MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 942

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Reply to: Songs/
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
  2) Quick catch up
	by GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu
  3) Re: SCA-fluff
	by Kat <n9546529-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>
  4) Re:songs/companions/invisiblity
	by Kat <n9546529-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>
  5) Loose Ends 
	by Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
  6) kris' hair/LHM covers/would I be a Herald
	by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
  7) Worship / Piers / Gaelic / Book
	by Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
  8) Naming of an Acolyte/Hatred/Firebird
	by Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
  9) Vanyel and Stefen
	by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
 10) Visulization/Altra?/Samhain/Les Mis
	by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
 11) Long Braid:Parodies/Covers/EQ/PoV/Misogynists(don't delete! Not hateful!)
	by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
 12) Re: cover art
	by Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
 13) Re: SCA-fluff
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
 14) Becoming a Herald
	by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu>
 15) Re: SCA-fluff
	by Paradox <praxis-+AT+-uclink4.berkeley.edu>
 16) Re: SCA-fluff/Heather/Misty's Music
	by Jefferson or Rain <macstager-+AT+-earthlink.net>
 17) mostly fluff w/ a little night music
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu>
 18) Re: Vanyel and Stefen
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
 19) Re: Vanyel and Stefen
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:41:04 -0500
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Reply to: Songs/
Message-ID: <199611121541_MC1-BDB-CEDB-+AT+-compuserve.com>


Another one <g>

"Damn, I wish I was your lover" <sophie b. hawkins> Talia and Dirk during
   their big mess of a relationship

"I feel good" <james brown> younger skif (purses in the courtyard)

There's a sting song - I think it's called "Moon over Bourbon Street" - 
  ANDRE!!!! (the song was inspired by Anne Rice's books <says so on the cd
  jacket thingy>)

Firemist

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:52:25 -0600 (CST)
From: GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu
To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK
Subject: Quick catch up
Message-ID: <961112145225.22b73e45-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu>

WARNING: Outdated stereotyping could be offensive to some.

I think, (IMHO), that people see Kris as blonde is because he acts
stereotypically blonde...Vain, self-centered, slightly naive and
gullible (think the chicken scene), he can't believe it if everyone
isn't enthralled by him...The Media pushes this as dumb-blonde
attitudes...so, voila'..Kris must be blonde.


(No, I don't think blondes are all this way)

Okay, safe ground again...

Oh, Jake, mightiest of the pun, uh, pen..I would humbly wish to lay
before you *weg* my petition to become your temporary High Priestess
while I'm waiting for Lady Thess to return to approve mine own
Dietification as Goddess of Elves, Advice and all things Equine...
Untill then, and perhaps even after, for who would not wish to
number an recently elevated diety among the number of their
followers, I feel I could fulfill the position admirably..and to
ease your burdens, I could take care of all the humor involving
Peirs Anthony, so that your mind would be freed for nobler
parodies and such.  I am also a confirmed list junkie.. I await
you pleasure.


RE: Dixon art..I too, think the work is beautiful, but didn't
think it fit  the characters.

Dax the Eternal, Lady of the Unicorns
"..Irresponsibility does not pay. Life is the unknown and the unknowable,
except that we are put into this world to eat, to stay alive as long as
we possibly can...Who is more responsible that a gull who find and follows
a meaning, a higher purpose for life?..Now we have a reason to live-to
learn, to discover, to be free!...and with one accord, they solemnly
closed thier ears and truned their backs upon him."-Jonathon Livinstone
Seagull.

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:07:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Kat <n9546529-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SCA-fluff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.961112130440.15012D-100000-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>

> I believe there are actually 13 currently
> 1) West
> 2) East
> 3) Middle
> 4) Atenveldt
> 5) Meridies
> 6) Caid
> 7) Antlantia
> 8) Ansteorra
> 9) An Tir
> 10) Calontir
> 11) Trimaris
> 12) Outlands
> 13)  I can't for the life of me remember what this one is.  
> 
	I wish I could help you.  I can see the map in my head, but the 
names aren't coming to me at all.  What is the name for the Kingdom in  
Europe?  Is that on there?  

Kat
The Priestess of Karma
aka
Trooper Kathryn McKenna
of Graham's Sable Scallops Second Division 
of the Barony of DragonsLaire
of the Kingdom of An Tir  

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:00:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Kat <n9546529-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:songs/companions/invisiblity
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.961112125651.15012B-100000-+AT+-animal.cc.wwu.edu>

> English versions). Unfortunately every single soprano under 
> twenty-five with a decent (or even indecent) lower extension does 
> "On My Own" as a solo piece. And all the altos with even a prayer of 
> hitting the C above middle C do it too. Blech! That's why when I do 
> music from Les Mis I do it in French... I kind of like "Dans la Vie" 
> (the whole sequence) for any scene where two halves of a life-bonded 
> couple meet for the first time. Anyone else know it in French (cause 
> the English version is utter dreck)?  
	I have the original French release CD.  I don't KNOW it, but I 
listne to is and am working on it.  It takes awhile and my French is very 
rusty and wasn't tht great to being with.

> On being a Herald, my answer is NEVER!!!!!<--count em
> I wouldn't mind being a Bard (much), and I'd really like being a 
> Blue. And when I was little I wanted ESP, and now that I have a bit 
> (I can tell when a storm is coming w/out benefit of meteorologist or 
> arthritis) I have decided that any more would drive me insane. I 
> wouldn't mind as much if ESP was useful for something (what's the 
> point of weathersense if you don't go camping or sailing really?), 
> but it seems pretty silly.
	I understand that part, belive me I understand, but I have such a 
...  code already towards my friends and people I love, I don't think it 
would be too difficult to extend it further.  I don't think I'd get 
Chosen though.  ;(  

Kat
Priestess of Karma

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:10:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Nicole Dubuc <nicole.dubuc-+AT+-yale.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Loose Ends 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961112160922.24807A-100000-+AT+-minerva.cis.yale.edu>

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Firemist wrote:

> 
> ke'leecha was wondering about interspecies bonding in misty books
> 
> one title : THE EAGLE AND THE NIGHTENGALE<sp?>!!!!
> 
> s
> p
> o
> i
> l
> e
> r
> 
> s
> p
> a
> c
> e
> 
> you know, where Nightengale and T'fyrr get together. . . . .
> 
> Firemist
> 
Yep, granted, but I wanted to know about other species than humans
bonding.  Nightengale is human, right?  And T'fyrr is kinda human, he
makes that comment that everyone thinks he's as sexless as a hawk or
something, but he is compatible with humans.  In this respect, Fire Rose
doesn't count either, because Rose is human and Jason is half-human
(again, compatibility) where it counts.  So, for now, I'll assume that
I wont be seeing any hertasi and tervardi (spelling?) lifebonding. 

B
Y
E

B
Y
E

S
P
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I
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E
R
SPOILER OVER NO MORE SPOILER ALL GONE YEP ITS HISTORY NO MORE SPOLING HERE

Emily, didn't mean to insult you with the anti-calculus comment.  I guess
I'm a little tired after taking three years of that subject, and besides,
I am aspiring to be the goddess of those who hate calculus, so I can't
resist a jibe now and then.  And yes, I do appreciate my pretty computer
toy, but I also appreciate not having to use revolutional solids in my
everyday life.  


When and if I am promoted to full goddess glory, I would like to establish
ForeverPsi to be my high priest.  He knows the true glory of Diet Coke,
and sufficiently loathes impossible integrals.  So, I'm saving the thunder
and orchestration (John Williams conducting of course!) until I am truly a
goddess.  Thank you, O reverer of the soft drink held sacred!

Well, I gotta jump off the list for awhile.  Midterms are dictating my
schedule from now on, and my art work has been getting neglected.  I've
had messages piling up that I haven't done justice to, so, I'll talk to
you guys at Thanksgiving break.  (After sleeping for 48 hours!!)

May you have a pack and yet still know when to run alone,  Ke'leecha
___________________________________________________________________________
Perhaps the Goddess of Diet Coke, Gryphons, and Those Who hate Calculus...
"I have animal magnetism.  When I go outside, squirrels stick to my
clothes."-Anon
               
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   __(o ^ \ \    ^----------------                 
  ( ___ ^ \ \   ^---------------   
       ////  | ^ ------------  
      ///     ^-----------____
      (    \               __ \
       \           \      |  \ \
       /  /_       /\    /    \ \                 
      /  /  \\\\\\\  \  \      \ \         
     /  /             \  \      \\\ 
  ^~~               ^~~~         \\\
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:40:29 -0600
From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: kris' hair/LHM covers/would I be a Herald
Message-ID: <v01510101aeae540cb684-+AT+-[207.43.170.60]>


I have never had any trouble seeing Kris as black-haired, I guess because
Misty said he was, and I rarely miss details like that.  But as to the
angelic thing....my taste definatly runs to dark men;);), and Kris with
black hair would definatly be angelic!!  (And those *eyes...*.  Eyes and
hands.  If he had big, strong, graceful hands too.....)

Matt, I have original editions of LHM, and they have embossed covers  and
foil on the covers ; they are kind of falling apart after so many reads
(and I am *careful* with my books) and I can see the silver.....  I am
about to replace them because it hurts me to see them in such sad
condition, but I think I may keep the old ones because they are original.
These are the only covers I've ever seen.

As to being a Herald: I am perfectly happy being what I am, a Shin'a'in
horse healer.  I have duties and my Goddess that are far more binding.  The
most attractive part of being a Herald for many of us is the love and
closeness of the Circle, but I have that already in my Clan.  And the
horses......and I wouldn't have the dilemma of war and killing, which goes
entirely against my nature.  I can take care of myself and the children
perfectly well, and in certain very unlikely circumstances,all defensive, I
could kill, but *I* would need a Healer after, and not for my physical
self.

I agree with what others have said though, that what sets one apart to be
Chosen is the capability to *become* the kind of person who puts everything
ahead of their own good.  (I could do this, I think, in limited
circumstances).

                                        Go Gently,

                                                Tresta

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Tresta shena Jor'ethan                          "Love must live free."
Healer to horses                                        -Shin'a'in Teaching

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"To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us."

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:25:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Jake <rynath-+AT+-webspan.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Worship / Piers / Gaelic / Book
Message-ID: <199611122225.RAA12269-+AT+-mail.webspan.net>

A statute of limitations on posts! *grin* Interesting idea, Heather... I
could sure use it.

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SUBJECT: Worship
----------------
*grin* All righty.  I don't really believe a diety can be high cleric of
another diety, for power reasons.  So sorry, all.  Lee (97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu),
your petition is being reviewed.  (read that as: I'm on DIGEST and I *did*
see your post.. but .. but I just got off a 12 hour shift and I'm not really
feeling creative (stacking toys for 12 hours will do that to you). )

----------------
SUBJECT: Piers
----------------

All right, Deniz. Are you telling me that I *shouldn't* take other people's
opinons on work as part of my decision?  Isn't that how you find out who is
good to read?  Or do you randomly grab a book off the SF/F shelf, hoping
it's good? (I've done that, when I was desperate [for something to read.])
A lot of the fantasy I read has either been reccommended -- hey, that's how
I got to read Misty for the first time (humble homage to Stormcloud,
wherever she is) -- or something I just picked up on a whim.  Unfortunately,
it seems that I have bad luck at choosing authors I don't know about -- I
almost always get something that is terrible.  And who wants to invest time
in a book which is going to be bad?  I've only had to stop reading one book
because of that (THE HACKER AND THE ANTS (can't remember the author)) but
still.  That's time better spent reading something else!

:P People are NOT making my reading decisions for me, dearie. 

---------------
SUBJECT: Gaelic
---------------

Big thanks to those who helped me out.  Next week I'll prolly run to the
bookstore and pick up one or two books people have named for me. 

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SUBJECT: Book
--------------

Someone (Shadowjaz?) asked if she can read my book.  Text preferred. *grin* 

Thanks, but it's novel length, and I'm not showing it to ANYONE until it's
out.  Under wraps... the less people that see the actual text, the better.
At least online...

Hugs not Bugs,

-=-*-=- Jake -=-*-=-



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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:32:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Lynne Markova <lynne-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Naming of an Acolyte/Hatred/Firebird
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.94.961112121620.20403A-100000-+AT+-seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>

Lady Sophia shuts off "Peer Gynt's Suite" and replies:

No, no, Lord Jeff (or Lord AmpliFireCat), the Goddess of Music and Song
was not ignoring you - She had not yet received your request.  Therefore,
with the approval of my High Priestess, you are appointed as Acolyte of
the Goddess of Music and Song.  In recognition of your services, the
Goddess of Music and Song gifts you with a silver-inlaid, ebony guitar,
and a magical datebook, which has the added benefit of adding three hours
to every day, in order to practice.  (These datebooks are available to
others, upon tithe ;-)).  

Your duties will include maintaining the Celestial Musical Instrument
Collection, assisting your fellow Acolytes with the discography, and
assisting the Goddess of Music and Song with current musical events.

BTW, Lady Woodlark, any NEWS on your solo?  (The Goddess of Music and Song
prays to Herself, very, very hard!)  

The Goddess of Music and Song is very sad today, as she was not cast in
yet another production of "The Magic Flute."  Sniffle.

RE:  Hate Organizations
I agree with Lady Heather, re. these people are really grieving over the
loss of the power and prestige that their fathers and grandfathers took
for granted.  At the same time, I really would talk to someone in the
administration of your campus - these things can create an incredibly
negative effect.  Civil discourse is one thing, but sheer hatred is
another.  Would they allow a bunch of white supremacists to do the same
thing?

RE:  Firebird
I spotted a copy of this in Powell's books last Saturday, but have not
read it yet - I'm waiting for it to arrive at the library.  Beautiful
cover, though.

Bright Blessings, everyone (and congrats to Lady Mishi for being in love)

Lady Sophia, Goddess of Music and Song
(not trilling today :-( )



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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:45:23 -0600
From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Vanyel and Stefen
Message-ID: <v01510100aeae66fc4266-+AT+-[207.43.170.54]>


Forgive me, but I have just had a naughty thought.  Are Vanyel and Stefen
still able to be, er, together in the Forest of Sorrows?
<duck and run for the field, but I really *do* want to know what you all
think.  Braces herself...>

Stef really is beautiful.  I love all of Jody Lee's covers, and the tiny
picture of him in the top right corner is the best.

                                       Go Gently,

                                           Tresta

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Tresta shena Jor'ethan                          "Love must live free."
Healer to horses                                        -Shin'a'in Teaching

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"To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us."

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:04:40 -0500
From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Visulization/Altra?/Samhain/Les Mis
Message-ID: <961112180439_1350635908-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com>

Susan asked Jake:
<< Fascinating!! Do you *see* music as well?  >>
  Well,  I'm not Jake,  but I do see music!  Music that doesn't have words
that is.  I play the piano,  and several times I've found that I'm *seeing* a
part of it.  Examples..I was playing a song...and I could just see someone
sneeking up on someone else,  getting ready to surprise them.  Um,  what
else?  Oh,  one of the classical pieces I'm doing,  part always reminds me of
a market,  and various tradaers arguing.  That's all I remember now,  but I
know there's at least one more...

Cennydd asked:
>>If you really want to talk about a weird mix-up, am I the only one who
can*not* think of Altra as male/masculine?  No matter how many little
reminders the text provides, Altra remains obdurately female in my mind.<< 
No you are not!  I can not get the idea of him being male into my head.  Kris
and Dirk I had no trouble with.  Kris had dark hair,  Dirk's is "straw
colored."  Altra drives me crazy though.  Perhaps it's the name?  I know that
in Spanish,  almost all the feminine words end with an a,  and masculine ones
end with o.  Maybe that's what's throwing us off?

This came up a while ago here,  and I know someone here knows the answer.
 How do you pronounce Samhain?  It was on X-Files the other night,  and I'm
pretty certain it's not pronounced like it sounds.  Anyone see that one?
 <shudder>

Emily the invisible wrote:
>>Unfortunately every single soprano under 
twenty-five with a decent (or even indecent) lower extension does 
"On My Own" as a solo piece. And all the altos with even a prayer of 
hitting the C above middle C do it too. <<
   Actually,  we did it in our school musical when I was in seventh grade.
 We did a great version,  with three parts.  We had 2 soprano ones,  two 2nd
sopranos,  and 2 altos.  I was one of the altos.  =)  We're also doing
*another* version of it in chorous this year.  I love _I Dreamed a Dream._
 It's a nice alto piece.

Lady Silvermoon
LIG,  Leader of the DDMF,  Goddess of Sensitivity
"i'd die in your arms
if you were dead too
here comes a lie
we will always be true."  _Little Things_  Bush

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:22:03 -0500
From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Long Braid:Parodies/Covers/EQ/PoV/Misogynists(don't delete! Not hateful!)
Message-ID: <961112172203_1915746180-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 96-11-11 12:46:45 EST, Mat wrote:

> Maybe because of Jake's "Tylendel's Rhapsody" and "The Tale of Mister
>  Vanyel"?  <g>
>  

Wait a minute, how I can find those? And, please, please don't tell me to
look in the archives <pleading look>. 

=============================================================
Celia wrote:

> Who ever asked about the LHM covers, I'm assuming you mean the
> second(?) set.

Second set? I didn't know there was more than one, and by the way, Cele, I
was the one who asked, and I've only seen one set, which I *liked*. This
particular set, probably the original, has Van drawn pretty much the way I
see him.

=============================================================
Rainwood wrote:

> I have to say hi, I am a huge EQ fan as well.  Have you checked out
> Elfquest.com?  Very cool site! :-)

I love Elfquest, but I didn't know bout that, though I should, practically
everyone has a web site now. Can you send me the address, private e-mail,
don't want to clog the list with more fluff than necessary <g>. You can
e-mail me at : ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com.

=============================================================

I have to add some more to the PoV, imagining characters discussion. I've
said I don't have trouble imagining them, but really for me it's almost as if
I *have* to have a mental image of the character, plus scenes, other
characters. etc. I have this need to visualize everything, and I've been
doing that for so long that it isn't a problem. Though, I must admit, Misty's
description has made it extremely difficult to imagine Dirk, I just can't see
him as she describes him, she should have been more general, and left
specifics up to the reader, IMHO, of course <g>. Oh, and PoV, for me seems to
be from first person, however I always have an image of that character as
well, I guess it's more like a movie scene actually, like I'm there and
watching, but invisible.

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> Kit (who could come up with some creatively vicious punishments to fit
> the crime...)

<grin> Moi aussi, (french for me too, sorry guys but I tend to think in
French from time to time, but don't worry, I shall make sure to translate
what I say. :)) I could think of some truly viscious one's as well,
particulary a certain truly appropriate one for rapists, but  . . . I don't
think there's really a need to say it, might offend the more sensitive
listmembers, you know. :)

Ooops, just read an objection to the reactions, so I'd better post a
disclaimer (?). This isn't meant to be hateful. it's just that being a woman,
the mere *idea* of rape is so horrible, and, yes, viscious and hateful, that
it provokes a strong response. Not that I'm saying that men can't understand,
I know they can, and that it does indeed happen to them too, it's just that
the number of male rape victims is quite small compared to that of women (if
this is wrong, feel free to correct me, but please, be polite, I don't intend
any offense). I don't truly hate those boys, but I do believe that they need
to get theirs, but I *know* that eventually they will. What goes around,
*will* come back around, and knock them on their butts, hopefully knocking
some sense and enlightenment into them as well. There, I hope that everyone
understands what I'm saying, I have tried to make this as clear as possible
so as to avoid misunderstandings.

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Kat wrote:

> Magewars?  Hmmmmm...?   Who, what, where, and for how many cookies?

Oooh! That's one of my favorite quotes! A friend of mine added: And what kind
were they? As to the Magewar, well e-mail me privately and I'll tell you,
that is, if no one else has already. It's basically a
roleplaying/storytelling e-mail game. Lot's of fun, and always room for more!
<g>

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Re: Hair

Maybe it's because of my need to visualize everything, but I never thought
Kris was blonde, but then the gorgeous ones who are dark haired always seem
to stand out more to me. 

Also, someone asked about "seeing" music. Actually, I do visualize with music
too, for example, (all Loreena McKennit fans out there ought to recognize
this) in Loreena McKennit's song "All Soul's Night" I *see* everything she
describes, the people dancing around the bonfires etc., this is probably
beside the point, but those images really strike a chord with me. Anyone
else?

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Jaguar wrote:

> Yes! And it's called "Killer Queen" And while I'm thinking of it,
> that song "Gimme the Prize (Kurgan's theme)" is also sort of good for
> Ma'ar/Falconsbane/whoever else he is at the moment. Just for anyone who's
> either a Queen or a Highlander fan. :) 

Thanks, Jag :). Good one, now why didn't I think of that . . . 

=============================================================

Okay, I believe that's quite enough for now. I have been procrastinating on
reading my mail, have just managed to get through yesterdays, and am now
going to proceed to procrastinate some more on todays :).

Blessed Be,

NightShade

One In Black, Lady Of The Pink Wand, and (soon to be) High Priestess Of All
Things Nocturnal



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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:58:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Vrondi <deanca-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: cover art
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961106175652.2646B-100000-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu>

The covers are pretty similar for all three LHM books.  They look like
set at first glance.  I don't know what edition you saw. I've only seen
the one.  And they are beautiful paintings.

-Vrondi a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean, a.k.a Free Bard Oriole.
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"To light a candle is to cast a shadow..."
-"A Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula K. LeGuin
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http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/celtic


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:08:42 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SCA-fluff
Message-ID: <9611122311.AA23040-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

> I believe there are actually 13 currently
> 1) West
> 2) East
> 3) Middle
> 4) Atenveldt
> 5) Meridies
> 6) Caid
> 7) Antlantia
> 8) Ansteorra
> 9) An Tir
> 10) Calontir
> 11) Trimaris
> 12) Outlands
> 13)  I can't for the life of me remember what this one is.  
I think the last one is Drachenwald. And isn't Aethelmearc supposed 
to be going up to kingdom level soon?

Emily the invisible, who likes the SCA cause it explains mess ups in 
the Dernyi books history


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:04:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Becoming a Herald
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.92.961112150150.3019G-100000-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu>

Briana, who just introduced herself to the list today, I think, and I are
friends and we had this little side-conversation about the "would you
become a Herald" question, and about what we liked about LHM, and she
suggested I post those comments to y'all, so here it is.

--Lee-- 97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu -- www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/
"What time is it?" --Dekker, P.

[forwarded message, *snip* header]
[from Briana to Lee:]

[Lee posted to the list:]
Nope.  The thought of battle just...bothers me somehow-- but not as much
as having to make a judgement at a trial.  I'd rather be a Healer--
y'know, quiet, helpful, but domineering when necessary.

[Briana wrote:]
Lee, I was thinking about that.  Fighting is not something that I thonk I
could deal with (mostly harming others, no matter what the cause).  But
other than that I would enjoy any of the gifts.  The moment I got into the
Magic series I fell in love with the whole idea (as I suppose the rest of
you did :> ).

[Lee replied:]
Yeah, the Gifts would probly be fun.  It's just that I agree with Vanyel's
position--If you got the Gift, then you gotta use it for the greater good.
(Or, to put it in a deist way, "What you did well, that was what God
wanted of you"--Lois McMaster Bujold said that in one of her books).  I
loved Vanyel first for his angst, second for his ability to love (even if
he was an idiot), and third for his ethics.

[Briana answered:]
Even though this is personal (I mean between 2 good friends) what you just
said I think you should post to the list.  You have such a knack for
writing, I envy you much  <grin>.

[Lee interrupts:]
bri, no modesty! modesty is BAD! especially when you compliment me!
[ducking cocoanuts]

[Briana continued:]
   And I agree, IF I had the Gift and I
were chosen, (that's a big if) I know I would do it - the sense of duty
thing, you know.  All of the aabove are things that I envy in people (or
rather are things thatI want for myself).

"domineering when necessary" ... an interesting phrase.

[Lee explained:]
I was thinking how bossy the Healers all seem to get when they doubt their
patient's will to cooperate.  Or when there's an emergency, like the
plague of snow-fever in Arrow's Flight.

[Briana replied:]
True. I know the feeling.  Emergencies change people (mostly for the better
I think).  At least that's what I found.

[*snip* Briana's sig]







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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:23:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Paradox <praxis-+AT+-uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SCA-fluff
Message-ID: <199611122323.PAA07149-+AT+-uclink4.berkeley.edu>

At 10:20 PM 11/12/1996 GMT, you wrote:
>> I believe there are actually 13 currently
>> 1) West
>> 2) East
>> 3) Middle
>> 4) Atenveldt
>> 5) Meridies
>> 6) Caid
>> 7) Antlantia
>> 8) Ansteorra
>> 9) An Tir
>> 10) Calontir
>> 11) Trimaris
>> 12) Outlands
>> 13)  I can't for the life of me remember what this one is.  
>> 
>	I wish I could help you.  I can see the map in my head, but the 
>names aren't coming to me at all.  What is the name for the Kingdom in  
>Europe?  Is that on there?  
>
Drachenwald, (sp?) the one that (is or) includes Germany.  The only reason I
am even aware of that is beacaue I know someone who used to live there
and... (actually, I am not 100% sure that is the name of the *kingdom*, but
I think so.  Feel free to correct me.

Briana 
______________________________________________________

:We only know what we're told, and that's little enough.  And for all we
know it 	isn't even true.

:For all anyone knows, nothing is.  Everything has to be taken on trust;
truth is only that which is taken to be true.  It's the currency of living.
There may be nothing behind it, but it doesn't make any difference so long
as it is honoured.  One acts on assumptions.  What do you assume?
_______________________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:50:13 -0800
From: Jefferson or Rain <macstager-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: SCA-fluff/Heather/Misty's Music
Message-ID: <32884855.6786-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Tensen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Jefferson or Rain wrote:
> 
> > Okay.  .  . SCA stands for Society for Creative Anachronism.  There are 7 Kingdoms encompassing the Known World

and then Tensen said:
> That needs to be corrected somewhat.
> 
> I believe there are actually 13 currently
>
> P.S. Sorry about the correcting and all, but as I used to hold the office
> of Castellan for my barony, I got this urge to correct mistakes befored
> they spread as common knowledge.

Are there? I didn't know we'd grown.  I won't tell you the copyright
date on my edition of the Known World Handbook, 'cept to say that it's
old.  Really, really old.  I haven't been truly *active* for a few
years, just hanging out on the fringes of Cynagua and I'm currently lost
in Siber.  .  . er, I mean, Caid.  So - *woops!* *silly me!*  Thanks for
the gentle correction, and boy do I feel sheepish!  See what happens
when you run off and work faire for a few years, instead of going to
barony meetings?

Mat the Cat in Green wrote:

>>Grrrr.  You're just rubbing it in.  Now why can't Heather just come to
Dragon*con, huh? :)<<

I'm donning the fire retardent suit - I can't resist.  Okay, Heather was
best friends with my older sister back when they were both teenagers. 
My sister has all of these tapes of Heather's music, back before it was
*Heather's Music*, which are just SITTING there, which she won't give
ME!  I got to see Phoenix when they played the Red Barn at Northern
Faire back ages and ages ago - <sigh> what an amazing musician. 

obMisty, obMisty, obMisty.  .  . er, well, oh! oh! I know - er, are
Misty's songbooks just the lyrics and general chord arrangements, or is
it actual sheet music?  I play the Celtic harp, and really want some new
music!

WTTW,

rainwood <macstager-+AT+-earthlink.net>

Very funny Scotty, now beam back my clothes.  .  .

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Date:        Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:53:57 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: mostly fluff w/ a little night music
Message-ID:  <12NOV96.18251360.0043.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Oh, ack, cough.  Being the Les Miz freak I am, I have to correct that.
Those two lines come from two separate songs, and neither of them are "A
Little Fall of Rain." The "pavement shines like silver" bit is from "On
My Own," and the "tigers come at night" line is from "I Dreamed a
Dream." I see how one could confuse them, as they're both massively
depressing solos by female leads sung shortly before they die.

Being in the SCA only costs your life savings if you're a fighter!  Or a
serious practitioner of most arts and sciences.  Or go to a lot of
events.  You *can* go broke in the SCA, but you can also avoid it, with
a bit of creativity and a lot of good luck.

Okay, Emily, now you have me all curious.  Send me your escapism flame
privately, I'm dying to know what in specific upset you so badly.  At
the very least it might make you feel better to air out your feelings.
We don't need to scare the rest of the list with it, though.

Regarding "All Coming Back to Me." I see where you get the Vanyel idea,
but I can't say that I really care for it.  First of all, there are
lines in the song that you can't stretch and wiggle to fit Van and
Lendel, no matter how hard you try.  Textevd?  Of course.

I finished crying in the instant that you left
And I can't remember where or when or how
And I banished every memory you and I had ever made

As we have discussed at some length, for good or for ill, Vanyel did not
at any time banish anything at all concerning that relationship, nor was
there one clean break and then coldness, a la:

But you were history with the slamming of the door
And I made myself so strong again somehow
And I never wasted any of my time on you since then

But, what I think is more telling is that the song is obviously about
people who break up after a tumultuous relationship, not an idyllic
relationship ended by unforseen circumstances.

There were those empty threats and hollow lies
And whenever you tried to hurt me
I just hurt you even worse
And so much deeper

So I guess, yes, I like the chorus for Vanyel, but the verses just end
up confusing the issue.  I'm feeling a little purist on this issue for
some reason.

As for the point I raised about it being too sexually-charged for any
Misty couple.  Stef and Vanyel *do* come about as close as I think she
gets to sexual tension.  You have to understand, I'm speaking totally
subjectively here.  I tend to write highly-charged, intense, and very
sexual romantic relationships, and it's what I enjoy reading, too.
Misty falls so far short that it's funny.  There are some very good
moments between Vanyel and Stefen, but they seem more moments than
characteristics of their whole relationship.
   It's really a more emotional/intellectual relationship, seasoned by
the fact that both men are deeply attractive.  The song seems to me to
describe a couple whose sexual heat is every bit as overwhelming as
their intense feelings for one another.  It's really more like my
characters than Misty's -- reminds me in fact of Jordan, who after many,
many years of marriage looks back on his relationship with his husband
and describes it as "the heat and thunder and orgasm of being in love
with Korovich." This is not something I would expect to hear Stefen say
about Vanyel, which is what I mean when I say that they don't have a
highly sexual relationship.
   Not that I'm criticizing the Vanyel-Stefen relationship.  It's
different, but for them that likes that kind of thing, it's exactly the
kind of thing they'd like.  I just think "All Coming Back to Me Now" is
less appropriate for their relationship.
   Is Stef highly sexual?  I don't know.  I'm still bitter about him
sniveling for forgiveness because he was sexually experienced.  He
seemed pretty physical, but if he really came to regret it later, maybe
he wasn't as much so as he appeared.  Personally, I prefer to completely
ignore that line, which otherwise ends up torquing me off during
probably my favorite Misty scene.
   And I wouldn't say that Nyara is, exactly, because she isn't by
choice.  She doesn't enjoy her sexuality; it was sort of foisted off on
her.  She and Skif like having sex, I'm sure, but again, it doesn't seem
particularly central to their relationship.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"You never know what goes on inside a giant badger."
   --Third Rock from the Sun

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Date:          Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:42:33 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel and Stefen
Message-ID: <C74D01721D-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

I'm sorry--have I missed something?  What book has the picture of 
Stef on it?
Oh, and for songs...well, I haven't been paying much attention to 
them, so this may have already been mentioned, but I just heard "The 
Search is Over" by ? Survivor ?  I don't think that's the right 
group, but anyway, I thought it very appropriate for Van and Stef.
Jacquelle
Oh, very clever, Worf.  Eat any good books lately?
--Q

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:23:21 -0800
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel and Stefen
Message-ID: <199611130023.QAA04510-+AT+-latimes.com>

At 11:35 PM 11/12/96 GMT, singer-+AT+-iglobal.net wrote:
>
>Forgive me, but I have just had a naughty thought.  Are Vanyel and Stefen
>still able to be, er, together in the Forest of Sorrows?

I would think so.  Remember the grotto/bathing pool area that Stef takes
Skif and Nyara to while Van is chatting with the mages?  Stef says something
about he and Van had designed it--sort of like remodeling your home was the
feel the passage had for me.  I think there was even a mention of how the
place was designed to be like the grottoes in the Vales--and there was
nothing very subtle about what went on there ;->.  I imagine Van and Stef
put this place to the, uh, same use.

Danya


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