MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 894

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Hi, I'm new (to the list, not the books)
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
  2) sorry
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
  3) Re: I'M  BAAAAACCCKK!!!/HA/pouncing newbies/and actually an obmisty
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
  4) Re: Firesong/LHM cover ages/Welcome!
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Re: Recycling
	by Alamarana8-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Braves Braiddson Fights Off Hoards Of Posts When Half-Asleep!
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  7) newbie
	by "J & C   [27f & 25m] " <LASERHAWK-+AT+-msn.com>
  8) FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
	by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
  9) Re: newbie
	by Alanna P Hwang <aph200-+AT+-is5.NYU.EDU>
 10) Braid: Pern/Tannim/CotN/Midori Snyder/Dragonsdawn
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 11) Re: Braves Braiddson Fights Off Hoards Of Posts When Half-A
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
 12) Reply to: Alberich/
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 13) Reply to: Re: Oatbound prequel
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 14) Welcome/Gloat/Pounce/JH
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 15) Eddings / COTN / Talia / Misty issues.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 16) Yfandes / Mage-gift / GGK / HTH / Thess.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:23:39 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hi, I'm new (to the list, not the books)
Message-ID: <9610212325.AA17233-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

I've been reading Mercdes Lackey since I found some of her stories in 
a Darkover anthology. That was probably around sixth grade (I 
think...). I am now less than a month away from my nineteenth b-day.
I am a Roman Catholic who tries to know at least the basics about 
other religions so I don't do something really rude (like offer pork 
to a Jew or Muslim).
I go to college at the University of Dayton and I major in electrical 
engineering. I grew up in the Hershey/Harrisburg area of PA and think 
that it is really strange to delay school for fog like they do around 
here. What they call heavy fog is what I call a normal day, but I 
hated the pennsylvania weather and I like the weather here.

On topic, did anyone else who bought STORM BREAKING have a fit over 
what Misty did in that book (I spent almost as much time swearing at 
the book as I did reading it)? I don't want to put in any spoilers so 
I'm going to stop there.

Emily Cartier (who doesn't have a cool sig yet)

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:46:10 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: sorry
Message-ID: <11286CF56B2-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

Heyla--Sorry if I posted the same message twice...when I first posted 
it, I got 70(!) replies telling me that it had failed to be 
delivered, so I reposted it, but then I got confirmation that the 
first one had got through...go figure.
Jacquelle

Ex astra, scientia

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:11:02 -0400
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'M  BAAAAACCCKK!!!/HA/pouncing newbies/and actually an obmisty
Message-ID: <326C2D36.369F-+AT+-prolog.net>

Heyla all!!!!!!! Run for your lives, Mishi's making an appearence!!!! 
*GIGGLE*

ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Help me! Help me! I'm buried under a ton 
of e-mail!! My own fault really, I haven't had a chance to check my 
e-mail in the last week. Do you know how long it takes to down load 420 
or so messages and to read them? A loooooooong time. Actually I didn't 
read them all, my sweet little kitten decided to save me from the 
terrible cursor moving on the screen and she jumped on the keyboard and 
erased a lot of messages. OOOPPPPSIE! Oh well she's cute, I forgive 
her<G>.

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Okay a little late but better then not at all --- HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAT THE 
CAT!!!!!!  How about a pudding poke cake for a belated birthday cake? 
Whatever your favorite flavors of cake and pudding are that is what it 
is. 

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To all you newbies out there (I'm not about to type your names, there's 
just to many of you to do that, that and the fact I deleted my messages 
before writing your names down <sheepish grin>) running start and 
POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE!
Welcome to the list - insanity, fluff and all!!

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Well, I just ordered two of HA's cd's - I can't wait to get themwith 
what all of you have been saying about how good she is. I ordered 
Wanderlust and Live! They seemed to be the ones most recommended.

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Okay my server is changing my e-mail addy cuz some of the mail is being 
sent to a place in California with almost the same addy. My new addy is 
going to be mishi-+AT+-ptd.prolog.net. The old addy will still work but only 
until sometime in November. They didn't give us the exact date all they 
said was that they would phase out use of the old addy after an suitable 
length of time. 

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OBMISTY - Yes I have one. Okay it seems that one topic oof disscussion 
is how Vanyel treated Stef. Yeah sure it wasn't very nice how Vanyel 
treated Stef but I have to agree with (oh please let me get these names 
right - darn it Mishi learn to answer the e-mails before you clear out 
your inbox)Danya and Wintershard?. Vanyel was in a way acting that way 
orginally because he didn't want to take advantage of Stef. He thougth 
that Stef was only infatuated with him because of his status. Now later 
in the book I think that Vanyel was trying to push Stef away so he would 
not get hurt. Stef must really have been understanding and patient to 
not have left Vanyel. I think I understand what was going on but I can't 
say that I could have put up with it. Like Cenny I think I would have 
walked but not before I gave as good as I got. Not only is Mishi 
overbubbly she can also get overbitchy - one of my faults, i don't do 
anything in a small way. 

Well I think that that is about it for now - back to lurkdom - I'm goign 
to unsubscribe for a couple days I have to unhook my computer so I can 
set it up on my new desk I got - Much more room then I have on this one 
and I can slide the keyboard under the desk to avoid pouncing 
kittens!<G> I will still be able to get mail on Tuesday, hopefully I 
will be up and running again on Thursday unless I mess something up.

Love, luck, and lollipops,
		Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness
		       Owned by Kira Spook the Amazing Terror Kitten	
		       and Lady of the Pink Wand

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:12:52 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firesong/LHM cover ages/Welcome!
Message-ID: <961021221142_338507508-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

Lilac Fairy writes:
<< > . . . on one of the AOL Misty boards, some idiot posted a totally
fatuous
 and 
 > callous comment about another my very most favorite characters, Firesong.
I
 could > paraphrase his comment, (snip), and we could start a new topic. <And
 screams of > anguish were heard across the land- No! don't let her get
 started on Firesong again! > Arrggghhhh!><
 
Then NightShade responded:
 >>Lilac Fairy, please, do tell. Inquiring minds want to know <g>. Besides,
if
 you don't, you'll force me to look it up myself and start the discussion on
 my own <g>. I shall happily defend Firesong with you!
  >>
  OOH!!  I'll help too!  Perhaps we should take this offlist so that we don't
call the rath of Auntie Mel and the other listmembers down on us.  Especially
since they can't really say anything...and we can!

Jacquelle says:
>>IMO, I think  that Vanyel looks YEARS younger on the cover of MPrice 
than he does on the cover of MPawn..and much handsomer,too for all 
it's worth.<<
  I think the listmembers who have been here a while came to an agreement on
*that* subject too.  Yes,  he *does* look older,  yet he never has enough
silver in his hair on any book.  Did we say that he looked older because he
was more emotionally disturbed then,  and he was more sue of himself later?

Welcome Emily!  Join the insani...fun!  Hehehehe...we're a great bunch,  and
I'm sure you'll see that.  

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"Don't speak,  I know what you're saying,  so please stop explaining,  don't
tell me 'cause it hurts.  Don't speak,  I know what you're thinking,  and I
don't need your reasons,  don't tell me 'cause it hurts."  _Don't Speak_  No
Doubt (who is one of my most favorite groups.  <g>




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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:27:03 -0400
From: Alamarana8-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Recycling
Message-ID: <961021222611_1946198932-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-10-18 01:32:44 EDT, you write:

>It was Daren who was chosen with Kero

oops! Well, that was what I meant, anyway.

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 22:35:45 -0400
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braves Braiddson Fights Off Hoards Of Posts When Half-Asleep!
Message-ID: <9610220240.AA15620-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>I just think that we don't have enough information to come to a true
>conclusion about the ages.  Not without dates other than the timeline.

Let's write misty;P

>Try 75 columns.  Normal screen width is 80, so give yourself a little
>bit of leeway.

I'm hoping this one works..

>I liked them. I thought they were pretty good, but I suggest you read
>Children of the night before Jinx High.

Or better, yet, skip Jinx High..naw...it has some good parts, like the 
writing class...erm..one or two good parts..um..uh..just don't read it 
first, or have your views of Urban Fantasy skewed for life;P

>I was wondering the same.  I've just got her SERRAted Edge collab with Misty
>(When the Bough Breaks). What others of HL do people recommend?

Uh...Sympathy For The Devil is sorta funny...

>Are you sure that you are confusing The Fionavar Tapestry with Misty (Ack!
>*mind reels at the very suggestion*)?  The High Kingdom of Brennan was the
>main venue in Fionavar.  

I KNEW that sounded familiar, and not from Misty. Misty isn't the type to 
do the "high kingdom so-and-so" stuff...too epic for her...but I knew it 
sounded familiar..

>My textevd - someone last week asked who had seen a companion as a young 
>girl.
>I was sure it was Van seeing 'Fandes, but despite my trawl, couldn't find 
>what I thought I remembered. What I did find was:
>"...and Vanyel had, for one moment, a disconcerting double-vision of the 
>prancing  Companion and an equally mishievous young woman of about 
>Tylendel's 
>age, laughing soundlessly at her Chosen." The Companion here is Gala.

Hah! Hah! I was RIGHT! yes yes yes yes yes..ok...ok..calm down..but I'm 
sure we have the double-vision of yfandes somewhere, too. just not first.

>As to whether Van has Healing -  he obviously does, it's mentioned often
>enough, but, reading from Magic 1, it says:
>"Vantel had them all. Each channel she tested - with the sole exception of
>Healing - was open; most of them had been forced open to their widest 
>extent."
>So *then*, he didn't have it, seems he acquired it somewheres along the way.

Blah. I don't believe it. <looks trhough mpawn>
ok..ok..maybe there..but it's prolly a typo. Yeah, that's it. She meant, 
"All the channels were --were the sole exception of healing--open to 
their widest extent"! Or maybe, just maybe, whent they gave him healing! 
Or when he flooded all the energy through himself to defeat Krybain! 
THERE MUST BE A REASON!


>Greensleeves - just to add to the plot - I was taught that not only did our
>'Enery VIII write it for Ann Boleyn, it was because she (a) wore green a lot,
>'cos it suited her, and (b) wore long sleeves that covered her hands because
>she had a sixth digit on one hand, and wanted to keep it covered. 

...and how much you wanna bet that a la Anne Rice a 6th digit will figure 
into Queen of Air and Darkness, or whatever it's called?

>uhm...Castle of Deception, which I think I thought was a bit childish
>(but I can't really remember), and Elvenblood and Elvenbane, both of
>which I loved.

oh, gods..um..get the Last Herald Mage tril

>I STILL have to disagree with you, b/c you have Talia being born in 
>1384 and gettin her whites in 1391--that's 7 years!

Sigh....sigh..and sigh again...listen..take the time, and do this 
yourself. find out all the info. You'll come to the came conclusion, if 
you educatedly guess the same way I did. And, btw, she wasn't BORN in 
1384...she was chosen then..slight difference..since if she was born then 
she'd spend negative some amount of years at collegium.

>> Wait a minute -- ObMisty (this isn't on topic enough, really):  I heard 
that 
>> there's a character in BtR who also shows up in JH.  Who is he?  Which of 
>> those two books should I read/re-read first so as not to ruin it too much?  
>> BtW, wasn't JH impressively awesome?  Well, I must agree that CotN was 
>better. 
>>  Hmmm...what if Di & Andre met up with Eric & Co.??  Wouldn't that be neat??

Jinx High...impressively..AWESOME? JINX *HIGH*?!!!!!<----- 
aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! in patented HA vocie "You msut be *kidding*!" Well, 
she might meet with tannim again in triangle park, if we ever get it..

>> One itsy bitsy little thought that crossed my mind yesterday while reading
>> - Van's son Brightstar (or whatever) has a large owl as a bond bird - maybe
>> the new book, Owlflight (or whatever) is going to be about him. There's his
>> sister don't forget - she might not have been a mage, but she carried the
>> potential.

AH..very well..except Owlflight is listed underneath the Selenay slot in 
the timeline!

>My .02 on the age of Talia/Elspeth?  I can't keep it straight!!  Misty has
>vague mentions of age, but that's it!!!  You have to SEARCH for stuff. 
>It's almost as if all the characters are in stasis and then she realises
>and goes "oops, forgot about you!!  Here!"  and presses on the fast-forward
>button for a time.  Sure the characters change, but I think that if there
>was any less time between the books, less time for her to fast-forward
>them, they'd stay a lot closer to what they were before!!

not really so vague...the concordance specifies that when talia was 
chosen she was newly 13, and elspeth was 7...and in aflight it says el is 
almost 14...

> My
>only conclusion is that the Queen and others choose and Eclarth gets to
>tell the lucky Herald "You're ready -- here's your circut assignment!" 
>However, I'm not that happy with that conclusion.  I dont' know why.  Any
>other ideas?  Has this been discussed before and decided upon?  

Well, one would assume that the Heraldic Circle would decide such 
things...

>Didn't leshya mean spirit? K'Leshya was the <paraphrased> "clan bound by 
>spirit", IIRC. For me there's a difference between ghost and spirit (but 
>don't ask for a definition). Isn't there one in English as well? Now I'm 
>really confused.

dunno bout enlgish, but there is in shin'a'in..leshya means a nice 
spirit, basically...but that's all ghost was. closest word, I guess.

>About the Last Herald Mage book covers...I think Vanyel looks YEARS 
>younger on the cover of Magic's Price than he does on the cover of 
>Magic's Pawn(and much more handsome, for all it's worth....

I say it's a side effect of Van's Patented Hair Tonic;P

>Concerning grey hair:
>	I've been finding white (I mean totally white from root to tip) 
>strands in my hair since ninth grade (actually, it's kind of cool -- you 
>know, 
>attractive females and males giving me a second look and noticing, "Hey, 
>you've got a grey hair."

Blah..I've had grey hairs since lke 5th grade...not many, but they're 
there. Some people were looking at them today in school, in fact;P





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 21:44:26 UT
From: "J & C   [27f & 25m] " <LASERHAWK-+AT+-msn.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: newbie
Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199610220252510926-+AT+-msn.com>

Heyla!

I'm a newbie who has come out of lurkdom to pose a question.  Has 
anyone read The Fire Rose? Has Misty written any other books similar
to it? I can't recall reading any.

Thanks,
LASERHAWK

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:01:04 -0700
From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
Message-ID: <Nd/aywHqhNvd088yn-+AT+-cet.com>

On Sat, 19 Oct 1996 Lady Silvermoon said;

>Okay,  those of us who have been on this list for a while know this question.
> It comes up every few months.  I believe our concensus(sp?) was that Misty

Not all that often, in the 8 months I've been on the list it's only been 
around 5 times, not nearly so often as the "are Compaions reincarnated 
Heralds?' bit!   8-{)#

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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 Korendil  (in response to ?) said;

>>Gods... now I've got two conflicting opinions that I wont' be able to decide 
>>until I can get my mom or dad to take me to the bookstore... the curses of 
>>not being able to drive. <G>
>
[this bit's Kory's]
>Yeppers. It's REALLY annoying...I HATE it. Especially when you wanna get 
>books on subjects parents won't..uh..approve of (can we say Wicca?)....

Do the words Bicycle or possibly Public Transit ring a bell?


Number888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

AliFarr wrote:

 obvious to everyone but me spot  :sigh: :Is there a list of all the 
 mailing lists and where is it if it exists?  If someone has an answer 

Try pointing a browser at ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.lists/
There are about 25 files here of lists includes addresses and how to sub
files all have names like 
Publicly_Accesible_Mailing_ListsandthensometrashIcantrememberrightnow. 

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Mat moaned;

>[moans and wimpers resound from the huddled, shaking figure that is Mat]
>
>Nottttt, th-th-the Van-as-Bard discussion again...  The
>"Is-Talia-daydreaming" thread was bad enough.....  *Wimper*
>

Hah! ya gotta be tougher than that to hang out here! 

So, who thinks Elspeth and Darkwind are/aren't Lifebonded?
<grin>

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OBMisty: Why are there still Pirates on Lake Evendium by the 
Reign of Selenay? And with Valdemar on one side of the lake and the 
Tayledras on the other, where do they fence things?

David Tiffany, Tog fo Glypos

Embalm, n. 
To cheat vegetation by locking up the gases on which it feeds.
						-Ambrose Bierce


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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alanna P Hwang <aph200-+AT+-is5.NYU.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: newbie
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961021233342.841B-100000-+AT+-is5.NYU.EDU>

On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, J & C   [27f & 25m]  wrote:

This is a fellow newbie.  I read the Fire Rose just last week.  It was a
fun read.  I liked the ways she mixed the Asian mysticism mixing with the
Western. She also included the age old beauty and the beast scene with a
twist. I don't think she's written anything like that, especially in that
era.  

> Heyla!
> 
> I'm a newbie who has come out of lurkdom to pose a question.  Has 
> anyone read The Fire Rose? Has Misty written any other books similar
> to it? I can't recall reading any.
> 
> Thanks,
> LASERHAWK
> 


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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:40:48 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Pern/Tannim/CotN/Midori Snyder/Dragonsdawn
Message-ID: <199610220336.WAA07104-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

Mat wrote:
>>>> I'm reading McCaffrey's latest - Red Star Rising (2nd Chronicles of Pern)
>>>>at
> the moment. Having only started last night, I'm reserving judgement. Has
> anyone else read it?

AFAIK, it's not out in the States yet.  Also, it's comming out under
a different title, Dragonsomething (eye maybe, I forget).<<<

When is it coming out??? <moan> I'm in a dragon deprivation, and Misty
deprivation cuz my bud's brother isn't done with Storm Breaking yet... BTW,
I just checked out The White Raven by Diana L. Paxson, and Ghostlight by
MZB. So far so good... I'll keep y'all posted <DEAR GODS, THAT WAS BAD!>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Deniz wrote:
>>>Wait a minute -- ObMisty (this isn't on topic enough, really):  I heard that 
there's a character in BtR who also shows up in JH.  Who is he?  Which of 
those two books should I read/re-read first so as not to ruin it too much?  
BtW, wasn't JH impressively awesome?  Well, I must agree that CotN was better. 
 Hmmm...what if Di & Andre met up with Eric & Co.??  Wouldn't that be neat??
<<<

I believe that would be Tannim. My bud Lady Phoenix <hey, you still there
Flames?> read it, and she said he was in it. IIRC, he's the kid who asked
Di to dance with him in JH. As for JH, the val-talk got on my nerves, and
CotN was the best out of the three DT books. And does anyone know if
Misty's thinking of something involving the whole crew of her urban
fantasy?
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T.S. wrote:
>>>        Has anyone read "Jinx High"? I came across it at a local library
book sale. What about "Children of the Night"-any good?<<<

YOU. WILL. READ. CHILDREN. OF. THE. NIGHT!!!! That is probably the best
"urban fantasy" book by Misty. I know I enjoyed it so much, I gave up
several hours of sleep to read it! Jinx High, as I mentioned earlier, kind
of got on my nerves. But the plot is tres fabu.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Midori Snyder:
I can't find book one of Queen's Quarter Knot anywhere. I found book 3 for
my bud last Christmas, but it seems like books 1 and 2 are out of print.
I've read the trilogy, and it was one of the best I've read. I'd really
like to find out where I could get them, if they're still available... BTW,
didya know that her first name is probably Japanese? I can't imagine any
other language that has that word. And it means "green" in a literal
translation. I thought it was kind of cool. 
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Raindancer wrote:
>>>Pern:
I liked the Dragonflight & after books the best, but I also enjoyed
Dragonsdawn, except for the fact that Sallah was my favorite character in
that book... :-(
I enjoyed All The Weyrs of Pern a great deal, but I adored Robinton and am
therefor in *serious* denial about the ending.<<<

Dragonsdawn was pretty good, except that I didn't like the ending. I wished
it had been a bit more dramatic. And Sallah was my favorite as well, and it
really pissed me off when she died. That was a tearjerker scene, too. And
Master Robinton was great -- why do all *great* characters have to die???
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I'm done!!! Bye peoples!!!

Still mourning the Cardinals Massacre from last week,
Summersong & Spiffy the Cat
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"How many fingers am I holding up?(Vulcan salute)"
"That's not very goddamn funny, Jim."
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Date:          Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:49:05 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braves Braiddson Fights Off Hoards Of Posts When Half-A
Message-ID: <11693B10AEB-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

I believe Vanyel had a double image of Fandes when he is teasing her 
about meeting the "stallion with the gorgeous--"  :Nose.  He had a 
perfectly lovely nose.:  I believe is the quote.  Anyway, Vanyel is 
teasing her about her vanity or something before he grooms her on the 
side of the road...I think.  (of all the times to be 1200 miles from 
my books...)
jacquelle

Oh, very clever, Worf.  Eat any good books lately?
--Q

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:53:54 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Reply to: Alberich/
Message-ID: <199610212354_MC1-B14-19FF-+AT+-compuserve.com>

HorseFantastic, ed. by Martin H. Greenberg & Rosalind M. Greenberg came
out in 1991. So I'd look for it in the local used book store, and pray
to Deity you can find it! Got some goodies in it by Judith Tarr, Jennifer Roberson,
Our Beloved Misty, Mickey Zucker Reichert, Josepha Sherman, Elizabeth 
Moon (yes, of the Paksenarrion Moons, yes), Janny Wurts, and some others.
Good READS!! (kinda like good EATS, but in more tasteful neon <g>)

Firemist

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:58:16 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Reply to: Re: Oatbound prequel
Message-ID: <199610220000_MC1-B1D-EA8F-+AT+-compuserve.com>

And on the subject of S&S3, for all you newbies -> SCOUR you're local
used book store for this treasured gem, and keep it under lock and key.
CERTAIN list members have been known to threaten severe bodily harm
to others in order to get their grubby little hands on it <g>

so of course, those of us with the wonderful things prance about and
say 'I've got it, I've got it, nyah, nyah. ppbbbthhhhh" <g>

firemist

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 00:14:01 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Welcome/Gloat/Pounce/JH
Message-ID: <199610220423.AAA07802-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Emily said:
>>I am a Roman Catholic who tries to know at least the basics about 
other religions so I don't do something really rude (like offer pork 
to a Jew or Muslim).<<

Thank you soooooooo much!!!!!!<---It's worth 'em, I've had it happen.  Aargh!

>>I go to college at the University of Dayton and I major in electrical 
engineering.<<

Me, too!  EE, that is.  Cool!  I love being a woman in EE, don't you?  Oh, by 
the way, welcome.  I think we might have some fun together.

Raindancer wrote:
>>Deniz:
*You* think you hafta get up early?!
I have an 8:30 PreCalc class 5 days a week.  I live 1 1/2 hours away from
the UW, because I have to ride the ferry every morning.  This means I get
to leave the house at 6:40, which means I arise at 6:00, occasionally
5:45.  Sorry,m I'm just grumpy throughout the week from the combined
effects of 6-7 hrs sleep when lucky, homework up my -+AT+-$$, and *way* to many 
Cafe Mochas.<<

HHHHHhhhhhmmmmmm.  Who got the better deal?  I only live a 10 minute walk 
downhill from campus.  And if it hadn't been for the AP's, I would be in the 
8:30 Calc. Class.  Horrors! <snicker>  Well, you see, all my friends who are 
sane and in Arts instead of Engineering don't have classes until around -- 
ooooohhh, 12:30 or so.  On a "bad" day.  It's just I promised myself that once 
I hit college, I'd complain about the "ungodly" hour I would have to get up 
at.  I'm limiting myself to once, though <slowly edging toward fire 
extinguisher as Cennydd enters the room>.  The thing is, it *has* been hard on 
me, and I *AM* a morning person.  Oh, well.

Cennydd, put that flamethrower down...slowly...easy...easy.  There we go.  
See?  I mean no harm.  It's over.  It's all on-topic from now on.

Mishi wrote:
>>To all you newbies out there (I'm not about to type your names, there's 
just to many of you to do that, that and the fact I deleted my messages 
before writing your names down <sheepish grin>) running start and 
POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE! POUNCE!
Welcome to the list - insanity, fluff and all!!<<

Thank you <picking self up from being POUNCE!d upon>... I think.
NOOOOOOOO!!!!! NOT MORE SHEEP!!!
Actually, I like them.  Wait a minute.  Don't take that the wrong way.  Uhh, I 
seem to be sticking my foot in my mouth again.  Uhhhh, anyone want a sheep?

Cennyd, give me that Zippo(TM) now, before you hurt someone.  Or worse, ignite 
one of my sheep.  I need them.  Oops.  Did it again.
Maybe I should change my plea for divinity to one of sticking feet in mouths 
since I've seemed to excell at it frequently recently.

Korendil wrote:
>>I'm hoping this one [sig] works..<< [bracketed comments mine]

AAaaahh, much better.

Cennydd, why do you keep insisting there must be matches nearby? <nonchalantly 
hiding a few books of matches behind back and whistling -- wait a minute, I 
can't whistle nonchalantly -- make that humming.  ABBA.;>>

>>Jinx High...impressively..AWESOME? JINX *HIGH*?!!!!!<----- 
aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! in patented HA vocie "You msut be *kidding*!" Well, 
she might meet with tannim again in triangle park, if we ever get it..<<

Yes, I stand by the comments I make that I believe in.  I wasn't sticking my 
foot in my mouth when I said that.  JH was my first of Misty's Urban Fic.'s, 
and I thought the villain and that first POV character were *awesome*.  Not to 
mention Di, of course.  I mean think about it.  That book has Di listing the 
Tregarde 5 Commandments, which basically explain in a nut shell Misty's 
philosophy.  Wait a minute.  That scene *was* in JH, wasn't it?  Could someone 
textevd which book it is for me?  I don't have them yet.
I've already resigned myself to the fact that we won't get either Triangle 
Park or Arcanum 101.  What side of the bed did you get out on this morning?  
Does HA really have a voice that would say something as cruel as that seems?  
I have to get her stuff soon, anyway.

That's all I have to say tonight.  Unless Cennydd decides to grace us with 
some more posts.

Love,
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Deniz Sarikaya, soon-to-be	|"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,"--that is all
(I hope) Coddess[sic] of	|Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
Hot Climes, Freaks, and		|
whiiiiiiniiiiiing.		|				John Keats
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 12:30:21 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Cc: kerry_mealing-+AT+-il.us.swissbank.com
Subject: Eddings / COTN / Talia / Misty issues.
Message-ID: <9610220230.AA29256-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
> Eddings I like a lot.  People alwats complain about his reuse of plots.
> In the Bel/Mal series, I don't mind.  I just know that, aggravating
> though they can be, I really like his characters, and his stories.
<snip>
> Janny Wurts, I just cannot read.  I've tried and tried to read
> Mistwraith, but I just can't get through it.

Yeah, it's not her best - she waffles a little. For a stunning 
[co-authored] series of hers, try Daughter/Servant/Mistress of the
Empire, co-authored with Raymond E. Feist. (And for a change, the 
combination of them writing together works a lot better than either 
of them writing on their own). Wurts' Stormwarden series is a lot
better, IMHO.
I like Eddings' Belgariad/Mallorean a lot as well. The characters are 
old friends and the reuse of plots is at least covered by his in-book 
explanation; besides which, he runs variations on the all the subtle
details in between.

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Rereading Children of the Night:
- Did anyone notice that Morrie (Di's Agent) was mentioned by someone as
  being their agent at the party/drug scene early in the book?
- Who was the chap who smiled at Dave when he left the Logres bar late in 
  the book (the other owner of the Logres, obviously, and possibly a 
  Guardian, but who -was- he and why did his smile have such an effect?).
- Now in Jinx High, Di doesn't appear any/much older than college, but she's 
  obviously not a vamp because she's prancing about in daylight.. Is there
  any legendary foundation for regularly donating blood to a vampire, 
  keeping you young? (I can't recall any offhand, but something's nagging
  me about that idea).
- Half-way through, Di says something to the effect that Len & Keith are
  both strongly psi, and she & Len both have premonitions/hunches that 
  the four of them are going to be needed to take care of the threat,
  but when it comes to the denouement, both Len & Keith are pretty much
  so much cannon-fodder - more a liability than a help..

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Re Talia and Arrows:
Jacquelle wrote:
>Was anyone able to find the reference in AFall where, I think, Kris 
>pulled Talia up in front of him as they tried to escape on Tantris 
>and then they galloped into a hail of arrows--yet Kris' body shielded 
>Talia from being mortally wounded.

Talia was in front. Apart from Hollywood, when you're on a horse in full 
gallop, through dangerous terrain (normally tree branches, in this case 
arrows), you crouch/lean forward down over the horse's neck/mane, putting
you below branch level and lowering your centre of gravity (meaning you
keep your balance better & are less likely to be thrown) and wind-resistance.
Hence Kris would have been almost leaning over on top of Talia with his
arms around her. If you check the text, I think you'll find Kris doesn't
take an arrow through the front of his chest - only sides, back & arms,
because he's crouching almost flat. Funny - it hadn't occurred to me
that people could be confused by it before.

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Esmeralda wrote:
> Hear hear. I chose not to re-read that part of Magic 3. I do not like ML's
> habit of using rape - Talia, Van, Tarma, Idra, Nyara - I know it happens, 
> but it is not something that needs to be described, especially to the extent
> it is in the Van scene. There's too many find the *idea* of rape/violence/
> force/power exciting and stimulating. There's a daily "newpaper" in the
> UK that revels in the "Busty Brunette Beauty's horror ordeal" type of 
> journalism. The problem here is not just the way women are portrayed, but
> that this paper is more widely read than any of the quality newspapers. 
> Rape is not something to joke about, make fun of, make movies or plays 
> about, and not something to trivialise into fantasy fiction plots. It's 
> degrading, debasing, wrong, cruel, horrifying  ........................
> sorry, bad day, wrong topic.

Well actually, I didn't think that Misty trivialized it, any more than
she trivialized murder or death or any other anguish. In fact I'd go
so far as to say that she treats it a damn sight better than most other
forms of media. Talia suffers the after-effects - she's uneasy and
uncomfortable with even Dirk touching her - and requires R---'s (the other
mind-healer's) help to get over it while Dirk is away for a few weeks.
(Note that I thought the avoidance of the "Big strong proper man comes
along and coaxes poor little victim back to normality" resolution was 
admirable - far too many movies and books fall into that quick way out).
Van? Van's rape wasn't trivial and it wasn't dealt with as such - it was 
the final thing in a series of calculated moves to break him. And he didn't
get over it easily, it took time and security and love and care from Stef.
Didn't matter how powerful he was, or how good or noble, bad things still
happened.
Tarma? Tarma's dealt with it the other way - she found her bond with the
Goddess - she divorces herself from the whole sex=intimacy association,
to the extent that she can deal with it in the same way she'd deal with
a brutal assault. 
Idra? We don't see all that much of in person, we see her shade and we
see a proud, strong woman who wasn't broken by her treatment but returns
to exact vengeance within the metaphysical law of the land. Another valid
treatment.
Nyara? Nyara is the fluid one, the one who doesn't confront the problems
head on. She's been abused so many times that she's learnt to be like 
water - to let it roll over her, to accept the past as not-her-fault
and move on. She's been worn down to a single thread and it takes much
time and patience and outside help to start to restore that shattered
sense of self. The message being, of course, that it wasn't her fault,
that she did have worth and abilities and capacity to love, and that 
there was no shame in needing outside help to fully escape the situation.

Call me short-sighted or blind, but I don't see that any of those
-distinctly different- treatments, trivialize the matter. They all have
valid messages; and they all leave the reader more aware that it can
happen, more aware of the different problems a victim might face or
how they might be helped onto the road to recovery. 

Sorry if that seems lecturing, but that phrase "trivialize into fantasy 
fiction plots" made me see red - the implication that fantasy fiction
can't deal with serious issues, deserves to be challenged, even when it's 
possibly made unconsciously. More than a few of the Sword & Sorceress 
books, and indeed female characters in fantasy books, raised issues 
regarding rape, female liberation and female integrity. More than that, 
the S&S series and authors like Misty and MZB, have made a point of looking 
beyond the stereotyped stories of "woman succeeds in a male-dominated 
society" or "woman is raped and takes revenge on men generally". 
To say that such issues are trivialized by the fantasy genre, is IMNSHO (*)
unfair, untrue and an indication that perhaps we're not reading the genre
at the same level.

Well I first exploded on the list a year ago, defending Misty dealing with 
violence & rape, so I guess it's fitting that I should touch on it 
occasionally. :)

Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

"Walk on slowly - don't look behind you.
"Don't say goodbye, love.  I won't remind you."











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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 12:52:16 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: Yfandes / Mage-gift / GGK / HTH / Thess.
Message-ID: <9610210252.AA28439-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


HTH wrote:
>    THEORY II: Yfandes Wasn't Waiting for Any One Person in Particular.
> Why, then, did she wait ten years without Choosing anyone?  Is she just
> so picky that she held out on the off-chance she could find someone
> really cool?  How did she know there *would* be someone powerful enough,
> if destiny had no one specific in mind?  What would she have done if
> Vanyel hadn't had his channels blown to hell?  Given up eventually, got
> bored and Chosen someone else?  Or died forlorn, still waiting for
> someone of his caliber who never came along?

Maybe she didn't know.. Maybe she was just waiting for a (not 'the') 
right person to come along and go click. I don't subscribe to the
"There is one & only one soul-mate for you" school of thought - to me
it implies an awfully small soul, that has only the capacity to love/bond
with one person. Remember also, that comment, "I knew when I Chose you
that it would come to this." - her foresight kicked in when she Chose
Van, not before - it may well be that she didn't even know that Van was
coming, just that she hadn't met the right one.
Heck, you can ask single people in the real world the same question about 
relationships - do you wait on the off-chance you'll find someone exactly
right? Do you eventually give up and choose someone you like and get along
with and are friends with, but don't have a burning love for? Or do you
wait and die forlorn and alone as life passes you by?
(And if you have an answer for these, by all means fill me in - it'd be
kinda helpful right now).
Icewolf - remember when you said you wanted re love, a sign "This is the
one" written in lightning across the sky? I think I agree. :)


Matt wrote: (A long time ago):
> This whole thing about whether or not mage-gift fades or can be 
> blocked has been bugging me.  Didn't Starwind tell Vanyel that
> his Mage-Gift couldn't be taken away, and would just use him,
> if he didn't use it?  Yet we have Darkwind's mage-gift fading,
> and Shin'a'in shaman are able to block it.  What gives?

Starwind may have been exaggerating a little bit because of those
Tayledras ethics - the old "a gift is double-edged, a promise to
you and a pledge of duty from you."
But, it's also possible that the difference is that Darkwind was
-trained-. Darkwind knows how -not- to use his gift, he has sufficient
control over it to block it and just use the shielding component.
There's also the possibility that the Shaman have learned how to
block it since Van's days (or that there was no Shaman within umpteen
leages of Van). Or perhaps Van's gift was just too damn strong and wild
and untamed, to fade away if unused.


HTH:
<much cool stuff snipped>
> Which is sad but true; I'm a daydreamer, and forgetful, and I
> wouldn't last three days if I didn't have friends and family watching my
> back.  Hell, I'd get lost in my own kitchen and end up fighting my
> hamster for food.  I think I could take the hamster, though.

*lol* Thanks Heather, for a laugh on a day on which I sorely need one.
I'm a little like that, though the scary part is I flat on my own - my
folks still ring me up giving me advice on how to steam vegetables &
I think they'd probably do food-drops (the way a military does) every
second day, if they didn't live 1000km away. :)
HTH also wrote another of those infamous articles defending Van, to
which my only response is a hearty "Yeah. What she said. Doubled."
(but don't worry Heather, I'll forgive you for it this time. *grin*).



Re GGK & Fionvar:
I've finally got around to reading _The Fionvar Tapestry_ (and there
were many thuds, as of many people falling off chairs) and so far I 
pretty much like it. Certainly it's one of the few books I've read
lately that got me misty-eyed (though that could be a function of the
weekend I had). The only complaint I have so far (I think I've got a
chapter to read left - dratted trains don't quite take long enough),
is that the reference to Lios alfar going across the sea, to a land
of eternal song was just a little too heavy-handedly a Tolkein derivative
for me to let it past. I know, Fionvar is supposed to be the first world
which all others echo etc, but somehow it just jarred me out of the 
reverie.

Thess:
Hey Thess - if you're still here - have you done any unarmed fighting
against properly held knives (ie hilt in the hand and blade along the
inside of the forearm) in your martial arts? We're doing more knife
defences in hapkido and I'd like to actually practice something useful
against someone who -does- know how to use a knife. (If I hear "Most 
people don't know how to use a knife properly" one more time...).


Okay, enough from me.
Cheers,
Kerry. <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com.

 "For the sword outwears the sheath
    And the soul wears out the breast 
  And the heart must pause to breathe
    And love itself must rest..."
                         -- Byron.








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