MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 937

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Amazing Grace / COTN / Thought / Piers / Music
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
  2) Re: Priestess
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
  3) Re: Brvaes Fights Off The Threat Of Not Paying Attention To List
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
  4) Songs and stuff
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  5) ADMIN: FAQ part 1
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  6) remembrance
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  7) Firebird/LHM
	by Celia Marsh <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
  8) stuff
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
  9) Re: Companions
	by ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM
 10) Re: Companions
	by ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM
 11) Re: Priestess
	by ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM
 12) Re: B-Days/priestess/songs/?
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 13) Re: Karma (fwd)
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 14) MUD/rec.music.filk/names/visions/OS Wars/ HA/Star-eyed/tithing/parodies/LHM covers
	by Mat <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
 15) Re: Firebird/LHM covers
	by Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
 16) Heather Alexander/Firebird
	by Sean <herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu>
 17) Re: remembrance
	by Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
 18) Re: Priestess
	by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu>
 19) Re: Braid: Talia/Quote/DT movie/FireBird/favmusic/MAC/songs/country
	by DawnRain <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
 20) Re: Sword And Sorceress III/A Cloak!
	by Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
 21) Velgarth technology/EQ fluff/frat boys/Chosen
	by Jefferson or Rain <macstager-+AT+-earthlink.net>

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:19:40 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Amazing Grace / COTN / Thought / Piers / Music
Message-ID: <328735FC.6763-+AT+-javanet.com>

Kerry Mealing wrote:
  Psych studies show that most people speak around 500 words per
> minute, but think faster. Problem is, when you sub-vocalize (think in words),
> you 'hear' the words at the same rate you would have spoken them at - ie you
> slow your thinking, which is one of the reasons all of those intelligence/
> reading-speed improving things suggest that you don't sub-vocalize.

That's very interesting, and something I hadn't heard before. I am a 
speed reader, and I've found that, at least when I am reading, I somehow 
read phrases rather than a word at a time, and I do definitely form 
images as I go, but sometimes rather than visual images it will be 
"images" in some other sensory mode - touch,smell,taste,whatever. I 
guess images isnt the right word for those but I'm drawing a blank on 
waht would be more appropriate. Sometimes I subvocalize, sometimes I 
don't - but I have a rough time reading anything of length aloud to 
someone because my habits are so firm on this that I have to work at 
slowing down. I never realized this had been studied though! That gives 
me something to think about, thank you. Sorry that this seems to be off 
topic but.... it cuaght my attention and I put my two cents worth in. :)

 
> Heather wrote (re Piers Anthony):
> > I felt like the couple of Anthony books I read were gimmicky.  They
> > were, "See how clever I am?" It seemed to me that they were more about
> > the author's incredible wit than they were about the characters or the
> > story, and that bores me to death.  I like my humor *added* to a story,
> > not the only thing propping it up.

I have to agree on this - I have found that the first book of most of 
his series is decent, but goes downhill FAST from there because they 
seem to fall into a formula (especially Xanth) and just serve as a list 
of puns more than a story. I love puns - GOOD ones - but I am long since 
fed up with Xanth!
 
> Try: Of Man and Manta (I think that's the series - it's a serious novel
> about the interaction of different alien races. -True- aliens, with
> different thought patterns and mores and all the rest). His Tarot series
> were good in part (particularly the earlier ones regarding Melody of
> Mintarka - later ones tended to fall into the Piers-exploring-sex motif).
> Of his Incarnations of Immortality series, I can only say, read "Being a
> Green Mother" - the ending of that book was, awesome, misty-eyed-ly
> brilliant. Sandra mentioned Amazing Grace - this is one of the places
> where the true majesty of the song, a song of ultimate redemption and love
> of God, really hits home. Piers Xanth series may be trite, but don't write
> off the rest of his stuff as the same - when he puts his mind to it, the
> man can write.

I haven't read these.... maybe I should before ranting like I did above, 
hmm? Thanks for the tip - I am always looking for something new and 
GOOD to read.
 
Kit (who hopes she'll be excused for going into lecture mode!)

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:21:32 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Priestess
Message-ID: <3287366C.21B9-+AT+-javanet.com>

> OBmisty: If you could do so, would you become a Herald, knowing all that
> you do, about what it entails and the sacrifices you might have to make
> in the name of Valdemar?
> 
> Kat 
Yes, definitely. But I'm not so sure I would be chosen in the first 
place. :(

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:29:06 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Brvaes Fights Off The Threat Of Not Paying Attention To List
Message-ID: <32873832.7B25-+AT+-javanet.com>

Korendil wrote:
  
> >I think I've put enough fluff in here to warrant one of these--
> >ObMisty: What sort of recreational games can you see Misty's characters
> >getting involved in? Capture the flag with gryphons? <shudder>
> 
> Well, we have the gryphons doing that obstacle course in BG, and Van =
> and Tant sparring in MPrice...

And a great snowball war in the second Oath book, and another including 
the baby gryphons and Gwena in Winds of Change.
 
Kit

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:18:20 GMT
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: Songs and stuff
Message-ID: <199611111418.OAA02334-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

The Dog of Pytos said:

> On Cen's Music related to characters question, for some reason I can't
> explain when I think of Vanyel, I always seem to hear Queen's "Bohemian 
> Rhapsody" or "Mr Morton" from School House Rock.

Is _that_ what that's supposed to be? (I'm presuming we're talking here about
the song which has lines in it along the line of "Mr Morton is the subject of
my sentence, and what the predicate says, he does...") I tell you, that song
nearly had me in fits while I was out shopping on Saturday. I was in the middle
of a longish conversation about Babylon 5 (what else? :)) as we wandered into
the Warner Brothers shop, and that song was playing. Needless to say, I parsed
it as "Mr _Morden_ is the subject of my sentence" and got very confused indeed.
But I digress.

Re: the email from the morons .. ahem, students... at Cornell that someone had
received a copy of; that was originally doing the rounds .. hm, about a year
ago, I think. The students were disciplined, if I remember rightly they had
to do community service at a women's shelter.

ObMisty: Well, I didn't quite get around to reading any of the Misty stuff 
which is piled up awaiting me (it lost out to the _Complete Guide To 
Scriptwriting_, and was having to do battle with _Programming Perl_ for the
next place on the list, oh well)

Mel


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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:19:55 GMT
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: ADMIN: FAQ part 1
Message-ID: <199611111419.OAA02338-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

It's that time again, now that autumn's in the air...

Other admin note: could someone please send me an up-to-date copy of the 
FAQ for alt.books.m-lackey? The copy I have in the archive is rather out of
date, I suspect.


Mercedes Lackey Mailing List FAQ
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The release, however, is not valid for online fiction, only for printed 
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7. Who is the list owner, anyway?
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:22:56 GMT
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: remembrance
Message-ID: <199611111422.OAA02370-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Ailsa said:

> I've been wondering over the weekend, do the Heralds have anything like 
> Remembrance Sunday (yesterday) where they remember all those who have fallen 
> in battle with say, 2 minutes silence, or laying flowers at a memorial site?
> 
> Sort of on that topic, the Royal British Legion is trying to get people to 
> have a 2 min silence on Armistice Day (11th November) at 11am, as well as the 
> Sunday. I think they said it was to get "young people" to remember the 
> sacrifices our grandfathers/great-grandfathers made.
 
Sovven-night, isn't it? Van agrees to stand duty that night because that's when
the remembrance-service equivalent is going on, and he doesn't _want_ to
remember.

Mel (whose great-grandfather is mentioned on a memorial in a very, very quiet
Belgian cemetery)

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 10:42:52 EST
From: Celia Marsh <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Firebird/LHM
Message-ID: <199611111543.KAA27079-+AT+-hobbes.kzoo.edu>

	My bookstore downtown has Firebird for sale already.  I took a look
at it.  It doesn't look like a Misty book, at least from the blurb.  I
didn't try the first couple of pages though, so I can't tell definitively.  
	Who ever asked about the LHM covers, I'm assuming you mean the
second(?) set.  Of course I didn't realize until Saturday that there were 
two sets.  I've always picture the origninal covers, so I was very confused 
when people would discuss how people looked on the covers.  I think I liked
the originals better than the one I just saw(MPromise, I think.)  At least 
they didn't seem to have overly beautiful people on them.  What do y'all
think?   
				Love and kisses, Cele
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	May we kiss those we please and please those we kiss
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 Cecelia Ann Marsh			|"You've been reading 	     |
 Box 444 Hicks Center  			|too much meaning from	     |
 Kalamazoo MI 49006			|existence" 		     |
 E-mail: k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu		|			     |
 http://www.kzoo.edu/~k95cm02/		|	   -James _Lullaby_  |
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Date:          Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:01:17 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <A79C48325A-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

Yes, the Cornell thing did circulate about a year ago...I just got 
the same message from someone there.  
Ok...if you could visit Valdemar for an hour (or so), who would you 
go see, and what would you talk about?
Personally, I'd like to meet that Herald-Mage-Astronomer in Vanyel's 
time..I forget his name, but he wasone  of the first to die in 
MPrice.  He was really old, too, iirc.
Anyone else?
Jacquelle

Oh, very clever, Worf.  Eat any good books lately?
--Q

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:27:18 -0500 
From: ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Companions
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.11.11.11.27.18.2374877875.240450264-+AT+-ADF.COM>

ME>Jaquelle Wrote:

ME>> don't think she'd have to tell him about herself as a Companion.  Do
ME>> you suppose that Vanyel was given the option to come back as a
ME>> Companion and he just decided that he could best serve Valdemar in
ME>> the Forest?  Isn't there some textevd to go along those lines in one
ME>> way or another?  Of course, what would three people talk about for
ME>> all those hundreds of years up there alone?  Sheesh--that must get
ME>> pretty boring.

ME>	Yeah, there is and I'm not going to look it up currently, I'd
ME>have to find the book.  But, it is when Vanyel is talking to Stephen
ME>about not killing himself and going on an he'll be able to join Vanyel.
ME>Van says something about being given a few options when he died.

uh, somewhere in LHM i remember seeing Van talking to Yfandes about what
tack they are going to use, and the only thing that was worth using was
the parade/formal tack, and she got all excited, and he 'thought' he saw
an impression of a youngish woman superimposed over the sight of the
companion he knew and loved, because of that, i think Van may have had
an idea, or at least a suspicion about where the companions come from.

LadyRavn
LadyRavn-+AT+-adf.com



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:31:28 -0500 
From: ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Companions
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.11.11.11.31.28.2374877875.240450266-+AT+-ADF.COM>

ME>JAIME HATHAWAY wrote:
ME>>
ME>> I think since they've been in the Forest, well, I think once a Herald
ME>> dies s/he automatically figures out what their Companion really is,
ME>> either on the way to the Havens, or once they get there.  There's
ME>> nothing keeping them from seeing their Companions as they are, and I
ME>> don't think there's really any reason why a Herald who's died
ME>> should still be kept in the dark about Companions.

ME>Especially as some of them seem to come back AS companions - you'd
ME>think it would be hard to keep that secret then! <G>

Actually, Karal and his master whose name i can not remember the
spelling of at this moment discussed this possibility, and they more or
less decided that the companions do what they can to not let the Heralds
know, becasue it could cause all sorts of problems, like 'Why did my
lover come back as a horse?" and such. I believe this was in StWarning.


LadyRavn
LadyRavn-+AT+-adf.com



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:47:52 -0500 
From: ladyravn-+AT+-ADF.COM
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Priestess
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.11.11.11.47.52.2374877875.240450272-+AT+-ADF.COM>

ME>OBmisty: If you could do so, would you become a Herald, knowing all that
ME>you do, about what it entails and the sacrifices you might have to make
ME>in the name of Valdemar?

ME>Kat
ME>Priestess of Karma (happy, happy, joy, joy)
ME>"All the worlds a stage, it's just the casting which sucks."


Yes, i would.

LadyRavn
LadyRavn-+AT+-adf.com



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:48:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: B-Days/priestess/songs/?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961111114541.18324D-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Emily L Cartier wrote:

> Someone mentioned the (ack!) Garth Brooks version of "Shameless" for 
> a song. All I can say is save me from people murdering songs I like. 
> "Shameless" was never one of my favorite Billy Joel songs, but it 
> sounded a heck of a lot better before Garth got his greedy paws all 
> over it.

Er (see Deniz, I can be taught!), Don't you mean BJ got his greedy hands
on it?  After all, Garth wrote the song.  Billy Joel just happened to
perform it first.


> In my archival diggings, I found a thread on escapism that really 
> burned me. 

Oh no!  It is the Ghost of Threads Past!  This is what happens when people
start reading the Archives.  

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:05:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Karma (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961111115256.18324E-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

Eleonora applied for the position of Priestess of Karma.  So beautiful was
her application and so complimentary, that I was unable to resist her
entreaties and thus, I name her also to the ranks of My priesthood:

Que bueno.  Me gustara recibirte en mi servicio.  Tu eres, como Kat, mi
sacerdotisa, teniendo poderes sobre el destino de seres mortales.  En
reconocimiento de tu elevacion al grado de sacerdotisa, te dio una corona
de esmeraldas brillantes en montodura de oro.  En frente de la corona, hay
dos diamantes, el uno un diamante claro, el otro un diamante negro, atados
de un mobius de jade.  En ponerle, puedes ver el cargo karmico de
cualquiera persona.  Bien venidos a mi servicio.

For the non-Spanish speakers, know that this means:

It is good.  I am pleased to receive thee into my service.  Thou shalt be,
as Kat, My priestess holding powers over the destiny of mortals.  In
recognistion of thy elevation to the rank of priestess, I give thee a
crown of brilliant emeralds in a gold setting.  On the front of the crown,
there are two diamonds, one a white diamond, the other a black diamond,
bound by a mobius of jade.  In wearing it, thou canst see the karmic
burden of any person.  Welcome to My service.

To the list at large I say: "Behold these, My priestesses.  They are
available for Karmic readings every Monday and Wednesdays, matinees on
alternating Thursdays."

ObMisty:  Hmmm.  Well, lets see.  I found another song for the music
thread.  This is one for Stefen after Vanyel's death.  It is called "On
Nights Like This" and is by a hispanic artist, Soraya.  Again, if you are
interested in the words, please let me know.  

ObMoreMisty:  I can't remember from White Gryphon, but what kind of
deity/deities do the Heighlei worship?  Are they clearly different from
the Vkandis/Kal'enel dyad?  Or do they just assimilate perfectly and
provide more evidence that Misty is going for the God/Goddess pair as the
only deities?

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:19:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: MUD/rec.music.filk/names/visions/OS Wars/ HA/Star-eyed/tithing/parodies/LHM covers
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961111120013.23764B-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

> From: siobbhan-+AT+-ndak.net

> Out of Curiousity:  does anyone know if there are any MUDs out there 
> based on the Valdemar books?  I'd love to give one a try.

Sorry, but Misty-MUDs are a no-no.  Misty expressely forbids them, and
her lawyers are pretty strict about the copyright thing.

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> From: Carolyn Taylor <ctaylor-+AT+-bmi.net>

> There is a new newsgroup: rec.music.filk that seems related to some of our
> discussions. It's moderated and just starting up.

Well, it's not up on my site yet, but, AFAIK, it's not supposed to be
moderated.

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> From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>

> >regarding the WofT name pronunciation--Egwene--try "ee-gwane"
> 
> actually, iirc from the glossary, it's "eh-gewn-uh"....

I don't have any of the books with me, but IIRC, the glossaries have
it as eg-GWAIN.  I used to pronounce it EG-when, until I read
the glossaries.  Then again, I used to say Moiraine as more-ee-anne. <g>


> >"Who wants Mel Gibson when you can have Jake Adamo?" ~ 'Reesa
> >"Hmmmm. I don't know, [he] must have a pretty "brave heart"! ;)" ~ Heather
> >Alexander
> >"*pout*  Sure, sure...but he won't wear a kilt for me!  *sob*" ~ 'Reesa
> 
> y..yo...you talked to Her? Heather? 

I've gotten mail from her too. :)

> I always mess up on what they look like...for example, I always =
> thought Kris was BLONDE!

Me too.  For the longest time, all my visions of Kris were with
blond hair, and Dirk with brown.  Regardless of all the descriptions of
them. :)

> >Hey, I love my MAC!
> 
> hey, I agree...but..jaiook...julie...do NOT argue about this unless =
> you want to join the Drifting Ashes CLub...I almost did...ages ago now

Yup.  Do the right thing.  Say NO to OS wars on the Mistylist.

> >Of course, I didn't think the Shin'a'in were Mongolian, either, so maybe
> >I'm just a freak.
> 
> mongolian? why don't I remember this thread?

Maybe because you tend to stop reading for a month or two
and then go on a deletion frenzy? :)


=============================================================================
> From: Kerry Mealing <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>

> OOOh. Mat! That could well be why the Tayledras don't have Shamans -
> effectively they're a people in exile from their Goddess - they're still
> her people, but they're outside her domain. She gave them the great gift
> of Heartstones, but can't directly interfere where they are (except through
> her Avatars or the intervention of the Shin'a'in Shaman). Even if they
> -could- have Shaman, it would look as if the Star-Eyed were trying to
> spread her influence which would jeopardize the treaty where each of the
> Gods limited their power..

Hmmm.  Good idea Kerry.  And remember Treyvan's comments about Kal'enel's
relationship with the White Gryphoners? Something like, "We worship Her
too, but She doesn't meddle in our lives nearly as much as She does
in yours."   So, the Shin'a'in get the most interaction, the Tayledras
a bit less, with increased distance, and the Kaled'a'in k'Leyhsa 
get even less with their extreme difference (after all, it took them
ten years to get to WG by foot (taking into account the Mage Storms)).


============================================================================
> From: D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
> 
> Well WE would like to point out that while Mat gets all the Priestess,
> Prophetess (mad), and Acolyte action, **WE** get more tithes than 
> any other deity on the list!!!!!<-(uh Huh) Heck WE even tithe to  
> OOURSELVES!!!!! 8-{)#

But of course.  I think that We are Our own best worshiper. <g>
But if you get the most tithes, We get the second most. :)

> On Cen's Music related to characters question, for some reason I can't
> explain when I think of Vanyel, I always seem to hear Queen's "Bohemian 
> Rhapsody" or "Mr Morton" from School House Rock.

Maybe because of Jake's "Tylendel's Rhapsody" and "The Tale of Mister
Vanyel"?  <g>

=============================================================================
> From: Celia Marsh <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>

> 	Who ever asked about the LHM covers, I'm assuming you mean the
> second(?) set.  Of course I didn't realize until Saturday that there were 
> two sets.  I've always picture the origninal covers, so I was very confused 
> when people would discuss how people looked on the covers.  I think I liked
> the originals better than the one I just saw(MPromise, I think.)  At least 
> they didn't seem to have overly beautiful people on them.  What do y'all
> think?   

What other covers are you talking about?  The only alternate covers
that I know of for LHM that the originals have silver embossed stuff,
and the newer ones don't.  Are they European versions?

Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"Before she thinks to run or stay,
Adept, God of Procrastination      | his body blurs like softened
Heathen #???, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | clay.  Before her eyes, to her 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | surprise, a leopard in his place!"
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  |  "Golden Eyes" -- Misty



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:47:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Firebird/LHM covers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961111124504.18115B-100000-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>

There are more than one version of the cover for LHM?????!!??
Hmm, I think I have the "origional" version.  It is the painting by
Jody Lee.  I happen to like Jody Lee's cover for the  most part.
I especially like the LHM covers.  Do you have perhaps the Sc-Fi book Club
3-in-1 edition? sometimes they put different covers on those... 

-Vrondi a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean, a.k.a Free Bard Oriole.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"To light a candle is to cast a shadow..."
-"A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula K. LeGuin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic


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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:50:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Sean <herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Heather Alexander/Firebird
Message-ID: <199611111750.JAA01487-+AT+-popserver4.Stanford.EDU>


>> >"Who wants Mel Gibson when you can have Jake Adamo?" ~ 'Reesa
>> >"Hmmmm. I don't know, [he] must have a pretty "brave heart"! ;)" ~ Heather
>> >Alexander
>> >"*pout*  Sure, sure...but he won't wear a kilt for me!  *sob*" ~ 'Reesa
>> 
>> y..yo...you talked to Her? Heather? 
>
>I've gotten mail from her too. :)
>
I've talked to her in person several times...she performs in Palo Alto once
a month.  I'm going to see her again on December 6! :-)

I see some people ( I don't remember who right now)  have gotten Firebird
already.  How is it?  Is it worth buying in hardcover.  I'm poor right now
but I'll buy it if it is good.

Anyway, I just wanted to brag about Heather Alexander...so I'd better get
back to work!

Sean 
herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu
"I am the creature of the wood, forsaken in my solitude.  My song is
pleasure and is pain, my song can drive a man insane.  So come with me my
pipes I'll play and we will dance to break of day."

Creature of the Wood-Heather Alexander-Life's Flame



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:54:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: remembrance
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961111124842.18115C-100000-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote:
> Ailsa said:
> > > I've been wondering over the weekend, do the Heralds have anything like 
> >Remembrance Sunday (yesterday) where they remember all those who have fallen 
> >in battle with say, 2 minutes silence, or laying flowers at a memorial site?
>Sovven-night, isn't it? Van agrees to stand duty that night because that's when
>the remembrance-service equivalent is going on, and he doesn't _want_ to
>remember. 
> Mel (whose great-grandfather is mentioned on a memorial in a very, very quiet
> Belgian cemetery)

In America we have Veterans Day.  That's today.  Sovvan night does seem to
me a combination of Veterans' Day and Memorial Day.(that's when we
remember everyone else)

-Vrondi a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean, a.k.a Free Bard Oriole.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"To light a candle is to cast a shadow..."
-"A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula K. LeGuin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic



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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:04:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Priestess
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92.961111100119.26421A-100000-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu>

The Priestess of Karma wrote:

> OBmisty: If you could do so, would you become a Herald, knowing all that
> you do, about what it entails and the sacrifices you might have to make
> in the name of Valdemar?

Nope.  The thought of battle just...bothers me somehow-- but not as much
as having to make a judgement at a trial.  I'd rather be a Healer--
y'know, quiet, helpful, but domineering when necessary.

--Lee-- 97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu -- www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/
"What time is it?" --Dekker, P.


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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:07:16 -0700
From: DawnRain <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: Talia/Quote/DT movie/FireBird/favmusic/MAC/songs/country
Message-ID: <32876B54.4549-+AT+-geocities.com>

Kat wrote:
>         True.  I think he would have been an interesting teen.
> Developing powers and angst...  Oooohhh.. I shudder to think opf the
> combination.

That, and meeting Cinthliss, and Fox.  Perhaps it would be nice to learn
a bit more about his family, and how they reacted to him.  Although they
don't know of his gift and such, there were no doubt conflicts and
questions in there.  It always intrigues me every time I read either the
Di book or the ones about Tannim himself.

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:26:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sword And Sorceress III/A Cloak!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961111132115.18224B-100000-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>

HAHAHAHAQH! I got S&SIII  yay! "Sword Sworn" is sooo excellent! People, if
you don't have this it is definitely worth scrounging the used bookstores
for!  
I just haft's tell youall this!  My mother and I found a pettern(as in
sewing) for a Kinsale cloak from Irelan.  This company goes and researches
the time periods of their costumes and makes them as authentic as
possible. even down to suggesting what colours/types of fabric would have
been used.  Well, It's been sitting in the closet for a couple of
years,but it looks as though I might get the finished product for
Christmas! Yay! 
(sorry for the fluff, but I hadda share.First good mood for a while)
-Vrondi a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean, a.k.a Free Bard Oriole.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"To light a candle is to cast a shadow..."
-"A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula K. LeGuin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic


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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:55:33 -0800
From: Jefferson or Rain <macstager-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Velgarth technology/EQ fluff/frat boys/Chosen
Message-ID: <3286B1C5.71B7-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Emily the Invisible said:

>>I guess I'll just have to start a conversation. In the archives it 
seems that everyone thinks that Valdemar has renaissance level 
technology.  And with all the SCAdians, I would've thought you'd have
caught it for sure. Two words. Karal's pens.
He's Ulrich's secretary right? And he writes with a dip pen, right? 
But his pens from Karse were metal, right? I don't have 
my caligraphy books here at college with me, but IIRC, metal pens 
didn't happen til Round Hand was cool (late 1800's).<<

Y'know, being somewhat of a calligraphy nut myself as well as a
SCAdian/Faire-junkie, I had picked up on that.  But I reasoned it out
sortof like this: While Velgarth technology may parallel our own in some
ways - it *is* a different world so it follows that it wouldn't parallel
it completely.  At some point, in SW, someone makes the comment that the
ecological impact of steam boilers, coal mining, railroads, etc might
not be such a hot concept.  I forget who, and couldn't find the page. 
They've got indoor plumbing, their metals technology seems fairly well
advanced - advanced enough for some intrepid artificer to invent pen
nibs? It could very well be that, the ecological cost of some
technologies has kept them at a slightly lower level, but not in every
area. IMHO, that is.  Anybody?  Also, just a thought, but on our world,
the Church tended to burn folks like artificers - any original thinkers.
Obviously, most of Velgarth doesn't have that issue to contend with,
causing their technology to evolve differently.

Mel the Redcap said:
>><g> Being the pedantic EQ fan that I am,<<

I have to say hi, I am a huge EQ fan as well.  Have you checked out
Elfquest.com?  Very cool site! :-)

Jacquelle said:
>>I just don't get it.  I don't WANT to get it.  What kind of person 
would advocate rape?<<

It never ceases to amaze me that sick little frat boys like this exist,
and manage to find women willing to procreate with them after
graduation.  Don't try to get it - these guys are sick, power-hungry
wastes of sperm and painful hours in labor.  Look at the rape trial
happening right now with Alex Kelly.  The guy is probably going to get
away with it, after 10 years of R&R in Europe.  The only way women will
ever change this is to find power-within to challenge the whole
power-over mindset.  Starhawk talks about this in _Spiral Dance_ a bit,
we must take action whenever something like this happens.  Don't let
them get away with it.

Kat, Priestess of Karma said:
>>OBmisty: If you could do so, would you become a Herald, knowing all that you do, about what it entails and the sacrifices you might have to make
in the name of Valdemar?>>

Absolutely yes, although I doubt I'd get Chosen.  I am a fairly
dedicated Healer, in life and in my fantasy life.  I think I'd end up
Serving just as faithfully, but in Healer's Greens, not Whites! :-)  

Here's a question:
If someone started circulating an anti-woman list like that around the 3
Collegiums, how do you think the individual Heralds and characters in
ML's books would deal with the miscreants?

WTTW,

rainwood
<macstager-+AT+-earthlink.net>

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