MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 909

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: fluff/gods
	by Wintershard <peallen-+AT+-naz.edu>
  2) Warning -- Fluff/Godhood stuff only
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  3) Re: Warning -- Fluff/Godhood stuff only
	by Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
  4) Re: Survey Info -- PLEASE READ
	by "Adrianne Fitzpatrick" <ajfabbey-+AT+-powerup.com.au>
  5) gods/goddesses-+AT+-fluffy.net/legal rights
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
  6) Re: ADMIN: oops!
	by Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
  7) Candlemark, psychology,etc.
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
  8) Brvaes Braiddson Hunts Out New Subject Ideas
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  9) ankhs/Q/Tori/legal stuff/misc.
	by Teleute <dpollock-+AT+-Bayou.UH.EDU>
 10) BDay Alert!
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 11) Re: gods/goddesses-+AT+-fluffy.net/legal rights
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 12) Re: Reply to: frogs
	by erikaplajer-+AT+-juno.com (Erika Plajer)
 13) ValdemarMUSH ???
	by dt622-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott A. Coniam)
 14) Re: ValdemarMUSH ???
	by ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com
 15) 
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 16) Re: Bday alert/Valdemar MUSH/Procrastination
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
 17) Re: ValdemarMUSH ???/BDay Update
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 18) Re: fluff/gods
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 19) ADMIN: dropped from list?
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 20) Re: ADMIN: dropped from list?
	by Shelley Kennon <kennon-+AT+-inetnow.net>

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:56:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Wintershard <peallen-+AT+-naz.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: fluff/gods
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.95.961029194535.5815B-100000-+AT+-orion.naz.edu>

Selkie wrote:

<<Oh, Wintershard, can I be your priestess, please?  I think I fit
the criteria.  I've always been subtle and discret,>>

  Hmm, I'll have to think about it. - Okay I'm done. I Name thee as
Priestess of Subtleness, Discreetness, and Crappy Weather. May you always
be not noticed by thine enemies, but laugh directly in their faces. Also,
you must always curse good weather as it comes.

<<and I think that even Crappy Weather can be fun if it happens on the
right days.  Of course, if I like it, maybe it doesn't count as crappy
weather.>>

Be strong, my follower. Crappy Weather is always fun if it's done with
style. Whenever you hear someone complain of the weather, be it rain,
snow, wind or drought, know that I am there, loving every second of it. 


(Cen, did I do ok on the thee's and thou's? Should I ready my joining the
Drifting Ashes Club <g>?)

Wintershard
God of Subtlety, Discreetness, and Crappy Weather




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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:44:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Warning -- Fluff/Godhood stuff only
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961029204048.5828D-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, Nicole Dubuc wrote:

> 	Ke'leecha (Who's other face is Nicole) Goddess of Diet Coke,
> Gryphons, and All Who Hate Calculus

Ke'leecha, you're new, so you don't know, but you can't just name
yourself a God or Goddess.  Only Lady Thess, Goddess of Nomenclature,
can do that.  All petitioners for Godhood must wait until Lady Thess's
workload lets up, and she can come back to the list, to be Named.

Oh, and I think that it's safe to say that no one can have official
worshippers or High Priest(ess)(s) until they have been Named.


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"Three things are no secret,
Adept, and God of Procrastination| files that somehow hit the 'Net,
Heathen #???                     | your boss's secretary, and
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | the third thing....I forget."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/|        -- "Threes rev 1.1"


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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:06:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Warning -- Fluff/Godhood stuff only
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961029205735.24292D-100000-+AT+-minerva.cis.yale.edu>

On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
> Ke'leecha, you're new, so you don't know, but you can't just name
> yourself a God or Goddess.  Only Lady Thess, Goddess of Nomenclature,
> can do that.  All petitioners for Godhood must wait until Lady Thess's
> workload lets up, and she can come back to the list, to be Named.

Damn!
And I thought I was blending by naming myself!  Okay, then, I'll petition
Lady Thess once she's back...But I really do have the qualifications...

I consume over 24 liters of Diet Coke a Day,
I hate Calculus with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.  In fact, 
I hate it so much, I burn volume/area problems in effigy!
And, as for the gryphons...Well, I've loved them since I was 5 and read
the "Pinkish-Purplish-Bluish Egg".  Plus...I draw them all over the
margins of my notes (no, not calculus.  That subject isn't worthy of
gryphons.)

Sorry, Mat, and others I may have offended with my careless Naming...
Just Plain Ke'leecha (Who hopes to be promoted to Goddess of Diet Coke,
Gryphons, and Those Who Hate Calculus) 

"All you need is ignorance and confidence.  Then success is sure"-
Mark Twain


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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:09:31 +0000
From: "Adrianne Fitzpatrick" <ajfabbey-+AT+-powerup.com.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Survey Info -- PLEASE READ
Message-ID: <199610300218.CAA27376-+AT+-enterprise.powerup.com.au>

>
 "Hth." wrote:
>> I've had requests for a list of people who've responded to my survey and
> their personality types.  While I don't personally see any reason to be
> secretive about the issue (there are no "good" or "bad" types), I
> absolutely won't release information like that against anyone's will.
> 
> Sooo, I'm going to wait a week, and anyone who is uncomfortable with
> having their Myers-Briggs type known, PLEASE let me know that, and I'll
> put you on Deep Background <g> I'll then distribute the rest of the info
> by private e-mail on request.
> 
> Fair?
> 
> 
> 
> HTH
> r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
> 

I for one responded and I don't have a problem with people knowing 
what I am. However, if others are uncomfortable with that, how about 
doing it with simply how many INFJs, how many ENTPs etc and perhaps 
the distribution between male and female. Do we need a list of who's 
what?   Just a thought.

Sorry, no obmisty today - I'm reading Jennifer Roberson's Lady of the 
Forest while I recover from a throat/chest infection so I don't have 
any Misty comments today.

Adrianne
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'Laugh for me. Joy is in the ears that hear.'
Foamfollower, First Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever
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ajfabbey-+AT+-powerup.com.au

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:42:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: gods/goddesses-+AT+-fluffy.net/legal rights
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.961029182506.1634A-100000-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>


	Oh great and honorable God and Goddess of Procarstination, I 
herby petition thee worthy souls to allow me to be thine Handmaiden of 
Procrastination. As evidence of my worthiness, I hereby submit the following

-I have *never* done a report sooner than 2 days before it is due. 
-I finished twenty vocabulary cards at lunch today to be handed in at the 
 next class
-I once did a complete Biology final prject (min. 6 pages) that same day 
 at school, typing like mad every chance I got.
-I never study for tests, and still haven't read a single chapter from my 
 AP History text (I cram the summaries five minutes before the test) and 
 still manage to have the 4th highest grade out of all the classes.
-And last of all, I was going to send this message a while ago, but never 
 got around to it :) <*weg*>

	What sayst thou? Shall I be thoust Handmaiden? To worship at your 
feet, bring thee yummy chocolate sheep, and wait on thine every desire, 
no matter how long it takes to get sround to it? 

(I know half the words aren't correct, but I made them up, and if 
Shakespeare can do it, then by golly so can I!) :)
=====================
Oh yeah, and is there a God/dess of caffeine anywhere around here?
=====================
And also, I have a question for those of you who know about wha'ts legal 
and isn't. Can a school prevent two girls, or guys going to formal or 
prom together as a couple? Our school plans on doing that, and that 
doesn't sound legal to me. I was planning to go with my friend Anna, 
because neither of us can find a decent guy to go with, and going as a 
couple saves us $15. Isn't that discrimination or something? I just want 
to know if I have a chance at fighting this before I go raise some bloody 
hell about the whole thing.
====================
Thank you!

Lady Becky(LIG), Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals 
Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.)
Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html
beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com




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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:52:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Becky Anne Christensen <beckyanne-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ADMIN: oops!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.961029185101.1634B-100000-+AT+-sybok.iforge.com>

On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, Kay Huang Perry wrote:

> On an list-ish sort of topic, do you all find yourselves occasionally
> spontaneously dropped from the list?  It happened to me last week and I
> just added myself back on, but I holding my breath waiting to see if
> I start getting two copies of everything.
> 
> Spencer
> 
	Yes, that will happen from time to time, just resubscribe, and 
try to catch up. There's not much you can do about it. It happened to me 
a while ago, unless it's starts happening all the time, you're fine.

Lady Becky(LIG), Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals
Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.)
Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html
beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com


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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:59:17 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Candlemark, psychology,etc.
Message-ID: <AA7372F7-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

Heyla!
A candlemark is the equivalent of an hour, according to a report in 
QO.  
Personality profile...I'm an INTJ...and I'm really amazed at the 
number of us on the list..I wonder why that is
has anyone ever thought of doing the personality profiles of Misty's 
characters?  One of my professors taught a class where we would 
analyze a literary character and determine his/her personality 
profile.  She's supposed to teach it again..I wonder if she'd let me 
use Vanyel or Talia for a subject?  (Yeah, right...I have about as 
much of a chance of that as of meeting a talking horse with blue 
eyes..)  But it would be very interesting, I think.  IMO, I think 
Vanyel would be an IN??  He seems rather introverted, and more 
inclined to trust his instincts than his senses...of course, most 
Heralds trust their instincts anyway,  because of their Gifts, so I'm 
not sure that would count.  Or maybe it would because their Gifts are 
just as much a part of them as their eyes or ears are...never mind, 
it's been a long week.
Talia would be along the same lines, I think..introverted and 
intuitive.  Or would her Empathy be classified as a sense?
I think Elspeth is definitely an extrovert, and Skif, too, and they 
both seem to be more sensing than intuitive.
Any other characters/personalities?  How about Companion 
personalities?  
And speaking of Companions and along the lines of "I want Misty to 
write this" (and this may have been mentioned before), I'd like to 
see a book/trilogy on the woman who becomes Yfandes.  I think her 
life would be absolutely fascinating..and the possiblities are 
endless with what she could be or do, etc. etc.  OK, my mind is 
running away from me so I'd better go with it.  
Take care, all.
Zhai'helleva
Jacquelle

Ex astra, scientia

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 22:36:32 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Brvaes Braiddson Hunts Out New Subject Ideas
Message-ID: <9610300341.AA06537-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

> Does anyone 
>else think that that long-dead ancestor might be Vanyel's grandfather 
>Joserlin? As I recall, Van said something about Joserlin having very 
>odd ideas about what should go where... Of course there is always the 
>possibility that the ghost in the story is some Ashkevron we don't 
>know about (and given the 600 some years between Van and Elspeth it's 
>quite possible).

Well, I think it's pretty much likely that this is Joserlin..always what 
I thought...I mean, it DOES seem like misty's hitting us on the back of 
the head with a 2.x4 with this;P

>Okie dokie, I got a copy of the *official* (woo-hoo!) 
>Myers-Briggs handbook thingy.

Doh...knew I missed SOMETHING at Borders (yeppers, Tampa just got it's 
first two Border's! I LOVE borders...great bookstores, for chains)....I 
remember resolving on the way there to find a book on Wicca and something 
about myers-briggs and stuff about writing--and all I remembered was the 
wicca book, which I actually didn't get because it was waaaay to obvious, 
and actually was a good idea not to get, since my mom decided to look 
closely at the receipt for a change--and I'm babbling

>A thought just struck me, with so many J people on the list, could that 
>be why people hate to see old conversation threads, because like closure, 
>and like to move on? Hmmmmm......This personality thing really works <g> :)
>It also says about INTJ's that they quickly find meaningful patterns in 
>external events, hmmmm, like finding every significant detail in a 
>certain author's books? (Misty) I wonder......... <g> I'm in a silly mood 
>today :) 

Blah..that has nothing to do with it...according to the web test, I'm 
INFP (and I think I agree), and *I'M* one of the big people against 
repeated threads, and the one organizing the huuuge MoC! So THERE;P

>Seriously though, I 
>have a question for those of you who have been so lucky that you have 
>gotten to read SR, and SB, do we meet a bunch of new characters, or is it 
>like a continuation of the Winds series, with Elspeth and Co., and also, 
>do we get to see more of Talia's and Selenay's kids? Or are they just in 
>the background?

Obviously, you mean SW, SR, and SB, since if you read SW you'd know whose 
in it...and you're wrong about it all;> but since it's in the dust 
jackets, the main characters are basically Firesong, An'Desha, a Karsite 
priest named Karal, and an Imperial Duke named Tremane, tho Elspeth and 
Darkwind have small parts lter on..

>I'm a little confused about the concept of handfasting.  In the Arrows
>books, they make references to the 'year and day handfasting'.  What exactly
>does that mean? Do they actually fast for a year and a day?  That's a long
>time to actually fast.

I'm not exactly sure, but from context, I think that means basically 
having them engaged for that long to make sure they like each other..

>Ah c'mon - there must be plenty of decent, honest, hard working sorts around,
>who weren't exactly Herald material, but whose contributions mattered, and I
>agree, it would have been tough when young whipper-snappers with dubious 
>back-
>grounds (eg Skiff, Naeve <sp??>) suddenly ranked you. 
>I can also see being chosen or not becoming a major deal among royal 
>siblings -
>especially if the eldest isn't chosen for some reason, and some younger 
>sib is.
>Imagine the mutterings, the assumptions, "well, I always knew he wasn't quite
>up to it, had my suspicions since he was born" etc etc etc. Unless you had 
>some
>mighty supportive parents you could end up nurturing an almighty chip on your
>shoulder, deeply resentful, miserable ........ and still be a totally decent
>person, just an unchosen one. There are hints of this with Natolie - I know
>she's a together young thing, but I recall from Storm1 that there's some 
>suggestion of resentment, or something??

I dunno...there's plenty honest, hardworking sorts around, who were'nt 
exactly herald material, but I also think that they're prolly balanced in 
such a way that being Chosen doesn't matter...and while people might be 
jealous of the "commoners" being higher ranked, that's a sign of not 
being Chosen-ability, too...royualty, I think, would take care of 
themselves..either be what was needed, or...go away, one might presume. 
And Natoli seemed pretty well balanced with the 
not-being-a-Herald-thing...she was happy being an Artificer, iirc.

>All I'd say here is "Watch it"

<shudder> I do NOT want to hear this;>

>Just a note-I think I stay on this list as much for the "fluff" as
>for the Misty content. I mean Misty really hasn't been writing at 
>the top of her form since MParadox, has she? 

No, no...her last good one was _Magic's Post-Script_...I feel it went 
downhill there on;P and, oh GId Of typso, I do too;>

>must...fight...it.  No....OS....wars.  <g>

<weg>

>Wait a minute.  I thought that scene was in Octarine Gryphon.  You
>know, right Blade and Tad hang out with Rincewind.

Or wait..was it in the Hitchhicker's Guide to Velgarth?

>Maybe I will, one you get your sorry elven butt out of Florida! <g>
>And I think S-L went bye-bye.

<sniffles> he did? :((:(:(:((:(:

>	Did I catch a Terry Pratchett refrence in earlier Email??
>Rincewind?? Hmm...Didn't know those books were avaliable here, I only saw
>them in Australia.  Maybe I need to frequent a LARGE bookstore more often. 

Wellllllll..some are. Mort isn't, for example. Nor any of the really new 
ones..latest we got was Foot (feet) of clay, and we never got INterestign 
Times..Undine ahs 'em all, though, iirc...

>Okay, 'fore I forget--and it might be a while before I get a good chance to 
>ask this--but has it ever been determined how long a candlemark is? I get 
>the guess it's around 45 minutes, but I'm not sure.

Um...I think it's an hour, or so, to make it easier..dunno, though.

>Look what Tor Books have answered to my query about Arcanum 101 and 
>Triangle Park (so there's still hope):

Thank the gods..then again, maybe they're just trying to appease us, so 
we don't bite;>

>As to the Windrider discussion (not that I'm trying to prolong it), but if
>Misty isn't going to write the books, I wish that she would at least write
>the rest of the Windrider Cycle - you know, the filk songs.

Hmm..considering they're supposed to be the premier songs ov 
valdemar..maybe she knows she can't do a good enough job on them?

>He seems rather introverted

aHEM? VANYEL? Vanyel the PEACOCK? Noo....Van's extroverted. Very. No-one 
introverted could have gotten their own little flock of brainless 
courtiers, could they? Then again, maybe the backlash changed his 
meyers-briggs letters?;P




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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:45:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Teleute <dpollock-+AT+-Bayou.UH.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: ankhs/Q/Tori/legal stuff/misc.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.961029205558.18084A-100000-+AT+-Bayou.UH.EDU>

On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA wrote:

> Teleute said:
> >>(i'm not morbid. black is a perfectly legitimate favorite color. honestly.<<
> 
> With a user name like Teleute, if you always wore white, I would seriously 
> question your understanding of Gaiman.  And Death.  Not that she wouldn't get 
> a kick out of it, well, she get's a kick out of everything, that's why she's 
> so awesome, but, well, you can see why I'm not surprised you always wear 
> black.  Do you also have a cool silver ankh?

Yep. Actually I have a whole collection going back for years and years...

> ############################################
> Lady Becky said:
> >>	How many of you saw Voyager the other night? You know, the one 
> with Q, and the Q who wanted to kill himself? Remember the part where 
> they are in the continuem (sp?) and he says noone talks because there is 
> nothing to talk about, it's all already been said? That reminded me of 

I had a weird experience watching that episode. I was watching and
listening to Tori Amos at the same time (and studying for my psych
test). Anyway, Tori was singing "Springtime of His Voodoo" and got to the
"Every road lead back to my door..." part right as one of the Q on the 
show said almost the exact same thing! (About how the road lead to all
parts of the universe and back to the Continuum.) I just know there's an
odd story in here somewhere...
BTW, does anyone else think maybe Q should try wearing a different shade
of lipstick next time he shows up? The purple stuff just didn't look good
on him.

******************************************************************************
To whoever asked about the legal issue (I think I accidently deleted the
original message):
I seem to remember extemping last year about a school who tried to prevent
same-sex couples from going to the prom together. They ended up going to
court, but I don't remember who won (I think the school lost, but I don't
have textev as I burned my extemp file in a fit of pique after a
personality conflict b/t me and my debate coach). It doesn't seem to
me that that kind of discrimination should be legal. I would definitely
raise all kinds of hell about it. Good luck!
#############################################################################
obMIsty: Um...ah...Oh, Bother. Can't think. Um, I think a candlemark=1 hr?
...ACK! Help! Help!
--Suddenly a seldom-seen faction of her personality seizes control!--

<**Alright, young lady, I think we've been on e-mail long enough. You know
perfectly well that we have a term paper to do and I do *not* 
want to be up at unGodly hours of the morning sitting here trying to type
the thing after LARPing all nite. We *will* get it done b/4 Thurs. if it
kills us!**>

Sorry, everybody. Sudden attack of conscience. Maybe if I ignore it, it
will shut up and go away.
Oh, darn.

Teleute (Reluctantly submitting to nagging little voice and going to do
something "more productive".) 
dpollock-+AT+-bayou.uh.edu
"Every road leads back to my door
 Every road I will follow..."
			 	--Tori





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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 23:30:54 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: BDay Alert!
Message-ID: <199610300440.XAA15516-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

I GOT BUMPED OFF THE LIST AGAIN!!!!!  BOY AM I MAD!!!!!  NOW I HAVE TO USE MY 
TINSPACE TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS WROTE AND PAY FOR EVERY MINUTE OF IT!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
here's what I tried to send:
Okay, seeing as October is winding to a close, here are the birthdays for 
November.  Now, I have no clue whether these people still exist or not (I *am* 
still a newbie, as incredible as that idea may seem), so if they don't, 
quickly mail me privately, I'll take their name off my list and tell the list 
at large.  That way, we don't have 7 posts saying "so-and-so left the list"
Hey, just because I'm a High Priestess of Procrastination doesn't mean I can't 
be practical -- this doesn't concern work!  If I have these peoples' private 
e-mails, I'll only show it if they don't mind, so you guys better tell me (no 
one has yet).  If you guys gave me years, I'll post it.
Here goes!

November
3	Summersong
11	Virelle
11	Megan
12	Anderson
12	CatWoman
14	Carrach
28	Khenta
29	Elizabeth
29	Lady Nightshadow

Obviously, no one told me anything.  Ah, well.  I will give a 2-day warning 
for all of these birthdays, (this *is* virtually instantaneous communication), 
so think up those "gifts".

Oh, and Matlock?  Don't think you're getting off the hook that easily.

Does anyone wanna come and do the "Matterena" with me? <heh-heh-heh>

love,
deniz sarikaya, taking the  |...that which we are, we are,--
time to admire the colors on|One equal temper of heroic hearts,
what trees there are in     |Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
downtown Montreal rather    |To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
than doing homework! dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    -- Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson


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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 00:00:35 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: gods/goddesses-+AT+-fluffy.net/legal rights
Message-ID: <199610300511.AAA21039-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

becky said:
>>        Oh great and honorable God and Goddess of Procarstination, I 
herby petition thee worthy souls to allow me to be thine Handmaiden of 
Procrastination.<<

Hoooollllyyy Matcakes!  You have a female double?????  How come your High 
Priestess doesn't know this?  A Handmaiden?  OOoooo, I'm getting jealous.  I'm 
so steamed I won't be able to work for another hour. (oooh, good song.  I have 
to dance... <a few steps later>..., "Hey, Matterena!") <mwah-hah-hah>  Now I 
feel a little better.  Nothing like some good dancing to calm me down.  A 
little.

>>        What sayst thou? Shall I be thoust Handmaiden? To worship at your 
feet, bring thee yummy chocolate sheep, and wait on thine every desire, 
no matter how long it takes to get sround to it? <<

Hhhmmmm, just what kind of a role are you expecting to play as a Handmaiden?  
By the way, <ducking> why does everyone keep talking about sheep? <covering 
all openings and running like h*ll>

>>(I know half the words aren't correct, but I made them up, and if 
Shakespeare can do it, then by golly so can I!) :)<<

Cennydd, sic her.

Becky, one last thing.  FIGHT THE SYSTEM!  I know I'm preaching to the 
converted, so I won't go on about how narrow-minded, pig-brained, etc. (and 
I'm being *extremely* mild) your school is being.  I went to a private school, 
and one of my best-friends went with another woman.  Then again, we didn't 
have to declare who we were going with to get tickets, and it wasn't cheaper 
for couples, and it was a private school....  but still, Fight it! Fight it! 
Fight it!

Obmisty:  Yeah, I always thought a candlemark was an hour, too.  If it isn't, 
it's something that on their world with its particular revolution/rotation, is 
used in an equivalent manner to our hour. <pun intended>
So it's a lame ObMisty.  What'll 'ya do about it?  On second thought, want a 
sheep?  Mint flavored, even.

love,
deniz sarikaya, taking the  |...that which we are, we are,--
time to admire the colors on|One equal temper of heroic hearts,
what trees there are in     |Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
downtown Montreal rather    |To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
than doing homework! dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    -- Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:53:36 EST
From: erikaplajer-+AT+-juno.com (Erika Plajer)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reply to: frogs
Message-ID: <19961029.215355.8279.3.ErikaPlajer-+AT+-juno.com>


On Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:38:35 GMT Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com> writes:
>In reply: no I don't think it's fair to the cats to live in the pound 
>for the rest of
>their lives. No i don't think it's fair that <stray>cats are put to 
>sleep if they don't
>go to a home in X days. and no i don't have any idea how to resolve 
>these 
>issues, but if i ever make a bundle i'll set up a cat sanctuary in my 

  Sorry for the non-on-topic post, but there IS a way to resolve it
somewhat:

          SPAY OR NEUTER THE FRIGGING ANIMAL!!!!

  If there is no particular reason for the animal to have litter after
litter, have it altered! The less dogs and cats that are born of
'accidents' er whatever, the more of a chance that the current population
can have good homes. And no, I don't care to hear macho stuff on how it
is cruel--it is much more cruel that healthy animals are killed daily
because there aren't enough homes for them. The animal doesn't care it's
lost it's reproductive organs. So why should the humans?

 Um... maybe this could still be on topic... has anything ever been said
or written on the two foals Yfandes had? And since it is generally known
that Companions are reincarnated Heralds, why was one of the foal's names
Dancer?  (okay, stupid, but it has to be something...)


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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:21:24 -0500 (EST)
From: dt622-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott A. Coniam)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: ValdemarMUSH ???
Message-ID: <199610301221.HAA05542-+AT+-kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu>

 
Hello All!
   Is anyone out there interested in opening a Heralds of Valdemar MUSH? 
If so please respond to me and I'll get in touch with you guys over
details.  FYI a MUSH is an on-line RolePlaying Game for those that didn't
know.  I personally think that it'd be pretty neat.
						Scott Coniam

--
   "It's hard to understand me from the language I use. 
	 There's no word in English for my style.
    What's a man like me supposed to do, with all this extra savoir-faire?"
					-They Might Be Giants

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:50:07 +0000
From: ramsdend-+AT+-uk.psi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ValdemarMUSH ???
Message-ID: <199610301254.MAA27675-+AT+-staff.uk.psi.com>

I wouldn't try if I was you.  Misty has mad it perfectly clear that 
this is not to be done.  Try reading the list FAQ for her resons,etc

> Hello All!
>    Is anyone out there interested in opening a Heralds of Valdemar MUSH? 
> If so please respond to me and I'll get in touch with you guys over
> details.  FYI a MUSH is an on-line RolePlaying Game for those that didn't
> know.  I personally think that it'd be pretty neat.
> 						Scott Coniam
> 
> --
>    "It's hard to understand me from the language I use. 
> 	 There's no word in English for my style.
>     What's a man like me supposed to do, with all this extra savoir-faire?"
> 					-They Might Be Giants
> 


David Ramsden

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 14:20:30 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <9610301320.AA16126-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

hola,

apropos the recent talk about what constitutes a candlemark - well, it's
as  long a a piece of string, innit? You get a candle, you draw some lines 
on it, and say "If I'm not back by the second candle mark, panic/rejoice/
pray etc etc etc." Now maybe Valdemar has factories making candles by the
ton, all marked with carefully calculated marks, or they're made locally,
and candlemarks vary across the country. Mind you - do we ever hear talk
of watches, clocks, timepieces?  Don't exactly recall anything.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Scott Coniam, I'm sure I won't be the first to pick you up on this, and
I'll no way be the last, but,

>    Is anyone out there interested in opening a Heralds of Valdemar MUSH? 
> If so please respond to me and I'll get in touch with you guys over
> details.  FYI a MUSH is an on-line RolePlaying Game for those that didn't
> know.  I personally think that it'd be pretty neat.

Don't. Go read http://ftp.herald.co.uk/pub/lists/lackey-archives/abml-faq.1,
point 5 - it explains it all. I believe you can find yourself contacted by
her legal-eagles if you go ahead.

that's all, can't squeeze an obmisty out of my brain - oh the last Storm
book has crawled into the Netherlands - saw it on Saturday. I shall, with
my usual parsimonious restraint, wait for the standard size paperback to
appear. 

ciao ciao,
Esmeralda

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:20:41 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bday alert/Valdemar MUSH/Procrastination
Message-ID: <9610301322.AA02727-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

On the subject of birthdays, mine is November 9th (and it just 
occured to me what a horriblely funny date that is). If I had known 
there was a Bday list I would've sent my name in.

Scott A. Coniam asked
>   Is anyone out there interested in opening a Heralds of Valdemar 
>MUSH? 

IIRC, it is in the FAQ that Misty has specifically forbidden any MU** 
type thingie. I also remember (from archives reading) that the 
MageWars list was moved to a separate server partially so if Misty's 
lawyers ever found out about it our wonderful listmistress wouldn't 
get in trouble. Also from what I can tell, the MageWars list is kind 
of like a MU** thingie, but Lady Becky and Jaguar and Sundancer 
probably can explain it better than I can.

I just checked Lady Becky's sig and found this:
Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html
I've been there and it has a bunch of stuff about the Magewars list.

Lady Becky said (as evidence for Handmaiden status)
>-I have *never* done a report sooner than 2 days before it is due. 
>-I finished twenty vocabulary cards at lunch today to be handed in at 
> the next class
If that is evidence for handmaiden status I dunno what I'd be. I 
always prefered to do Latin translations and vocabulary homework at 
lunch, the period before Latin class. And as for reports, how about 
not starting until the day before it is due (unilaterally!)? And I 
NEVER study for tests. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER! It wrecks your grade, I 
know cause I used to study for tests and I always flunked. If I don't 
study, I pass. (Yes I know I am strange.)

Emily the invisible
Bye,
Emily Cartier

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 09:04:08 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ValdemarMUSH ???/BDay Update
Message-ID: <199610301414.JAA28424-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

David Ramsden typed:
>>[Scott Coniam suggested:]
>    Is anyone out there interested in opening a Heralds of Valdemar MUSH? 
> If so please respond to me and I'll get in touch with you guys over
> details.  FYI a MUSH is an on-line RolePlaying Game for those that didn't
> know.  I personally think that it'd be pretty neat.
I wouldn't try if I was you.  Misty has mad it perfectly clear that 
this is not to be done.  Try reading the list FAQ for her resons,etc<<

Good advice.  I heard about how Misty put her foot down when I was at a 
totally different spot on the net, as well.  People are using it as an example 
of what happens if you infringe copyrights.  However, if you have her 
blessings, play on. (I'm not in a theater, so there)

Actually, I have a friend who got a "beta tester" of an official Valdemar RPG 
set.  She hasn't answered her e-mail yet, though, so I don't know whether she 
has it near her or not, and whether she's still legally allowed to use it.

P.S.: updates to the November list are:
6	Ke'leecha
30	twins	Ails n'ha Winifreda
	  and	Erica Whitehead

Oh, Maaaaaaaatt.  No, you're not escaping this post unscathed.  I've gotta 
sing: "Mat, Mat, bo bat, banana fana fo fat, fee fi mo mat, Maaat."
<a la Jim Carey> Somebody stop me!!!
Don't forget, you might have blamed firemist for all this, but you never 
complained to *me*, so I'm assuming you secretly enjoy it, Matterella.

love,
deniz sarikaya, taking the  |...that which we are, we are,--
time to admire the colors on|One equal temper of heroic hearts,
what trees there are in     |Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
downtown Montreal rather    |To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
than doing homework! dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    -- Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson

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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:30:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: fluff/gods
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961030001028.29291D-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Wintershard wrote:

> (Cen, did I do ok on the thee's and thou's? Should I ready my joining the
> Drifting Ashes Club <g>?)

Um, ok, well I owe this discussion to several people (sorry but I have
been busy and sick--never my best combination *grin*).  Sorry,
Wintershard, but you didn't get it right.  However, don't rush off to make
an ash of yourself quite yet. =)  For all of you who may be writing books
where you will want to use the thou/thee pattern and for all my fellow
deities, here is how it works:

"thou" is the English 2nd person singular (informal) pronoun.  It is the
equivalent of the French and Spanish (and Italian) "tu" and the German
"du."  Most of the Indo-european languages preserve this distinction of
singular vs. plural 2nd person pronouns.  Most of these languages,
however, also conflate the singular/plural marking with the
informal/formal meaning.  In English, the way it works is that in informal
speech, the 2nd person is divided into singular "thou" and plural "you."
In formal speech, only the plural "you" is used, for both singular and
plural (If you speak French, you should be familiar with this pattern).
This is the problem with Wintershard's post:

>   Hmm, I'll have to think about it. - Okay I'm done. I Name thee as
> Priestess of Subtleness, Discreetness, and Crappy Weather. May you always
> be not noticed by thine enemies, but laugh directly in their faces. Also,
> you must always curse good weather as it comes.

Notice that sometimes a form of "thou" is used, while at other times a
forma of "you" is used.  This is not permitted in Indo-european languages.
You have to pick one formality level and stick with it.

On the other hand, the other facet of all this is case, and that is nearly 
perfect in Wintershard's post.  The pronoun "thou," like all English
pronouns, can/must be marked to show its case: "thou" for nominative case,
"thee" for accusative, "thy" and "thine" for genitive (with an overt and
covert object, respectively).  The only quibble with the above cited post,
is the use of "thine" with an overt object in "thine enemies."  And to be
honest, there is quite a bit of variation, with some dialects of English
accepting "thine" as the genitive form in any context.  

Anyway, here is the general pronominal paradigm for English:

	singular	plural
	I		we	1st person
	thou		you	2nd person
	he/she/it	they	3rd person

case declension is shown as follows:
	Nom	Acc	Gen
	I	me	my/mine
	thou	thee	thy/thine
	he	him	his
	she	her	her/hers
	it	it	its
	we	us	our/ours
 	you	you	your/yours
	they	them	their/theirs

My apologies to anyone who feels that this is too fluffy.  

ObMisty:  Is there any evidence that there is case or formality morphology
in any of Misty's languages, such as Kaled'a'in, Shin'a'in, or Tayledras?
I can't think of any.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Mage of the Green Silences.

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:38:17 GMT
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: ADMIN: dropped from list?
Message-ID: <199610301538.PAA14619-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

If you find that you've been dropped from the list, rest assured that it isn't
"spontaneous". There are a bunch of conditions which will cause Listproc to
remove you automatically from the list (the quickest way is to have your
mail host respond to any mention of your name with 'No such user'). 

Note also that if you try to send mail to the list from an address which is
not the one from which you originally subscribed, you'll get a message telling
you you're not subscribed -- which is accurate, if you're not subscribed from
that address...

If you're worried about rejoining and getting multiple copies of mail, the
best thing to do is write to me off-list first to see whether you've actually
been dropped, or whether it's just an address change problem.

Mel


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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:39:50 -0500
From: Shelley Kennon <kennon-+AT+-inetnow.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ADMIN: dropped from list?
Message-ID: <327776C6.1532-+AT+-inetnow.net>

I just joined and got this message. Have I already been dropped from the
list when I just signed up 30 minutes ago?

Melanie Dymond Harper wrote:
> 
> If you find that you've been dropped from the list, rest assured that it isn't
> "spontaneous". There are a bunch of conditions which will cause Listproc to
> remove you automatically from the list (the quickest way is to have your
> mail host respond to any mention of your name with 'No such user').
> 
> Note also that if you try to send mail to the list from an address which is
> not the one from which you originally subscribed, you'll get a message telling
> you you're not subscribed -- which is accurate, if you're not subscribed from
> that address...
> 
> If you're worried about rejoining and getting multiple copies of mail, the
> best thing to do is write to me off-list first to see whether you've actually
> been dropped, or whether it's just an address change problem.
> 
> Mel

-- 
Shelley Kennon
Webmaster, Alpha Data Inc.
kennon-+AT+-inetnow.net
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