MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 930 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: prayer by Nina M Ehgartner 2) Prayer by ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM 3) re: archives/doodits/postponing/visualisation by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 4) Re: mucho Godly stuff/Norton/Languages/that word/g by ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM 5) industrialization in Valdemar by kcovert-+AT+-wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Kathy Covert) 6) Worship/FLUFF/Overworked by Renee Mic Markowicz 7) (off-topic) Fluffy Question! by Barbara Slater 8) Re: "enedra"/MM&M/Pegasus books/mucho Godly stuff by Renee Mic Markowicz 9) Mailing list by Ian Macdonald 10) fluff mostly by "Stephanie " 11) re:doodits/visualisation by BudLor-+AT+-aol.com 12) [long] Future Velgarth / Xanth / Music / !!! by Jake 13) Re: mucho Godly stuff/prayer by "Emily L Cartier" 14) godesses/Karsite/Ummm/list stuff/Procras stuff/PA by Mat the Cat in Green 15) Modern Times by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 16) Re: fluff mostly by Tensen 17) prayer/doodit/visualizing/fluff/hmwrk/fluff/Xanth/Jake/TDC by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 18) Unmitigated Fluff by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 19) Re: Environment complains/ ObMisty's by JMACGMAC-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:16:57 -0600 (CST) From: Nina M Ehgartner To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: prayer Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Rose wrote: > Have we ever come to a definative decision as to exactly why priests can > not pray during war in Valdemar? I think it's not as much because of the > no one true way, But because of the physical manifestations of G*ds. > With so many different religions in Valdemar, some of the people's G*ds > might not like each other very well and if were invoked at the same > time, might start to fight amoungst themselves and be absolutely no help > to the situation at hand and most likely be a detrement. Any ideas? Hm...sounds vaguely like Homer's _Iliad_, with the entire Pantheon of the gods taking sides. My $.02 on this is that priests can't pray for a war victory because that implies that they are praying for the death/demise of their enemies. Somehow that doesn't fit with any type of priesthood I can think of. Nina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:44:52 -0500 From: ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Prayer Message-ID: ME>But until we see a deity actually influencing/appearing on Velgarth who ME>is *definitely not* either Vkandis or Kal'enel, I'm sticking with the ME>two-god theory. After all, Kal'enel says something that sounds very ME>like that to Tarma in Oathbreakers. She assures her that she can trust ME>the Valdemarans because they, too, worship Kal'enel under a different ME>name. I'm pretty sure I remember this corretly, but someone might want ME>to look it up to be certain. I'll hunt for it when I go home this ME>weekend. In OathBound, after Thalkarsh wipes Tarma's mind, her bond w/ Kal'enel is gone, and Kethry calls to her (Kal'enel), because she knows Tarma's goddess better than the preist helping them. She is then told "Foolish child, I am nothing but another face of your own Lady Windborn - how could I not know you?..........." In OathBreakers, Tarma goes to ask Kal'enel for advice after meeting Herald Roald, and when he comes to check up on her, Kal'enel speaks to him approvingly, for what the Heralds and the Companions do, and finishes with "So I cry - well met, Children of My Other Self!" This suggests to me that all the Goddesses, what ever name they use, are just alternate faces for one, and they same with all the gods. LadyRavn LadyRavn-+AT+-adf.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 15:50:31 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: archives/doodits/postponing/visualisation Message-ID: <9611081450.AA25504-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Greetings, Emily wrote that > Kory asked: >>Has ANYONE ever read all the digests before? > I'm working on it (almost up to seven hundred) but I do have school > work and other stuff to read. And they make absolutely facinating > reading sometimes... Other times there are just lots of people saying > "me too". Well, yes, although seeing as how it was a year ago now, I had a lot less to read. I ploughed through them before subscribing - and actually started contributing (if you can call it that) in December some time - I remember it going *very* quiet over Christmas/New Year =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Our resident linguist was a'sayin': > If current linguistic theory is correct (btw, I think > that Anne knows heaps more about language than Misty, and this book is > very strong supporting evidence), then the Doodit <<<<<<-------- A-ha! I thought it was only me that doodit'ed, whatsit'ed and thingummybobbed! Maybe it's catching? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To postpone, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, subject blank and message body SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL POSTPONE =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- HTH wrote: > I'm reading a lovely book -- The Book of Atrix Wolfe, by Patricia > McKillip. I usually like McKillip but don't die for her, but this is by > far my favorite of her work. I'm deeply impressed. I agree - it's a good book - do you have the little hardback edition with the lovely quality paper? I treated myself, and it's a delight to read - being something of a cheapskate I rarely bother with hardbacks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Obmisty - oof, I dunno, I'm reading some contemporary stuff a the moment - not in the mood for fantasy. Read a sequel to Frances Hodgson Burnett's The Secret Garden (sequels being the in thing at the moment - I counted 9 Austen tie-ins in a book shop in the UK last weekend, including one that appeared to be all of Pride and Prejudice from Darcy's point of view). If you liked the Secret Garden, I thought this was a pretty good go at a 'what happens next' - veery sad, had me snivveling and dripping tears. Not very Mistyish that, lets try again. How well do people find they can visualise Misty's books? There's some - like the Oaths books, that I find I can image very well - I know *exactly* what Tarma and Keth, Hellswhatsit and the-other-one look like. In Winds, there's a few good descriptions, but of Haven, and the life therein I have no images at all. Van - (pause for mental picture painting) - nope, I can't 'see' him, Elspeth, Skif, Selenay - yes, yes, yes, Dirk - well her descriptions of the poor man are so awful, I gave up, and have a sandy haired image, but no real face on it. My images of the Shin'a'ninnies and Tayladdies are sort of stylised native american - I have such a clear image of them, but no idea where I've got it from. Having read the first Wheel of Time book about 6 times (each time a new one comes out I start at the beginning again) - I can "see" that first chapter so clearly - I can almost smell the cold forest, and feel the cold. ML don't achieve that - I suppose she's more a people person. Incidentally, how do WoT devotees pronounce Egwene? (Mr Jordan has some b-awful names) - I skim it down to Egg-wee, sounds dreadful doesn't it? Well I tried, have a good weekend - it's Friiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiday! EE H3'ing her way out of the door, Esmeralda "Are you a physicist?" "Me? I don't know anything about science!" "Marvellous! Ideal qualification!" -- (Terry Pratchett, Johnny and the dead) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:31:42 -0500 From: ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: mucho Godly stuff/Norton/Languages/that word/g Message-ID: ME>Mat, mine God, wrote: ME>>Ummmm, (sorry deniz, can't help it) ME> ^^^^^ ME>Do you really want me to tell you what it means? If anyone does ask, I will ME>respond privately. We do have sensibilities to consider. I would like to know what it means, just cause I'm curious ME>Shadra said: ME>>>ObMisty: What sort of recreational games can you see Misty's characters ME>getting involved in? Capture the flag with gryphons? << ME>Wait a minute... this question looks hauntingly familiar aforementioned issue of Collegium News> well, I know I've seen you ask this question before... did anyone ME>answer it? I remeber in BTS, Kero and the prince whose name I cannot remember at this moment were doing an exercise in the foods where they were supposedly behind enemy lines on a spy mission. It was when they could not get back to Kethry and Tarma's place until they worked together. This could be used as a game, or at least it reminds me of how my friends and I used to play capture the flag LadyRavn LadyRavn-+AT+-adf.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:02:22 -0500 From: kcovert-+AT+-wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Kathy Covert) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: industrialization in Valdemar Message-ID: Re the current discussion of Valdemar: I must admit that I was also unenthusiastic when Natoli started talking about bridges and steam heat. But almost the next thing written was Natoli and one of her Blue-colleagues talking about the potential downsides--remember the "Haven is already smoky" comment? I think Misty is flirting with the idea of a culture adapting technology to industrial use *while considering the environmental consequences". Imagine an industrial age London or Edinburgh without the smoke and grime! It is intriguing to think about, and imagine. Consider a "perpetual motion machine", which can't exist in our world, but might exist in Valdemar with an occasional "push" from a mage. Or imagine rediscovering the magic/technology that allowed Elspeth the Peacemaker to lay roads that have lasted for 400 years. With roads come trade, prosperity, and cultural exchanges. Aren't those good things? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:30:16 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Mic Markowicz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Worship/FLUFF/Overworked Message-ID: For any who may be concerned, I'll be dropping off the list for the next couple of days. I'm going home for the weekend and can't access my account from there. :P Oh well. I guess that means that I'll have a stuffed Inbox when I return... Oh and Mat, just so you know that your High Priestess is forever faithful... by posting this, I'm putting off the inevitable task of completing a biology lab that's due in one hour. :) Wouldn't want you to think that I'm shirking. ;) Did anyone ever notice that you seem to get your most work _just_ at the point when it will be most inconvenient for you to have to do it? I'm going home to attend a Bar Mitzvah which means that all of my weekend is booked with no room left for work! So, of course, who has two papers, a report, and a homepage+resume to do? Me! Grrrr....goshdarnit!...darn teachers...no respect...grumble....humf... ObMisty: Oh, do I have to? I guess I do... Oh gosh... Let's see... You never really hear about the trainees in Valdemar having to write reports. They always have plenty to study, but well - it's not the same thing! Do you think their teachers collaborate to make sure they don't get too much work? I should be so lucky... Flusteredly (is that a word?) yours, Renee, High Priestess of Procrastination "Let your mind be open, but let it not be so open that everything else falls out." - Rabbi J. Salkin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:31:55 -0500 From: Barbara Slater To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: (off-topic) Fluffy Question! Message-ID: (off-topic) Fluffy Question! Esmerelda wrote: Obmisty - oof, I dunno, I'm reading some contemporary stuff a the moment - not in the mood for fantasy. Read a sequel to Frances Hodgson Burnett's The Secret Garden (sequels being the in thing at the moment - I counted 9 Austen tie-ins in a book shop in the UK last weekend, including one that appeared to be all of Pride and Prejudice from Darcy's point of view). If you liked the Secret Garden, I thought this was a pretty good go at a 'what happens next' - veery sad, had me snivveling and dripping tears. Not very Mistyish that, lets try again. My question: There's a sequel to The Secret Garden? The only Burnett books I know about are The Secret Garden and A Little Princess...What other ones are there, and who's the sequel to what? Lani Hunter slaterb-+AT+-musc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Mic Markowicz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: "enedra"/MM&M/Pegasus books/mucho Godly stuff Message-ID: >Mat the Cat in Green wrote: > Yes, the Church of Procrastination is growing nicely, wouldn't you say? > Now if only the workers would actually get around to doing the renovations > to the temple....... Yes, that would be nice wouldn't it? Ah well, I suppose that's the price we pay for having extremely faithful followers as workers. :) > Hmmmm. Well, procrastinating in answering is in your favor. But > I can't very well have someone who admits to "Loving" the dreaded > PA as my Avatar (not with the number of times _I've_ been attacked by > tMIW!). And I wouldn't want to insult my High Priestesses by > putting someone over them. So, how would you like to be an Acolyte? > I don't have any of _those_ yet. An Acolyte! Now that sure sounds like fun! It's so nice to see that you consider our feelings in all of this! Its just so - nice - to know that your patron deity recognizes your efforts. :) >I think it's the fact that I'm probably the patron Deity of all College >Students. :) I know several friends who are faithful worshippers - some aren't even _in_ college yet! :) ObMisty: I have to do another one! Yipes... Did the Artificers ever study plant photosynthetic pigments and their absorption spectrums? Did any of them write a lab about it that I might borrow?.... Just kidding, I may procrastinate about it, but I always do my own work. The lab is calling... Must follow... Must follow... Renee, High Priestess of Procrastination "If the world were a logical place, men would ride side-saddle." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:33:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Macdonald To: Herald mailing list Subject: Mailing list Message-ID: For those of you who are interested there is now a weeks worth of this mailing list being stored online at http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/home/ism/lackey/mailinglist I have added some new features that allow you to go from one mail message to the next without having to go back to the index. Since this new version has only been working for a couple of days not all the articles have this option at the bottom of the page. The from links are also broken. In theory the articles should also be threaded but it hasn't been running long enougth for me to test. Ian -- < all of a sudden a whisper of sound occurs then the sound of a body hitting a keyboard. "Good thing we had darts", one of the white coated men said to the other as they dragged ian's body from the terminal.> < ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:35:49 EST5EDT From: "Stephanie " To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: fluff mostly Message-ID: <58E8E15D0B-+AT+-ed.concord.wvnet.edu> Mat: Thank you for your offer. Acolyte sounds like fun. I accept and am humbly waiting for a description of any duties I will need to perform. But really! Will someone PLEASE explain exactly what is so wrong about PA books??! If it wasn't for those books, I never would have considered reading Misty's books (or Anne's for that matter). Piers Anthony (Centaur Aisle to be exact) was my introduction to fantasy, and later sf. What is it that makes (almost) everybody here dislike him so much? I am very sorry that this is so short, but I must go and take my genetics test. And then, I'm going to the bookstore. My Di Tregarde _finally_ came in. Everybody have a good weekend! ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// When I get a little money, I buy books: and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -Erasmus ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:27:32 -0500 From: BudLor-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re:doodits/visualisation Message-ID: <961108122731_1249342928-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> regarding the WofT name pronunciation--Egwene--try "ee-gwane" regarding visualization--I "see" Harrison Ford" for Dirk. Lorraine But I'm not dead yet! MP/Holy Grail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jake To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: [long] Future Velgarth / Xanth / Music / !!! Message-ID: <199611081808.NAA12142-+AT+-mail.webspan.net> HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAAA!!!!! I'm finally CAUGHT UP with the thirteen or so digests. (All right. It's not 900. :P) So here's my wonderful contributions (no humor.. I used all my humor points in an email to Heather Alexander asking her for lyrics to Blackjack Lady since I couldn't make a word out.. which led to my .sig. Actual quote..) BOOK UPDATE: Well, for those of you who are curious, the book is being re-written still. *sigh* With full-time work and all, it's hard to find time.. I'm aiming for sending it out again before the new year. Well, the traditional new year. *grin* So you never know, folks! You may still see it! Just think about it--it gives you MORE time to save up money to purchase it! *grin* Although I think I'm going to go completely insane if I write one more paragraph about the Sand Faerie.. (Question to the writers on list: Do you people develop a background, and then a story? Meaning, making a complete setting, and then putting your characters in after it's all done? I have enough background written here to make a vulking roleplaying sourcebook.. is it just me?) (One more question, before we actually get into the message: Is there anyone out there onlist who can reccommend a good book for learning Gaelic? Irish is most preferred, but if there's a good one for Scots or Manx that's all right.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUBJECT: FUTURE VELGARTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mat wrote: >You know, I was thinking about what kind of Velgarth story I'd like >to see next (hold those coconuts -- not Windrider&Co!). I think >it would be nice if Misty did a future Velgarth story. Not a >futuristic story, just one that takes place a hundred or two years >later 'Ere's an idea: how about *grin* FAR-future Velgarth? Think, oh, 1000 years later. *shudder* I can see it now. Cyber-companions.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUBJECT: XANTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jaiook wrote: >>> One more question, well two, What types of music do all you people out there >>> like(Go Alanis!)? and does anyone here like Xanth? Kory replied: >To answer in reverse, no, we do not like Xanth.Xanth is evil, very very >evil. Xanth is bad. bad bad bad bad bad--okay, You know what I find absolutely hilarious? I was reading the author's notes in ISLE OF VIEW and he bascially thumbed his nose (or said "Um!" *weg*) at all of Xanth's detractors. The general gist of the message was "You say it's terrible? But it sells. So shut up. You're WRONG!! Ha ha haaaa!" I found it funnier than the book. *grin* No, I'm not a big Xanth fan at all (although 'Reesa will probably tell all of you that I'm a .. a closet Xanth reader. Just for the puns. Well, for the good puns, at least.) I liked OGRE, OGRE but some of the other ones, just didn't DO it for me. All right. I intensely dislike Xanth. But I still read it. :S Go figure. It's like how people stop at a car accident and look at it and go "how terrible! Ick!" when they could have just driven past.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUBJECT: MUSIC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kory wrote about music: >I'll stop...um..I like lotsa stuff: Let's see. Heather Alexander, No Doubt, .. aagh, let's break it into GENRE. It's easier. Filk, Celtic Rock, Celtic Folk, Ska (yes.. Ska.. forgive me), Progressive Rock (a la Rush, Yes, Magellan), Hard Rock (a la AC/DC)... *trails off as the list goes on and on.* Oh! Children's. DON'T forget Children's.. I've got Sesame Street and Animaniacs and.. *realizes what he's saying.* Well, well I WORK in a toy store.. My favorite performing groups/people have to be Rush and They Might Be Giants, and Heather Alexander. I'd have to say the only stuff I do NOT like is Country (*shudder* thank the One the country music station up here shut down!), House/R&B/Techno/Rap (Yes, I lump them all together even though they're not really alike), Jazz, and Light Rock (the marshmallow stuff they spoon into your ears that turns into Musak after a while.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUBJECT: !!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Melanie Harris (who is very, very cool) wrotE: >The "I Made It" rejoicing at the beginning of this message is due to the fact >that I have just finished reading EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ARCHIVES!!!!! ALL >NINE HUNDRED AND HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE NOW!!!!! This means that I understand >the usual acronyms and also know all about the sheep, how to use snipping and >braiding as a fire management strategy, "Magic's Purple Passion" and "The >Hitchhiker's Guide to Velgarth", not asking The Dreaded Savil/Sayvil >Question, *Opens eyes wide* Impressive. Most.. impressive. Welcome to the list, Melanie Harris! >and why we should NOT hijack a certain creation - or ANY creation - >of Jake's (who I worship, btw. We're Not Worthy). Pppbthththththt to anyone >who was hoping for an easy target! (Now watch while everyone tries to get me >anyway! ) Well, I hope you're worshipping ME, and not the creation. *grin* Or we'll just douse the very cool part in the beginning.. (just kidding). ShadowJaz, DON'T ASK. Don't ask about the creation thing. It's that long rant I posted about three months ago that kind of made people dislike me. Blessed Be, Jake Jake Adamo (rynath-+AT+-webspan.net) Bard Champion of the Ladies In Green / Heathen #070 "Who wants Mel Gibson when you can have Jake Adamo?" ~ 'Reesa "Hmmmm. I don't know, [he] must have a pretty "brave heart"! ;)" ~ Heather Alexander "*pout* Sure, sure...but he won't wear a kilt for me! *sob*" ~ 'Reesa Taking over the world... one Lego at a time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:24:06 -0500 From: "Emily L Cartier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: mucho Godly stuff/prayer Message-ID: <9611081826.AA12214-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu> Mat (speaking as God of Procrastination) said: >Nah, list reading is exempt from procrastination. Tis the way to >spread My Word, after all. No, list reading is a way of procrastinatiting and is one of the higher forms of worship (especially when procrastinating on term papers and essays)! All this discussion on prayer is tempting me to speak... I really don't know why Valdemarans are forbidden to pray for victory in war. I do know that I generally don't pray for a specific result when I pray. Catholics say that if you pray for patience, what you get is practice in being patient. In general that doesn't stop us from praying for things, but there is starting to be a trend towards praying where you put the whole situation that you need help with in God's hands. You basically end up saying, "This is the problem, here is what _I think_ the solution is, do as You please God." This tends to cut down on the praying for patience problem, but it gets a lot harder to tell whether or not God answered your prayer. I think that the law may be meant to prevent the praying for patience situation and it also acts as a sort of safety valve, preventing wars of religion. Emily the invisible PS All other November B-days, I'm working on the description of your presents and you can expect delivery soon (hopefully before Thanksgiving). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Mat the Cat in Green To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: godesses/Karsite/Ummm/list stuff/Procras stuff/PA Message-ID: > From: "Hth." > Who's to say > that Kal'enel doesn't have other aspects, like Astera or the Holderkin > goddesses whose names I forget, but one is a domestic goddess and the > other, I think, a horse goddess? I don't think that the Holderkin Goddess is ever named. All we know is that they have a dominant God and a submissive Goddess. The other Goddess you mean is the Rethwellan one, the Lady Trine. I forget the 3 aspects names (all start with A, IIRC). There's a maiden one, a motherly one, and a horse-tamer one. Guess which one Kero liked best. ============================================================================ > From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA (Woodlark) > Well, looking at deniz, who grew up in the Middle East, yadda-yadda, and > remembering the feel from Judith Tarr's (Golden Horn, etc.) books, I would say > they definitely have the same feel. Also, Arabic is an extremely harsh and > guttural language, nowadays. Koranic Arabic, on the other hand, is so > beautiful and liquid, it is *sung*! Can you imagine hearing prayers *sung* > from towers five times a day? *Sumptuous*! Hey, maybe this explains why, in BTS, Kero refers to Karsite as a beautiful, liquid languange, and in Storms, it's referred to as gutteral. > Yeah, deniz is getting pretty militant about that, isn't she? I think i'll > delete this message before she reads it so she doesn't throw a hissy. I need Hey Deniz? You in there? Thy God asks to know what "um" means. He uses it quite a lot, in fact. :) ============================================================================ > From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl > To postpone, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, subject blank and message > body > > SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL POSTPONE And to get back on, it's SET MERCEDES-LACKEY MAIL XXX where XXX is either ACK, NOACK, or DIGEST , depending on which you like. ========================================================================== > From: Stephanie > Thank you for your offer. Acolyte sounds like fun. I accept and > am humbly waiting for a description of any duties I will need to > perform. Oh, yeah. That. Ummmmmmmmmm. I've got it. Ask my High Priestesses. :) > But really! Will someone PLEASE explain exactly what is so wrong > about PA books??! If it wasn't for those books, I never would have > considered reading Misty's books (or Anne's for that matter). Piers > Anthony (Centaur Aisle to be exact) was my introduction to fantasy, > and later sf. What is it that makes (almost) everybody here dislike > him so much? For me, partly its that he has some books that I like, but he has so many that are just plain terrible. In fact, _Man from Mundania_ is one of the books that got me to switch from mostly sci-fi to mostly fantasy. I like his early Xanth books, and some isolated later ones. Most of Incarnations is great. I like Mode (did he ever do a book 4?). But most of his stuff just seems plain dumb to me. It's like extreme mindcandy. The kind that rots your brain instead of your teeth. And worse than any other author I've seen, he just doesn't know when to stop a series. Mat Cat Person, Champion in Green, |"I raised my head, my arms like Adept, God of Procrastination | lead, my heart ablaze once Heathen #???, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | more. The Faerie Queen looked mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu | down at me, shaken to the core." http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/ | - Heather Alexander/Phil Obermarck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:35:03 -0800 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Modern Times Message-ID: On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 Shadra said; > In the real world, I believe all of our modernization is as big a threat to >humanity as is a disease like AIDS. I couldn't wish a plague like that to >descend on some of my most loved characters. You know I can't help laughing a bit at seeing this comment on a computerized mailing list! The Irony is overwhelming. I'm afraid I must disagree with the idea that the modern world is awful and icky, the mideval world was much worse. On a personal level, I would have been dead at the age of 5 if I had been born before, oh 1945 or so. A little thing called a ruptured appendix almost most killed me back in '66. Put me in the Hospital for a month and, if not for broad spectrum antibiotics, I'd have died there. Almost did anyway. I come from a farm family in Ioway and actually listened to my older relatives when they talked about the "old days" (my grandparents were born in the 1880's & 90's) and I have no desire to go back to them!(neither did my grandparents & thier peers) **I Like Indoor Plumbing!!!!!** I like Central Heating!!! I like Railroads!! (ok those were around in the 1880's) People on the plain used to go nuts just listening to the wind howl, now they turn on Oprah and listen to the nuts howl! Also somebody, whose name escapes me, was saying how bad things are and how the world is being ruined-It's a better place than it was when I was born. (1961) Less polluted, not on the edge of WWIII anymore, more equality, more freedom. Not perfect, it **never** has been or will be, but it is much better. IMNSHO, of course. BTW, no flames intended here. OBMisty: UM... 8-{)# Where exactly does White Gryphon (the town) lie in relation to Valdemar and the rest of the mapped section of Velgrath? I have the impression from somewhere that it lies west of the Pelagirs somewhere? David Tiffany, Dorg of opyts. Prude, n. A bawd hiding behind the back of her demeanor. -Ambrose Bierce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:47:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: fluff mostly Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Stephanie wrote: > But really! Will someone PLEASE explain exactly what is so wrong > about PA books??! If it wasn't for those books, I never would have > considered reading Misty's books (or Anne's for that matter). Piers > Anthony (Centaur Aisle to be exact) was my introduction to fantasy, > and later sf. What is it that makes (almost) everybody here dislike > him so much? > Actually just no one claims to like him in obvious standings right now. Otherwise you'll be considered to have been overcome and brainwashed by the evil Men in White. If you haven't heard what the MIW are, talk to Gyr. he's the leader... even though he says he's not :) Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 14:24:45 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: prayer/doodit/visualizing/fluff/hmwrk/fluff/Xanth/Jake/TDC Message-ID: <199611081936.OAA16832-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Nina wrote: >Hm...sounds vaguely like Homer's _Iliad_, with the entire Pantheon of the >gods taking sides. My $.02 on this is that priests can't pray for a war >victory because that implies that they are praying for the death/demise of >their enemies. Somehow that doesn't fit with any type of priesthood I can >think of. Really? I can think of quite a few which wouldn't mind. If you've read the Bardic Voices books, you'll recognize the progression. First, you get people to realize the "undesired ones" are: evil, animals, or soulless. That usually gives you a license to kill. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Esmerelda proclaimed: >>A-ha! I thought it was only me that doodit'ed, whatsit'ed and thingummybobbed! Maybe it's catching?<< Yes, it's catching. I've started saying doodit with my 3-D friends, and boy did that surprise them. >>How well do people find they can visualise Misty's books?<< Actually, I have major problems visualizing the PoV character in any scene. I get a feel of aura from them, and see the scene happening as they would. Now, if they looked in a mirror, I would see them, even if they just glanced in, and I guess I just have a subconscious "feel" for how they feel they look, otherwise. Am I alone on this one? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Renee warned: >>For any who may be concerned, I'll be dropping off the list for the next couple of days. I'm going home for the weekend and can't access my account from there.<< Mine Sister, just don't forget to come help set up for Service. :) >>Do you think their teachers collaborate to make sure they don't get too much work? I should be so lucky...<< It wouldn't surprise me. The middle school I went to is one of those yuppie "progressive" type places, and the teachers would get together to make sure we never had more than a) two tests a day, b) two assignments a night, and c) three tests a week. It was awfully easy. Why? Because kids complained to their parents about homework, and that they couldn't go out and socialize until G*ds know when, and parents hold a lot of clout with the PTA. That's also the same reason why they stopped teaching us Arabic when I was in third grade. Ah, well. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Stephanie said: >> Thank you for your offer. Acolyte sounds like fun. I accept and am humbly waiting for a description of any duties I will need to perform.<< (sounds like thunder, why knock it?) We welcome you, oh newest Acolyte, to the fold with joyous arms and faces . May you always find fulfillment in the putting off of and subsequent frenzying finishing of your "things that must be done by a deadline" type activities. Mat, I ditto Renee. Thanks for thinking of us so much. Mine faith is reaffirmed in these Little Things (TM) that happen from day to day. >> But really! Will someone PLEASE explain exactly what is so wrong about PA books??! If it wasn't for those books, I never would have considered reading Misty's books (or Anne's for that matter). Piers Anthony (Centaur Aisle to be exact) was my introduction to fantasy, and later sf. What is it that makes (almost) everybody here dislike him so much?<< Well, the reason *I* dislike the Xanth books is because they feel like they were written for the audience, not the author. They're low quality puns put in print for the money. They're the kind of things that I would call "pulp fiction," read by people who also openly read bodice-rippers for enlightenment. I think they're OK for younger people (under 12), but they just don't jive as well once one hits maturity. IMOSHO. In my opinion, they're the kind of thing that "the truly dedicated Sci.Fi./Fan. reader" (yes, I know how snotty that sounds and am laughing with you at me) disregards as "fit for the masses" and not good enough for them. Truly, the quality isn't amazing after the first few books. His non-Xanth books, OTOH, are much better. I also like the... er... I can't remember what they're called, but they're good... ones about the different species and aura and aura transfer and space travel. Somebody help me out? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jake wrote: >>BOOK UPDATE:<< Book? What book? I feel like the newbie I forgot I was all over again. And you told *me* not to tease the newbies? Oh, by the way, welcome back from Lurkerdom (TM)! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% I got a note from the Physics teacher who taught me about waves: >>Well, it sounds interesting. I wouldn't be able to put it on top of my list of things to read, though (and I rarely get past the top of that list). If you could give me the thread of the argument in a message, or if you could refer me to a section or two of the books, I could give it a try.<< Suggestions, anyone? Gimme page numbers from the Hard Backs or textevd, please. love, deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |I was a brassbound Idealist in those days. of Procrastination and Holy |If you are an Idealist it does not matter Custodian of the B-Day List. |what you do or what goes on around you Confused? Write me! |because it isn't real anyway. dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA -- Robert Penn Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 14:36:53 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Unmitigated Fluff Message-ID: <199611081946.OAA18918-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote: >> From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA (Woodlark) >> Yeah, deniz is getting pretty militant about that, isn't she? I think i'll >> delete this message before she reads it so she doesn't throw a hissy. Wooooooddlaaaarrrrkkkk???? What did you say? MILITANT?!?!?!?!?! Ooooh, I'll get you for that tonight! Be scared. Be very scared. (did we ever decide where that comes from?) You better have a damned good bribe if you want me to forgive you. Sheep just won't cut it. >> From: Stephanie > >> Thank you for your offer. Acolyte sounds like fun. I accept and >> am humbly waiting for a description of any duties I will need to >> perform. > >Oh, yeah. That. Ummmmmmmmmm. I've got it. Ask my High Priestesses. :) Errr, (why are you rubbing it in?) Renee and I needs must conferr privately for a bit. We'll get back to you soon. love, deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |I was a brassbound Idealist in those days. of Procrastination and Holy |If you are an Idealist it does not matter Custodian of the B-Day List. |what you do or what goes on around you Confused? Write me! |because it isn't real anyway. dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA -- Robert Penn Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 14:51:45 -0500 From: JMACGMAC-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Environment complains/ ObMisty's Message-ID: <961108145144_1847979997-+AT+-emout03.mail.aol.com> First, I'd like to start my gripping (which I dont do often, so forgive me) about the enviroment. Hth made a comment about the mutant frogs, and we also had a comment about what a destroyed Lake Evendim would be like. I know what one is like. There is a real live one here in Syracuse, NY. Its the most polluted lake in the United States, the third most polluted in the world. Onondaga Lake is so toxic that the mutant fish that used to live there (3 eyed things with horns) have died off. Matter if fact, I was there for a fireworks show several years ago. A little girl fell in and gulped a little bit of the water. She was rushed to the hospital, had to take a special bath to try and save most of her skin, had to get her stomach pumped and she was still in Intensive care for a week! And what have they done about it? Not a Darn thing! Oh yea, they've "investigated" it, and have said for the past 10 years that they are going to try to clean it up, but havent come up with a way to do it. They said they need several million more dollars on research before they can come up with anything. Whats the worst thing about it? The main pollutant is raw sewage from the county sewage facility. And when everyone asked why they didnt upgrade the facility, do you know what the county said? It would cost too much. So now that you know the facts, how many people here vote for throwing the stupid politicians in the lake? I personally think we should. I happen to care about the environment, they obviously dont. Pork barrel politics at work! (Yes, the research place happens to be owned by several people on the council!) Sorry for gripping, but I had to get it out. Any environment students want to come visit? ----------------------- Nina wrote: ObMisty: in Storms, we're shown an in-depth look at the Blues and their progress/innovations in engineering. I was just wondering if Misty is deliberately moving Valdemar into a (pre-)industrial age, and if she is, how will this affect the Heraldic circle. I was thinking the same thing. Especially when Natoli was talking about steam engines and something remarkably like trains. I really hope Misty doesnt do this. Next would be cars, and the companions would be outdated. What would she do? Have the companions shape change into intelligent cars? Awful thought! ----------------------------- Scarlett wrote: -trust no-one. Read no-one means Government. (Another Gripping comment) Tell me about it. My hubby is one of those Gulf War Vets whose falling apart. I trusted the government with my husband's (and childrens!) lives, and I will NEVER do so again! I've never seen an institution that could lie and cover up so much! I would LOVE to get into their secret files! It would probably make X-files look tame! --------------------------- OK, no more complaining, On to more interesting things! EMILY THE INVISIBLE'S BIRTHDAY IS NOVEMBER 9th consider yourselves served. Happy Birthday Emily! My gift to you is a big hug, and as many cute fuzzy bunnies and beavers from my fields and fens that you would like to keep as pets! Enjoy! -------------------------- Jacquelle wrote: Do Companions ever have problems communicating with their Chosen, or others, who are from OutKingdom? Do they just get the ability to understand any language when they get reincarnated, or Grove-born? I think they might very well go into peoples minds and "catch" the language. Remember, its the heralds who cant do that, not the companions! (Though I might me wrong on this) ------------------------ Jaiook said: You mean someone's using a MAC???!!! Hey, I love my MAC! I dont have to remember all those DOS commands, and my son has a harder time re programming the thing! Mac's catch far fewer virus, so I don't have a high computer medical bill! I'll pass on the DOS stuff, give me a MAC any day! ------------------------ Wintershard, dear God of Crappy Weather, I lay at your feet a fine gift of Silver clouds and a bowl of beautiful hail diamonds for the wind you have blessed me with today! Such a wonderful wind it was, that blew down the tree that knocked out the power at my office, therefore giving me the night off (paid!). May your wind continue to blow and keep knocking down those trees! Ok, Thats it! Wind to thy Wings everyone! Julie (think I'm going to change that to Snowbird. What do ya think?) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 930 *********************************