MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 944

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) An Acolyte Rejoices...
	by Jeff Pugh <pgpugh-+AT+-inter-linc.com>
  2) 
	by Jaiook Park <jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
  3) Re: BDAYS I FORGOT!!!!!  DOH!
	by anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com (Dawn L. Anderson)
  4) Firecats/Tannim/gender
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
  5) coverart
	by Celia Marsh <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
  6) Braid: Leslac/Billy Joel/Garth/sitcom/Garth/Leslac's
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
  7) bdays/clergy stuff/songs
	by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
  8) Briana/Tannim/Tensen's on the mead!/Sun&Shadow
	by Melanie Harris <mmharris-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au>
  9) Firebird
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 10) Re: Getting Chosen/visiting Valdemar
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
 11) Re: BDAYS I FORGOT!!!!!  DOH!
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
 12) Re: Quick catch up
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
 13) Re:  Misogynists(don't delete! Not hateful!)
	by Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
 14) Re: Tanimn and Chinthliss
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
 15) Re: Briana/Tannim/Tensen's on the mead!/Sun&Shadow
	by Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
 16) Talia/Jisa/Sofya
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
 17) Re: Getting Chosen/visiting Valdemar
	by infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy (Eleonora Scoseria)
 18) Golden Bough
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
 19) Re: Albreich
	by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
 20) Re: Golden Bough
	by Sean <herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu>
 21) High Priestesses (Absolute total drivel)
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:10:31 -0800
From: Jeff Pugh <pgpugh-+AT+-inter-linc.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: An Acolyte Rejoices...
Message-ID: <32897467.69A9-+AT+-inter-linc.com>

Hey everbody,
    ... Wow, I finally made it. An acolyte to the Goddess Of Music And Song...who would 
have thought that I would ever rise to such an exalted position. Lady Sophia, I thank 
You for accepting my service. I thank You also for the new guitar- my old one was 
getting a little worn. Now all I need is some of those gold-wrapped strings, and I'll be 
ready...and the datebook-thingie. Altough I fear I might use it simply to get a few more
hours of sleep in the mornings. I swear, man was simply NOT designed to get up at 6:30
in the morning! Okay, I'm now going to go jam on my new guitar. Again, I thank You, and 
am at Your service.

obMisty: You know in WoChange, where it talks about true-tones in dissonance being 
really annoying? My school had a pep assembly today, and it's true. VERY MUCH true.
-- 

~AmpliFireCat~
-Acolyte Of Music And Song

"We only come out at night, we only come out at night, the days 
are much too bright, we only come out at night."
                      -"We Only Come Out At Night"
                             The Smashing Pumpkins

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:27:41 +1000
From: Jaiook Park <jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <199611130427.OAA04162-+AT+-gateway.mgs.schnet.edu.au>

I understand the compulsion.  When someone I know well was raped 
and he stated reasons like that for why and was let out of jail on 
technicality... I understand the urge for grabbing a sword.  Were it 
Need, it would be all the better since she would help me all she could.  
That's just her style.

~~~
>hey, I agree...but..jaiook...julie...do NOT argue about this unless =
>you want to join the Drifting Ashes CLub...I almost did...ages ago now

I did not know, I apologise, I'd rather not drift and ash is DEFINITELY not
my color.
~~~
>To all Aussie's on the list.  How do you spell (watch out) "feyadingum"?  I 
>wanna know, please.  Also, would you agree with a translation of it being "no 
>sh*t"?

What? Fair Dinkum?? meaning no Sh*t? hmm... must consider.
~~~

To be totally egotistical and self-absorbing, I just needed to state that I
will postpone my mail for 2-3 months as I have to study for exams then, I
got holidays.  So this is a great time to wish everyone on the list a Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year.  If I'm not back by feb.2 A blessed Imbolc
(better start blessing farm tools!) May the goddess and the god light all
your ways and for you Witches out there, I hope magick performs for you
without those big glitches that can seriously ruin your day!

Here's a parting message.
        "COKE ADDS LIFE" Red Dwarf, infinty welcomes careful drivers.

Jaiook
	"You mean I put down my sword, you put down your rock
	 and we try to kill each other like civilised people?"
		Wesly, Princess Bride.
Jpark-+AT+-mgs.schnet.edu.au                         


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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:41:16 EST
From: anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com (Dawn L. Anderson)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Cc: anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com
Subject: Re: BDAYS I FORGOT!!!!!  DOH!
Message-ID: <19961112.223550.4662.0.anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com>

yes I am still lurking around :)
and I want to thank everyone who wished me a happy birthday.  And I
dfinately need a day of pleasure as well as an exceptional idea.
Dawn


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Date:        Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:20:50 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Firecats/Tannim/gender
Message-ID:  <12NOV96.25215134.0195.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

I see what you mean about Firecats "seeming" groveborn.  In a way, I
think they are.  I don't imagine they were raised by plain ol'
housecats, after all (wouldn't that be odd? being the only one of your
family with human intelligence -- not that we don't all feel that way
sometimes <g>), and they can't reproduce with each other as Companions
do, because there weren't any females before Solaris, and she's not dead
yet (not dead yet!) So they must have "manifested" somehow instead of
being born the conventional way -- a la the groveborn Companions.
   I guess this adds some weight to the theory that groveborns can be
reincarnated souls, too.  There you go, Danya.

The Tannim timeline works out okay.  Assume that Chrome Circle takes
place in about 1993 or 94.  Assume that Tannim is, oh, 27.  Assume he's
16 at the time of Jinx High, which puts Jinx High in 1982 or 83.  It's
not unreasonable to have a gay man ill with AIDS in the early 80s.  Yes,
it's a little early, but not impossible, and anyway I'm just taking your
word for it that Tannim was that old.  I always saw him as between 23
and 25.  All this really means is that Keith and Lenny were among the
early casualties, which is only to be expected: since they were
monogamous (it's implied) since CotN in the mid-70s, at least one of
them would have to have been infected before that, back when no one knew
much of anything about AIDS, let alone that there was any need for a gay
man to wear a condom.
    The Chinthliss thing has always puzzled me, too.  If he got the name
from his magic dragon friend, how were his high school buddies calling
him Tannim in Jinx High when he knew zero about magic?  I raised this
once and someone suggested he acquired it in a dream, as Chinthliss was
in his dreams from an unspecified, though early age.  I still think to
adopt a name you heard in a dream would require you to have an
appreciation for the esoteric and supernatural, which Tannim didn't seem
to have in Jinx High.  I think Misty is just clueless on timelines,
because she throws things in wherever she needs them, with no planning.

Just in case anyone else responds to Cennydd's post with a muttered,
"But he's a man, so what does he know about it?" let me say that I
mainly agree.  I find the idea of rape disturbing, but then I find the
idea of taking a sword to another human being disturbing too -- more so,
really.  Plenty of people survive rape, but few survive a heart-to-heart
with Need, and I don't really get comforted by the idea of killing,
*regardless of who is killed or what kind of a person they were.*
   Not to accuse or reprimand anyone for their feelings on the subject.
I just wanted to head off at the pass any ideas that Cennydd's
objections were because "men just don't understand," or whatever.

I assume Vanyel and Stef can still have sex in the Forest of Sorrows.  I
can tell you this much: if I *ever* find out that they can't, that is
it, and I am never reading, let alone buying, another Mercedes Lackey
book as long as I live.  Not that this will ruin Misty financially, or
even concern her in the slightest, probably, but it will be my small way
of registering Extreme Annoyance.  You all probably think I'm joking
here, but I'm not.  Not remotely.



HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"You never know what goes on inside a giant badger."
   --Third Rock from the Sun

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 0:17:31 EST
From: Celia Marsh <k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: coverart
Message-ID: <199611130517.AAA00925-+AT+-hobbes.kzoo.edu>

	Okay, now I really should move on to something else,  but I'm
totally confused.  First of all the way people talk about covers it _sounds_
as though ya'll are talking about two different covers.  I just saw one on
saturday that had a close up of presumably Vanyel, with sidebars ala Winds
and Storms but I'm willing to swear that the older covers I've seen are
predominantly black with a more panoramic view and foil accents of at least
one color.  Now, granted, I haven't looked at them in quite sometime, as
they never interested me(I'm sorry, but it's the truth) so I might be mixing
them up or just remembering the same cover from different views.  They
aren't posibly on the net anywhere are they?  I'm so confused.
	Fluff alert:  THank you my lord god, for the 14 inches of snow that
have fallen here in the past 3 days.  I adore snow especailly this early in
the season.    
				Love and kisses, Cele
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	May we kiss those we please and please those we kiss
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 Cecelia Ann Marsh			|"You've been reading 	     |
 Box 444 Hicks Center  			|too much meaning from	     |
 Kalamazoo MI 49006			|existence" 		     |
 E-mail: k95cm02-+AT+-kzoo.edu		|			     |
 http://www.kzoo.edu/~k95cm02/		|	   -James _Lullaby_  |
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:10:18 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Leslac/Billy Joel/Garth/sitcom/Garth/Leslac's
Message-ID: <199611130604.AAA23391-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

Mat wrote:
>>>> ObMisty: Are there any stories somewhere about Leslac, after his marrying a
> member of Valdemar's nobility?  

AFAIK, there are none.  The closest that I know of is the song "Leslac's
Last Lament" (which I don't really like) on the album _Oathbreakers_.<<<

I WANT TO HEAR THAT SONG! Or at least read the lyrics. Could someone
*please* send me a copy of the words? I mean, even though Mat didn't like
it, I think I'd at least like to read the words. I am extremely curious.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kory wrote:
>>>Ooo..speaking of that, Billy Joel just donated an antique organ to an 
auction for a gay/lesbian somethingorother...'twas on CNN...<<<

??? Howin'ell did I miss that??? WHY??? Oh well. I can't keep track of
Billy Joel anymore -- he's gone so low key! Does anyone else feel this way?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cennydd wrote:
>>> BTW,Garth was also the singer who came under so much fire in the press and
media when he released a music video that depicted domestic battering and
a wife shooting her husband in defense: the video for "The Thunder
Rolls."  He is actually a remarkably socially conscious performer/artist. <<<

I saw that video, and when I went to see him in concert back in October, he
added a third verse (which I think was cut from the studio release because
of the violence factor). It was haunting, and I can see why his producers,
TNN, CMC, etc. didn't like the video. And you're absolutely right -- he is
a socially conscious, and he knows there's more to life than closing the
mind off to what's happening *now*. I think all of you Garth fans know that
his video for "The Thunder Rolls" was banned from TNN (The Nashville
Network) and CMC (Country Music Channel), and VH1 was the only supporter
for that video. I don't care if any of y'all think his music sucks -- if
you don't like him, I won't push it. But he is *very* open-minded, and
that's why he's sometimes shunned in Country Music Gatherings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jaiook Park wrote:
>>>I know what you mean, I mean I hate humour that's really shallow like
Seinfeld (sorry all you fans!) but I love stuff that has a good plot like
Ned & Stacy, Friends, Partners, Mad About You, 3rd Rock from the Sun, Almost
Perfect, The Nanny, Simpsons (though its quite shallow sometimes there are
MANY levels of humour in it) and The Naked truth.<<<

Ick. I *hate* Seinfeld. My friend Carl and I get into an extremely heated
discussion on the humor levels and the "mind-candy-ishness" of the show. He
says mind-candy, but it's still good; I say 
school lunch, which absolutely sucks. I've lost faith in those sitcoms --
I'm a hard-core Trekkie, and an occasional X-Phile. I still like The
Simpsons, though. _Friends_ bugs me. It truly bugs me. Sorry to all of you
fans, but I think it's a series of "So what? Who cares? It's your life --
quit bitching about it!" And the theme music bugs me, and it doesn't have
cool FX like Babylon 5.
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Emily the Invisible wrote:
>>>I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Garth vs Billy Joel. I 
think the Billy Joel version is so much better than Garth's that it's 
not funny (grin).<<<

We'll agree to disagree. I think you need a taste for Garth to really enjoy
him, but one does not need to be a hard-core Country fan to love Garth. I
love both their versions, but I like the Garth version better -- for some
reason. I think the song did a lot for Garth and he did a lot for the song,
too.
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Firemist wrote:
>>>BTW, heather, just curious about something - does Stef have enough
sexual energy to carry off this song? you said something about no misty
character being able too (or Nyara, for that matter)<<<

One character does: YFANDES!!!! She's got enough sexual energy/sex drive
than all of the Velgarth characters combined! 
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Shadra wrote:
>>>Which book did it mention Leslac's marriage? I've got a soft spot for that
goofy Bard. Did Tarma & Kethry ever get back at him for writing "Three's"?
There is some mention of his exploits in the short stories Misty did in the
S&S series.<<<

Well, I think that someone (it was either Twoblades or Dryvale) arranged
for Leslac to marry a crusty sort of noble woman, and there has been a
discussion of "Is the woman the countess from It Was A Dark And Stormy
Night?" I personally think it is.
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Rainwood wrote:
>>>and then I think Lady Silvermoon asked:
>  How do you pronounce Samhain?  It was on X-Files the other night,  and I'm
> pretty certain it's not pronounced like it sounds.  Anyone see that one?
>  <shudder>

It is pronounced "sow-an" - although I've heard it pronounced "sow-ain",
"so-ain", "so-an", and so on, and so on, and so on.  .  . (ducks coconut
and pops up giggling) that's the way I've always said it, but everybody
seems to have a certain twist.  .  . there ought to be a dissection of
the sounds in a really good gaelic dictionary - Briana are you
listening? And I watched about the first 5 minutes of that particular
episode, burst into hysterical tears and forced my husband to give up
the remote, it was so disturbing.<<<

In the episode it was pronounced, I think, "sam-an", but I don't think
you're supposed to pronounce the "m". And as for the episode, it was so
disturbing, I could not keep my eyes off the screen. One of my friends
called me during commercials, and I nearly chewed her out 'cuz it was my
X-Files night. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ele wrote:
>>>Just why can't we possibly have a Valdemar MUSH? <<<

It's a no-no 'cuz Misty and her team of lawyers said so. She doesn't want
her worlds and characters to be used for entertainment unless she knows
about it and approves of it. I think it's understandable, because as a fan,
I want her to keep on writing, and if she can't support herself by writing
because of the MUSH (which might happen), no more books. Does anybody have
the exact statement? 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do they still publish hardcovers for individual LHM? If so, where can I buy
them? Are the covers really different from the paperbacks?
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Okiedokie -- I'm done. Whew -- that was long.

Love & Everything,
Summersong & Spiffy the Cat
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Akiko Hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>
"I had a feeling he was going to be a doctor...
he had the hands of a doctor." -- Jadzia Dax
from ST:DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations"
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 01:09:48 -0500
From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: bdays/clergy stuff/songs
Message-ID: <199611130619.BAA29751-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Deniz is speaking for this first section only
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Dawn wrote:
>yes I am still lurking around :)
>and I want to thank everyone who wished me a happy birthday.  And I
>dfinately need a day of pleasure as well as an exceptional idea.

Oh! <snaps fingers> *You're* Anderson!  Well, I changed it in the bday list to 
Dawn, because if you sign Dawn, that's what the name on the list should be.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-
woodlark takes over right about here.  Thank you for bowing out so politely 
for once, deniz.  You better invite Cat over more often.  At least you still 
respect her and let her make you behave!

My new brother, AmpliFireCat, exalted:
>>    ... Wow, I finally made it. An acolyte to the Goddess Of Music And 
Song...<<

<g> Doesn't it give you that wondrous giddy feeling that makes you want to 
sing?  Welcome, my brother.  Hope you enjoy life in the temple.

Mine Goddess, Lady Sophia, wondered:
>>BTW, Lady Woodlark, any NEWS on your solo?  (The Goddess of Music and Song
prays to Herself, very, very hard!)<<

<pout> Not yet.  Maybe this week.  As i might have said before, she still had 
two countertenors to audition.  Well, tomorrow is our next rehearsal, and she 
*better* say, or else i will fall into the pit of apathy.

>>The Goddess of Music and Song is very sad today, as she was not cast in
yet another production of "The Magic Flute."  Sniffle.<<

woodlark rumages around in the Celestial Discography, starts playing Faure's 
Requiem, realizes it might be a bit too much of a downer, so plays it 
backwards, causing everyone to sing about granting eternal life rather than 
freedom from eternal death.  She reaches into her pocket and pulls out a 
little packet of porta-Kleenex (TM), dabbing at her eyes.

	"Lady, please allow me to cry on your behalf that You need not risk 
tightening Your throat.  Mayhap it will grant thee great relief to know that 
others, too, feel Your pain, and would sacrifice use of their throats for a 
while that You might not be sad."

	At this point, woodlark looks, astonished at her audacity and no 
little bit awkwardly, at her Goddess seeking comfort in her arms.  She clears 
her throat and continues, "They say meaningless chatter helps soothe 
distraught persons, and i can hope it will help You, as well.  Early this 
year, thine acolyte did not even manage to get called back in auditions for 
'The Pirates of Penzance.'  Alas."

	Lady woodlark looks up from her rambling introspection to find Lady 
Sophia smiling again, the tears that were sparkling on her cheek but a few 
hours hence, miraculously gone.  Lady Sophia smiles at her, much relieved, and 
woodlark realizes that her eyes and throat no longer feel the adverse effects 
of crying and talking through it for hours on end.

"Thank you, lady woodlark," Lady Sophia says.  (To be continued... by Lady 
Sophia Herself, I hope)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-
Somebody asked whose "Adagio for Strings" I was in rapture over.  Samuel 
Barber.  I'm rewriting this, because I'm not sure if my last message reached 
the list or not.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-
ObMisty:  I don't know if you guys had received my earlier recommendations for 
"O Fortuna" of Carmina Burana.  I had suggested it for the war scenes with 
Ancar, with some of the "oh-no" climactic stuff happening when Kero's people 
realize that his soldiers are being driven inhumanly.  However, Cennydd's 
suggestions, which I received right after sending mine off, also work for me.

Here's another suggestion.  For one of the comic relief songs at the Herald' 
parties.  Robert Convery's "Mish Nash Madrigals."  They're a wondrous setting 
of around 8 of Ogden Nash's poems.  It might be hard to find Convery's work 
though, because the only reason I knew him was because he was friends with the 
conductor of my High School Choir.  We have a CD with them on it coming out in 
December.  I'll just quote one of them now.  This is Ogden Nash's poetry.

Some primal termite knocked on wood,
And tasted it, and found it good.
And that is why your cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.

and

The parsnip, children, I repeat,
Is simply an anemic beet.
Some people call the parsnip edible.
Myself, I find this claim incredible.

love,
free bard woodlark, Acolyte in |Et j'aime la nuit ecouter les etoiles.
Music and Song, and not deniz  |C'est comme cinq cents millions de
at all, even though i know her |grelots...
username and passwords. <weg>  |     --  Antoine de Saint-Exupery
                 dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:47:21 +1000
From: Melanie Harris <mmharris-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Briana/Tannim/Tensen's on the mead!/Sun&Shadow
Message-ID: <32897D08.6678-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au>

Briana wrote:
>  Like Lee said I am a newbie, and I guess I really didn't introduce myself,
> and I guess I did just sort of butt-in, *looks at the ground and shuffles
> her feet*, but you all did look like you were having such a good time 
> and... well...
> *looking very innocent and childlike*  Can I play too?

Nyah ha hah! <looks around> hmmm... I seem to have gotten here before Mishi, 
as far as I can tell (of course, I *am* on digest, but who cares?), soooo...

*POUNCE!*crash!tinkletinkletinkle*spunnnnng*dink... dink... dink...

oooooops. Sorry. I keep forgetting that 7' tall Redcaps shouldn't pounce on 
people... *ahem* hope you're OK... that was *supposed* to be a friendly 
welcome.

Deniz wrote (about Briana)
> You're a newbie?  <consulting memory> weren't you posting last month when I
> joined?

<womanfully refraining from the "U" word...> Er, I think that was *Herald* 
Briana. Am I right? You still there? Hallooooo.... nice person dressed in 
white who was around before-*ahem* sorry, private joke... <g>

[stuff about Tannim in Jinx High]
> ...  Also, just to nit-pick, he didn't get the name Tannim til after he
> met Chinthliss. (Do I have to dodge coconuts now?) <g>

Haha! I know this one! Looooooong before Tannim actually *met* Chinthliss, 
they were talking in Tannim's dreams, and T thought C was a sort of 
"imaginary friend". When C gave him the name Tannim, he started using it 
(hey, he liked it even if it *did* come from a figment of his imagination!) 
and it fitted so well that everyone, even his parents, went along.

/\/\/\/\/\

Tensen wrote:
> Nothing wrong with faires.  i live at them..  well never actyakky wirj at
> ibem just go to them frequently.

Tensen, hon, not to be picky or anything... but either the Git of DYpots has 
you well in his influence, or you were hitting the mead last night! <ggg!>

/\/\/\/\/\

Kat wrote:
> OBMisty: I am curious as to this, does anyone know the full Sunsinger and
> Shadowdancer story?  There are parts of it all over the place in
> different songs and stuff, but is it ever really told?

No, which is a pity, and Misty has apparently said that she isn't going to 
write it. (The S&S story, by the way, is probably the most frequent subject 
of "I wish Misty would write XXX" posts...)


Mel the Redcap
Potential Goddess of the Supernaturally Scary Socks (not digests!)
who was yesterday living up to her reputation by wearing bright red 
thigh-high socks with white stars up the sides...

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:01:41 GMT
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: Firebird
Message-ID: <199611131101.LAA26059-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

For those who are in the UK, or who order books from the UK, New Worlds on
Charing Cross Road had a pile of copies of _Firebird_ when I was in there 
yesterday (and Forbidden Planet didn't have any on Monday). The phone number's
in the FAQ.

(Offtopic, for those who are Pratchett fans, he's signing _Hogfather_ at
Forbidden Planet this coming Saturday. I know from past experience that that 
means a _very_ long queue, so I've ordered my copy to be posted to me)


Mel

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:05:10 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Getting Chosen/visiting Valdemar
Message-ID: <3289B976.D10-+AT+-javanet.com>

Eleonora Scoseria wrote:
  What I have
> always wondered is (ducking coconuts in case it has come out before) do you
> have any choice or is it "written in the stars". For instance, if Kero had
> managed not to go to Valdemar, would Sayvil have Chosen somebody else? Would
> Sayvil have gone abroad to find her? Do Companions when they reincarnate
> know who they will bond with? (ducking again just for good measure.
 
I dunno, but look again at Albreich - his companion went to GREAT
lengths to find him (infiltrating an enemy camp for an extended period
of time, apparently just to be on hand to bond with him). For that
matter, so did Talia's, though not quite so extreme.

Kit

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:30:16 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: BDAYS I FORGOT!!!!!  DOH!
Message-ID: <3289BF58.4A8F-+AT+-javanet.com>

Since I've been entirely without inspiration until now on the bday
thing, here is a gift for all those who I've managed to miss:
I give you a Mundane Egg, and I hope it hatches into whatever world you
most desire - no, scratch that, whatever world would make you most
happy! <G>

Kit

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:40:05 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Quick catch up
Message-ID: <3289C1A5.54D8-+AT+-javanet.com>

GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu wrote:
> 
> WARNING: Outdated stereotyping could be offensive to some.
> 
> I think, (IMHO), that people see Kris as blonde is because he acts
> stereotypically blonde...Vain, self-centered, slightly naive and
> gullible (think the chicken scene), he can't believe it if everyone
> isn't enthralled by him...The Media pushes this as dumb-blonde
> attitudes...so, voila'..Kris must be blonde.
 
I'm NOT going to start throwing flaming coconuts, or anything else, but
I thought he was blond too - and I AM blond, so how do you figure I'm
going to buy into that explanation? (think carefully before answering
this please >:) )

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:54:59 -0500
From: Larissa march <kitanzi-+AT+-javanet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:  Misogynists(don't delete! Not hateful!)
Message-ID: <3289C523.2CDB-+AT+-javanet.com>

ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
 
> > Kit (who could come up with some creatively vicious punishments to fit
> > the crime...)
> 
> <grin> Moi aussi, (french for me too, sorry guys but I tend to think in
> French from time to time, but don't worry, I shall make sure to translate
> what I say. :)) I could think of some truly viscious one's as well,
> particulary a certain truly appropriate one for rapists, but  . . . I don't
> think there's really a need to say it, might offend the more sensitive
> listmembers, you know. :)
> 
> Ooops, just read an objection to the reactions, so I'd better post a
> disclaimer (?). This isn't meant to be hateful. it's just that being a woman,
> the mere *idea* of rape is so horrible, and, yes, viscious and hateful, that
> it provokes a strong response. Not that I'm saying that men can't understand,
> I know they can, and that it does indeed happen to them too, it's just that
> the number of male rape victims is quite small compared to that of women (if
> this is wrong, feel free to correct me, but please, be polite, I don't intend
> any offense). I don't truly hate those boys, but I do believe that they need
> to get theirs, but I *know* that eventually they will. What goes around,
> *will* come back around, and knock them on their butts, hopefully knocking
> some sense and enlightenment into them as well. There, I hope that everyone
> understands what I'm saying, I have tried to make this as clear as possible
> so as to avoid misunderstandings.

I entirely agree... which is why I was suggesting a compulsion that
would only kick in when they started thinking in terms of rape. Maybe
it's just me, but I do think that would be justice. And yes, I have very
strong opinions on this too - but I have never been one of the "learn to
forgive and you will be a better person for it" group, although I have
had it said to me many times. Just my two cents, as usual.
 
Kit

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:36:23 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Tanimn and Chinthliss
Message-ID: <9611131338.AA27948-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

Deniz asked:
>JInx High has Tannim in the corner at the school dance, and in 
>another of the Serrated Edge books, he mentions that this was the 
>first time he had seen magic. So, how does the timline work for DT
>and Tannim? Doesn't the fact that he's still in high school in Jinx
>mean that Keith would have had to get AIDS sometime in the 
>mid-seventies for Tannim to be out of high school and established at 
>SERRA? In Chrome circle, he says that his ex-girlfriend is working 
>on post-doc stuff, which makes it at least 8 or 9 years out of high 
>school.  Also, just to nit-pick, he didn't get the name Tannim til 
>after he met Chinthliss. (Do I have to dodge coconuts now?) <g>
The timeline is kinda odd, cause Tanimn is about 27 in CC (he says so 
somewhere in the book). There is no really defined year for CC cause 
it is set in the real world but there are no events that tie it to a 
specific year in the ninties. I usually guess that all four of the 
currently published SERRA books take place in the same year, around 
the time when the Waco debacle occurred(sp) cause that mess is 
mentioned in CC (I think). As for Tanimn being named by Chinthliss, I 
bought the explanation that Chinthliss was Tanimn's imaginary friend. 
Tanimn seems pretty clear on the idea that he was fooling around with 
magic at a fairly young age under Chinthliss's tutalege, but that he 
thought it was just his overactive imagination until the events of 
Jinx High. I found that explanation believable cause I had a dragon 
for an imaginary friend when I was little and Puff was a bit like 
Chinthliss. 

Has anyone else noticed that Chinthliss's abilities are about the 
same as the abilities of the dragons in Elvensbane and Elvenblood? 
Look at how both sorts of dragons can shapechange, and Chinthliss's 
way of looking at the world seems pretty close too.

Emily the invisible


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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:49:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Briana/Tannim/Tensen's on the mead!/Sun&Shadow
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.961113084804.24131A-100000-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>



On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Melanie Harris wrote:

> /\/\/\/\/\
> 
> Tensen wrote:
> > Nothing wrong with faires.  i live at them..  well never actyakky wirj at
> > ibem just go to them frequently.
> 
> Tensen, hon, not to be picky or anything... but either the Git of DYpots has 
> you well in his influence, or you were hitting the mead last night! <ggg!>
> 

Sure looks that way doesn't it.   And after all my drunken posts on the 
other sublists people probably think I do that frequently too.  
Unfortunately I think i was just tired or something when I posted that 
last one..  oh well.

                                     Tensen


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Date:          Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:24:19 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Talia/Jisa/Sofya
Message-ID: <D6FF6E6775-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

I've been curious...after Talia's Gift surfaces and she gets training 
for it--well, what little training she gets--someone makes a comment 
that Valemar has never had a Monarch's Own with Empathy, they're so 
surprised that Talia has it, etc, etc.  Do they not keep records?  
Jisa was Monarch's Own, and she had Empathy just as strong as Talia 
did.  Of course, Misty didn't write LHM until after Arrows, but if 
they could keep records on Vanyel (cf. orientation class), then 
shouldn't they keep records on their monarchs/MO--especially when the 
M/MO are married to each other?  (btw, that's one of my *favorite* 
scenes in the LHM books, when Jisa secretly marries ?Taver? --There's 
too many T-names back then <g>!)
Also, and I know there's no evd for this at ALL, but to me, I think 
that Talia and Jisa are close enough to be the same person.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
I also have to agree with whoever made the connection between Sofya 
and Sofi...I hadn't thought of that either until you mentioned it.

Jacquelle
Oh, very clever, Worf.  Eat any good books lately?
--Q

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 12:48 EST
From: infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy (Eleonora Scoseria)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Getting Chosen/visiting Valdemar
Message-ID: <m0vNhXw-000pjkC-+AT+-nicasio.distrinet.com.uy>

>Eleonora Scoseria wrote:
>  What I have
>> always wondered is (ducking coconuts in case it has come out before) do you
>> have any choice or is it "written in the stars". For instance, if Kero had
>> managed not to go to Valdemar, would Sayvil have Chosen somebody else? Would
>> Sayvil have gone abroad to find her? Do Companions when they reincarnate
>> know who they will bond with? (ducking again just for good measure.
> 
>I dunno, but look again at Albreich - his companion went to GREAT
>lengths to find him (infiltrating an enemy camp for an extended period
>of time, apparently just to be on hand to bond with him). For that
>matter, so did Talia's, though not quite so extreme.
>
>Kit
>
>

Please somebody, I would like to find that story of Alberich getting chosen,
and I accidentally deleted the message where soemone said it was. Can you
please tell me?

Ele
Priestess of Karma


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Date:        Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:19:07 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Golden Bough
Message-ID:  <13NOV96.10064378.0060.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Someone asked if the folk group Golden Bough had anything to do with
Misty's filk.  The answer is, not yet and not exactly.
   The "not yet" is because they have committed to do an album or two
linked to some of her new fairy tale books, Firebird and Fire Rose, I
believe -- though I assume it'll be folk music instead of filk, like the
Tempest *SERRAted Edge* album and the Leif Sorbye *Across the Borders,*
that was linked to Bedlam Bards.
   And "not exactly" because lead singer Margie Butler does sing Talia's
part on both Heralds, Harpers, and Havoc and Lovers, Lore, and Loss.  I
believe Leif Sorbye also sings some backup on Shadow Stalker.
   For those in the dark, here's a list of the Mistyfilk currently
available -- annotated, of course, since I have a Medical Compulsion to
Add Commentary (like Wendy Pini's rule for drawing the *Beauty & the
Beast* graphic novels: "When in doubt, stick some fringe on it.")

    Heralds, Harpers, and Havoc: First of the tapes, containing most of
the songs printed in the back of Arrow's Fall.  Margie Butler as Talia,
Frank Hayes as Jadus, Larry Warner as Dirk, Kris Klover as Kris
(coincidence?), and Mercedes Lackey as Selenay (common consensus is that
she mangles it).  Has kind of a recorded-in-your-basement sound to it,
but manages some really memorable music, I think.  Not yet available on
CD.
   Lovers, Lore, and Loss: The most recent, available on tape and CD.
New songs that take place mainly during Arrow's Fall.  Margie Butler
returns as Talia, there's a new guy as Dirk who isn't bad, though he's
not Larry.  Mainly, you really need this one if you haven't yet been
introduced to Shandeen, who takes over as Selenay and has a voice to die
for.  Cecilia Eng, IIRC, as Elspeth.

    Shadow Stalker: Subtitled "Songs from Vanyel's time." The songs from
Magic's Price, plus several more.  Heather Alexander sings everything.
Mostly gorgeous, occasionally annoying (most people go ballistic over
"Herald's Creed," but on the irritation meter, I find "Web of Light" the
worst offender).  Some neat songs added from the Tayledras, including
Moondance's story and what sounds like a Tayledras shaman's chant -- go
figure, but it's a nice song.  Heather Alexander sings everything.  Did
I mention that?  Try to forget "Magic's Price," which is insufferably
bouncy, considering it was WRITTEN AS STEFEN'S FINAL TRIBUTE TO HIS LOST
LOVE.  Ahem, sorry, didn't mean to yell.  But if you've heard it, you
understand how absolutely inappropriate it is.  Tape & CD.

    Oathbound: I really like this one.  Leslie Fish as Tarma, Heather
Alexander as Kethry, Larry Warner as Tarma's spirit teacher who sings a
bunch of Shin'a'in traditionals, and Cecilia Eng as the young Tarma.
Mostly Shin'a'in songs instead of songs specifically related to the
book.  Soon to be available on CD.
    Oathbreakers: Leslie and Heather again, and Michael Longcor as
wossname, Kethry's librarian.  The everfun Frank Hayes as Leslac.  More
specifically related to the book.  An appearance by Juanita Coulson
singing Need's story.  Like HH&H, sometimes great, usually just sort of
entertaining.  Soon to be available on CD.
    By the Sword: The only collection of Valdemar music *not* written by
Misty.  Written and performed by Meg Davis, who rocks (spiritually and
literally -- she has a great Celtic rock band, as well as many wonderful
filk and traditional Celtic tapes).  A whole different sound, a little
more electric, a little more passionate.  Does what I think accompanying
music should, and adds entirely new dimensions to Kerowyn's character,
especially in the awkward, tender, wistful, and stubborn love song, "At
the Edge of the Forest." Not all the songs are brilliant, but I still
think it's a brilliant CD.  What can I say?  Meg Davis is my 2nd
favorite filk singer (Heather's my third.) So I'm partial to this one.

    And the infamous "Kerowyn's Ride" that Kero hated so much in By the
Sword is recorded on *Magic, Moondust, and Melancholy,* a collection of
non-Valdemar (except "KR," obviously) filk by Lackey & Fish, sung by
Leslie Fish and Heather Alexander.  A pretty good tape that's been
reviewed here recently, so I won't.  Can I just say, I once sang the
Kerowyn part in "Kerowyn's Ride" while Leslie Fish backed us up on
guitar?  I'm saying.


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"Another day, another time and I might have said yes
 You're so easy to hold on to, and I love you, I guess"
    --Meg Davis, "On the Edge of the Forest"

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:16:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Albreich
Message-ID: <9611131616.AA16452-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk>

> Please somebody, I would like to find that story of Alberich getting chosen,
> and I accidentally deleted the message where soemone said it was. Can you
> please tell me?
> 
> Ele
> Priestess of Karma

It's in the _Horse Fantastic_ anthology - the story is called _Stolen Silver_.

-Jerry  

-- 
   _|_   Jerry Cullingford      jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk      (Work)
  / |    Hemel Hempstead, UK    jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk   (Home)
  \_|_                          jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com  (alternate)
\__/                            www.selune.demon.co.uk  (soon)

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:17:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Sean <herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Golden Bough
Message-ID: <199611131717.JAA13508-+AT+-popserver4.Stanford.EDU>

Heather wrote:
>    Heralds, Harpers, and Havoc: First of the tapes, containing most of
>the songs printed in the back of Arrow's Fall.  Margie Butler as Talia,
>Frank Hayes as Jadus, Larry Warner as Dirk, Kris Klover as Kris
>(coincidence?), and Mercedes Lackey as Selenay (common consensus is that
>she mangles it).  Has kind of a recorded-in-your-basement sound to it,
>but manages some really memorable music, I think.  Not yet available on
>CD.
I needed to add a little commentary to this one...it is available on CD
because I have it! ;-)

obmisty (sort of) Does anyone know when the CD version of Oathbound is going
to be released?  I preordered it in June and haven't heard a thing since.

herewiss-+AT+-leland.stanford.edu
"I am the creature of the wood, forsaken in my solitude.  My song is
pleasure and is pain, my song can drive a man insane.  So come with me my
pipes I'll play and we will dance to break of day."

Creature of the Wood-Heather Alexander-Life's Flame



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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:20:37 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: High Priestesses (Absolute total drivel)
Message-ID: <199611131720.KAA22948-+AT+-primenet.com>

>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----
>SUBJECT: High Priestess
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----

>Sharing? *Lightning flickers.* It's bad enough my disciplines overlap other
>ones.  Now I have to SHARE clergy? *grin* Where's 'Reesa?!  I think SHE'LL
>be a good High Priestess... 

        *sigh*  Can we say not been reading our digests?  I knew we could.
I did manage to catch most of these posts, just because I got a friendly
nudge from _someone_ who told me to answer his post already.  *grin*

        Alright then...with all due ceremony...

        Hey Jake, can I be your high priestess?  *grin*  There...all the
pomp amd ritual that position deserves...*grin*  To my new office I bring
the never-ending cream pie, the complete works of Douglas Adams (No, the
_really_ complete works of Douglas Adams, with "Young Zaphod Plays It Safe")
and a large bottle of chocolate syrup.  *grin*  (Don't ask...it's much
simpler that way.)  To fulfill my duties, I shall travel to the very ends of
the earth, I shall watch AbFab in re-runs. I shall...*Slight
shudder*...listen to all those Sesame Street tapes you sent me.   And let us
not forget the most important of my duties....I shall pester you ceaselessly!

(*NOTE:  None of these ir really a stretch since I do most of them
naturally...except that Sesame Street thing...well okay...and the cream pie.
*grin*)

        Since I am a mortal Queen, and not a Goddess, I think my petition
should be accepted.  So there!  *pllllbbbbbt*  The Royal Raspberry.  And if
the position is already filled...then I'm taking my chocolate syrup and
going home!  *sniff*

Oh my...I have to think up an ObMisty now don't I?  *sigh*  Is there a list
somewhere that's devoted to fluff?  If so, I think I should go there, since
I never do seem to contribute much of value here!  *grin*

ObMisty:  Selenay was _not_ the Queen of Everything, just the Queen of Valdemar.

RealObMisty:  (Without giving away any spoilers)  Was _anybody_ really happy
with the way _Storm Breaking_ ended?  It seemed so...Un-misty if you ask me.
It didn't really resolve the plot in my mind...it just kind of fixed things
for the moment...again.  Actually, that's something that really bothers me
about the whole Storm series.  She (IMNSHO) left all the books hanging.  I
mean, with Vanyel, each book was fairly self-contained.  There were threads
that tied the whole series together, but it wasn't like she left them as
cliffhangers.  With the Storm books, it kind of struck me that she might as
well have left a little note at the end of the book that said "Ha-ha!
You've reached the end!  Now you miserable wreck, you have to wait an entire
year until I publish the next one!  And by that time you will be so consumed
curiousity, you're going to go out and buy the hardcover!  *evil laughter*"
        So, was it just me?  (A loud chorus of YES! can be heard from the
listmembers, followed by the sound of TMIW smacking poor 'Reesa upside the
head and dragging her off...)

See y'all!  (Or talk to you...or e-mail you...or something like that...*grin*)

Her Majesty, 'Reesa the Incorrigable, Queen of Everything.
(And close personal friend to many sheep...so there!)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 'Reesa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
INTERVIEWER: "Could you destroy the earth with 
the power of your mind?
TICK:  Egads!  I _hope_ not!  That's where I 
keep all my _stuff_!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.angelfire.com/az/LadyReesa/index.html


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