MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 913

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Hiya!
	by tla-+AT+-teleport.com (Lady)
  2) Re: New Misty Stuff!!!!!
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
  3) Brvaes Falls Into Heap After Excercise In Tantras Style
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  4) storm breaking spoiler
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
  5) Horses' vision - Companion readjustment
	by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
  6) Fluffy Char./Samhain/Extremely Fluffy Sheep/Life bond-Love bond
	by Jaiook Park <jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
  7) Fluffish/Sheep
	by Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
  8) Witches fluff/
	by Jaiook Park <jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
  9) Another newbie to torment :)
	by DAVID SANDEMAN <dsandema-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
 10) Re: New Misty Stuff!!!!!
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
 11) Fluff- Thee and Thou
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
 12) Ladies of the Pink Wand off-list email discussion group
	by LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
 13) Culling/Making an Ash of yourself/*SPOILER* Storm Breaking
	by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
 14) Re: lifebound-lovebond/storm breaking spoiler
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
 15) Samhain/Bdays/Van's type
	by Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
 16) Re: New Misty Stuff!!!!!
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
 17) psych and presents    
	by Nina M Ehgartner <nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>
 18) Re: Braid: Birthdays/Thou../handfasting/books/candlemarks
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
 19) BDAYS/deer
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 20) Re: lifebound-lovebond/storm breaking spoiler
	by Alice Pinard <apinar31-+AT+-violet.umfacad.maine.edu>
 21) Re:those damn circles :-)
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:15:00 -0800 (PST)
From: tla-+AT+-teleport.com (Lady)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hiya!
Message-ID: <v01510100ae9e71cd7e66-+AT+-[206.163.123.242]>

Hullo all..suppose I should intro myself! I'm the Lady of Shalott aka.
Alexandra Tint in rl...um Misty is my fav author..read almost everything of
hers except the last 2 Mage Storms. Besides that I'm also an ElfQuest and
Gargoyles freak!! I have seen some really great topic on this list!!..no
godhood aspirations at the moment *grin* Thanks!!

     |--------------------------------------------------------|
     |    Lee Tint     Internet address: tla-+AT+-teleport.com     |
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Date:          Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:22:53 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff!!!!!
Message-ID: <3CB4250E5-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

Wait a minute...you mean we can acutally buy herald's dress?  Cool.  
Expensive, I'm sure, but cool.
thanks for posting that...i was just going to ask when the LHM 
concordance was coming out, if at all.
Jacquelle

Oh, very clever, Worf.  Eat any good books lately?
--Q

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 18:20:31 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Brvaes Falls Into Heap After Excercise In Tantras Style
Message-ID: <9610312325.AB20220-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

HAPPY SOVVEN!!!!!(there's for all you people talking about Real Life 
Religions;P a misty one, so I could even have nothing else non-fluff and 
not get Ken after my head--erm..ashes...not that I WILL, mind you. But I 
could;>)

>Well, Kory, you seem pretty sure that Van's an extrovert.  Happily, I'm
>even *more* sure that he's introverted, so my confidence in my own
>infallibility is shaken but not stirred. <snip>

/me whimpers in corner...when will I *ever* learn to not disaagree with 
Heather?;> Ok..I change my thoughts...and I STILL don't have the 
psychology training to actually argue on this point!;> Ok...here's what I 
think, now: In the beginning of Mpawn, Van was externally extroverted but 
was really introverted, and the backlash and lendel-death reversed that, 
making him externally introverted and internally extroverted! Does that 
make sense to anyone else?;>

> Presumably it's an
>archaic mode of speech in Valdemaran, like in English, and survives in
>the more isolated, less up-to-the-minute regions like Haven and Kansas
>City.

ahem...Haven's the capital, and anything but rural or isolated...excpet 
when compared to other countries, I suppose Valdemar might be a bit 
outdated in someway, if more modern in philosophy...and Dirk wasn't from 
Haven in any case...

>Heather's twenty-first birthday is UPCOMING, in a far-from-now kind of
>way.  December -- yes, I'll wait while you get your red pen and circle
>it on your calendar, but hurry -- December 16.

hey! a day and...<punches buttons on watch> 10 years before me! no...that 
must be wrong..hmm..ah. 7 years. Can you tell which subject I'm bad at?;> 
<ooo...another good tmbg song...NYC...>

>   You didn't.  But that's okay.  Because I care about you a little, but
>not much.  <I'm joking.  I care.  Really.>

 _I_ liked the story..not that it really MATTERS...

>Are they talking about the Firebird catalog or a book called Firebird? If
>its a book, do we know what its about?

a book. It's about the russian folktale..she also has 3 fairy tale ones 
coming out, and either including or plus one about a swan or something..

>He didn't give some of them any way to reproduce by 
>themselves, the makaar(?) for instance. But others of his creations are 
>still around; Wrysa and colddrakes.

Wrysa and colddrakes were made by Ma'ar? I truly can't remember..gods..I 
jsut realized that I only read BG ONCE..when it came out in HC!

>Does anyone know of superstitions in Velgarth, such as
>bad luck for breaking mirrors and such?

Well, Holderkin have that superstition about Midsummer's Eve...

>You're right, in Japanese culture, white is the color for the dead.

And according to my french teacher, black only became the color of 
mourning in the western world (usurping white) a little whiles ago..

>   And while you're at it, you might try being thankful that your mate
>will, in all likelihood, not throw himself off a tall building tonight.
>'Cause then you'd wallow, and we don't allow any of that around here.

heehee

>ObMisty: Why don't her characters ever complain about learning 
>grammar in their many foreign language classes? Everyone seems to 
>just magically know about six languages and not have much trouble 
>picking them up (except Karal and An'desha).

You're right...and even those two picked up languages fast..it isn't 
FAIR! they should have to WORK! do homework! study! well.I don't 
study...ah! do language labs! hah! make 'em do THAT and see how much 
karal likes valdemaran...bwahahahah



>ObMisty: We know that the gryphons made it through the storms after the
>Wars, but what about those creatures that Ma'ar created? They were just as
>magical as gryphons, IIRC.

I dunno..I really don't..I still say that thing that killed Savil was 
Ma'ars faint memories of makaar peaking through...and for awhile:

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I thought that the gryphons in SB were..but they turned out not to be:( 
Which breaks my old theory that griffons were the makaar, and gryphons 
were gryphons..sigh..




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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:36:50 -0500
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: storm breaking spoiler
Message-ID: <199610311837_MC1-B8A-50F7-+AT+-compuserve.com>

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<TM>

I always wondered if Misty was going to take the easy way out and have the
magic 'condense' (like condensation) back into ley-lines and eventually nodes.
kinda like a covered bowl full of water suddenly the water is zapped and
evaporates into mist. Eventually (quite quickly, tho) condenses on the sides
in rivulets, and rivulets run into pool. voila - bowl of water again.

Firemist

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:45:41 -0600
From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Horses' vision - Companion readjustment
Message-ID: <v01510100ae9e9c1d79db-+AT+-[207.43.170.88]>


Barra-

Horses eyes are set on the sides of their heads, giving them incredible
peripheral vision.  The can see to the sides, and behind them with no
difficulty.  Horses are "prey" animals, and the set of their eyes allows
them to see behind them while they are grazing without raising their heads.
Their only blind spots are directly behind them (why you don't ever want
to walk up behind a horse with no warning that you are there) around the
directly in front of it (why a horse shys away if you lift a hand to rub
it's head without warning, unless it knows you very well and trusts you
very much) and directly under its muzzle (they know the food is there
because they smell it, not because they see it. )  They can see all around
them and at great distances; their hearing is even better, and relied upon
as a primary sense.  Horses adapt extremely well to being blind in one or
both eyes, particularly if they have a trusting relationship with their
human caretaker, and many horses blind in only one eye are still rideable
and safe.


                        Go Gently,

                                Tresta


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Tresta shena Jor'ethan                          "Love must live free."
Healer to horses                                        -Shin'a'in Teaching

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"To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us."

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:56:13 +1000
From: Jaiook Park <jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Fluffy Char./Samhain/Extremely Fluffy Sheep/Life bond-Love bond
Message-ID: <199610312356.JAA12286-+AT+-gateway.mgs.schnet.edu.au>

>Amberdrake is one of my favorites, but I still think Vanyel holds top spot
>for me. 

Come on!  Everyone always selects mages as the best, but you gotta admit,
Keorwyn is a bit of a tank, she kicks a*se!!!!
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>A Blessed Samhain to everyone on the list.

And A blessed Samhain to you to.  May the godess look kindly upon you this
new year!!
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>Sheep thing?  What sheep thing? <glancing around innocently>  Has anyone else 
>noticed a sheep thing?
>Guess you're outta luck.

Seems to me you guys are playing us newbies like a piano accordiam <g> Throw
us a line here!!!!!!!  BTW my best friend looks a bit like a sheep, his
names David S.
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>A question just occurred to me the other night.  What would happen to
>someone who was lovebonded who then lifebonded to someone else? 

It'd be kinda awkward wouldn't it? But from what I read, if you're Life
bonded, don't you fall in love?? But Maybe you could work it out with lots a
planning on how you'd get around.
Jaiook
	"You mean I put down my sword, you put down your rock
	 and we try and kill each other like civilised people?"
		Wesly, Princess Bride.
Jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au                         


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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:00:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Fluffish/Sheep
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961031185009.17509C-100000-+AT+-minerva.cis.yale.edu>

YKYBRTMMW....
When you wake up and rush to your computer because you think you've just
discovered the real true refrence to the exact time of a candlemark, and
then laugh at yourself hysterically when you realize ~you dreampt it~!!!!

And speaking of sheep ('cuz aren't we ~always~! <g>) I just discovered
that I know a really cool SHEEP song!  So if any of yous want it, email me
personally! (nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu)  I don't want to offend our more
sensitive readers.... :)

ObMisty: Are all the critters that Ma'ar created inherently bad?  Are all
of Urthro's inherently good?  I mean, has anyone ever talked to a
cold drake, or had a friendship with a wyrsa?  And are there bad gryphons
and kyree?  And who invented liquid soap, and why?

That's about all. Now I must go frolic with my fellow were-wolves!
Love and skittles, Ke'leecha (Aspiring goddess of Diet Coke, gryphons, and
those who hate calculus)

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.  Inside of a dog, it's too
dark to read."--Groucho Marx



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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:15:16 +1000
From: Jaiook Park <jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Witches fluff/
Message-ID: <199611010215.MAA14038-+AT+-gateway.mgs.schnet.edu.au>

Not that importan, extremely fluffy, trash at will.

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I was wondering how many people on this ML is a witch? I mean I know
wiccanism isn't the biggest religion in the world but I'm interested 'cause
I'm one.  Oh, and does anyone know if Misty is a witch?, 'cause it seems
like it.

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Jaiook
	"You mean I put down my sword, you put down your rock
	 and we try and kill each other like civilised people?"
		Wesly, Princess Bride.
Jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au                         


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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:28:18 +1000
From: DAVID SANDEMAN <dsandema-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Another newbie to torment :)
Message-ID: <199611010228.MAA14440-+AT+-gateway.mgs.schnet.edu.au>

Hi - just wanted to give you the chance to feel even more happy about the
sheep thing. I was considering just lurking for a while, but was brought out
on a slander on my name (thanks Jaiook), to tell the truth I don't look like
a sheep -  more like a frog.
        Anyway, back to me - birthday is 17 of January, and my persona is
Soul-Seek
(earnt it when I went through my religous stage).

ObMisty:  Has anyone ever considered the Grove Born companion (sorry if I'm
dragging up old material). I think that they would most likely be Monarch's
Own, or maybe the Monarch. For that matter what about the originial
companions - just spirits, future heralds, or what?

David Sandeman		
			"There's an old cat saying: Its better to live one hour as a tiger than a
whole liftime as a worm."  The Cat, Red Dwarf
				


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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:18:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961031221652.26237A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, JAIME HATHAWAY wrote:

> Wait a minute...you mean we can acutally buy herald's dress?  Cool.  
> Expensive, I'm sure, but cool.

Well, it's just tunics.  Not a full set of Whites. :)  One is
a formal tunic, one is informal (though the pictures of them are the 
same).

Ummmm, its a one liner (in spirit), but it's on-topic!

Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,   |"Three things are no secret,
Adept, and God of Procrastination| files that somehow hit the 'Net,
Heathen #???                     | your boss's secretary, and
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu       | the third thing....I forget."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/|        -- "Threes rev 1.1"


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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:39:54 -0500
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Fluff- Thee and Thou
Message-ID: <961031233953_1713409510-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com>

Friendly warning- major fluff and much silliness ahead:

on Thu, 31 Oct 1 Glithoniel wrote:
>>On Oct 30, Cennydd wrote a long complicated explianation of the archaic
formal you in the English language.  Then he said:

>>My apologies to anyone who feels that this is too fluffy.<<

>>Fluffy?  Fluffy.  Fluffy!!!   Not by any stretch.  I bet poor dear Lilac
Fairy is in desperate need of the old smelling salts!!!<<<

Thanks you for your kind thoughts, but the Lilac Fairy has recovered now. She
WAS quite overwhelmed, but after being fanned by Peaseblossom and Moth, and
once Mustardseed had found the smelling salts, she revived fairly quickly.


on Oct. 29, Cennydd wrote: -

>>I am doped on cold medicine right now, and not thinking too clearly.<<

Oh poor adored one, lying on your bed of pain, you still kept your promise
and wrote those exquisite lines: 

>>Most of the Indo-european languages preserve this distinction of
singular vs. plural 2nd person pronouns.  Most of these languages,
however, also conflate the singular/plural marking with the
informal/formal meaning.<<

Ohhhh, the Lilac Fairy is feeling giddy all over again! She'd better go take
a dip in the (cold) scrying pool!

A joyous Samhain to all!


The Lilac Fairy
Lady of the Pink Wand

Lee Cox
San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum (SF PALM)





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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:40:02 -0500
From: LilacFairy-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Ladies of the Pink Wand off-list email discussion group
Message-ID: <961031234002_1181156454-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com>

Since traffic on the Misty List is picking up now that Storm Breaking is out,
the Lilac Fairy thinks this is a good time to move The Ladies of the Pink
Wand off-list, so that we may be merry and fluffy without hindrance. Any
Misty Listsib is welcome to come play in The Bower- you don't have to be a
straight female to join us! 

The Lilac Fairy will be your hostess and Fairy Godmother. The charming Undine
is our resident Bibliomancer- she will foretell the future through arcane
rituals and tell us when new books by our favorite authors will materialize!
Heather the Wandsworn is our Champion, guarding us from evil-doers and
smiting offenders against etiquette.

What shall we talk about?
*The usual LotPW stuff
*Our Objects of Unrequited Love/Lust (OoUL/L)
*Reading and writing fantasy fiction, dark fantasy/horror
*Fairy tales, folk lore and mythology.
*Fantasy in other media- film, TV, music, art
*Ourselves & our current interests 
*Silliness and Monty Python quotes encouraged. 

This will NOT be an automated mailing list. Messages will be sent to the
Lilac Fairy, who will forward each message to the distribution list. She will
most likely send out messages once a day, in the evening (PST). 

Those who are already Ladies, Champions & OoUL/L: the Lilac Fairy is NOT
assuming you want to be part of the email discussion group, so email her if
you do want to join. 

If you want to play with us, email:  lilacfairy-+AT+-aol.com 
Please tell the Lilac Fairy your name, your list name/persona (if you have
one) and your email address. 

The Lilac Fairy
Lady of the Pink Wand

Lee Cox
San Francisco Performing Arts Librry & Museum (SF PALM) 

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:23:20 -0500
From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Culling/Making an Ash of yourself/*SPOILER* Storm Breaking
Message-ID: <961101012319_1449411604-+AT+-emout20.mail.aol.com>

On Oct 30, Wintershard wrote:

>>Wholeheartedly agreed. Here in Rochester, we've got a deer problem, and
instead of humanely handling the problem, they've resorted to 'bait and
shoot' tactics. <shudder> They've done it for a few years now, and guess
what? It dona worka.<<

Several other folks talked about this problem and explained quite well why
bait and shoot programs are used.  Better to die quick than starve slow.  I
guess growing up on a farm, I've always seen animals as food on foot.  My
family hunts--not for mere pleasure but to use the meat.  In fact, I can
think of at least five people off hand who have husbands/sons who hunt and
they share the meat around.  It goes to more use than a head on a wall.  I
don't condone hunting just for the heck of it.  But taking an animal for
useful consumption puts you in the same category as any other natural
predator.  Removing the predators is what casued the problem.
For those of you who object to "shooting Bambi", take a look at the history
of the North Rim, Grand Canyon National Park.  Tourists thought(this was
early 20th century, I think--once again the book is packed away) that it was
so horrible that those nasty mountain lions were killing the precious and
beautiful mule deer.  So, the  Park Service issued a reward system for
mountain lion carcasses.  Most of the predators were killed off within a few
years.  The mule deer population took a drastic increase.  So the Park
service fed them(all this at the tax-payers expense).  The deer continued to
overpopulate and literally stripped the greenery from the North Rim.  Natural
resources ran out and the Park Service couldn't provide enough food.  So all
those soft eyed deer ended up starving to death--a long slow death.  Cats of
any type kill quickly.  They cull the weak, the old, and the injured.  Nature
balances itself.   

People can get all touchy over subjects that could be so easily solved.  Like
the idiot fight over cutting the California Redwoods.  The activists don't
want the trees cut.  The loggers don't want to be out of work.  We need the
wood.  Well, you can grow trees just like you grow corn, cotton and wheat.
 It takes a little longer(for pines 10-15 years depending on the size you
want); but it is a renewable resource.  What isn't quickly renewable are old
growth forests that drive the weather systems in a region and take HUNDREDS
of years to develope.  People can be so obtuse.  Many of the farmers here use
pine as a back up crop to cover bad harvest years.    

Oops.  Sorry, I'm didn't mean to lecture.  Ecology just takes a little wisdom
and a little perspective.  I get tired of idiot squabbles like children with
blocks.  I'll drop it now.
*******

Deniz wrote in her newbie info:  

>>BTW,in case you are wondering how to join the Drifting Ashes, just post a
response with 2 or more pages of quotation and less than one screen of
response commentary.<<

Or you can be overly analytical.  Thats how I got chosen for the dubious
honor.  Fortunately the Weasel/Meece/Kitty resurrected me.<G> 

*******
  Whoever is doing the birthday list--mine is May 12, 1967.  Next year I
celebrate the first anniversary of my 29th birthday<G>.

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(hope thats enough)

Ok, Dyana asked:

>>Another Been-Wondering-About question. If Lake Evendim was supposed to 
be Ma'ar's Stronghold, then shouldn't the magic waves have converged 
there too. If they did, where was the kaboom. I thought I remembered a 
character saying somewhere that the circles of misshapen land and 
animals occured where two sets of waves touched. This could only happen 
if the waves had emenated from two different areas.<<

IIRC, the action at the remains of Urtho's Tower would negate both sets of
waves.  The group at the Tower were attempting to use a backlash affect to
negate the waves.   Sorta like setting a controlled fire to stop a wild fire.

*******
Sean wondered:

>>Did anyone else get the impression that the changes to magic after the
final
storm were a temporary thing? <<

I thought that the effect of the storms would either change magic(like it did
after the orginal cataclysm) either into a new pattern or back into the
orginal.  I know at the end of the book they mentioned that leylines and
nodes had disappeared.  I gathered that they weren't certain whether the
change would be permanent or not.  I suspect it might be permanent though why
Misty would want to recreate her system of magic is beyond me.

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Glithoniel
Goddess of Tardiness
Mistress of Willowhawk (in Exile)

"Truth exists.  Only lies are invented."  --Georges Braque


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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:37:11 -0800
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: lifebound-lovebond/storm breaking spoiler
Message-ID: <199611010737.XAA04059-+AT+-latimes.com>

At 05:29 PM 10/31/96 GMT, Sean wrote:
>A question just occurred to me the other night.  What would happen to
>someone who was lovebonded who then lifebonded to someone else?  I find it
>hard to believe that the previous love would just disappear!  Any thoughts?
>
I figure they would form one of those "rare trios" that Misty mentions in
connection with Keren/Ylsa/Sherrill.

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>Did anyone else get the impression that the changes to magic after the final
>storm were a temporary thing? 

<snip>
>
>Does this make sense to anyone?

That is rather the impression I got.  Otherwise why have all those Heralds
with Mage Gift popping up and training and all.  Misty said gifts only
appear when they were needed.  If magic was going away for good, no need for
Valdemar to be up to its proverbial ears in Herald-Mages!
>
>Sean
>P.s. For whoever is keeping the birthday list...mine is July 14

Mine's 2/3/62.

Danya


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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:14:42 +0800 (SST)
From: Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Samhain/Bdays/Van's type
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961101201338.1327f92c-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>

Heyla, everyone!

First: Happy and Blessed Samhain to everyone on the list. Have a good one.

I didn't know 'bout it 'til Jake, I think, speculated about what Sovven was
in Valdemar, will you believe that? <G> Didn't even know it was Halloween
'til I heard it on the radio in school yesterday. And yes, the radio's
illegal, but it wasn't mine! <G> Well, by now, I've picked up lots and lots
'bout it! Anyway, I'm rambling.  Once again: 
Happy All Hallows/Sovven/Halloween/Whatever you like to call it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, to all the November birthday people:

I can't remember who you all are, for some reason there are lots of you, so
here's my present:

A *large* birthday cake, in whatever flavour you choose (yes, different
slices can have different flavours), large enough to go round everyone on
the list. <G> And here's a virtual grab-bag, where you can pull out a
present, and may it be what you've always wished for!

Ok, November BDays duly celebrated. <G>
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ObMisty Alert! Now that everyone has been duly informed:

Kory muttered:
>/me whimpers in corner...when will I *ever* learn to not disaagree with 
>Heather?;> Ok..I change my thoughts...and I STILL don't have the 
>psychology training to actually argue on this point!;> Ok...here's what I 
>think, now: In the beginning of Mpawn, Van was externally extroverted but 
>was really introverted, and the backlash and lendel-death reversed that, 
>making him externally introverted and internally extroverted! Does that 
>make sense to anyone else?;>

Hmm....Nope, not the last bit, anyway. I always saw Van as introverted, only
yeah, he was forced by circumstances (hey, my Lit teacher hates that
phrase!) to become more extroverted. <G> I suppose by 'the beginning of
MPawn' you're refering to his little 'following' of girls? I kinda saw it as
him being lonely and lost at Haven, and thinking that's the only way he's
going to get some attention. Hmm, time to reread LHM, I think! I don't
*think* he actually became extroverted at any time. Heather? Do *you* think
so? (Asking advice from the expert! <G>) 



 
  Zhai'helleva!

  Lady Windsong        &  Wind swaying willows,
  Lyrra and Kelei      &  Bowing, bending gracefully
  The Lady of Peace    &  Ladies of the woods.
  ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg &         -- Clarissa Nah
  http://members.tripod.com./~Windsong/lyrra.html


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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:16:27 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: New Misty Stuff!!!!!
Message-ID: <9611011318.AA23562-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

Oh joy, now I know what kind of books I'm waiting for! Thank you Mat.
Some of these sound interesting (especially _Tempus_Fugit_). Any 
guesses about the subject of 4& 20 Blackbirds? I can't remember 
anyone named Blackbird in the Free Bards. Or maybe the Blackbirds in 
the title are the Free Bards. 
Drat. Now I'm gonna spend all my time trying to second guess Misty 
til she comes out with those books. This is getting as bad as 
Katherine Kurtz (except Misty doesn't make you wait as long).

Was anyone else who read SB really annoyed by the ending? It felt 
like a "just you wait sucker" ending cause she ended the book too 
soon. If you were and want to talk about it email me privately at 
ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu. 

Emily the invisible

PS Is anyone else waiting REALLY impatiently for Diane Duane's _A 
Wizard Abroad_ to be published in the US? 
Bye,
Emily Cartier

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:52:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Nina M Ehgartner <nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: psych and presents    
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.961101083729.16726D-100000-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>


I have to agree with whomever said that Van was introverted.  He never
appeared to be a "social creature."  But, by MPrice, his isolation
(IMESHO) is due more to (1) his fear that his family/friends will be hurt
becasue of who/what is is and (2) the fact that so many people were afraid
of him and they kept their distance.  Even so, I don't recall him enjoying
large, exuberant activities.

As for all of you who are celebrating November birthdays, here is my gift
to you:

a large batch of soft chocolate cholcolate-chip cookies (nuts optional)
and ice-cream (your choice of flavor, of course) as well as 2 CD's of
your choice that you've always wanted but never received/bought.  Happy
birthday to one and all!

Nina


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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:15:55 -0500
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Birthdays/Thou../handfasting/books/candlemarks
Message-ID: <199611011515.KAA16126-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

At 05:24 PM 10/31/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Greetings Rainwater - it is nice finally to meet someone with the
>same birthday - December 30th. I have a few more years though,
>I am from '52. My email is rib-+AT+-scanjour.dk Do you have the same 
>sad memories of X-mas presents that also were birthday gifts?
I am worse off then you then since my B-day is the day before Christmas.
Mine is closer to Christmas but then again the only memories that are bad
from my birthday are that I was always sick on my birthday.

>
>Thank you Cennydd for the little peice about Thee  and Thou.
>We have a similar structure here in Denmark, and it was easy to
>follow for anyone who has had to suffer through lessons in German
>and/or latin.
Well I have not had to sit through the lessons I have had to learn French
though.

\>
>About handfasting. In some rural areas in Denmark there was a tradition,
>that you became engaged so yuo could find out, if the two of yuo were
>fertile together. Then if a child was underway you got married, and if
>not, 
>you just would have to try again with somebody different. All this to
>make
>sure of the family, among other things because it took both adults and 
>children to run a farm.
Well I don't know if I wouldl ike that.  I would have to spend an awful long
time engaged because when I get married I don't want to have children
immediately after marriage.

>
>One of the good things about Denmark is that we can get both American
>and British books. The bad thing about it is that we have to pay the 
>equivalent of $10 - $12 for a paperback. This means that I usually wait
>until the paperback as the hardbacks are even more expensive. I have
>been able to buy quite a few Terry Prachett books here among all the 
>other books I have collected during the years.
>
>Candlemarks: I do remember that Keral once thought about candlemarks
>and compared them to his own (something with water (me-+AT+-work, 
>books-+AT+-home)). I have always thought of candlemarks as hours and
>that this just was a way to make us feel that this place is different.
>
>Richard (yet to decide what to be God of)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 10:12:47 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: BDAYS/deer
Message-ID: <199611011523.KAA13614-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>


2-DAY WARNING:	Summersong's birthday is coming up on November third!  Don't 
be late.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Somebody mentioned the carrying capacity of the environment.  Well, here are 
two graphs (population vs. time) to demonstrate the working of carrying 
capacity.  The first is where nothing special happens and is the mathematical 
ideal.  The second is what happens when the population exceeds it's carrying 
capacity.

- - - - - - - - - - - carrying capacity - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                                               ____/------------------------>
                                         _____/
                                        /
    (classic "S" curve)                 |
                                   _____/
                            ______/
<--------------------------/

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
                                
                               /^\
                              /   \
- - - - - - - - - - - carrying|capacity - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                              |    \ 
                             /      \______
                            /              \-------------------------------->
                        ___/             (notice that if the carrying capacity
                    ___/              is exceeded, the population never fully
<------------------/                  recovers, in a sense, the carrying 
                                                capacity is diminished)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*******************
Witches?  Well, I'm a newbie solitary, Jaiook.
(((((((((((((((((((((
ObMisty: You know what I've always had trouble with?  I've been having 
problems visualizing that explanation of the magestorms in SW or SR where 
they're talking about the two circles' intersections being two points.  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the locus of the points in common between 
two sets of concentric circles with fixed radii a line (plane) that is the 
perpendicular bisector of (orthagonal to) the segment joining the radii of the 
two circles instead of two pts? (Yeppers, can you tell Geometry was one of my 
favorite topics?  Makes a lot more sense than Calculus).  Help me out, please? 

love,
deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |I was a brassbound Idealist in those days.
of Procrastination and Holy    |If you are an Idealist it does not matter
Custodian of the B-Day List.   |what you do or what goes on around you
Confused?  Write me!           |because it isn't real anyway.
                 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    -- Robert Penn Warren

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:24:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Alice Pinard <apinar31-+AT+-violet.umfacad.maine.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: lifebound-lovebond/storm breaking spoiler
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961101102226.18521B-100000-+AT+-localhost>



On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Linda Malcor, Ph.D wrote:

> At 05:29 PM 10/31/96 GMT, Sean wrote:
> >A question just occurred to me the other night.  What would happen to
> >someone who was lovebonded who then lifebonded to someone else?  I find it
> >hard to believe that the previous love would just disappear!  Any thoughts?
> >
> I figure they would form one of those "rare trios" that Misty mentions in
> connection with Keren/Ylsa/Sherrill.
> 
Hmm, or would it be something like with Talia and Kris and Dirk? I know at
one point she knows she thinks of Kris as 'just a friend' and that it's
Dirk she really cares for but isn't there a while when she's really
confused about the whole thing and doesn't know about lifebonds?

Alice Pinard, Demon Squirrel of Farmington


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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:08:10 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:those damn circles :-)
Message-ID: <9611011614.AA25347-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

Oh, goody, something I can explain!
Deniz said:
>ObMisty: You know what I've always had trouble with?  I've been 
>having 
>problems visualizing that explanation of the magestorms in SW or SR 
>where 
>they're talking about the two circles' intersections being two 
>points.  
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the locus of the points in common 
>between two
>sets of concentric circles with fixed radii a line (plane) that is 
>the
>perpendicular bisector of (orthagonal to) the segment joining the 
>radii of the
>two circles instead of two pts? (Yeppers, can you tell Geometry was 
>one of my
>favorite topics?  Makes a lot more sense than Calculus).  Help me 
>out, please? 

If you read the explanation in the books it IS really confusing. 
Those "circles" are the visible expression of a pair of magical waves 
interfering with each other, just like light "waves". If you want to 
see it in real life, get a dark room, a light bulb (very small), and 
some poster board. Use one piece of poster board as a screen. Take 
the other piece and put 2 SMALL pinprick size holes in it a little 
way apart. Then turn on the light bulb so that the only light that 
falls on the screen comes from those two holes. Voila, you have an 
interferance (sp?) pattern. This is the best explanation I can do. 
Ben Bova has a nonfiction book about light that gives a better 
explanation, or you could look in a physics textbook, or a physics 
teacher's brain (any one of the above will probably give you more 
than you ever wanted to know about waves and physics).

Emily the invisible

PS you can get similar results (for a couple of seconds) using a tank 
of water and disturbing the surface in 2 places, but it takes more 
equipment and $. And the result is harder to see.
Bye,
Emily Cartier

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