MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 926

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Piers/music&musicals/Emily quote
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
  2) Shakespeare (rather long, total non-Misty)
	by "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
  3) Re: She's heeeeeere..../circles (no! don't delete me! AAAAA!)
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  4) TDC: Those d*mn circles
	by Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
  5) Re: Xanth/Music/Offerings-Apologies
	by Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
  6) Firesong&Silverfox/grudges/OS/volume/Gods/quotes/sheep
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  7) solo/IPA
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
  8) procrastination/women/Anne/circles, kinda
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
  9) Re: Firesong&Silverfox/grudges/OS/volume/Gods/quotes/sheep
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 10) OOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS!!!
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
 11) Elspeth/music/booted
	by Renee Mic Markowicz <flare-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 12) Braiding (yes again)
	by Renee Mic Markowicz <flare-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 13) OOPS!
	by Renee Mic Markowicz <flare-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 14) Re: ObMisty?
	by Kat <n9546529-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>
 15) An'desha/pronunciations/Myers-Briggs
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

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Date:        Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:40:04 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Piers/music&musicals/Emily quote
Message-ID:  <06NOV96.18001351.0034.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Never cared for Xanth.  Of course, I never found puns really funny, even
as a child.  I don't groan and cringe when I hear them, I just think,
"Wow, that really wasn't particularly funny." So you can see I'm not cut
from the cloth of a Xanth fan.  I did like On a Pale Horse well enough,
but not enough to read the rest of the series.  Ah, well.  One of the
many reasons that I'm frequently accused of having no sense of humor.  I
do, really, I swear.  It's just...a little dry.

I'm a big filk and folk-rock fan.  Half my music collection is, oh,
Steeleye Span and New St. George and Tempest and Avalon Rising and the
like, plus my Heather Alexander, Julia Ecklar, Meg Davis, Leslie Fish,
Michael Longcor, yadda yadda.  Mostly from Firebird (they used to
recognize my voice there, before I got terminally poor), but not
exclusively.  I'm also deeply partial to Loreena McKennitt, and have a
smattering of Things People Have Heard Of -- some Indigo Girls, some
Concrete Blonde, Heart's older albums (Dreamboat Annie's my favorite).
And the other half is all musical theater.  I could open my own Broadway
theater for what I've spent on CDs.

And, yes, I do have Secret Garden (two versions), and I do like "Hold
On," as a song.  But my whole point this week is that that's exactly the
*wrong* message.  I cannot just wait out the problems in this world.
They are not going to go away if I can just avoid them long enough.
"It's this storm, not you, that's bound to blow away." Yeah, right.  Not
this time.  This time, in this situation, it certainly *is* me, and all
of us, who are going to lose out before it's all over, unless something
changes.  And the best I can do to change anything is punch a card for
the least objectionable of my two political parties and mail in my
checks to Covenant House for damage control and occasionally write a
letter to someone who cares, but not much.  Sorry.  I'm just not willing
to be consoled right away <g> This is my week to wallow.

To the person who quoted:
"Because I could not stop for Death/He kindly stopped for me," you do
recognize that as a line from Emily Dickinson, right?  I couldn't tell
from the context; it sort of sounded as though it were supposed to be
original to a Copeland song.  Which it's not; it's quite famous.  If you
knew that, I'm sorry.  But if not, now you do.

The root "she" as in she'chorne and, by extention, shay'a'chern, means
"heart." We know this because "she'enedra" means "heart-sister," and we
recognize "enedra" as related to whichever clan it is, the Deer Sibs, I
guess, who have a similar term.  You're following this, right?  I don't
know exactly what light this sheds on the etymology discussion, but if
it has some meaning related to "love," then...I don't know, someone else
figure it out.  But it's a piece to the puzzle, at least.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 23:58:40 CST
From: "Katherine M. Brielmaier" <Katherine.M.Brielmaier-1-+AT+-tc.umn.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Shakespeare (rather long, total non-Misty)
Message-ID: <95247.brie0030-+AT+-gold.tc.umn.edu>

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 20:29:15 GMT, 
Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com  <Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com> wrote:
>
>Kaatje commented:
>>>Segue: Just saw Romeo and Juliet tonight....if you can survive the first
>20 minutes, which are *horrendous*, I recommend it.  The rest of the movie 
>more than makes up for it, once you get used to the style.  And some parts 
>are literally stop-your-heart wonderful.  God, I love Shakespeare.<<<

Then Glithoniel wrote:
>Is there a new version of that old hack(sorry, R & J is one Shakespeare play
>I really hate.  Its just too, too much.  Sickly sweet and idiotic.  Those two
>were real idiots.  I much prefer King Lear or Hamlet or Othello.  At least
>they had something to be tragic about!!)?  But I am curious.  After all  it
>is the Immortal Bard we are talking about here.  Who's in it?  Who directed
>it?  Details, I want details--private e-mail will do.  And have ya'll heard
>that Kenneth Brannaugh is doing a stupendous version of Hamlet due out in
>1997?  I saw a huge promotion for it at the beginning of his new version of
>Othello(which was ok, I was spoiled the very first time I saw that play
>performed.).  It, Hamlet, has an all star caste but the only one I can
>remember at the moment is Billy Crystal as the grave digger.   

R & J's got Leonardo DiCaprio, Claire Danes, John Leguizamo....mostly 
younger actors to appeal to the teenage audience, I can only assume.

In defense of Romeo and Juliet....well, there's not much I *can* say in 
defense, because I pretty much agree with you.  *However*.  Ahem.  
Shakespeare did write some of his most lovely sonnets and built them into 
his play, and for sheer beauty of romantic language, this is wonderful.  
And (being a theatre-type person) I have a wonderful time watching 
Shakespeare done in different ways.  Half the fun of that movie for me was 
watching how they did it differently.  

As I said, certain scenes alone make the film worth watching--Mercutio's 
death, then Tybalt's murder by Romeo, the death scene(s) in the 
tomb/church, R & J's meetings.  It brings home again the violence in this 
play.  It may be about love and lovers, but there are *many* more 
references to death, blood, and violence than to "sweet nothings".  The 
problem I think you may have is that every production you may have seen 
probably played up the romantic bits and left the violence alone.  Watching 
that movie, you *believe* that it was ferociously hot, and tempers ran 
high, and blood was always close to the surface.  For me, this production 
made the violence inherent in the play much more believable.  I never 
bought it that they'd both be upset enough to commit suicide, but since the 
play had to go that way, well, then that's it.  Well, this time I 
*believed* it.  I saw for the first time the violent power necessary to the 
play's momentum.

*************
King Lear:

                      The tempest in my mind
   Doth from my senses take all feeling else,
   Save what beats there.  Filial ingratitude,
   It is not as this mouth should tear this hand
   For lifting food to't? But I will punish home.
   No, I will weep no more. In such a night
   To shut me out! Pour on, I will endure.
   In such a night as this! O Regan, Goneril,
   Your old kind father, whose frank heart gave all--
   O, that way madness lies; let me shun that.
   No more of that.


Othello:

   It is the cause, it is the cause, my soul.
   Let me not name it to you, you chaste stars.
   It is the cause.  Yet I'll not shed her blood,
   Nor scar that whiter skin of hers than snow,
   And smooth as monumental alabaster.
   Yet she must die, else she'll betray more men.
   Put out the light, and then put out the light.
   If I quench thee, thou flaming minister,
   I can again thy former light restore,
   Should I repent me; but once put out thy light,
   Thou cunning'st pattern of excelling nature,
   I know not where is that Promethean heat
   That can thy light relume.  When I have plucked the rose,
   I cannot give it vital growth again;
   It needs must wither.


Hamlet:

                              How stand I then,
   That have a father killed, a mother stained 
   Excitements of my reason and my blood,
   And let all sleep, while to my shame I see
   The imminent death of twenty thousand men
   That for a fantasy and trick of fame
   Go to their graves like beds, fight for a plot
   Whereon the numbers cannot try the cause,
   Which is not tomb enough and continent
   To hide the slain? O, from this time forth
   My thoughts be bloody or be nothing worth!



You just don't get much better than that.

***************
I have seen the trailer for Hamlet, and I guess I'm a little nervous about 
it.  It looks dangerously like one of those old Hollywood productions (Cast 
of Thousands! etc.).  I mean, at some point I think it would be distracting 
to see all sort of "famous actors" popping up all over the place.  

And I hate to say it, since I *really* like Kenneth Branagh, but I just 
can't see him as Hamlet.  He's just too old.  Hamlet is fresh out of 
college (most likely younger than that, even) and hasn't a heck of a lot of 
experience at anything.  He's been at boarding school with Horatio, 
kept pretty much under lock and key, since he is a king's son, after all, 
and he comes home to find his father dead, his uncle on the throne, and his 
mother sleeping with the uncle.  And then he's told that his father's 
*ghost* has been talking on the ramparts?!  The poor kid snapped.  Wouldn't 
you?

I believe that the main reason he wavered throughout the play about killing 
his uncle was because he just couldn't handle it.  Had he been older, more 
hardened, with more experience and some cynicism behind him, he probably 
would have taken out old Uncle Claudius without much agonizing beforehand.  
Instead, because he was young, and inexperienced, and still close to life, 
he waited, and waited, until the idea became so huge he was unable to 
cope.  I just don't think Branagh is able to be young enough to pull that 
off.  Mel Gibson, by the way, is better, but still a little too old, I 
think.  But Branagh still gets the benefit of the doubt, because if he does 
the same kind of quality with this as with his others, then it'll be 
wonderful just the same.

All of this is completely My Opinion (tm), and should be read as such.

's e do bheatha,

Kaatje

There I am in younger days, star gazing,
Painting picture perfect maps of how my life and love would be
Not counting the unmarked paths of misdirection
My compass, faith in love's perfection
I missed ten million miles of road I should have seen
                                         --Indigo Girls

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 23:43:07 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: She's heeeeeere..../circles (no! don't delete me! AAAAA!)
Message-ID: <9611070448.AA20066-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

>The "I Made It" rejoicing at the beginning of this message is due to the 
>fact 
>that I have just finished reading EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ARCHIVES!!!!! ALL 
>NINE HUNDRED AND HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE NOW!!!!! This means that I 
>understand 
>the usual acronyms and also know all about the sheep, how to use snipping 
>and 
>braiding as a fire management strategy, "Magic's Purple Passion" and "The 
>Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgarth", not asking The Dreaded Savil/Sayvil 
>Question, and why we should NOT hijack a certain creation - or ANY 
>creation - 
>of Jake's (who I worship, btw. We're Not Worthy). Pppbthththththt to anyone 
>who was hoping for an easy target! (Now watch while everyone tries to get me 
>anyway! <weg>)


I am in awe. A newbie who's not a newbie. A newbie who knows the 
mage-war. A newbie who knows the in-jokes. A newbie, by the gods, who has 
completed a task nay..not herculean...higher up..cennydd, find a word;P 
Has ANYONE ever read all the digests before? Here's the scene on irc when 
I read your post:

Korendil: wow...a really devoted mistylister, for a newbie:
  <put in what I replied to>
  LordWurm: heh
  LordWurm: for a newbie?:P
  Korendil: yeah
  LordWurm: for anyone
  Korendil: truw
  Korendil: but a good start
  LordWurm: you never did that:P
  Korendil: minor detail

 Whew. BTW, was I really newbie-ish when I was snester-+AT+-aol.com? Wait...by 
this point the earlier digests prolly slipped from your memory;P I say 
you should go for Goddess of the DIgests or something;P you realize that 
from now on everyone will bug you about things;> you better have a 
reeeeaaaallllyyyy good memory;>

Totally fluffy non-related thing: As anyone who might recall mid-july, 
ShadowLover and I were gonna have a duel to decide who got control of 
dreams..since they fell under both of our spheres of power...but S-L's 
either gone or lurking. Until such time that he returns or Thessa steps 
in, I'm taking over the Realm of Dreams. THink of me as the God of Night, 
Patron Deity of All Things Nocturnal (yes, my sig compacts that to save 
space), and Master of Dreams-in-acting. 

Totally serious boring fluff:

Kenneth? What's your view on using "their" as a singular pronoun? Like 
"Every one loves their books." ?

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:57:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: TDC: Those d*mn circles
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961106234432.15555C-100000-+AT+-minerva.cis.yale.edu>

My question is, wise ones of the Compass Rose, what kind of waves are we
talking about here?  Are they traveling waves (like electromagnetic
radiation [light, x-rays and gamma rays]) or are they standing waves (like
in water, I think, where though the medium is disturbed, matter stays in
one place, traveling in an elipse as a wave passes, ending where it
started.  I think I remember this from oceanography, but I could really be
messing things up.  Also, I think there's another type of wave, but I
can't remember.  Oh wise ones, have a sausage roll and a mug of ale, and
please explain which type they are (and if it even matters!)

Thanks, Ke'leecha
___________________________________________________________________________
"Life breaks free, it expands to new territory, painfully,
perhaps even dangerously, but....life finds a way."- Ian Malcolm, JP
___________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:08:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Xanth/Music/Offerings-Apologies
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.961107000725.18859A-100000-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>



On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Jaiook Park wrote:

> Thanks to all you's that said either they liked Xanth/Pier Anthony or warned
> me never to speak his name again.  I'd like to procliam that I absolutely
> Loved Xanth, though I liked the Incarnations of Immortality more.  
> 

Hmm, you mean the Men in White are still getting recruits after being 
whomped on numerous times?  

                           Tensen


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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:39:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Firesong&Silverfox/grudges/OS/volume/Gods/quotes/sheep
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961107002546.23021H-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>

> I'm too lazy to walk into the other room and get my books, but I remember
> reading something somewhere that Firesong had known Silverfox before
> Silverfox showed up in Haven.  I'm fuzzy about where that was, though.

Well, they know each other from the end of WoC/beginning of WoFury.
How well they "know" each other is the question, though. <weg>

============================================================================
> From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
> HtH wrote 
> > Firemist, as a self-described grudge-treasurer of the Elspeth school, 
> > you might not have forgiven either one. 
> 
> Now, when I read the end of Magic 1, where Dark-doo-dit is chewing the fat 
> with Elspeth (is that an english or an american expression? If it's english,
> it means talking, nattering, putting the world to rights), there's a goodly
> paragraph about how Elspeth  holds a grudge - something about returning to
> dance on the grave?? 

[rest snipped]

One thing about the grudge line has bothered me for a while.  On my
last round of rereads, I came across a line in either Arrows or BTS
calling Elspeth something like, "a sweet, intelligent girl.  She
was the type who would never hold a grudge."  I know it's there, 
I just can't rememeber where it was.  It struck a chord when I read
that, then the line in WoFate. But then, this could just be part
of the total personality change that Elspeth went through between
BTS and Winds.  Not that I don't like the new Elspeth.  In fact, she's
among my favorite Misty characters.  But they still seem to be completely
different people.

========================================
> From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
Deniz said:
> >Yes, that was and this still is deniz.  Macs are NOT True Computers I'll 
> >have 
> >you know!  
> OK. I won't go into this. I WON'T.

Must.  Resist.  OS Wars.  But the Comp Sci major in me is screaming
agreement with the God in me's High Preistess. :)

> But even this summer wasn't anything compared to last year...back then 
> forgetting to check you mail for 12 hours caused major backlog;> Braiding 
> has helped a lot, tho...heh. I remember my aol days, when I checked my 
> mail once a week...took me around 5 hours to answer all my misty 
> mail...offline, of course;>

But you know what's even more fun?  At that time, I was also on another
list, which was actually *higher* in volume than this list.  Now *that*
list went beyond fluffy to clique-ish.  Ick.

> >You know, but I just realized that my whole ecclesiastical organization
> >is made up of women. Odd. 
> 
> Blah. I'd join if I didn't have prior commitments. Having gods 
> worshipping others isn't a good thing to promote unless you're a 
> Christain Missionary in unconverted territory;> hmm..reminds me..I hafta 
> write a report for science tonight...

Well, Becky _is_ both My Handmaid, and the Goddess of Dry Breakfast
Cereals and somthing else. :)

> >Mat
> >Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"Won't you come, join, dance in the
> >Adept, God of Procrastination      | circle? The voices will make your
> >Heathen #???, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | heart yearn.  To please come, join,
> >mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | dance in the circle, but know that
> >http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  | you'll never return." -- HA
> 
> AHEM! HA did NOT write that! It's a traditional! On almost every bayfilk 
> tape! wait...maybe I should check my little jacket 
> thingy..brb..balh..can't find any..

<shrug>  I didn't know.  My copy of Midsummer is a trade^H^H^H^H^Hgift
of another list member, so I don't have the attributions. :)

But just for you, I changed my sig. <g>

===========================================================================
It's funny.  Guess what book I'm reading for English now?
_Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep_.  :)  And no, I'm not
kidding.  It's the book that the movie "Blade Runner" with Harrison
Ford was based on.


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"I raised my head, my arms like 
Adept, God of Procrastination      | lead, my heart ablaze once 
Heathen #???, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | more.  The Faerie Queen looked
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | down at me, shaken to the core."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  |  - Heather Alexander/Phil Obermarck


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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 00:52:47 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: solo/IPA
Message-ID: <199611070634.BAA04474-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

AAAAAaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!!<-----(hey, lookie there, 5 of each!  this is cool!)

I don't know if I got the solo or not.  Today in rehearsal, she had me stand 
up and do it, and then said she'd sleep on it. Aaaagh!  How irritating!  I 
should know on Saturday.  The thing is, it's a hard solo to do, because they 
want it to sound like a boy treble, and I can pull it off if I don't ground, 
even though I'm 18 -- it has to do with the fact that I'm a dramatic, and 
won't mature completely until I'm 23 or so.  She just wants more volume now, 
which will be hard to do without giving more voice.  And if she decides not to 
use me, she'll probably use an actual boy.  How embarrasing.  Lady Sophia?  
I'm praying.
******************************

Ken wrote:
>>Key:	a = the "a" in "father"
	A = the "a" in "cat"<<
how about ae, instead of A, and A for the tall a in french like "larme"
>>	-+AT+- = the "a" in "above" (the schwa)
	e = the "a" in "date"<<
                        ^^^^<---- with an irish accent.  "bacon" works, too
Might I add (while we're at it):
	O = the "ou" in "ought"
	o = the "o" in "obey" (NO Dipthonging allowed)
	| = glottal stop

I'm not even gonna tackle the U's

A-hah!  This is IPA, no?  I had to learn it to help with pronunciation in 
music.  It's wondrously useful for impressing people.  I mostly use it for 
German, because it's the language I have the least experience with.  Oh, and 
all my Latin I learned from singing.

> Alberich - al-BEAR-ich
	['Al.b-+AT+-.rIk] (the "k" is slightly sprirantized to sound like the
		     German "ch"
me	['al.b-+AT+-.rIk] (secondary stress on third syllable)
> Karal - KAR-rul
	['kar.-+AT+-l]
me	[kar.'al] (am I the only one who stresses the second syllable?  Must 
		   be because of Deniz's Turkish)
> Natoli - nah-TOL-ee 
	[n-+AT+-.'ta.li]
me	['nae.t-+AT+-.li] (so I say it Americanized--shoot me. no, not you, deniz)
Skandranon = ['skAn.dr-+AT+-.nan]
me	[skan.'dra.nan] (once again, I think I'm unique.)

umm, that's all i have to say right now, and deniz would really like back at 
the keyboard.  She asked nicely, and she had the right bribe, so i'll let her.

love,
free bard woodlark, Acolyte in |On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur.
Music and Song, and not deniz  |L'essentiel est invisible pour les
at all, even though i know her |yeux.
username and passwords. <weg>  |     --  Antoine de Saint-Exupery
                 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA


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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 01:23:16 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: procrastination/women/Anne/circles, kinda
Message-ID: <199611070634.BAA04493-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Mat, my G*d, wrote:
>>Teleute, by My blessing, thou art proclaimed Mad Prophetess of
Procrastination! [boom of thunder (or is that the sound of many
people running to their computers to write papers? :) )<<

Uhhh... cool!  how am i supposed to react to a mad prophetess?  Euhh, Teleute 
as a Mad Prophetess of Procrastination -- now *that* is an image that 
definitely qualifies as "bien bizarre"  Well, I welcome you, Teleute, mine 
sister, and hope that you can spout eloquently so that I don't always have to, 
and I enjoy having you spout to possible converts, as long as I don't have to 
clean the drool-stained shirts.

>>You know, but I just realized that my whole ecclesiastical organization
is made up of women. Odd.<<

Many straight men and lesbian women would kill to say that.  H*ll, *I* 
wouldn't mind saying it!  I'm not gonna get into reasons why we're all women, 
because it'll sound stereotypical and all that, so I just won't.  Think of it 
this way, it's society's fault.  Then again, I hate using society as the 
scapegoat for everything -- it's such a cheap way out.  Heather?  Could you 
enlighten us (or me) on how to blame society for what it should be blamed for 
and how to shoulder the rest?

>>It's Pegasus in Flight.  I wish McCaffrey would write a sequel to that
instead of another horrid Pern or future Talent novel (don't get me wrong,
I love Pern and The Rowan, and Damia, but the recent stuff, especially
of the latter is dreck).<<

I agree wholeheartedly.  And not just because I'm your High Priestess.  After 
Damia, it went downhill.  Not only that, but the blurbs on the books were 
misleading, too!

Mel the Redcap said:
>>Which is what Misty actally said. So she wasn't wrong! Hallelujah! Our 
Worshipful Author was correct! <ggg><<

Textevd me, someone, please!  I'll be able to not make another circle related 
post happily.  By the way, welcome RedMel!  Hold up!  Where do you get your 
e-mail access from?  army? defense? govmt?  Whaa?


love,
deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |I was a brassbound Idealist in those days.
of Procrastination and Holy    |If you are an Idealist it does not matter
Custodian of the B-Day List.   |what you do or what goes on around you
Confused?  Write me!           |because it isn't real anyway.
                 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    -- Robert Penn Warren

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 01:37:39 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firesong&Silverfox/grudges/OS/volume/Gods/quotes/sheep
Message-ID: <199611070647.BAA05532-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu> wrote:
>> From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
>Deniz said:
>> >Yes, that was and this still is deniz.  Macs are NOT True Computers I'll 
>> >have 
>> >you know!  
>> OK. I won't go into this. I WON'T.
>
>Must.  Resist.  OS Wars.  But the Comp Sci major in me is screaming
>agreement with the God in me's High Preistess. :)

You'll enjoy this tidbit I just got tonight.

>Umberto Eco's take on the religious war b/w microcomputers
>The following excerpts are from an English translation of Umberto Eco's
>back-page column, La bustina di Minerva, in the Italian news weekly
>Espresso, September 30, 1994.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     ...."Insufficient consideration has been given to the new
>     underground religious war which is modifying the modern world.
>     It's an old idea of mine, but I find that whenever I tell people
>     about it they immediately agree with me.
>
>     "The fact is that the world is divided between users of the
>     Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am
>     firmly of the opinion that the Macintosh is Catholic and that DOS
>     is Protestant. Indeed, the Macintosh is counter-reformist and has
>     been influenced by the 'ratio studiorum' of the Jesuits. It is
>     cheerful, friendly, conciliatory, it tells the faithful how they
>     must proceed step by step to reach--if not the Kingdom of
>     Heaven--the moment in which their document is printed. It is
>     catechistic: the essence of revelation is dealt with via simple
>     formulae and sumptuous icons. Everyone has a right to salvation.
>
>     "DOS is Protestant, or even Calvinistic. It allows free
>     interpretation of scripture, demands difficult personal decisions,
>     imposes a subtle hermeneutics upon the user, and takes for granted
>     the idea that not all can reach salvation. To make the system work
>     you need to interpret the program yourself: a long way from the
>     baroque community of revellers, the user is closed within the
>     loneliness of his own inner torment.
>
>     "You may object that, with the passage to Windows, the DOS
>     universe has come to resemble more closely the counter-reformist
>     tolerance of the Macintosh. It's true: Windows represents an
>     Anglican-style schism, big ceremonies in the cathedral, but there
>     is always the possibility of a return to DOS to change things in
>     accordance with bizarre decisions; when it comes down to it, you
>     can decide to allow women and gays to be ministers if you want to.
>
>     "And machine code, which lies beneath both systems (or
>     environments, if you prefer)? Ah, that is to do with the Old
>     Testament, and is talmudic and cabalistic..."

love,
deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |I was a brassbound Idealist in those days.
of Procrastination and Holy    |If you are an Idealist it does not matter
Custodian of the B-Day List.   |what you do or what goes on around you
Confused?  Write me!           |because it isn't real anyway.
                 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    -- Robert Penn Warren

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 01:39:22 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: OOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS!!!
Message-ID: <199611070649.BAA05660-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

I did NOT mean to send that to the list.  I hit send before I changed the 
address.  I am SOOOO sorry.  Just to make up for it, I'm dumping my sig in 
this post.
love, deniz sarikaya, blah, blah, blah.

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 01:52:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Renee Mic Markowicz <flare-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Elspeth/music/booted
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961107013431.28576A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

A few more things:

>One thing about the grudge line has bothered me for a while.  On my
>last round of rereads, I came across a line in either Arrows or BTS
>calling Elspeth something like, "a sweet, intelligent girl.  She
>was the type who would never hold a grudge."  I know it's there, 
>I just can't rememeber where it was.  It struck a chord when I read

I think it was in BTS, when Elspeth is appointed to Kero for some reason
or another.  I think this was how Kero describes her.  I may be thinking
of something else, though.
 ========================================

About the music question... I forgot to mention that I'm also a Broadway
show tunes and filk music freak!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AAAIEE!  I just got booted off the list!  And after writing a message that
took me about an hour!  I hope I saved it... Well, at least it was
wonderful procrastinating.  Unfortunately I'm procrastinating about going
to sleep.  Not generally a good thing.  Oh well.

Zhai'helleva,
Renee, High Priestess of Procrastination

"God creates Dinosaurs
 God destroys Dinosaurs
 God creates Man
 Man destroys God
 Man creates Dinosaurs" - Malcolm
"Dinosaurs eat Man
 Woman inherits the Earth" - Ellie
(Jurassic Park)


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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 01:57:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Renee Mic Markowicz <flare-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braiding (yes again)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961107015645.28576D-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

Aaiieee!  I signed off last night, fully intending to get back to the 77
messages in my Inbox (All Praise Mat! <much bowing and scraping,
lighting of incense, and offering of chocolate sheep>), and
when I came back - they had all dissappeared!  Horror!  Ah well, I suppose
I'll just have to pick up from today's mail.  Since there's so much of it,
this may take a while...

>>Why do we all *know* that Companionscan reincarnate as Heralds?  I don'
t *know* that. <<

Not all the textevd for this is spoilerish:
In Storm Warning, I think Altra said something about Firecats being
previous Sons of the Sun.  He then said that there weren't as many
Firecats as their were Companions b/c there were fewer previous Sons of
the Sun than their were previous Heralds.  Or something like that...

BTW, at one point when Karal first meets Altra he says something like,
"Altra, wasn't that the Son of the Sun who..."  then he doesn't say what!
Did this bug anyone else?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jaiook said:
>>One more question, What types of music do all you people out there
like(Go Alanis!)? <<

Well, I like plenty of kinds of music.  New Age is really cool - Windham
Hill Artists, Jazz and Big Band and Swing rock the house, Rock 'n' Roll is
always wonderful, and classical - Gustav Holst, need I say more?
Reggae is all right, but I abhor rap and extremely hard rock (you know,
the kind were the lead people scream instead of sing.).  I also sing
Soprano and play the clarinet and a bit of alto sax.  I think that
covers everything...
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Deniz said:
Welcome back, mine sister.  If it weren't for seeing you in the daily chores 
of High Priestesshood, I might have worried that something of serious misshap 
had occured.  Obviously, it hasn't, and your ongoing efforts set a wonderful 
example for the rest of Mat's worshipers.<<

Sorry if I worried you my fellow Priestess.  Next time that I intend to
immerse myself so fully in worship of our beloved God, Mat, I will endevor
to warn my fellow worshippers ahead of time so that I don't cause anyone
any undue stress. :) (Whew, was that a run-on sentence, or what?)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To everyone who oh-so-kindly informed me of the location of Kerowyn's
Ride, I thank you all.  Does anyone know where I can find the tape?  What
else is on it?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Pronunciation Question:
Here's how I've always pronounced everyone's names (I could, of course,
be completely wrong):
Vanyel : VAN - yuhl ("a" pronounced like in "moving van")
Yfandes : ee - FAN - dehz ("a" same as above)
Selenay : SEHL - ehn - ay (I used to pronounce it suh - LAYN - ee, but
          then I realized that that couldn't possibly be right.)
Talia : TAL - ee - uh ("a" as in apple)
kyree : keer - ee
gryphon : GRI - fuhn (I as in "eye")
Alberich : AL - burr - ick ("a" as in apple)
Karal : Kuh - rahl
Altra : AWL - truh
Natoli : Nuh - TOE - lee
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Cenn asked:
>Ok, here is a recycle of an ObMisty: what popular song (from whatever
>genre) would you match up to which Misty characters?  Or what songs would
>you like to hear in the background, if they actually made a Misty movie.
>Sort of a variation of the casting thread (which can stay dormant for a
>while longer, please!).



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>Um, Ke'leecha stretches out a paw and grabs at an ObMisty, any ObMisty:
>Are there any interspecies bonds (Aside from humans)?  For instance,
could
>a kyree and a gryphon lifebond?  Just a thought.  I know, it was weak,
>I'll do better next time.

I don't know about kyree/gryphon lifebonds, but I do remember a discussion
about reincarnation between Savil and Starwind and Moonsong.  She was
wondering about something like a kyree being reincarnated as a human and
what an interesting situation that would be at the dinner table... <g> :)
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Lady Silvermoon wrote (at least I think it was her...):
>>Oh,  and our school is doing Bye Bye Birdie as the musical this year. I'm
hoping to get the role of Rosie.  =)<<

My high school did Bye Bye Birdie when I was in the middle school.  It was
a great production.  I wish you luck with your try-outs!
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Mat extolled:
>>Ah, always the good worshipper, eh my Priestess? :)  

You know I am ever faithful Oh Divine One.  I live only to serve you.  :)
<g>  BTW, which do you prefer - incense, scented candles, or both, or
neither? I've been curious.  :) <G>

>Teleute, by My blessing, thou art proclaimed Mad Prophetess of
>Procrastination! [boom of thunder (or is that the sound of many
>people running to their computers to write papers? :) )

Welcome to the fold Teleute!  Just one question... What exactly does a Mad
Prophetess do?

>You know, but I just realized that my whole ecclesiastical organization
>is made up of women. Odd. 

I guess you're just lucky, that way.  :D

>You know, I was thinking about what kind of Velgarth story I'd like
>to see next (hold those coconuts -- not Windrider&Co!).  I think
>it would be nice if Misty did a future Velgarth story.  Not a
>futuristic story, just one that takes place a hundred or two years
>later, sort of like LHM and Arrows (etc).  Much as I like the 
>current characters, it'd be interesting to have some totally new
>ones.

I think that would be a good idea.  I remember that one of the things I
like most about the Gryphon trilogy is that for the most part, it
introduced completely new and unfamiliar characters.  Maybe if she did a
book about Karse, maybe in earlier years.  One of the nice thinks about
the Vows and Honors duology was that it got us _out of Valdemar_.  Maybe
that's what Misty needs to do.
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Ele admitted:
>I am new to the list, so I am not sure whether I will come up with a

Welcome Ele!  I'm sure that you'll enjoy the list.

>payed homage to our revered God of Procrastination and stayed up until 5
>A.M., and got up again at 7 A.M.). In Oathbreakers Waarrl (sp?) tells
>Tarma that he would enjoy going with her when the Stareyed calls her.
>Thereafter we know that Tarma is a leshy'ae  Kal'enedral but what about
>the kyree?  Any thoughts?

My, my, my.  We seem to be aquiring quite a few worshippers, aren't we
Mat?  You should take advantage and ask for tythes.  That way we
can get all kinds of new accoutrements that the temple has been
needing.  You know, like new lounges where your High Priestesses
can while away the time that they might have spent on doing work...
What do you think, Deniz?  Priestess Lounges sound good?  Anyway, when in
Oathbreakers did Waarl say that? Help! I don't remember!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hail!! Oh Goddess of crappy weather! You sure are active in Denmark at
>the moment.

I don't remember who wrote this, but she's sure been active in Newark,
Delaware, as well!  The weatherman said it was supposed to be 66 degrees
today.  I guess someone prayed to the Goddess of Crappy Weather and asked
that it be closer to 30 degrees!  BRRRR!
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>>err - i thought heralds weren't supposed to do that because it would be
an
>>unethical use of their gift. If your picking the lnaguage out of their 
>>minds, what
>>else are you picking up?
Korendil answered:
>I think it's more of an incidental thing...natural mind-leaks and such...

Thank you Korendil.  That was kind of what I meant when I said that
Heralds might use their Thoughtsensing Gift to pick up languages.  I
didn't mean that they would purposely go poking around in someone's head. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jaiook
>	"You mean I put down my sword, you put down your rock
>	 and we try and kill each other like civilised people?"
>		Wesly, Princess Bride.

OOOOOH!  I just loved that movie!  Wesley is so cool kewl, even if
Buttercup is something of a simpy blonde.  And I just love Inigo!
  "My name is Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die!"
Oh, it gives me chills! <g>
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Lorraine wrote:
>Newbie here----I''ve been reading this for over a week now--found site,
looked interesting, signed up. <

I'm glad you found your way to us!  I'm sure you'll find us to be a very
interesting group.  :)
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Well, I think that's it.  Whew!  And as I was braiding all of this
messages together, I got 8, no make that 9, more!  I think we may all be
insane to do this at 1:00 in the morning, but - oh well.  :)  Another
newbie, I don't remember who, asked about the "obMisty".  It means
obligatory comment having something to do with one of Mercedes Lackey's
books/works/etc.  If your post has been all fluff (non-Misty related
stuff) then you have to stick an obMisty in.  I think it's O.K. not to
stick one in if you put "FLUFF" in your subject line, but don't quote me
on that.  :)

BTW, did anyone ever organize a welcoming committe for newbies?  Just
curious.

ObMisty: Though I'm not sure if I need one... In the Arrows trilogy, a big
deal was made about how close Talia and Skif were.  You know, brother and
sisterly.  Afterwards, their relationship was almost never mentioned at
all.  Anyone have any theories on what happened?

May you always find your day full of plenty of hours to procrastinate,

Renee, High Priestess of Procrastination

"Well *I* certainly can't spank *you*!" Talia retorted, with a touch of
exasperation at the self-pitying mood the Queen had fallen into.
"Oh no?" Selenay laughed.  "That sounded like a well-placed verbal spank
to me!"
(Arrows of the Queen)



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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 02:13:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Renee Mic Markowicz <flare-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: OOPS!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961107021153.5553A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

Ummmm... I've been having a bit of trouble with being booted off the list
and all... I tried to repost my messages, so I'm sorry if some of them get
posted twice or three times.

Zhai'helleva,
Renee, High Priestess of Procrastination


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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:43:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Kat <n9546529-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: ObMisty?
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.961106234109.2209A-100000-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>

> before I join in reguarly--fun reading, tho.  (I have all, I think, of
> Misty's books.) Define "ObMisty", please--I do see what you're doing--the
> word needs clarification, please and thank you.  All these sheep references
> is another item rolling around my head, also.   Again, thanks.

	I too am a newbie here.  I see what the Obmisty's are but, yet I 
still feel the need for some sort of clarification.  This seems like a 
very fun group of people, I am glad I found this list.  ;)

Kat
"All the world's a stage, it's just the casting that sucks.."

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Date:        Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:10:43 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: An'desha/pronunciations/Myers-Briggs
Message-ID:  <06NOV96.21793163.0204.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Hey, no, wait!  I was so with you, right up until the bit slamming the
An'desha/Firesong relationship.  I looooooved that part; I called up
Barbara and told her all about it, bouncing up and down, when I read it.
Finally!  A new Misty relationship!  Not Eternal Love at First Sight!
Humans!  Land-ho!
   I thought there was plenty of justification for it.  They wanted
different things out of life.  Firesong wants someone to be totally
involved with, body and soul, Us Against the World.  An'desha doesn't.
He cares very deeply for Firesong, he cherishes the time they spent
together, but it didn't work out.  Raising hands: how many of us have
been there, done that?  The relationship was okay, the person was great,
but it just wasn't meant to be, and you made better friends than lovers?
I thought it was new, and totally believable, and I think it was the
highlight of the two Storm books I've read so far.  Frankly, nothing in
the Storm series interests me except Firesong and his relationship
angst.  Sue me, I like character interaction, and he's the only one
getting any, at least any that's at all interesting.

My pronunciations:
   Vanyel: VAN-yell, slurred into VAN-y'l, 'cause I'm lazy and I'm from
Missouri.
   Yfandes: Yih-FAHN-deez
   Talia: watch out for this one -- TALE-yah.  I know, it's weird, no
one on the planet says it like this except Barb and me.  All I can say
is, she came up with it.
   Ashkevron: ASH-k'vron.  See? I drop vowels at the slightest
provocation.  I used to pronounce it ash-KAY-vron, until I decided that
didn't slur well into "ashke."
   Shin'a'in: A la Meg Davis, SHEEN-ah-EEN.

Now, you want the correct pronunciation of Vanyel?  Well, sorry, but
it's von-YELL.  Which I think is unutterably goobish, but that's how
Mark Shepherd pronounces it, and since he lives with Misty, I'm assuming
it's the Officially Sanctioned Pronunciation.  I know, it's VON-yell in
some of the songs, but they were probably mashed around to scan
correctly.  Mark and, very likely, Misty pronounce it von-YELL.  I hate
it too.

Well, here's my data from the Myers-Briggs survey.  Enjoy, and be
edified.
    Traditionalists -- the SJs
40% of U.S. males, 40% of U.S. females
9% of Mistylist responses
We seem to be less traditional than most.  I know, you're stunned.

    Action-Oriented -- the SPs
18% of U.S. males, 16% of U.S. females
no Mistylist responses
Yeah, like you're going to spend an hour every day reading your e-mail
if you're action-oriented.

    Knowledge Seekers -- the NTs
26% of U.S. males, 16% of U.S. females
46% of Mistylist responses

    Identity Seekers -- the NFs
16% of U.S. males, 26% of U.S. females
46% of Mistylist responses (slightly less than the NTs)

The most common single type was the INTJ, at 12 definite responses and
four more that bordered on INTJ (56 responses in total).  Four people
didn't quite fit into any of those four categories -- or rather, fit
into more than one.  I didn't know where to put them, so...so there.
   My early results indicated many more Thinkers than Feelers, but those
lazy, rose-smelling Feeling People were just late geting their data in,
and the numbers eventually evened out a lot, 23/20 in the Thinkers'
favor.  A nice balance, really.  Judging maintained a serious lead over
Perceiving, 28/17.  I feel like a sportscaster.  We had only 9
Extroverts, and 4 Sensors -- not to be confused with Censors.
   To my 55 respondants, thank you.  You have contributed to Science.
Or not.  But I had fun with it.



HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu

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