MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 896

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Lios Alfar and Sea Crossings
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  2) Re: Hair/Horse Fantastic/PA
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  3) Re: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
  4) Re: nasty codes/Elspeth's duties/dates
	by kaychang-+AT+-eden.com (CrystalSkye)
  5) RE: 'Fandes
	by Chelsea <Chelsea.Fischer-+AT+-Colorado.EDU>
  6) Crazy?/owlflight/Talia/grey hair/rape/HA
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
  7) re: 'Fandes
	by kaychang-+AT+-eden.com (CrystalSkye)
  8) Re: Hell, uh love
	by Perry Rose <prose-+AT+-ctol.net>
  9) books again
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 10) Re: Lios Alfar and Sea Crossings
	by Selkie <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
 11) PA/weather
	by Selkie <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
 12) Wicked/Kushner/Music/MZB/fluff
	by undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
 13) Re: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
 14) Reply to: books again
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 15) forgive me, no time for a good subject line
	by Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
 16) Heyla!
	by Jessica M Edmunds <Jessica.M.Edmunds-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
 17) Van's Rape
	by Rose <prose-+AT+-ctol.net>
 18) Re: Heyla!
	by Elizabeth Angell <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 19) FW: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
	by "Valerie Sanford" <lessing-+AT+-msn.com>
 20) Re: Missing talia /the Last Unicorn/the Corrs
	by Elizabeth Angell <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
 21) Talia/Tolkien/lifebonds
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lios Alfar and Sea Crossings
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961022155919.16409B-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote:

> evidently) go when they die. So it may seem Tolikein to you, but I am betting
> they both drew heavily on Irish Myths and Folklore for some of their world-
> building. <g>

Just a quick note to point out that Tolkien drew more on the Germanic
presence in Britain than the Celtic one.  Although, I am sure that the
Celtic traditions figure into his work.  However, his cosmology is much
more clearly related to the Norse myths of the Vanyar and the Alvar
(Incidentally, I don't remember the exact terms, but lios alfar and svart
alfar are almost direct borrowings from Old Norse.) Remember that he was
an English philologist and his specialty was Old English and Norse.

On the other hand, I am no Tolkienist, so I can't say much about him for
sure. =)

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:14:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hair/Horse Fantastic/PA
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961022160823.16409C-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Selkie wrote:

> 	Totally of the subject, but I've noticed a few people from PA, which
> is where I'm from, and even one from Harrisburg, which is only about 50
> miles south of me.  How cool.

Hmmmm.  50 miles north of Harrisburg?  Where?  I am originally from around
Port Allegheny, if that means anything to you. =)  So I know all about PA
weather.  On the other hand, I have lived in Oklahoma (Tulsa/Broken Arrow)
for so long that I have really come to think of that as "where I am from."
And trust me on this: PA weather is a walk in the park compared to Tulsa.
At least in PA, no matter how grey and gookily it gets, you don't have to
worry much about whether you are going to be killed by a stray tornado
(average of 54 tornados a year, mostly concentrated in and around April).  

ObMisty: You know, despite the fact that Misty is purported to live in OK,
her magestorms don't really seem to be that spectacular.  Frankly, I don't
recall ever seeing a tornado mentioned in her books, and I can't imagine
that an Okie would forget that element to a really major storm. =)

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:47:31 -0400
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
Message-ID: <199610222047.QAA07543-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

At 02:36 PM 10/22/96 +0100, you wrote:
> 
>> So, who thinks Elspeth and Darkwind are/aren't Lifebonded?
>> <grin>
> 
>AHHHH!  Let's not go there.  However, I want to know if anyone thinks Kero
>and Eldan are lifebonded?  Their relationship was a bit out of the ordinary. 
>When they're in the cave, doesn't Eldan feel something like a shock (you
>know, the kind experienced by Talis-Dirk and later by Selenay-Deren)?  Just
>wondering.
>
>Nina (ducking quickly to avoid being hit by possibly thrown objects for
>posting something that has most likely been overdone)
>
>
>

I believe they are lovebonded which is what Skif and Nyara are or Vanyel and
Stefen.  Just because they don't seem to invoke the same kind of manor that
the others have.  For instance when Kero left why wouldn't he have followed
her even if his companion hadn't wanted him too.  That wouldn't have really
stopped him but I believe since they aren't lifebonded that they can be away
and still be happy when apart.

Aistes


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:10:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: kaychang-+AT+-eden.com (CrystalSkye)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: nasty codes/Elspeth's duties/dates
Message-ID: <199610222110.QAA15015-+AT+-natashya.eden.com>

>> From: CrystalSkye <kaychang-+AT+-eden.com>
>
>> obMisty (I think. Looke, my first one ever!) Hey, does anyone else know any=
>> =20
>> alt codes? They're soooooo fun! :) That's where I got the =99 sign from! :)
>> 
>> =A9V{=A3=A8fN{11=A7=BA=A5=A8=A3=A5=A5=9C=A5=A5=A5=D1=D1=C6=A5M=A8D=BF=9C=84 =
>>    =A5+A=84=BF1=A3=A8=BF=D4=A8=A8=BFP=A8=A8=A8
>> 
>> Believe it or not, I got all those from pressing various numbers on the=20
>> right numberboard and the alt button! (Honest!)
>
>A word of advice Terra.  Don't do that anymore.  If you look above,
>you'll see how whatever it is you typed came out.  Obviously, that's
>not what you inteneded.

Yeah! That's it, right I... oh, wait. I lost my train of thought again. 
Being kept away from the computer does that to me. :P

Sorry, Won't do it no more. Promises!

<cringing> I gotta orchestra concert tonight. Hang me now!

Terra Chang/CrystalSkye
Insanity is the playground of the unimaginative
*~*~*
"Is the world going crazy or is it just *me*?!"
*~*~*
CrystalSkye's Personal Universe! GO SEE IT! ;)
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6315/index.html


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:45:10 -0600 (MDT)
From: Chelsea <Chelsea.Fischer-+AT+-Colorado.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: 'Fandes
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961022153936.2129B-100000-+AT+-ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl wrote:

> JAIME wrote: 
>  > I believe Vanyel had a double image of Fandes when he is teasing her 
>  > about meeting the "stallion with the gorgeous--"  :Nose.  He had a 
>  > perfectly lovely nose.:  I believe is the quote.  <snip>
> 
> That's what I thought. That's what I went looking for. Couldn't find 
> anything, even went back to that bit twice in case I'd skipped it.
> Anyone find it? 

_Magic's_Promise_: pg 58, DAW paperback; early chapter 3
	"[Vanyel] :We'll just have to -- wait a moment -- what about your 
formal gear?  That's next thing to brand new.  Gods know we've used it
what -- once? Twice?:
	Her ears went up -- her sapphire eyes fixed on him -- 
	And he had that curious and disorienting doubled image of her that
he'd gotten sometimes in the past, the image od a dak, wise-eyed woman,
weary, but smiling with newly-kindled anticipation, flickering in and out
with the graceful white horse."

etitameh

disclaimer: the above probably makes no sense... deal with it.   :)
  
may love and light guide you on your way... & *never* play strip tarot.
chelsea.fischer-+AT+-colorado.edu     http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~ccfische/
caf0001-+AT+-jove.acs.unt.edu         http://www.unt.edu/~caf0001
"the limits of my language are the limits of my world." -- Wittgenstein



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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:47:18 -0400
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Crazy?/owlflight/Talia/grey hair/rape/HA
Message-ID: <961022174717_548949174-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

Emily replied to my own reply to her post(confused enough?)
<< *Welcome Emily!  Join the insani...fun!  Hehehehe...we're a great 
 *bunch,  and I'm
 *sure you'll see that.  
  WHAT! You mean you aren't all crazy(sigh!). I guess I'll go somewhere 
 else where people are crazy.
  >>
  No,  I never said we weren't crazy.  I just didn't want to scare you.
 Guess I don't have to worry.  And don't leave,  we're plenty crazy.
 Hehehehehe

Jag writes:
>>All right, so far, for Owlflight, we have K'Whasis, whichever clan
has the owl name; Wintermoon, with bondbird owls Corwith and K'Tathi...any
other ideas here? This is really bugging me....something else we can ask
Misty about at Dragon Con! OoooH! Idea! Maybe it's about tevardi!<<
  Hmmm...maybe.  I always got the impression that the tervadi were songbird
based,  not raptor based though.  I could be wrong though.

Someone(ack,  I deleted too fast!) wrote:
>>You know, I miss Talia.  I really identified with her (quiet, shy, timid 
and nervous around strangers) and I had a pretty good time going through 
training with her<<
  I miss her too.  There's a small scene in Storm Warning where she talks to
Karal.  It mentions there that she is in her mid-thirties.  He thinks
something like "she's very good-looking for being that much older."  

On grey hair...I don't have any.  One of my red-headed friends has a few.  My
hair is far from being solid colored.  The aforementioned friend,  who is my
BF,  and my other BF are arguing about what color my hair *is.*  I say it's
golden brown,  they insist that it's blonde.  *Sigh*  Then what kind of junk
mail do I get today?  I wig catalog!  Don't ask me how I got on *that*
mailing list.  They had a nice sheet of demostration hair colors though.  I'm
a  medium golden blonde on top,  and "light brownish blonde"  on the bottom.
 That's enough fluff here.  <blushes and sheeps>

Why does Misty use rape so often?  I think it's to give us a picture of how
horrible the characters are being treated.  It gives us a deeper picture of
what they're are going through.  It also gives them more character depth,  to
see how they react to being raped.  The Van scene was very...ahh...detailed
though.  I think there was a bit of overkill on that one.

Disneyworld writes:
>>BTW>....I was wondering where I could get HEather Alexander stuff.
I'm starting to be really curious by all the talk about it...Is
it something that could be found in the mall like a Musicland or
someting that I'd have to order specially?<<
   No,  you have to order it.  It's not in any store that I know of.

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"Don't speak,  I know what you're saying,  so please stop explaining,  don't
tell me 'cause it hurts.  Don't speak,  I know what you're thinking,  and I
don't need your reasons,  don't tell me 'cause it hurts."  _Don't Speak_ No
Doubt

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:47:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: kaychang-+AT+-eden.com (CrystalSkye)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: 'Fandes
Message-ID: <199610222147.QAA18538-+AT+-natashya.eden.com>

>hola,
>
>JAIME wrote:
> > I believe Vanyel had a double image of Fandes when he is teasing her 
> > about meeting the "stallion with the gorgeous--"  :Nose.  He had a 
> > perfectly lovely nose.:  I believe is the quote.  <snip>
>
>That's what I thought. That's what I went looking for. Couldn't find 
>anything, even went back to that bit twice in case I'd skipped it.
>Anyone find it? 

MPrice, somewhere in the first ten chapters. :P Unfortunately, right now I'm 
reading "Tailchaser's Song" which a friend basically shoved into my face and 
told me if I didn't read it she would inflict bodily harm on my person. <G>
It ain't all that bad--after all, I really liked "Watership Down;" and this 
story is basically that with rabbits. Or so I heard.

Terra Chang/CrystalSkye
Insanity is the playground of the unimaginative
*~*~*
"Is the world going crazy or is it just *me*?!"
*~*~*
CrystalSkye's Personal Universe! GO SEE IT! ;)
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6315/index.html


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:52:37 -0400
From: Perry Rose <prose-+AT+-ctol.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hell, uh love
Message-ID: <326D4225.2141-+AT+-ctol.net>

Kerry wrote:
> Heck, you can ask single people in the real world the same question about
> relationships - do you wait on the off-chance you'll find someone exactly
> right? Do you eventually give up and choose someone you like and get along
> with and are friends with, but don't have a burning love for? Or do you
> wait and die forlorn and alone as life passes you by?
> (And if you have an answer for these, by all means fill me in - it'd be
> kinda helpful right now).Kerry? I think I have some answers to this (I just got depressed). But 
they don't really belong here though they are metaphysical. If you 
really do want to know what I think, private E-mail me.
                               Dyana

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 18:34:23 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: books again
Message-ID: <199610222243.SAA24310-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

I was wandering through the student ghetto here in Montreal, and guess what I 
found?  A used bookstore!  I walked in to check it out, praying really hard 
for any of the S&S's.  No such luck.  But I did find these books that I wanted 
to ask you guys about.  The question is, are they worth it?

	_The Golden Bough_	Sir James Frazer
	_Celtic Myths & Legends_	Charles Squire
	_Celtic Lore_	Ward Rutherford
	_The Holy Book of Women's Mysteries, Part II_	Z. Budapest
	_queer by choice_	Whisman

ObMisty:  Uh-oh.  Well, all I can say about the Vanyel Rape Scene is that I 
will never, ever forget it.  It is one of the most disturbing things I read, 
and I sat there crying, hunched up in a small ball, on my bed saying something 
like, "no, no, <gasp>, no," while I read that scene.  I think I had to put it 
down to recover a little afterwards, as well.  To this day, I don't like it 
when somebody mentions something about riding horses in a nasty tone like 
that.  If I had read it, ohhh, about two years earlier, I don't know what kind 
of person I would be today.
But look at the bright side.  He had Stefan to help him sort it all out, and I 
also cried when he crawled into bed to just be held.  He made it.  He bounced 
back to himself, and even better.  He realized what an obssessive bitch he had 
been up until that little escapade, and dethawed a bit more.  He might not 
have been a bundle of sunshine, but at least he realized that Stefan was more 
than just a travelling companion, and needed some care, too.

Just to add to the list of all of Misty's rape scenes, there was also that 
encounter Di had with that serious bad guy that shook her up so badly.  It 
wasn't a rape, but it might as well have been, with the trauma it put her 
under.

love,
Deniz Sarikaya, soon-to-be |"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,"--that is all
(I hope) Coddess[sic] of   |Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
Hot Climes, Freaks, and    |
whiiiiiiniiiiiing.         |                         John Keats


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 19:52:31 EDT
From: Selkie <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lios Alfar and Sea Crossings
Message-ID: <199610222352.TAA25035-+AT+-hobbes.kzoo.edu>

	I'm sorry, this is totally off topic, but I just, like an hour ago
finished updating one of my web pages, and it has like the exact same
topic as your last letter did which was very very freaky.   
				Love and kisses, Celia
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	Tacite pati et nulla vestigia relinquere
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 Cecelia Ann Marsh			|"You've been reading 	     |
 Box 444 Hicks Center  			|too much meaning from	     |
 Kalamazoo MI 49006			|existence" 		     |
 E-mail: k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu		|			     |
 http://www.kzoo.edu/~k95cm02/		|	   -James _Lullaby_  |
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 20:12:03 EDT
From: Selkie <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: PA/weather
Message-ID: <199610230012.UAA29129-+AT+-hobbes.kzoo.edu>

	I come from a very small (6000) town called Lewisburg which has a
Penitary and a college.  And we do get tornados, alot in my mind although
probably not compared to anyother places.  Has anyone else notice how
tornados beeline to trailer parks?  Maybe that's why Misty doesn't include
any--there aren't any trailer parks there. (does that count as an ObMisty?)  
	I must also second Cen's recomendations  to read the Tom Dietz
books.  I adore them( I adore lots of authors, in case anybody's keeping
score) and have found that they are pretty accurate with the mythical
details.  
				Love and kisses, Celia
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	Tacite pati et nulla vestigia relinquere
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 Cecelia Ann Marsh			|"You've been reading 	     |
 Box 444 Hicks Center  			|too much meaning from	     |
 Kalamazoo MI 49006			|existence" 		     |
 E-mail: k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu		|			     |
 http://www.kzoo.edu/~k95cm02/		|	   -James _Lullaby_  |
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:20:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: undine <stafford-+AT+-iac.net>
To: list lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Wicked/Kushner/Music/MZB/fluff
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961017210831.9548A-100000-+AT+-wabash.iac.net>


Sandy, I'd be delighted if you stopped by my bookstore!! We're open from 
10-5 on Saturdays. I'll give you directions if you'd like. :)
***********************

Re: _Wicked_: I actually enjoyed the premise far more than the book 
itself. I thought that after a  promising start, the book fell flat. 
Certainly never came close to capturing the charm and humor of the 
original Oz books. I thought _Was_ was much more intense and interesting 
even if it was a bit brutal in spots.
******************** 

Congratulations to Michele and Claris!!!!! Hoo Roo! Kudos to both of you! :)

Claris, when you dress up as Beldandy (sp?), how do you get your hair to 
do that pouffy antenna thingie that hers does? :)

Re Storm Constantine: I really like her short stories but I've never managed
to make it through her Wraethu (sp?) trilogy. She has a story in a new 
antho of cat horror stories called _A Twist of the Tale_. 

Celia, check out Nina Kiriki Hoffman's story, "Incidental Cats." It's  
particularly good. *shiver*

Cen, I've read Alice Hoffman and Nina Kiriki Hoffman and not noticed 
similarities. But then I wasn't looking for any. Your observations? 
********************

Re the Kushner short stories: I actually liked "Playing with Fire"
quite a bit. I found it to be incredibly similar in feel to _Swordspoint_. 
I'd love to see a story where Alec, Richard, Crowe and Aelwin meet. Can 
you imagine a bitchiness contest between Aelwyn and Alec? 

"Unicorn Hunt" (Year's Best Fantasy & Horror 9) was okay 'though I found 
"Lazarus" (Heroic Visions II) a much more intriguing 
story about Lazarus Merridon. In the intro to "Lazarus," the editor 
mentions that it's a prequel to "The Unicorn Masque"--anybody read it?

******************

Re Ladyslipper: This is the really cool company that carries Loreena 
McKennitt's music. They now have a website http://www.ladyslipper.org
Order "Mask & the Mirror" NOW!!! *doing the Bookseller Broad's Boogie 
'cause I sold 3 copies of MatM today* They also carry a nice selection of 
Celtic/New Age/World music: Clannad, Enya, Connie Dover, Libana, Dead Can 
Dance, October Project, Dadawa...
 ****************

Mat our Green Feline and new OouL asked about MZB:

IMO, if you're going to dive into Darkover, pick a stand alone like
_Stormqueen_ or _Hawkmistress_ or the first of a loose grouping like _The
Shattered Chain_ which is the first Darkover book I read and I didn't have
any problems following it. Just be prepared for the little inconsistancies
between the books :) You might pick up one of the anthologies too to give
you a taste of Darkover. I read _Ghostlight_ and _Witchlight_ and thought
that they were just ok. You have read _Mists of Avalon_ haven't you? Which
I think is her best book by far! BTW, I think that we first meet Kennard 
Alton in _Bloody Sun_ not _Forbidden Tower_ IIRC. 

Yes! Yes! Check out the anthologies that Ellen Datlow and Terri Windling
edit. In addition the Year's Best Fantasy & Horror anthos, they edit an
annual collection of fairy tale type stories.  Not only do they choose
superb stories but they ususally provide recommended reading lists that I
find myself agreeing with more often than not ;)
 **********************

Kory, I'm with Danya and Mat about the Empire bits in SB. Yawn zzzzzz. 
And if you look at the hardcover editions of the Gryphon and Storm books,
you'll see that this isn't the first time Jody Lee has used a detail from
her front cover for the back illustration. Sigh. I want more covers like
Oathbound and Oathbreakers. 

*************************
And thinking about illustrations--has anyone looked at _Barlowe's Guide 
to Fantasy_? His illustration of Kero is on the cover. Doesn't look a bit 
like how I imagine her. Neither does his illustration of Pterry's Mort. 
Anyone else?
*****************************

I am the bearer of Sad Tidings. Princess Kimorene has had to leave the 
list by Parental Decree. I'm sure that I won't be the only one to miss 
our Ray of Sunshine. *sniff*
*******************************

Khenta, I mailed out your book a couple weeks ago. Have you received it yet?
********************

Undine

"See, my boy? That is a mermaid! And I want you to remember it, because 
there's no such thing!" --Avram Davidson "Prevalence of Mermaids"


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Date:          Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:47:54 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
Message-ID: <12B8F534576-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

"I believe they are lovebonded, which is what Skif and Nyara are, or 
Vanyel and Stefan...."
Vanyel and Stefan are also lifebonded, not just lovebonded.
Jacquelle
Oh, very clever, Worf.  Eat any good books lately?
--Q

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:49:19 -0400
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Reply to: books again
Message-ID: <199610222049_MC1-B3F-45C9-+AT+-compuserve.com>

ooohhh drool

deniz, if you don't want the Celtic books could you please buy them and
send them to mail and I'll reimburse you? slaver, drool, pant

sorry to post this to the list, couldn't locate deniz's private addy

could you email me at rozanm-+AT+-wow.com?

firemist

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mat Timmerman <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: forgive me, no time for a good subject line
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961022203624.24052F-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>

> Okay a little late but better then not at all --- HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAT THE 
> CAT!!!!!!  How about a pudding poke cake for a belated birthday cake? 
> Whatever your favorite flavors of cake and pudding are that is what it 
> is. 

<g>  Thanks Mishi! :)

> Well, I just ordered two of HA's cd's - I can't wait to get themwith 
> what all of you have been saying about how good she is. I ordered 
> Wanderlust and Live! They seemed to be the ones most recommended.

I wish Live did come on CD.  Then I wouldn't have to keep fastforwarding
past "Beggar Girl".  Ick, but that song grates on my nerves.

============================================================================
> From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>

> >Try 75 columns.  Normal screen width is 80, so give yourself a little
> >bit of leeway.
> 
> I'm hoping this one works..

Yup, it's fine.

> not really so vague...the concordance specifies that when talia was 
> chosen she was newly 13, and elspeth was 7...and in aflight it says el is 
> almost 14...

You don't need the concordance for Talia's age.  The first scene in AotQ
takes place on her 13th birthday -- remember "the talk"?

==========================================================================
> From: D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
> Mat moaned;
> >[moans and wimpers resound from the huddled, shaking figure that is Mat]
> >
> >Nottttt, th-th-the Van-as-Bard discussion again...  The
> >"Is-Talia-daydreaming" thread was bad enough.....  *Wimper*
> 
> Hah! ya gotta be tougher than that to hang out here! 

:P  pthbbbbb! 

> So, who thinks Elspeth and Darkwind are/aren't Lifebonded?

Oh no, we're NOT going there! :)

============================================================================
> From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA

> Does HA really have a voice that would say something as cruel as that seems?  
> I have to get her stuff soon, anyway.

Well, she was doing the Fairy Queen talking to goblins at the time.
I think the quote is actually, "You *must* be joking." It's an
odd little storytelling thing that she did on Wanderlust.  "An Sceal" is
the "song".


===========================================================================
From: Kerry Mealing <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>
<<<<<<<<
Yeah, it's not her best - she waffles a little. For a stunning 
[co-authored] series of hers, try Daughter/Servant/Mistress of the
Empire, co-authored with Raymond E. Feist. (And for a change, the 
combination of them writing together works a lot better than either 
of them writing on their own). Wurts' Stormwarden series is a lot
better, IMHO.
>>>>>>>>
I have the first Empire book sitting on a shelf, unread at the moment.
Sooner or later, I'll read it.

<<<<<<<<
I like Eddings' Belgariad/Mallorean a lot as well. The characters are 
old friends and the reuse of plots is at least covered by his in-book 
explanation; besides which, he runs variations on the all the subtle
details in between.
>>>>>>>>>

Mmm-hmmm.  I agree.

<<<<<<<<<
- Who was the chap who smiled at Dave when he left the Logres bar late in 
  the book (the other owner of the Logres, obviously, and possibly a 
  Guardian, but who -was- he and why did his smile have such an effect?).
>>>>>>>>>

That kind of bothered me too.  Probably just a thread that Misty forgot
about.

<<<<<<<<<
is that the reference to Lios alfar going across the sea, to a land
of eternal song was just a little too heavy-handedly a Tolkein derivative
for me to let it past. I know, Fionvar is supposed to be the first world
which all others echo etc, but somehow it just jarred me out of the 
reverie.
>>>>>>>>>

Well, IIRC, GGK wrote the Fionavar stuff right after he helped Christopher
Tolkein edit _The Silmarillion_.  It's not surprising that they're
a bit Tolkein-eque.


===========================================================================
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
<<<<<<<
On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
> going to take an Anthropology class titled, "Witchcraft, Magic,
> and Healing."   And according to sources, the professor is
> some variety or other of pagan herself.   Hmm, I knew that there
> was a Wiccan drama/dance professor....

	Augh! You've got a class like taht at your school?!? Grrr...now I
want one. The closest we've come is having someone bring in a tape of
Starhawk...no idea what it's about either. It's going to be shown
tomorrow. It was fun telling Cath that Starhawk was coming to our school,
leaving out the significant fact that it's a video, though. <weg> >:) 
>>>>>>>>>

It ought to be an interesting class.  Wonder what kind of text we'll use?

<<<<<<<
> Hey, but I didn't call you Jaggie-poo again!  Some protector you are
> Jaggie-kins.  Tsk, Tsk.
> 
	I protect you from other people. Not from your own big mouth.
Pbbbththt! >:)
>>>>>>>>

My, my, what's ever the matter Jaggareeno?  Jaggie-pie?  <weg>


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Kaatje wrote:
<<<<<<<<<<<
No, they're not!  Uh Uh!  No NO NO!!!  (Sorry, I'm a little overheated 
about the subject--all is kindly meant, I assure you.)  Now, according to 
Misty herself (in an interview somewhere?  yes?  Am I getting this 
right?) Kero and Eldan are NOT lifebonded.  Nope, nope!  They are both 
mindspeakers, who miss each other a great deal, so when they're asleep 
(in other words *in trance*) they can "talk" to each other, the same way 
Talia followed Ylsa (sp?)  But according to Misty, they're not lifebonded.
>>>>>>>>>>>

I think that she said in QO that the only new lifebond in BTS is
Selenay and Daren.  Which rules out Kero and Eldan.

<<<<<<<<<<
You know, I miss Talia.  I really identified with her (quiet, shy, timid 
and nervous around strangers) and I had a pretty good time going through 
training with her.  Her present calm demeanor and quiet certainty is 
>>>>>>>>>>

I know what you mean.  Talia's my favorite Misty character actually.
When I was younger, I was kind of shy, bookish, and had few real
friends.  Even now, I'm not very talkative around strangers (My
best friend's boy friend is always saying that I'm sooo different
normally than I was when we first met.  That time, I was quiet.
He knows me better now! <g> )

<<<<<<<<<<
I haven't read Storm Breaking 
yet, so I don't know what Misty says in there, but it seems to me as long 
as we're compiling a "wish list", another novel about Talia would be in 
order.
>>>>>>>>>>

IIRC, Talia hardly even gets a cameo in SB.  Just a "one of the council"
thing.  I want more Talia too!

==========================================================================
From: Disney <JES001-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
<<<<<<<<<
BTW>....I was wondering where I could get HEather Alexander stuff.
I'm starting to be really curious by all the talk about it...Is
it something that could be found in the mall like a Musicland or
someting that I'd have to order specially?
>>>>>>>>

Nope, you've got to order it.  Firebird, Seafire, Random Factors, etc.


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"Each man builds his own garden, by what
Adept, and God of Procrastination| his heart says is true. And I thank
Heathen #???                     | the stars, that watch over me,
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | because ours, is a garden for two."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/|               - Heather Alexander
	          




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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:20:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jessica M Edmunds <Jessica.M.Edmunds-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Heyla!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961022200731.13702A-100000-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu>


I guess this is to everyone... hello, good day, heyla, whatever...
I'm not sure whether I subscribed to this or a friend did for me, but you 
can imagine my suprise at finding 2,248 messages waiting for me when I 
checked my e-mail for the first time upon returning to college!!  I've 
apparently been getting stuff since August, and I have no idea what this 
is!  

I like Misty, I read all of her stuff a long (LONG) time ago, and have 
been getting everything else as it comes out, but I have a lot of other 
favorite authors as well.  (anything fan, scifi, darksider, alternative, 
weird, trippy, Celtic, etc)

My current favorite topics of conversation are Bab5 (can't wait 'till 
Thursday!!); anything involving Neil Gaiman; Celtic culture & music; and 
RenFests (I work the Minnesota one).  

I'll be around.....
		Zhai'helleva!
				Camaryn

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:51:41 -0400
From: Rose <prose-+AT+-ctol.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Van's Rape
Message-ID: <326D7A2D.1AC2-+AT+-ctol.net>

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:37:00 -0400
From: Perry Rose <prose-+AT+-ctol.net>
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I realize this topic has nearly been written to death, but it took me a 
while to figure out why I have such a strong reaction to any mention of 
rape.  What I see from everyone's thoughts is that we were all extremely 
effected by these scenes, especially Vanyel's.  I think that is great.  
Rape is one of the most horrible violations that a person can endure and 
since none of you are taking this flippantly, congrats! you are much 
better people than most I have the dubious honor of knowing.  My bf was 
raped twice and now every time I read something that will help bring the 
truth of this horror home to people I feel a little gratification for 
her sake.  If Misty is able to effect people so much with her writting 
as to have an entire listing devoted to her work, then maybe she can 
have some small help in stopping a tragedy that happens way too often.
Sorry for the soap-box routine but I feel a need to vent myself 
sometimes.
                               Dyana


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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elizabeth Angell <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Heyla!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961022191035.21560B-100000-+AT+-homer12.u.washington.edu>



On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Jessica M Edmunds wrote:

> 
> I guess this is to everyone... hello, good day, heyla, whatever...
> I'm not sure whether I subscribed to this or a friend did for me, but you 
> can imagine my suprise at finding 2,248 messages waiting for me when I 
> checked my e-mail for the first time upon returning to college!!  I've 
> apparently been getting stuff since August, and I have no idea what this 
> is!  
> 
> I like Misty, I read all of her stuff a long (LONG) time ago, and have 
> been getting everything else as it comes out, but I have a lot of other 
> favorite authors as well.  (anything fan, scifi, darksider, alternative, 
> weird, trippy, Celtic, etc)
> 
> My current favorite topics of conversation are Bab5 (can't wait 'till 
> Thursday!!); anything involving Neil Gaiman; Celtic culture & music; and 
> RenFests (I work the Minnesota one).  
> 
Yeeehaw!  Another one!  (Raindancer jumps for joy at finding another B5
freak!)  And I see it on thursday too. <sigh>  some friends on the
John/delenn list have too wait till Sunday <shudder of horror> while some
lucky SOBs get it on Monday.

Well, welcome to the list, judging from your interests you'll fit in well.
<g> But watch out for the weirdos (Moi? Weird? Never!) <g> and the flying
tackle hugs, they can be bruising.

Zhai'helleva, 'S e do bheatha, & Love,
Elyse Raindancer.

"We are all Kosh"


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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 02:13:40 UT
From: "Valerie Sanford" <lessing-+AT+-msn.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: FW: FDiscussedTopics/bookstore access/lists of lists/
Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199610230224260967-+AT+-msn.com>



> So, who thinks Elspeth and Darkwind are/aren't Lifebonded?
> <grin>
NINA Wrote:

AHHHH!  Let's not go there.  However, I want to know if anyone thinks Kero
and Eldan are lifebonded?  Their relationship was a bit out of the ordinary. 
When they're in the cave, doesn't Eldan feel something like a shock (you
know, the kind experienced by Talis-Dirk and later by Selenay-Deren)?  Just
wondering.

Nina (ducking quickly to avoid being hit by possibly thrown objects for
posting something that has most likely been overdone)



I'd like to go there.  I don't think Elspeth and Darkwind are lifebonded, 
although Firesong seems to hint at that.  There just didn't seem to be any 
"shock" when they met.  I think there's just tremendous love and respect, 
which is just fine for a lifepairing.

HOWEVER - I do think Eldon and Kero are lifebonded.  I happen to really like 
their relationship.  Weird I know, but I think this dreamscape stuff is really 
cool.   Kind of like a real-fantasy.  I would like to read more about Kero and 
Eldon and what happens with the Skybolts.  I think my favorite book of the 
entire Velgarth series is BTS.  SO many of my favorite characters are part of 
the plot and I like to see how she brings all the countries together.


Eldon and Kero are I belive lifebonded because of the strength of their tie to 
last for years and through great distances.

And frankly, if I can be so bold, I'm not worried if this has been posted to 
death.  It hasn't since I've been on the list and with the number of "I'm a 
Newbie" posts, I think we can talk about almost anything.  If you've been 
there, done that to death, just delete.

Welcome thoughts about Eldon/Kero

Thanks

Val

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:27:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elizabeth Angell <eangell-+AT+-u.washington.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Missing talia /the Last Unicorn/the Corrs
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961022191741.21560C-100000-+AT+-homer12.u.washington.edu>



> 
> You know, I miss Talia.  I really identified with her (quiet, shy, timid 
> and nervous around strangers) and I had a pretty good time going through 
> training with her.  Her present calm demeanor and quiet certainty is 
> something that I have always wished for.  I'm not desperate for 
> happiness, I just want a little peace, which it seems I will never have.  
> (Maybe I should go in for Kolinahr.)   We've gotten little bits here and 
> there about her life...having a child, becoming a priestess of Vkandis, 
> etc.  She is one of the few calm and centered characters in 
> Misty's literature that really *works*.  I haven't read Storm Breaking 
> yet, so I don't know what Misty says in there, but it seems to me as long 
> as we're compiling a "wish list", another novel about Talia would be in 
> order.
> 
AGREED.  She's my favorite too, and I miss her. I'm hoping desperately
that there will be some
stories about her in The anthology coming out.  I'm suffering, none of my
favorites were really in SB much. <sigh>  I'd also like to see something
focusing on Selenay, I liked her so much in Arrows and then we see so
little of her in the past few books :-(

Oh, whoever was looking for the music from THe Last Unicorn, well, that
Kenny Loggins tape someone else mentioed, "Return to Pooh Corner" has the
song the Last Unicorn on it, and it is the song from the movie.  I found
out that my littlest sister had just gotten a copy and , um, borrowed the
tape.  I love that song.  BTW, does anyone else like The Corrs?  They're a
newish Irish group that play a cool mix of trad. & Celtic-influenced soft
rock.

Zhai'helleva, 'S e do bheatha, & Love,
 Raindancer

"We are all Kosh"


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Date:        Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:47:04 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Talia/Tolkien/lifebonds
Message-ID:  <22OCT96.23527389.0076.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

I agree that Talia is the calm, centered character in Valdemar, which is
why I don't particularly want another book about her.  She was great
when she was young and confused, but now I think she's a little too
perfect to make an interesting main character.  If Talia is a major
player in future books, I hope she becomes a little less Serene and
Capable.

Tolkien did draw a lot of his mythology from Teutonic sources, but he
was also more than familiar with Celtic sources, especially when it came
to his elves.  The elven language was based on Welsh, in fact, so there
was probably some connection in his mind between the Middle Earth elves
and the Celtic sidhe.

Hello!  Nyara and Skif were lovebonded, but Vanyel and Stef were
DEFINITELY lifebonded.  I promise.  Look it up in the scene after their
first night together, after Vanyel wakes up from his dream about
Tylendel.

Hmm, skirting the edges of the rape issue, I'd say that she does use it
an awful lot, and I'm sure it's related to this idea Misty seems to have
that powerful people cannot be both ethical and sexual at the same time.
Everyone who has power in her books is either very asexual or a sexual
predator.  I'm kinda glad in Tiger Burning Bright that the major bad guy
wants to capture the princess, but he has zero interest in her sexually.
As my she'enedra mentions, Misty has a habit of making her bad guys of
exactly the right sexual orientation to want the main character
(Ancar/Elspeth, Krebain/Leareth/Vanyel, Thalkharsh/T&K,
Falconsbane/everyone), as if we won't believe he's REALLY bad unless he
threatens to rape someone.
   As for Vanyel's rape, maybe it should have been less graphic, I don't
know.  But I am kind of glad it was in there, just because so few people
ever deal with the fact that men get raped, too -- which makes life
exceedingly difficult for men who *are* raped and don't have the
resources and the support structure that women have spent thirty years
building for each other.  It's a real temptation for men to believe that
a) this never happens to other men and b) if they were really strong and
manly, it wouldn't have happened to them.  I liked it that Misty
acknowledged first of all that it does happen, and second that it
happens even to very strong and capable people sometimes -- it's hardly
a sign of weakness if it can happen to the man who could bring Haven
down around his ears by thinking hard.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu

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