MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 905 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) MyFirstBraid:Virus/Heather/Misty and Friends by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 2) Re: LHM/apollo 13/sexism/future books by jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin) 3) Space/YKYBRTMMW... by Mat the Cat in Green 4) Re:judgemental by Becky Anne Christensen 5) Re: Space/YKYBRTMMW... by Korendil 6) Filk test/judging by "Hth." 7) Meyers-Briggs "J" by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net 8) Re: Tarot/MOC by ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) 9) Re: Meyers-Briggs "J" by Alice Pinard 10) Space Song Quiz by Mat the Cat in Green 11) Re: MyFirstBraid:Virus/Heather/Misty and Friends by Teleute 12) Re: Meyers-Briggs "J" by Tensen 13) Re: MyFirstBraid:Virus/Heather/Misty and Friends by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 14) Good Times! by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 15) Braid: Ferris or Fellis/Valdemar by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) 16) Greetings! by Nicole Dubuc 17) Crest/Valemar's flight/founding books by Mat the Cat in Green 18) Re: Crest/Valemar's flight/founding books by Korendil 19) Valdemarian mages by Charlene Joan Falkiner 20) Re: founding books by Mat the Cat in Green ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 22:28:34 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: MyFirstBraid:Virus/Heather/Misty and Friends Message-ID: <199610270338.XAA20118-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> I'm sorry about posting that Virus Warning. I agonized about whether or not to post it for a full 24 hours. Finally, "It's important, people should know, and I care about these people," won out over Lady Beth's, "Don't post anything that says 'Please Forward to as Many People As You Can.'" Hey, it was better than a chain post, wasn't it? ----------------------------------------- Heather, I want to meet your sister. I wish there were more people like her in this world. I don't know how I'll ever provide the kind of environment where my kids (maybe and *very* far off in the future) will grow up similar to that. (You know, non-judgmental). Hmmm... Now that I say that and remember your survey results about a ton of us being judging... I wonder... Don't take that the wrong way, all you J people! :) ----------------------------------------- You know what? This whole thread reminds me of Cennydd(I'm not sure, was it you?)'s question about if Misty tightened any relationships for us. Well, I met my first best friend at boarding school because of Misty. We were RPG'ing, and it being my first time (Egads, my mother listens to those people who say RPG'ing is devil-worshipping, etc...), I considered using Mornelithe as my character's name. Of course, she snapped up and said, "Mornelithe? Where'd you get that from?" And then, it turned out she knew I was the one with all the Winds books out of the library (Yes, they were my intro. to Velgarth -- I should re-read them soon). One thing led to another, and we became best friends. Another of my best friends also reads Misty, but they were friends before I came, and I don't know which of them introduced her to whom. Ah, well. Anyway, we always shoved our Misty books off on newbies to our table as a kind of welcome/open-mindness test(Past tense--I'm in University now). Oh, yeah. She had me read LHM to "feel me out" before she came out to me. And then, when she told me (hinted sort of ambiguously), my reply was, "You mean you're shaych? Oh." sorta thing. Anyway, that's enough out of me for today. I really hope I'm still subscribed ! love, deniz sarikaya, now enjoying|...that which we are, we are,-- a clean house and eating |One equal temper of heroic hearts, something *good*! |Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will |To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA -- Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:53:05 -0400 From: jmacjm19-+AT+-vcomm.net (gar&julie mclaughlin) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LHM/apollo 13/sexism/future books Message-ID: Susan said: >Julie, > >Could you please tell me where you live? I want to make sure I never get >within a hundred miles of the place! > Certainly! I live north of Syracuse, NY, in a tiny town called Palermo. Actually, it was the PTA that said that. I stopped by the library (where the books are now) and was talking to the librarian about it today. She told me "Do you know what you started? Some of the kids heard about "those" books, and have checked them out to see why they were banned!" She now has a waiting list to check out the books, and several requests for more Misty books. It looks like the PTA's comments backfired. Oddly those kids have passed LHM on to their parents to look at, and it appears that the parents, while not particularly happy about the content, told the librarian that they didnt feel like they were THAT bad! Perhaps the PTA did us a favor. By being so mad about it, they have half the community reading Misty! Go figure. -------------------------------- On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 Hth. said; > >>I almost got laughed out of my own room last weekend for admitting that I >>really liked Apollo 13. > >And what is wrong with "Apollo 13"? Or is it the Space Program your >friends object to? Hey, I loved Apollo 13! I thought it was a great movie! I also happen to be a firm believer in the Space Program. I just wish they would get ON with it! I want to get off this rock someday! (Only for a vacation though. A hotel on Mars perhaps?) ----------------------------- >On Thu, 24 Oct 96 Korendil asked; > >{attribution lost} >>> Most women/girls however are taught to be cute, cuddley, warm, soft >>>spoken, don't ask, don't be rude, don't win the game, let the boys win, >>>..... We teach our girls to mold themselves to others. It would be >>>nice to have the pendulum swing the other way so maybe we could balance >>>out the course. Just my humble opinion. I grew up in a family of 4 boys and 2 girls, and that is exactly what my sister and I were taught! Matter in fact, until I was 14 ( and in Boarding school) I wasnt allowed to wear pants!!!! Only below the knee length dresses! And that was in 1982! My mother even protested the school for wanting us to wear shorts for P.E., because she said it was "unbecoming". Oddly, it was my brothers that were against it, and made sure we were allowed to play baseball and run around in the hills. (of course, we could only do it AFTER we finished our piano lessons.) Unfortunatly,that attitude stuck with my sister. She's married, has 2 kids and has never had a job, and is teaching her daughter the same way she was taught. I almost got caught in the same thing, but I working to remedy that. My daughter wont be raised that way. My husband is already planning for her Karate and gun safety classes! I think the women now who's parents were young enough to be involved in the womans civil rights movement are more likely to be "independent" than those of us whose parents were raised in the 30's, like mine. But gender bias is still around, and probably always will be to a certain extent. --------------------------------- David said: >OBMisty: Think we'll ever see a book set in **some** (any!) earlier >period of Valdemar history or is this as hopeless as wanting a book >in Velvar? > I believe Misty has throw around the Idea of doing the story of Baron Valdemar, but I dont think she has any plans for writting it any time soon. But she did say that she would write about Valdemar as long as we still read them, so eventually she might not have a choice! I hope so, because I would really like to hear about the beginnings. Ok, I'll shut up now. Sorry about the rant on sexism, but it still bugs me. Wind to thy wings! Julie (hopes to be) Goddess of Fields and Fens ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Space/YKYBRTMMW... Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, gar&julie mclaughlin wrote: > Hey, I loved Apollo 13! I thought it was a great movie! I also happen to be > a firm believer in the Space Program. I just wish they would get ON with > it! I want to get off this rock someday! (Only for a vacation though. A > hotel on Mars perhaps?) "And what was so hard won has been abandoned/Our journey to the stars got off the track/But we'll return one day to claim/what we once lost we will regain/We're goin back/I swear to God we're goin back." Oops, spontaneously burst into song there. Now, can anyone name the filk song this came from, and who sang it? (if 'Talyah was still around, she'd know it......) ========================================================================== You Know You've Been Reading Too Much Misty When: You walk into a movie theater, just in time to see the end of the comming attractions, see the words "The Devil's Own", and your first, shocked thought is, "Talia?!?!?" And yes, this did happen to me tonight. Pathetic, huh? BTW - the movie was "The Long Kiss Goodnight", and it was a really good movie. Funny, I never pictured Geena Davis as an action hero before....... Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"The blue rose, rare, one cannot Adept, and God of Procrastination| gain, if glove or guard be worn. Heathen #??? | 'Tis only when, one risks the pain, mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | of flesh against the thorn." http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:judgemental Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA wrote: > (You know, non-judgmental). Hmmm... Now that I say that and remember > your survey results about a ton of us being judging... I wonder... Don't take > that the wrong way, all you J people! :) Well, the Myers-Briggs definition of judging isn't judgemental like we use it. It means judgemental in the sense of we judge what we see around us, and tend to be neater, organized, logical, and practical (I think, I don't remember exactly what it is, the paper is at school) But it has nothing to do with being judgemental towards other people. While it's opposite the P people (like, me!) tend to percieve waht is around us, go more by feeling and emotion, are usually less organized (that's me, right there, I hate orginazation) There's more, but I don't remember it. They refer to how we see what is around us. I think, I could of course be thinking of something completely different here, and it could all be wrong. But I think it's right. If it's not, I'm sure someone else will correct me Okay, Bye! Lady Becky(LIG), Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.) Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 02:11:49 -0500 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: Space/YKYBRTMMW... Message-ID: <9610270716.AA14333-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, gar&julie mclaughlin wrote: >> Hey, I loved Apollo 13! I thought it was a great movie! I also happen to be >> a firm believer in the Space Program. I just wish they would get ON with >> it! I want to get off this rock someday! (Only for a vacation though. A >> hotel on Mars perhaps?) > >"And what was so hard won has been abandoned/Our journey to the stars >got off the track/But we'll return one day to claim/what we once lost we >will regain/We're goin back/I swear to God we're goin back." > >Oops, spontaneously burst into song there. Now, can anyone name >the filk song this came from, and who sang it? (if 'Talyah was >still around, she'd know it......) "We're Goin' Back" I figured that it'd prolly be on spotlight, took the time to find my spotlight tape, and when I do, I put it in, wait for it to come around...it didn't seem to be, so I found an old firebired catalogue and found the tape in there, saw a song called "We're GOin' Back", and at the same time the damned song goes ON! ObMIsty: um..um...um...do you take credit? -+AT+-LIDNEROK________________________________________________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of All Things Nocturnal, Ailurophile, and #Macintosh Op. |U BED.NET____________________________________________________TEN.DEB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:54:12 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: Filk test/judging Message-ID: <27OCT96.02055637.0038.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> Hmmm. The song is called..."Going Back," I think. That sounds too easy, though. Is this a trick? It's a Leslie Fish song, though -- or at least, the version I heard was Leslie. I assume she wrote it. Sounds like Leslie. Actually, while Becky is right about the Judging/Perceiving aspect of the personality, as far as she went, there *is* an element of, well, judging involved. I don't mean that in a negative way, but in the sense of justice and judgement -- that Judging people tend to have strong views on right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable. Obviously, this can lead to being "judgemental," in the icky sense, but not necessarily. For example, the INFJ is a born activist. They see something they feel is unjust or simply wrong, and they fight it tooth and toenail, because they have "judged" that such a thing should not be. We'd be lost without that kind of "judgemental" attitude. INFPs are the sweethearts of the world, but tend to prefer everyone getting along and taking care of one another to righting the world's wrongs. INFPs are hard-core idealists, but often try to be very accomodating and forgiving, sometimes at the expense of their own causes. (No one write me nasty notes. I am an INFP, and I think they're great. I'm just saying that sometimes being too non-judgemental can be a hindrance to yourself.) HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 02:11:40 -0600 From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Meyers-Briggs "J" Message-ID: Lady Becky has it quite right, as far as "judgmental" not being about attitudes toward people or situations. To add to what she said, a primary character difference is that "J"s need closure, where "P"s like to keep all their options open. Go Gently, Tresta %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Tresta shena Jor'ethan "Love must live free." Healer to horses -Shin'a'in Teaching %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ============================================================================== "To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us." ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:46:48 +0800 From: ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg (Lady Windsong) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarot/MOC Message-ID: <199610271146.TAA26601-+AT+-sunflower.singnet.com.sg> Wintersong wrote: Re: Cenn's Tarot posting. >Could I have a copy of that too? Private e-mail to ckwok-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg. My mail >programme crashed for a week and all the messages came in blank. Umm, sorry, but could I have a copy too? I umm..deleted it by mistake. That'll teach me to be trigger-fingered with the 'delete' button. Umm, like Wintersong, please private email ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg . Thanks a trillion, everyone! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, since I'm already here: I got textevd about presumptive MO's and the Choosing. It's from MPromise, pg 48: Van, on Jisa: "Yfandes guesses that if she needs the training, between age eight and ten. Remember, for the presumptive King's Own, that won't be a bonded Choosing--she won't bond until--until she gets the office. Then she'll bond with Taver." And since Keren had the tightest bonding etc, etc, etc (sorry, can't remember, and no textevd), I guess she wouldn't have been Chosen MO anyway. I suppose that sort of means that if it is known that a person is going to *be* MO, (s)he would have an unbonded Choosing, just so that (s)he could get training? And so the Companions must have known that neither Keren nor her twin, umm, Teren? would have been MO, right? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heather said about Apollo 13: > I happened to think it was thoroughly exciting. I got the "poor >thing; just leave her be, it's kinder," look. I get those a lot at home > Usually when I come home raving excited about a new filk tape. I *loved* it!!!! I watched it on LD, missed the movie, and I was riveted to the screen!!! (Back to your regularly scheduled mad--umm, Misty list. ) Zhai'helleva! Lady Windsong, & Lyrra and Kelei & Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time. Goddess of the Sea & --Robert Jordan, _Eye of the World_. The Lady of Peace & http://members.tripod.com/~Windsong/lyrra.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:06:15 -0500 (EST) From: Alice Pinard To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Meyers-Briggs "J" Message-ID: Hmmmm.... ok, so if I'm a disorganized, hate to throw things away person.... but in social matters I like to know exactly what's going on... like, in a definite, sit down and talk about it and can be explained in words matter ..... does that have anything to do with anything? ObMisty: hmmm.... this one's gonna haveta be good..... ummmm... Hey, whaddya think Misty is myers-briggs-wise? Alice Pinard, Demon Squirrel of Farmington On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 singer-+AT+-iglobal.net wrote: > > Lady Becky has it quite right, as far as "judgmental" not being about > attitudes toward people or situations. To add to what she said, a primary > character difference is that "J"s need closure, where "P"s like to keep all > their options open. > > Go Gently, > > Tresta > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > Tresta shena Jor'ethan "Love must live free." > Healer to horses -Shin'a'in Teaching > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > ============================================================================== > > "To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us." > > ============================================================================== > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:54:21 -0500 (EST) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Space Song Quiz Message-ID: I sang: > >"And what was so hard won has been abandoned/Our journey to the stars > >got off the track/But we'll return one day to claim/what we once lost we > >will regain/We're goin back/I swear to God we're goin back." Kory said: > "We're Goin' Back" > > I figured that it'd prolly be on spotlight, took the time to find my > spotlight tape, and when I do, I put it in, wait for it to come > around...it didn't seem to be, so I found an old firebired catalogue and > found the tape in there, saw a song called "We're GOin' Back", and at the > same time the damned song goes ON! And Heather said: > Hmmm. The song is called..."Going Back," I think. That sounds too > easy, though. Is this a trick? It's a Leslie Fish song, though -- or > at least, the version I heard was Leslie. I assume she wrote it. > Sounds like Leslie. Well, you both got the title right (well, actually, Kory got it more right. It's "We're Goin' Back"). The album that I have it on is Duane Elms' "St. Elmos Fire", sung by Larry Warner (hence the 'Taylah comment, since we both drool over LW's voice). And Heather, according to the liner notes for St Elmo, (strange thought here: a sainted muppet), the song was written by Duane Elms. obMisty: Umm, I mentioned Larry Warner. He sings on several Misty filk tapes, so, um, that's my obMisty. :) Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"The blue rose, rare, one cannot Adept, and God of Procrastination| gain, if glove or guard be worn. Heathen #??? | 'Tis only when, one risks the pain, mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | of flesh against the thorn." http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| - Heather Alexander ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:55:23 -0600 (CST) From: Teleute To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MyFirstBraid:Virus/Heather/Misty and Friends Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA wrote: > You know what? This whole thread reminds me of Cennydd(I'm not sure, was it > you?)'s question about if Misty tightened any relationships for us. Well, I > met my first best friend at boarding school because of Misty. We were > RPG'ing, and it being my first time (Egads, my mother listens to those people > who say RPG'ing is devil-worshipping, etc...), I considered using Mornelithe > as my character's name. Of course, she snapped up and said, "Mornelithe? > Where'd you get that from?" And then, it turned out she knew I was the one > with all the Winds books out of the library (Yes, they were my intro. to > Velgarth -- I should re-read them soon). One thing led to another, and we > became best friends. Another of my best friends also reads Misty, but they > were friends before I came, and I don't know which of them introduced her to > whom. Ah, well. Anyway, we always shoved our Misty books off on newbies to > our table as a kind of welcome/open-mindness test(Past tense--I'm in > University now). Oh, yeah. She had me read LHM to "feel me out" before she > came out to me. And then, when she told me (hinted sort of ambiguously), my > reply was, "You mean you're shaych? Oh." sorta thing. I just starting LARPing at college and my character's names are usually hideous literary puns (I should probably be shot for "Allison Wanda Land")! I still haven't been able to explain to my mother the difference b/t a role-playing game and pinball, so I have no idea how she feels about that sort of thing, although she has been pretty open-minded about most of the odd literature I drag into the house. Probably b/c she gave up trying to understand it a long time ago. Misty is one of my favorite authors to introduce to new friends (some of the others being Gaiman, Pratchett, Douglas Adams, AA Milne, etc.) I've learned a few sad lessons about humanity that way, though. Somebody stole my first copy of "Winnie-the-Pooh" and just recently I loaned my Hitchiker's collection and Peter David books-on-tape to someone I trusted more than I should have, so I don't know if I'll ever see those again...(pauses to collect herself)...oh, well. Such is life. Teleute (Gone to the other side. Backson.) dpollock-+AT+-bayou.uh.edu "Every road leads back to my door Every road I will follow..." --Tori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:23:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Meyers-Briggs "J" Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Alice Pinard wrote: > Hmmmm.... ok, so if I'm a disorganized, hate to throw things away > person.... but in social matters I like to know exactly what's going on... > like, in a definite, sit down and talk about it and can be explained in > words matter ..... does that have anything to do with anything? > Disorganized? Maybe I should have dropped the tac nuke in your workroom instead of Christopher's that time. But I was too lazy to look where you were before I +JOINed to you. But Trinket, your workroom didn't look that disorganized. Is your RL stuff much more so then the virtual stuff?!? > ObMisty: hmmm.... this one's gonna haveta be good..... ummmm... Hey, > whaddya think Misty is myers-briggs-wise? > I'd say probably ENT something. I think with all her filk singing and other stuff, she's probbaly more towards an extrovert than an introvert. > >Alice Pinard, Demon Squirrel of Farmington Trinket draling, do you really want to be a demon and be my servant?!? Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 13:30:23 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MyFirstBraid:Virus/Heather/Misty and Friends Message-ID: <199610271840.NAA24152-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Teleute said: >>Misty is one of my favorite authors to introduce to new friends (some of the others being Gaiman, Pratchett, Douglas Adams, AA Milne, etc.)<< Hey, wait a minute. Those are the same people my friend introduced me to, too! Teleute, we all love her. Wait a minute...Free Bard Tanager, is that you? Oh, wait a minute. The e-mail addresses aren't the same. Also, I think she might use Epithumia over Teleute. Me, on the other hand? Probably Morpheus (I'm *such* a dreamer, and there's the music to consider...). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lady Beth said: >>On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA wrote: > (You know, non-judgmental). Hmmm... Now that I say that and remember > your survey results about a ton of us being judging... I wonder... Don't take > that the wrong way, all you J people! :) Well, the Myers-Briggs definition of judging isn't judgemental like we use it. It means judgemental in the sense of we judge what we see around us, and tend to be neater, organized, logical, and practical (I think, I don't remember exactly what it is, the paper is at school) But it has nothing to do with being judgemental towards other people. While it's opposite the P people (like, me!) tend to percieve waht is around us, go more by feeling and emotion, are usually less organized (that's me, right there, I hate orginazation) There's more, but I don't remember it.< and then Heather and other people picked up with more clarifications. Thanks, everybody. That makes it clearer to me now. Sorry for my misunderstanding. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Tensen said: >>Alice said: > ObMisty: hmmm.... this one's gonna haveta be good..... ummmm... Hey, > whaddya think Misty is myers-briggs-wise? > I'd say probably ENT something. I think with all her filk singing and other stuff, she's probbaly more towards an extrovert than an introvert.<< Really? Why Thinking? She seems to be a heavily Feeling person to me. Hah! And you didn't think I'd get my obMisty in. love, deniz sarikaya, taking the |...that which we are, we are,-- time to admire the colors on|One equal temper of heroic hearts, what trees there are in |Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will downtown Montreal! |To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA -- Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:19:14 -0800 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Good Times! Message-ID: <4x8cywHqhhyM088yn-+AT+-cet.com> On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 Lady Becky asked; >ENFP. And also, whoever wrote that last message, I found tons and *tons* >of absolute gibberish at the end, screen after screen of this > >fghkldf;590ugij4gj90gj9850[h0fihjti04[q5 > >well, you get the point, what's up with that? Is it just my computer, or >did something just go screwy? No, nothing is wrong with your computer, somebody posted a binary file to the list (probably either a mime type attached file or a picture) and for thoxe of us who don't have/bother with the software to interpet it it comes up as garbadge. 8-{(# ---------------------------------><+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 David Ramsden grumbled; > > >*sighs* Well at least it wasn't the goodtime virus again. In defense of the poster while it is old news this Trojan horse (not a virus) *is* for real and PKWare inc (or whatever their name is, the people who make the *real* PKunzip) have had a request up on their website since last spring for people to pass the news on. Not the same as the "good times virus" which, as we all know, DOES NOT EXIST! -------------------------------------><+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 Dawn said; >HTH >I just took the test and it says that I am ISFJ and after reading what >that is I have to agree. It sounds just like me. Just to be contrary, are you all aware of the old fortune tellers trick of throwing enough vague statements out that the mark can find the ones that fit and be impressed with how accurate you are? It's what keeps newspaper astrology columns (which are laughable if you know what goes into a real horoscope)(not that I belive in astrology anyway) going. 8-{)# OBMisty: There are no astrology columns in the nespapers in Valdemar? Come to think of it, have we ever seen astrologers on Velgrath? There was a Herald who studied the stars in LHM, but I had the impression he was an astronomer. David Tiffany, Dog of Yptots Mad, adj. Afflicted with a high degree of intellectual independence. -Ambrose Bierce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:30:05 +0000 From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Ferris or Fellis/Valdemar Message-ID: <199610272324.RAA10127-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net> Korendil wrote: >>>Oh, btw, is the difference between ferris and fellis oil just a typo? they have different entries in the concordance, yet basically seem to do the same thing...the bug repellent stuff...<<< Maybe they call it different things in different parts of Valdemar, like in Kansas, they call soda "pop" and in Hicktown, USA, they call Rush Limbaugh "God". If anyone takes him seriously or actually *likes* the man and was offended by that remark, please e-mail me privately; I'll be sure to send out a sincere apology and a reference to a mental institution. But anyway, I think that might be the case with ferris and fellis. Either that or Misty decided to change the spelling (like she did with Sayvel in BTS and Sayvil in the books after that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry about this fluff, but ARGH! I hate this song that they're playing on the radio!!!!! You know the one that goes "What goes up must come down"? That song sticks in my head every time I hear it! I want to kill the DJ -- twice! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mat wrote: >>>> From: gar&julie mclaughlin > IIRC, Sun and Shadow were heralds, they rescued the first prince of > Valdemar (Baron Valdemar's son) When he and his companion were captured > (Which is why the emblem of Valdemar is a companion with broken chains). I Ah, but we don't know that. In fact, the crest is *not* a Companions, it's a pegasus. <<< I thought that song was "Windrider Unchained." And is there an explanation as to why the crest is a Pegasus instead of a Companion? I think I have an idea about the broken chain -- it might symbolize Baron Valdemar and his people's flight from the Eastern Empire to their current location. No, that wasn't meant to be a play on "Pegasus". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Susan Cass quoted: >>>If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started.<<< Is that an original, or did you pick it up from somewhere? I love it! I gotta start keeping track of really fabu quotes... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tori -- I'm terribly sorry about your Hitchiker's collection and your Peter David books-on-tape. Fortunately, that's never happened to me yet, and I hope you see them again in good condition. BTW, I read the Trek books by PD, and they were absolutely wonderful. If you haven't read it (and this goes to anyone who is listening) read Imzadi, Vendetta, and Q-Squared by Peter David. It will make your life, not perfect, but definitely more enjoyable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I took that personality test, and mine was INTJ. I was kind of happy to find that I had the same personality type as Ensign Ro from ST:TNG. When I saw her name on the "fictional INTJ" list, I was thinking "Oh, so that's why I identify with her!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Dog of Yu[pd wrote: >>>OBMisty: There are no astrology columns in the nespapers in Valdemar? Come to think of it, have we ever seen astrologers on Velgrath? There was a Herald who studied the stars in LHM, but I had the impression he was an astronomer.<<< I think there are. IIRC, in Oathbreakers, Jadrek posed as an astrologer to the aristo ladies who had too much time on their hands and tried to pick up tidbits of info on what happened to Idra. I think he thought the idea of him, the scholar, being an astrologer hilariously funny. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And to those who deleted the Dog of Topwer's mail because it said "Good Times!", shame, shame -- but we don't know your name! Repeat after me... GOOD TIMES DOES NOT EXIST! Got that? I don't know if any of you actually deleted the message, but this is just in case you did. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay, that's it for now. Bye-bye! Love, Summersong &Spiffy the Cat ***************************************** Akiko Hirao "How many fingers am I holding up?(Vulcan salute)" "That's not very goddamn funny, Jim." -- Jim Kirk and Dr. McCoy STIII: The Search for Spock ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 20:08:26 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Dubuc To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Greetings! Message-ID: Salutations! Hello, all! I recently signed up to the mailing list, and I've kinda been following what's going on, but not completely. On the Meyers-Briggs, I scored an ENTX, so I can't say I truly judge or feel my way through things. As for the ferris vs fellis thing, maybe Misty just let it be Ferris (Buelers?) day off, and decided fellis should take over....Okay, bad pun, I apologize. But as for as spelling changes go, gryphon (Near and dear to me as a last name) is spelled differently in the songs at the end of Oathbreakers. Hmm. Maybe we could blame that on Leslac. He's been known to get other things wrong! Apollo 13 rocks, and as far as special effects and Sean Connery, so does Dragonheart. The rest of the movie wasn't so hot, but, hey, Sean Connery can make any movie worth watching! Does Misty have any plans to include gryphons as main characters in her upcoming creations, like in The Black Gryphon? Figured you guys would have the inside scoop. Also, I'm not really sure on the whole Email etiquitte thing, so if I screw up, please correct me ASAP. Wind to your wings, SCG- the one of golden talons and silver tongue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 20:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Crest/Valemar's flight/founding books Message-ID: Summersong wrote: > Mat wrote: > >>>> From: gar&julie mclaughlin > > > IIRC, Sun and Shadow were heralds, they rescued the first prince of > > Valdemar (Baron Valdemar's son) When he and his companion were captured > > (Which is why the emblem of Valdemar is a companion with broken chains). I > > Ah, but we don't know that. In fact, the crest is *not* a Companions, > it's a pegasus. > <<< > I thought that song was "Windrider Unchained." Yeah, and? Sunsinger and Shadowdancer appear in three songs (that Misty's had recorded, anyway). They are: "Meetings", "Sun and Shadow", and "Windrider Unchained". Acually, there might be more, since Bard Breda refers to "the Windrider Cycle" at one point. > And is there an explanation as to why the crest is a Pegasus instead of > a Companion? I think I have an idea about the broken chain -- it might > symbolize Baron Valdemar and his people's flight from the Eastern Empire > to their current location. No, that wasn't meant to be a play on > "Pegasus". I agree with the reason for the chains. And I think that it's possible that the Pegasus was his crest before he left the Empire. Whichever god(esse)s created the Companions may have chosen the horse shape because of that. Buuut, They didn't want the Companions to look totally abnormal (as they would with wings), so they became white "horses" instead of pegasi. Speaking of the Empire, there's one thing I just remembered that I liked that Misty did with the Empire in SW. Before Storms, all we knew about the Empire was that Baron Valdemar ran from there, and that, supposedly the he did it because the Emperor was evil (well, I don't think that the acutual Empire is mentioned before WoFury, but you know what I mean). Yet, in SW, when Charliss tries to remember who Baron Valdemar was, it sounds like Valdemar was just overreacting. Something to the effect that Valdemar's regional governor was bad, and instead of reporting this to the Emperor, he fled. It kind of takes the total black and white, good and evil thing that Misty tends to do away a bit. And speaking of Valdemar's flight, I don't really want to see an actual book about the Founding. Really, there's not much there that we need to know. For example, the Baron didn't know who sent the Companions, so we wouldn't learn that. The only thing that we might find out is an explicit reason for his flight. And that story would suffer the same fate as SG, IMHO. It's enough for a short story (maybe), but not for a whole book. Windrider/Sun and Shadow are different though. We know very little about them, and there are several mysteries to be cleared up WRT them. Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"Three things are no secret, Adept, and God of Procrastination| files that somehow hit the 'Net, Heathen #??? | your boss's secretary, and mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | the third thing....I forget." http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| -- "Threes rev 1.1" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 20:46:48 -0500 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: Crest/Valemar's flight/founding books Message-ID: <9610280151.AA13362-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> >Yeah, and? Sunsinger and Shadowdancer appear in three songs (that Misty's >had recorded, anyway). They are: "Meetings", "Sun and Shadow", and >"Windrider Unchained". Acually, there might be more, since Bard Breda >refers to "the Windrider Cycle" at one point. Yeah...I think we get hints to that in quite a few places, with it being called a Cycle and something about Meetings in the back of AFall...and stuff in the Concordance...hey: what if misty ISN'T stopping writing filk, she's just spending years making a cd of the Windride/Sun and Shadow Cycle! Ok..so maybe not..but still a kewl idea;> >Windrider/Sun and Shadow are different though. We know very little >about them, and there are several mysteries to be cleared up WRT them. Ah, but that should really be a trilogy INCLUDING the foudning, or something, since I think windrider was supposed to be the original Heir...wossname. It's in the concordance, SOMEWHERE. I think a tril with book 1: the founding, book 2: sun and shadow's curse, and book 3: windrider and sun and shadow breaking the curse would be kewl... -+AT+-LIDNEROK________________________________________________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of All Things Nocturnal, Ailurophile, and #Macintosh Op. |U BED.NET____________________________________________________TEN.DEB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 20:28:43 -0600 (CST) From: Charlene Joan Falkiner To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Valdemarian mages Message-ID: Hi, all. I was wondering. Are all of the mages in Maldemar chosen? What happens to the ones that aren't? I'm assuming that they end up out-of-kingdom, because all of the old magic is gone with Van, and they would have still had some if there were any unchosen mages around. What do you think? Char {ad655-+AT+-sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca} ***I fall upon the thorns of life*** ***I bleed*** ---Percy Shelley--- :):):):) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: founding books Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Korendil wrote: > >Yeah, and? Sunsinger and Shadowdancer appear in three songs (that Misty's > >had recorded, anyway). They are: "Meetings", "Sun and Shadow", and > >"Windrider Unchained". Acually, there might be more, since Bard Breda > >refers to "the Windrider Cycle" at one point. > > Yeah...I think we get hints to that in quite a few places, with it being > called a Cycle and something about Meetings in the back of AFall...and > stuff in the Concordance...hey: what if misty ISN'T stopping writing > filk, she's just spending years making a cd of the Windride/Sun and > Shadow Cycle! Ok..so maybe not..but still a kewl idea;> Yeah, we can dream..... And, according to the concordance, there's a cycle of both, Sun and Shadow, and Windrider. > >Windrider/Sun and Shadow are different though. We know very little > >about them, and there are several mysteries to be cleared up WRT them. > > Ah, but that should really be a trilogy INCLUDING the foudning, or > something, since I think windrider was supposed to be the original > Heir...wossname. It's in the concordance, SOMEWHERE. I think a tril with > book 1: the founding, book 2: sun and shadow's curse, and book 3: > windrider and sun and shadow breaking the curse would be kewl... For some reason, the idea of the founding as a book just doesn't interest me. It just seems to me that we do know everything about it that we need to. But, the others we know very little about. And no, Windrider is *not* the first Heir. The first Heir was Prince Restil, whose Companion is Steladar. (source: Orientation scene, and the concordance) Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"Three things are no secret, Adept, and God of Procrastination| files that somehow hit the 'Net, Heathen #??? | your boss's secretary, and mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | the third thing....I forget." http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/| -- "Threes rev 1.1" ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 905 *********************************