to get the guard, saying "I'll see Valdemar safe then follow you to Haven." ---------- From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk on behalf of Perry Rose Sent: Thursday, October 17, 1996 8:37 PM To: Valerie Sanford Subject: Re: Recycling Alamarana8-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-10-17 18:33:21 EDT, you write: > > >> What do you think: Companions choose their Herald because the Companion > was > >> that Herald in a past life? > > >Unless the spirit itself splits and when the Herald-Companion bond is > >initiated, it is like the spirit rejoining itself? That could also help > >with why the Companion and Herald die together. > > Dyana > The Heralds and Companions die together? But...but...what about in _By the > Sword_ > in that battle when Kerowyn and Eldan were chosen? Those Companions were in > the middle of the battle, so I'm assuming that they HAD Heralds. And I'm > also assuming that the Heralds just didn't dissapear into thin air and that > the Companions wouldn't be so eager to choose their Heralds as to wander into > the middle of a battle. > Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm chasing little circles around in my mind! > :P > > ~CassieI agree with the chasing circles, it's kind of a hard thing to get straight. In BTS, I never thought that Kerowyn and Eldan's companions had previously chosen. I don't see any reason why companions who haven't chosen can't leave the companions field if they want, and they were certainly needed during that battle, and if they maybe had tack on (I can't remember if they did or not) Rolan had his formal tack on when he went on his search in the start of AofQ. But this is all just an all-of-a-sudden thought. Dyana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 04:37:01 UT From: "Valerie Sanford" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Evalie Message-ID: ---------- From: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk on behalf of JAIME HATHAWAY Sent: Thursday, October 17, 1996 3:40 PM To: Valerie Sanford Subject: Re: Evalie Re: Lissa having been chosen by Evalie Lissa was never chosen - she was a member of the guard and had been to Haven, met with Heralds. Talia was just projecting into a story so she could belong to something ... be of value and fit in somewhere. We have clear evidence from the Van stories about Lissa and I find it hard to believe that the most powerful and famous Mage in Valdemar, let alone his family who still lives during Talia's times, wouldn't keep the basic storyline accurate. I mean, who hasn't placed themselves somewhere else, where they are in control and feel wanted. I "traveled" with Frodo and I "met" Aslan, Lucy and the crew. It's important to remember that Talia was very young, had suffered terrible terrible physical, emotional and spiritual abuse. It seems like projection would be very possible, especially given the strength of her gift - empathy - where she is later able to project her feelings, thoughts and actual personality onto others. Just my thoughts. > > >things that happened 700 years ago! So, who's to say the extra character > > >didn't appear because the story got screwed up (accidentally *or* on > > >purpose)? > > > > And I'm afraid I must disagree with you. two quick excerpts: > > > > "If anyone could have seen her thoughts at that moment, they would have > > known her to be even more of a misfit thean her reading implied." > > > > > > > > "Talia blinked, emerging abruptly from the spell her book had laid on > > her. She had been lost in the daydream her tale had conjured for her, but > > the dream was now lost beyond recall." > > > > If those don't prove it was only a dream, what could? > > > Yes, but I don't think those words are indicative of Talia writing herself > into the tale. While some people may put themselves into a story when they > read it, other do not. I don't ever stuff myself into a book while I'm > reading it. (I believe this is an argument which has been previously used > to prove that Talia wrote herself into the story) I don't see myself > interacting with the characters. However, I will become engrossed > in the story and it will seem extremely real to me. Couldn't the lines > you quoted mean that Talia was simply drawn away from the mundane world > by the wonder of the story in her book, rather than writing herself in > as a Herald? However, I am for the argument that the book was simply > inaccurate. It is said several times in the books that information > relating to magic is highly inaccurate in Valdemar and that is was impossible > to even talk about non-mind magic. > > Spencer > talia was daydreaming herself into the story: my 2 cents. > Oh, very clever, Worf. Eat any good books lately? --Q ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:30:00 -0700 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycling Message-ID: <199610180530.WAA14706-+AT+-latimes.com> At 04:13 AM 10/18/96 +0100, Alamarana8-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >The Heralds and Companions die together? But...but...what about in _By the >Sword_ >in that battle when Kerowyn and Eldan were chosen? Those Companions were in >the middle of the battle, so I'm assuming that they HAD Heralds. And I'm >also assuming that the Heralds just didn't dissapear into thin air and that >the Companions wouldn't be so eager to choose their Heralds as to wander into >the middle of a battle. Nope, they didn't have Heralds. They showed up knowing that their Chosen would be on the battlefield and in need of them. And I think you mean Daran (sp.). Eldan already had a Companion when Kero met him. Danya (not to be confused with Dyana ;->!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:26:42 -0400 From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Skif and Nyara/SB SPOILER Message-ID: >Stacy said: > I was wondering about Skif and Nyara. It seems like Misty >pretty much got rid of them when she decided she didn't have a plot >for them. We only see Skif in SW when they thwart the assasin. She >then mentions in SR that Skif and Nyara are back with K'Leshya >acting as sort of ambassadors. I really would like to hear more >about them. > I hope we will hear about them in Owlsflight. I really beginning to wonder what thats going to be about. Has anyone found out yet? Or are we asking too soon? ------------------------------------ BTW, your not going to beleive this, but I went to a used book store today and guess what I found? Someone had actually brought in a copy of STORM BREAKING and the store was selling it for 6 bucks! I just about cried. I went out and spent 20 and now they have it for 6! How depressing. I did pick up White Gryphon for 6 bucks and S & S IV for 1.75. So at least it had a few good points. -----------SB SPOILER BELOW----------SB SPOILER BELOW-------------------- > > Danya said: >Doesn't make sense. Need is going on to the Havens, and she wasn't in a mad >rush to get where she was going. Wherever Van, Stef and 'Fandes went was >time dependent. Sounds like they are all being born as mortals again to me. >If that turns out to be the case, Misty had better NOT bring Stef back as a >Herald and Van as his Companion! I'll throw the book further than across >the room if that happens! Those two deserve a chance to live "happily ever >after" for a change! > I think your right Danya. Some how I just have this feeling that Owlflight will have Van and Stef in it somewhere. Since I think (dont ask me why) that Owlfight will be about the Taylendras, perhaps thats what Van and Stef will be born as. They certainly do deserve a nice, somewhat peaceful life together! They certainly earned it! I just have to figure out where Yfandes fits into that picture. I wonder if they will remember who they were? Ok, thats it! Wind to thy wings! Julie (hope's to be) Goddess of Fields and Fens ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 01:40:31 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: newbies/Red Cross/Recycling/Elanie/Random Messages Message-ID: <199610180550.BAA16598-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Yes, there is Misty content in this post. COME OUT, COME OUT, WHEREVER YOU ARE. Herald Michal wrote: >>Okay, how many other newbies did I miss? Hope the VEVUWEC members have done their part? :)<< Me, for one. Read all about my name at the bottom of this message. I'm opinionated, so you'll probably get to read quite a few of my comments and get to know me in a short period of time, despite the fact that I insist on maintaining the fiction that I'm still lurking.. >>| Herald Michal Alderan Skysong, Chosen of Tyr |<< TYR? TYR? Would that bear any relationship to Tyrr of swimsuit fame? Weeeell, maybe not *fame*, but at least in the realm of competitive swimming. By the way, I do both comp. swimming and springboard diving, for anyone who might be trying to keep track of non-Misty hobbies of list members. RED CROSS AND DISCRIMINATORY QUESTIONS Speaking of non-Misty hobbies of list members, I'm working on organizing a letter-writing campaign to get question 15 on the American/Canadian Red Cross Blood Drive Questionnaire changed. I'm including this in this post because it seems like members here have open minds and an innate sense of justice and getting the right thing done, or at least voiced. This is the part of Question 15 that gets most people riled: For males: Have you ever had sex with another male, even once, since 1977? For females: Have you ever had sex with a male who has had sex with another male, even once, since 1977? Answering yes to either of these two questions automatically disqualifies a volunteer from donating blood as these are labelled high risk activities for acquiring HIV/AIDS. Now, before you go off foaming at the mouth looking for some poor hapless Red Cross Member to terrorize, let me warn you: they can't claim full responsibility for the questionnaire. That dubious honor rests mostly on the shoulders of the USFDA and the Bureau Biologique of Canada Health. If this looks like something you'd be interested in, please e-mail me privately (no need to further clutter this list with non-Misty), with RED CROSS in the subject. I'll get back as soon as possible. NOW, THAT MISTY I'VE BEEN PROMISING Dyana wrote: >>In BTS, I never thought that Kerowyn and Eldan's companions had previously chosen. I don't see any reason why companions who haven't chosen can't leave the companions field if they want, and they were certainly needed during that battle, and if they maybe had tack on (I can't remember if they did or not) Rolan had his formal tack on when he went on his search in the start of AofQ. But this is all just an all-of-a-sudden thought.<< I agree in that I didn't think that they had previously chosen. Also, just to contribute to the tack-no tack, I remember that Sayvil didn't have tack, because Kero was thinking stuff about her being a yellow horse, and about it not mattering whether a horse was saddled or not as far as she was concerned. Rolan had his tack on because he was searching for the MO-apparent, and also needed to be readily identifiable at Guard Posts. Sayvil and Eldan's-Companion-I-don't-remember-his-name-right-now (me having given my books to those needier than I when I moved (and at parents' threats)) were primarily at the battle to fight, and if they had some premonition that certain someones of Herald potential would be wandering onto the battle field, all the better! But you know what? This is all-of-a-sudden-thought, too. So sue me! Just don't curse me, pleeeeeeaaaaaaase? (Lady Thess, can I be Goddess of Whining? and Freaks and Hot Climes? Pleeeeeaaaase?) Re: Writing oneself into books/shows/fantasy in general No quotes, sorry. There's been enough quoted and requoted in the last few posts, though. A few someones were saying how they thought Talia was writing herself into the story in this whole Elanie conversation. I don't know, but I never actually changed storylines when I was reading books. I might have imagined what it would be like to meet one of the characters, or what I might have done in their shoes, but most often, I just relived what they did as if it were me, or, more likely, as if I were a "bug on the wall/in their mind" (can't let all the power of a main character get to my head, I have a large enough ego as it is). Thus, I would agree with the interpretation that the lines cited as textevd are indicative of Talia being disattached/at a remove from the world of "reality". I also therefore, agree with the whole "history fucks up over the course of 700 years" theory. (Don't forget my cute little K-Mart explanation, too). A lot of people have been mentioning their wish topics for future Velgarth Stories (Avenging Angles, Savil, etc.) Wouldn't these be great for short stories? (Well, we might need more for Savil - what with the Tayledras stuff and all) Then, they wouldn't even have to be written by Misty (not that I don't love her, it's just I can't wait to see what some different outlooks do with such a well develoed world). RANDOM MESSAGES Lady Thess? Are you there? If so, maybe I should be Goddess of parentheses or commas (Havens know I use them enough to bankrupt the average punctuator!) Jake, I loved your little introduction to the people in the neighborhood in Velgarth. I had one leeeeetle, eeeeeensy weeeeeensy problem. I couldn't get the tune right because I grew up in Saudi Arabia (Hot Climes!) and didn't see any of *that show* (yes, I do know which one) until maybe last year, and I only saw part of one episode. Oh, well. To the average person, I guess it's completely understandable. Jerry, awesome song/chant! Cool. I like. I won't bug you about the Great Barbeque Song. Oops. Michelle, congratulations on selling the painting! How does the "Pleased Painter Polka" go? Do you hold the inescapably-paint-spattered check aloft along with the paintbrushes? I'm a little confused. Well, that's it for now. Enjoy yourselves, and please restrain from ripping my post apart with reckless abandon -- stretching some things out over time definitely improves their flavor, or makes you realize how boring it really is to totally rip someone apart when you don't even know if they'll respond. Wind to thy Wings, Deniz Sarikaya a.k.a. (In rough order of conception) Flash Herald Aynur Sonmez Freak Bard Melanie I-don't-have-a-last-name-yet Free Bard Woodlark Red Dog Furry Rescuer Floating Angel and soon to be (I hope) Goddess of Freaks, Hot Climes, and whiiiiiining. When old age shall this generation waste, Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st, "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,"--that is all from Ode on a Grecian Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. Urn, John Keats ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:05:02 +1000 From: Johanna Latham To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Feistfans and advice Message-ID: <3266E5CD.599D-+AT+-ozemail.com.au> ajfabbey-+AT+-powerup.com.au wrote: > So where do I find Feistfans?!! :o (visual: mouth drooling ... ) > > Adrianne > > ajfabbey-+AT+-powerup.com.au You send a message to listproc-+AT+-cornell.edu leave subject blank and write SUBSCRIBE FEISTFANS-L in the body of the message! I'll look forward to seeing you there.:v) I came onto this list only having read a few of Misty's collaborations. Reading the posts made me desperate to get hold of more of her work. On Wednesday I bought Black Gryphon and finished it by Thursday morning. Now I'm stressing out because I have to wait til next Wednesday (payday) until I can get the next one! What would be the best thing for me to read next (especially considering the way in which the discussions have been going). I'd really like to join in, but I feel a bit ignorant. Thanks. -- Johanna Latham email:jdlatham-+AT+-ozemail.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:07:00 -0400 From: JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Evalie/order of books Message-ID: <961018060659_213851922-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com> I always thought Talia was dreaming herself into the story. Going back for textevd I find, "Keldar couldn't have picked a worse time; Herald Vanyel was alone, surrounded by the servants of Darkness, and no one knew his peril but his Companion and Bard Stefen." (p.9, DAW paperback). If the written story had someone else as narrator, wouldn't that sentence be "no one knew but Evalie, __________ (narrator's name here), and Bard Stefen"? Also, the Vanyel story is all in italics. When Talia runs away, she fantasizes a Herald coming to Sensholding to find her and invite her to become a Herald (p.21). That part is also all italicized. It's a parallel style - they are both Talia's fantasies. %%%%%%%%%%% On what order to read the books: I agree with Esmeralda - the order in which they were written is best: Arrows, then LHM. Last month one of my co-workers had a library copy of WoF on her desk, so we started talking. She hadn't read any of Misty's books before and was quite confused. So I lent her my copies of Arrows, LHM, and BTS. After she read the Arrows series she came to me and said "Everything makes so much more sense now. I know who the characters are." Now she is going back to the library to try WoF (which I don't own) again, and wants to know what other books Misty has written. Julia Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:28:45 -0500 (CDT) From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycling Message-ID: <199610181328.AA154125325-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> > The Heralds and Companions die together? But...but...what about in _By the > Sword_ > in that battle when Kerowyn and Eldan were chosen? Those Companions were in > the middle of the battle, so I'm assuming that they HAD Heralds. And I'm > also assuming that the Heralds just didn't dissapear into thin air and that > the Companions wouldn't be so eager to choose their Heralds as to wander into > the middle of a battle. > Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm chasing little circles around in my mind! > :P > I always thought that Jasan & Sayvil/Savil went into the battle to choose Deren and Kero...remember that each Companion showed up without a saddle. If they'd already had heralds who were killed in the fight, the Companions would have had saddles and possible battle armor/protectants. Eldan was already Chosen...IIRC, his Companion's name is Ratha. Nina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:58:19 -0700 From: Lori To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Here another thought. Message-ID: <32679B0B.499B-+AT+-nmsu.edu> Hi...It's me agian the person who likes to stick her foot in her mouth. In reading about Owlsflight DarkWInd brothers springs to mind. I don't know why. Just that he was the only one with bondbirds that were Owls. I also want to hear more and SKif and Nyara. Those happen to be two of my favorite Char. ALso ANy chance that Gwena is Savil? Lori...Still new and unsure. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 09:54:29 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Evalie/order of books Message-ID: <199610181403.KAA18994-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Julia wrote: >>I always thought Talia was dreaming herself into the story. Going back for textevd I find, "Keldar couldn't have picked a worse time; Herald Vanyel was alone, surrounded by the servants of Darkness, and no one knew his peril but his Companion and Bard Stefen." (p.9, DAW paperback). If the written story had someone else as narrator, wouldn't that sentence be "no one knew but Evalie, __________ (narrator's name here), and Bard Stefen"? Also, the Vanyel story is all in italics. When Talia runs away, she fantasizes a Herald coming to Sensholding to find her and invite her to become a Herald (p.21). That part is also all italicized. It's a parallel style - they are both Talia's fantasies.<< touche. I'm conceding the point. Just because I never did it doesn't mean Talia won't, it just means that I won't imagine her doing it. I could still keep fighting, and justify myself further in light of that textevd, but I won't. She also said: >>On what order to read the books: I agree with Esmeralda - the order in which they were written is best: Arrows, then LHM.<< I agree as well. AotQ is a good intro to Velgarth, then read all the books in order starting with LHM and rereading AotQ (depending on how good your memory is), and then going back for the Mage Wars when you feel confident in Velgarth and just can't stand all the references. If you can survive AotQ, you can read any Misty. Besides, reading them in this order lets you watch Misty develop her writing style as well as the characters. Now I have a question, how would you order the last few books (MageWars, Winds, and Storms)????? Here's another question. What do we know about Lyra and Kris? I haven't read SB, but I do know that they're twins, adored by Companions, and extremely jealous of the other when they think their gifts aren't different but equal. What are the differences between the two? What are their potentials, personalities? Does it matter? Love, Deniz Sarikaya, soon to be (I hope) Goddess of Freaks, whiiiiiiining, and Hot Climes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:23:41 EDT From: erikaplajer-+AT+-juno.com (Erika Plajer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Evalie/order of books Message-ID: <19961018.092303.7127.0.ErikaPlajer-+AT+-juno.com> On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:30:01 +0100 (BST) JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com writes: >On what order to read the books: I agree with Esmeralda - the order >in which >they were written is best: Arrows, then LHM. Last month one of my Eh? Didn't the Last Herald Mage trilogy come first? (I assume that is what LHM stands for :> ) In my opinion, reading anything BUT The Last Herald Mage first would totally ruin the stories. If I'd have known what happens to Vanyel in the end of Magic's Price, before I even read it, the ending wouldn't have been as *good* as it was. Just my opinion, let me know if I should stick my foot in my mouth now or later. :> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:36:48 +0000 From: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Here another thought. Message-ID: <199610181436.PAA02613-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com> > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:25:42 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > From: Lori > To: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com > Subject: Here another thought. > Hi...It's me agian the person who likes to stick her foot in her mouth. > In reading about Owlsflight DarkWInd brothers springs to mind. I don't > know why. Just that he was the only one with bondbirds that were Owls. That is exactly what I thought of too :) > I also want to hear more and SKif and Nyara. Those happen to be two of my > favorite Char. Personally they are my least favorite chars. Skif used to be a fun char when he was the scamp at the collegium, but I went of him during Winds. Probably because he had the bad taste to like that Brat of a princes Elspeth. >ALso ANy chance that Gwena is Savil? > Noooo! Savil is Sayvil , Kerowyn's companion. > Lori...Still new and unsure. > David ramsden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:40:42 +0000 From: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: The Twins Message-ID: <199610181440.PAA02808-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com> > Here's another question. > > What do we know about Lyra and Kris? I haven't read SB, but I do know that > they're twins, adored by Companions, and extremely jealous of the other when > they think their gifts aren't different but equal. What are the differences > between the two? What are their potentials, personalities? Does it matter? > Well we know they are going to be the next monarch and maonarch's own. Though which order I can't remember. And I don't think there were mentioned at all in SB > Love, > > Deniz Sarikaya, soon to be (I hope) Goddess of Freaks, whiiiiiiining, and Hot > Climes. David ramsden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:46:13 -0400 (EDT) From: 58HERZ-+AT+-CUA.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Here another thought. Message-ID: *snip* > ALso ANy chance that Gwena is Savil? I thought Skif's Companion, Sayvil, was Savil? She seems the type of person who would want to come back and continue to help Valdemar and choose someone like Skif. He used to be quite a scamp, and Savil's students seemed to have been of similar character type. Then again maybe I assumed again when I really shouldn't have... I do it all the time (sigh) UMH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 10:50:51 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Here another thought. Message-ID: <199610181459.KAA28625-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Lori said: >>Hi...It's me agian the person who likes to stick her foot in her mouth.<< That's OK. We all do it at some point in time. BtW, is there a deity for sticking feet in mouths? I was wondering what the most creative flavored toppings for feet you've come across were? The tastiest? >>In reading about Owlsflight DarkWInd brothers springs to mind. I don't know why. Just that he was the only one with bondbirds that were Owls. I also want to hear more and SKif and Nyara. Those happen to be two of my favorite Char.<< Yes, let's pleeeeeeaaaaaase have some new stuff with those guys. It would be so much fun. >>ALso ANy chance that Gwena is Savil?<< TINAF. You poor, poor, misguided child. Misty is more blatant than that. If you've read AotQ (and a bunch of these posts, for that matter), you'll know why Gwena isn't a Herald we know at all. The two theories I've seen are a) Gwena isn't a Herald but some other kind of spirit/avatar, and b) Gwena *is* a Herald, but from so long ago, she might as well have no experience. Somebody textevd'd exactly where Vanyel says that Gwena is inexperienced, but I think I threw away that post. It was in WoFury, though. If you've ever come across the name of Kero's companion, you'll know who Savil is, and why I say that Misty is less subtle than you were giving her credit for when it comes to names. TAFN. Don't forget to at least read my Red Cross stuff. pleeeeeeaaaaase????? Deniz Sarikaya, soon-to-be (I hope) Goddess of Freaks, Hot Climes, and whiiiiining. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rusalka Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Herald Michal wrote: > >wizard guy. He teaches the younger guy, I think. At some point, the > >older guy begins to see the wizard guy's daughter's ghost (or rusalka -- > >I think it's the russian word for ghost). He falls in love or somesuch. The legend of the rusalka is quite old and common to most Slavic traditions (I think). The rusalka is a water spirit, the soul of drowned maiden. She is one of the many fresh-water variations on the mer-folk (others include the Gwagydd Annwn, the melusine, nixies, etc.) > >Chernevog. Oh, this is interesting. I don't know what "vog" means, but "chern" is the Russian root for black. For example, Chernobyl means "black earth." I wonder if vog means "heart" or "magic"? > My, we seem bouncy today. Did something great happen while I was off-list or > did someone just have a larger than usual dosage of prozac? *gryn* Life is good! There are two new (to many of us, at least) Misty books out to discuss. Plus lots of our list-compatriots are having wonderful success. I am just hoping that it will rub off on me. I am supposed to be hearing back from my first conference sometime soon about whether they have accepted my paper. *hope! HOPE!* ObMisty: I just saw a picture of Misty in this really kewl photo collection: "Faces of Fantasy" or some such. It is a big folio-sized book with photos of famous fantasy writers on one page and a short paragraph or so about their ideas/philosophy of fantasy writing. It was great to be able to put faces with some of the names (and the photos are very interesting and evocative). BTW, Misty's stylist for her book-cover photos is a miracle work. You should see what she looks like without the make-up, hair, smile, etc. Oh honey! May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:32:53 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycling Message-ID: <9610181532.AA14038-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >Jeanne Hedge wrote: > >> What do you think: Companions choose their Herald because the Companion was >> that Herald in a past life? (so Cairo was Selenay's previous life, Yfandes >> was Vanyel in a previous life, etc) Dyana (Perry Rose ) replied: >I guess something like this could be possible, But wouldn't that mean >that two of the same spirit were wandering at the same time? I don't see >how a single spirit could exist in two places at once. Hold on,... >Unless the spirit itself splits and when the Herald-Companion bond is >initiated, it is like the spirit rejoining itself? That could also help >with why the Companion and Herald die together. That was my thought. When a Companion arrives (the normal route), it's not *complete*, and so goes in search of the rest of itself. The Herald-to-be isn't complete either, but doesn't realize it. And perhaps that's why finally being chosen is such a shock to the new Herald -- they're finding a part of themselves that they never realized was missing, and become whole for the first time in their lives. So, essentially, we wouldn't have duplicate spirits running around, we have 1/2 spirits of one runnining around, with 1 part trying to find the other part to become 1 whole spirit. Jeanne Hedge http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/ * * * TWICE, adv. Once too often. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:32:55 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycling Message-ID: <9610181532.AA14041-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >Jeanne Hedge wrote: >> >> What do you think: Companions choose their Herald because the Companion was >> that Herald in a past life? (so Cairo was Selenay's previous life, Yfandes >> was Vanyel in a previous life, etc) Jeff Pugh replied: > >Nah. Actually, I don't think that there can be 2 incarnations of the same person at a >time. Using your example, Caryo was a Herald, but if he was Selenay, then how could >Selenay be Selenay? Anyway, that's what I think. Because Caryo would be half the spirit and Selenay would be the other half of the spirit. Caryo knows he's not whole, but Selenay doesn't and goes on with her life as normal. Then, when Selenay's about 12-13, Caryo decides it's time, goes out in search of his other half, and Chooses Selenay (so instead of 2 partial spirits running around, we now have one whole spirit). And that would also explain (maybe)the Herald-Companion bond, why there's such a shock on the part of the new Herald when they are Chosen (they are whole for the first time in their lives), and why Heralds (or Companions) tend to die when (or shortly after) their other "half" does: they can't live with half a soul anymore. Just an idea.... Jeanne Hedge http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/ * * * TWICE, adv. Once too often. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:32:57 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycling Message-ID: <9610181532.AA14044-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >>Jeanne Hedge proposed: >>> What do you think: Companions choose their Herald because the Companion >>>was that Herald in a past life? Dyana replied: >>Unless the spirit itself splits and when the Herald-Companion bond is >>initiated, it is like the spirit rejoining itself? That could also help >>with why the Companion and Herald die together. Cassie asked: >The Heralds and Companions die together? But...but...what about in _By the >Sword_ >in that battle when Kerowyn and Eldan were chosen? Those Companions were in >the middle of the battle, so I'm assuming that they HAD Heralds. And I'm >also assuming that the Heralds just didn't dissapear into thin air and that >the Companions wouldn't be so eager to choose their Heralds as to wander into >the middle of a battle. IIRC, it says in one of the Arrows books that Companions and Heralds usually die together (hey, they tend to be put in dangerous situations), or if one dies, the other usually dies shortly after. But, IIRC again, I *think* it also said that sometimes a Herald or a Companion will survive the passing of their "other half," and go on with life. Jeanne Hedge http://www.accsyst.com/jhedge/ * * * TWICE, adv. Once too often. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Evalie/order of books Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 JSteinb103-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I always thought Talia was dreaming herself into the story. > Going back for textevd I find, "Keldar couldn't have picked a worse time; > Herald Vanyel was alone, surrounded by the servants of Darkness, and no one > knew his peril but his Companion and Bard Stefen." (p.9, DAW paperback). If > the written story had someone else as narrator, wouldn't that sentence be "no > one knew but Evalie, __________ (narrator's name here), and Bard Stefen"? Damn! Good TextEvd! Congrats! =) I have been watching this thread, trying to find my copy of AotQ (I seem to have misplaced it, and I will probably have to go through boxes of books to find it again), because I know that there was evidence that Talia was daydreaming. In fact, I have written an academic paper with that scene as one of my major case studies. I argue that the strategy of presentation is a classic example of textual self-reference. The text is refering to the process of projecting the actual reader position into a text as part of larger strategy of assimilating the actual reader position to the putative reader position. *Eeeew, ick! Academic jargon! Naughty! Bad! Mustn't!* =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Mage of the Green Silences. Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 885 *********************************