MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 945 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) stats/Valdemar Travel Tours/Samhain/Jisa/fated Choosings? by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> 2) music "heyla" question by Vivian Choh 3) Re: valdemar--the real one by Randi Skjaeran 4) (good amount of fluff)Web page/catching up/thanks/newbies by Wintershard 5) Re: valdemar--the real one by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 6) the size of Valdemar by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 7) Samhain&X-files (lotsa fluff, with an obMisty about bondbirds) by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 8) kestra'cherns/ cliff hangers/ Herald? by Tammy Harris 9) Brvaes Reacts In Shock At Ammount Of Non-Deleted Old Posts by Korendil 10) Blondes, B-days,Books and wandering mates by GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu 11) Godhood appointments. by Ken Hyde 12) Re: Getting Chosen/visiting Valdemar by Larissa march 13) deification by "V. Brockmeier" 14) Re: Priestess by "V. Brockmeier" 15) Greetings to you all by "Brandon J Heins" 16) re: Golden Bough +Heralds Creed/more Herald thoughts/Vanyel by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net 17) Q? When is Florian going to Choose Karal/songs/Mishi's malltrip/religion/misc. by Hades16-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Dixon artwork by Hades16-+AT+-aol.com 19) Firecats/Van&Stef/Leslac/new books by Melanie Harris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: stats/Valdemar Travel Tours/Samhain/Jisa/fated Choosings? Message-ID: ShadowJaz wrote: > the number of male rape victims is quite small compared to that of women (if > this is wrong, feel free to correct me, but please, be polite, I don't intend > any offense). Don't bother ducking; I won't throw cocoanuts-- you just touched on my Senior Thesis topic. ...about 364,000 unwanted sexual acts take place every year in United States prisons, with 242,000 of them involving penetration; about 5000 of those victims are women (I don't have a stat for girls); 40,000 are boys in juvenile & adult facilities (including boys who've been abused by their parents & taken away to "protective custudy"); and 319,000 are adult men in jails & prisons. I'm not looking directly at my sources, so I can't vouch for the thoroughness of the particular study I'm quoting, but y'all can get your eyes opened at www.igc.apc.org/spr/ (warning: some parts of that site are not for the faint of heart.) A quick search for a comparable stat on rapes of non-incarcerated women has garnered these: 500,200 women and girls sexually victimized per year, with 172,400 of them completed and 141,200 attempted. Not that one ought to trust the statistics; owing to inconsistencies in definitions and an unknown amount of underreporting for assaults both in and out of prison, all we can say for sure is that there is a really large amount of rape survivors out there, with a proportion of something like 5:3 female vs male victims. While men are comparatively less likely to get raped, that still adds up to a lot more than one would expect. ****** Someone a couple of days ago asked about which Misty characters we'd want to meet. (Obmisty alert!) I'd want to hang out with Vanyel, *if* I knew he wasn't going to be standoffish. Dontcha just think you could learn a lot from him? But shy people make me nervous (I'm shy enough as it is --no, really, in person I'm the quiet type. Really.) because I can't figure out how to get to know them before my nervousness takes over and makes me run away. [a nearby computer beeps; small gray cat flies up, hits the ceiling, and sticks there, shivering, until the Nasty Beep goes away.] ****** re the pronounciation of Samhain, iirc the (Irish) students I hung out with in Galway last year called it "sow-en" (sow-rhymes-with-cow, with the accent on the first syllable). I don't *have* a dictionary, bri, mumble time mumble study another mumbling language! ****** Jisa and Talia? I had the impression that, if it weren't for the fact that we only get to see Jisa during the years that her parents are dying, she'd appear to have a more cheerful, less troubled disposition than Talia. ****** fated Choosings? I'm not certain that we can assume that Choosing happens the same way for every Companion. Maybe some are fated, such as Gwena and Elspeth, but... Remember in, er...AFlight, just after Talia & Kris leave Haven they stop at this village just to the north, and Talia's watching the kids play, and she has her eye on this particular boy. She checks with Rolan, and ends up figuring that this kid is going to get Chosen. So here's my theory: The Companions wander around Valdemar (on their Heralds' missions, of course) and take mental note of possible Herald-candidates. The lot of them keep a list of children (mostly children) that have come to their attention, and when a Companion is ready, s/he goes out trotting in some direction until one of the candidates in that area meets his/her criteria both for Herald-ish possibilities and for personality traits. Rolan had particular trouble finding Talia because of the political situation that the new MO was going to have to fit into, and because no Companion or Herald had ever seen her. There are exceptions: whatsisname, Neave? the character who gives Talia a major scare during her training by showing her one of his memories--his Companion had to leave Valdemar to find him, which means he probably wouldn't have been on the "list". Same with Alberich, and Tashir. I suspect that the circumstances of "special" Choosings have to do with a specific kind of Companion's Foresight (Remember Yfandes telling Vanyel at the end that she knew their bond would come to this?) that they get along with their ability to "look into someone's soul" to decide if that someone could become a Herald --or maybe the "looking into the soul" is a looking into the possible futures, not into the present. Alberich's Companion couldn't have been there in time to save him without some kind of special knowlege that probably included Foresight...perhaps it's the urgency of the future-Chosen's distress that "calls" the Companion. I think that if the gods are so inclined to leave people alone, and even leave Companions alone, then they'd give the Companions the necessary Gifts and skills for finding the right Chosen, and otherwise letting them handle the matter. --Lee-- 97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu -- www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/ "What time is it?" --Dekker, P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: music "heyla" question Message-ID: hey folks! i like the recent music suggestions. I have to admit though, that I've never heard/heard of some of the selections. You lot are sure an eclectic bunch! BUT.. this is actually quite a good thing. With such a lot as you, you may have heard about the song that I'm about to ask you about!! It's a song by MOIST (excellent band IMO from the B.C. area) called "Machine Punch Through". I would swear (but not on my life which is why I'd like to confirm with you guys!) that the singer is singing "Heyla, heyla, heyla, heyla, heyla, heyla" (maybe even one more "heyla") after the words "Machine Punch Through" and to end the song. IS this so? IS "heyla" a very common salutation (I'd never heard heyla as a salutation prior to reading Misty's work) that a singer who is not a Misty fan would pick this word? Does anybody know anything about this song? Does anybody even know the song? Has anybody even HEARD OF the song? Well? Anyone? :) Full of questions (yeah, I'll shut up now), Viv vchoh-+AT+-sciborg.uwaterloo.ca bi189-+AT+-torfree.net vchoh-+AT+-optometry.watstar.uwaterloo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:59:49 -0800 From: Randi Skjaeran To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: valdemar--the real one Message-ID: <328AC365.6598-+AT+-sn.no> Time to test if I can send something to this list- Jacquelle said the real Valdemar had been king in Norway, and since that's my country and I'd never heard that it had me running for the encyclopedia. Valdemar the great, Danish king 1146-82 (unopposed from 1157) his son Valdemar, also king of Denmark, lived 1170-1241 Valdemar Atterdag king of Denmark 1340 (at 20 years old)-75 The danish kings seem to have been rather warlike, and expanded Denmarks borders and influence. Valdemar king of Sweden was rather tragic, king 1266-88 but forced to abdicate and locked up until his death in 1302 (relatives!). No mention of a norwegian king of the name, sorry! Name means something like "renowned owner/chieftain/great man". Since I'm already de-lurking from periodically reading this list, hello everybody! You've made me read all the Velgarth books once more. Except for SilverG and SBreaking, which haven't reached Norway yet. No spoilers PLEASE! Bridge (the card game) is my work, my hobby and kind of a way of life - but a son of 2 years and another child on the way has changed my perspective rather. Long bus trip to work gets some books read, just started Tanya Huff, "Sing the four quarters" has definitely made me want more. -- Erarre Humanum est. Randi :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: Wintershard To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: (good amount of fluff)Web page/catching up/thanks/newbies Message-ID: Yes, Silvermoon, I'll finally tell everyone. Just put down the hertasi, okay? . . . I've got a web page!!! Yay!!!! It's not much yet, but you can all come and visit me if you like. Then you can come and ridicule me on the list (j/k ;). Oh, BTW Renee, your page looks great! . . . Okay, I'll calm down now :-> ...But check out my new sig, too!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what happens? I go home for the weekend, and spend half the week trying to catch up on my ~reading~, let alone replying to all of this. Some of this stuff's a little old, but here goes --> RE Becoming a Herald I don't want to be a Herald, actually. Yes, the powers would be really great, but that self-sacrificing stuff just isn't for me. I get the impression sometimes that when a Herald sees the enemy army of five thousand approaching his/her group of 100, he won't run no matter what. I would - except if the hundred of us were Adepts or some such. That's probably why I wouldn't get Chosen, either. RE Visualizing books I can't remember who said it before, but I agree with the aura-theory to seeing characters. Unless the author does a really good job of describing them, I always see humans or humanoids(sp?) as somewhat of a blur. Now, give me gryphons, horse-likes, or other creatures, and the picture comes into much more detail for me. RE Visualizing music Whenever I'm singing by myself or the like, I always seem to close my eyes. This helps me concentrate on the music and sound, without the distraction of seeing things. Then, I usually see the music as something like each instrument being a line almost. Each line has it's own form, it's own thickness, and it's own color. (Can tell I take math, huh? :) But with the voice...that has a whole amount of lines all for itself. A few lines for the notes it's giving, some for the words, and some for the feeling it's trying to convey. My job as the performer is to conduct all of those lines to connect into the image I want, otherwise it's like making random scratches on paper with a pen - nobody understands it. RE The Cornell List Being a guy, I can't feel what a woman does upon hearing about something like this. I can say other things, though. If this list was something that started out as a joke between friends (the little stuff, not the rape reasons or the like), I can understand the beginning. I think we all do that at least once in a while (again, the small stuff) to at least one group or another. And such things are always meant in jest. However, somebody went to far to actually think of 1. Typing the list into e-mail (it should have stayed between RL friends), 2. Adding the really bad reasons to the list, and 3. Actually think of sending this to people. Getting off that track, though, I should also say that no one can change what has already been done. I can't say you'll forget seeing such things coming from real people's lips, but please, do get over it. Like so many people on-list have said before: hate breeds hate. Why succumb to it? RE Songs Although I can't think of a good place for it, how about Eric Clapton's new 'If I Could Change the World' ? It sounds beautiful, and is slow enough for some scenes to fit in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now, I must thank all of you for the lovely gifts I received for my efforts this week and past ... Cen! Why, if only you knew how happy it makes me feel that you want to kill me! And after all that hard work... Just for you, you lil' teaser you, I'll start right up again on another big storm. I'll try my hardest for you, since you flatter me so with such hostile words . I tried to stop the assembly, Summersong, really, but my Grand Worshipper told me to not to for some reason... That desparate, hmm Rainwood? Weelll, I dunno, it depends on what kind of sheep you'd give me, then I can at least try ;) Oh, and Deniz, you are ever so welcome for that little bit of a lot of rain - 'twas no problem. For the rest of you, thank you so much for the lovely complaints I've been hearing in the back of my head. It just darkens my spirit that favorite color of grey that I have . So, Cele, what do you think we should do in thanks? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- For any newbies on the list, please try and braid your threads so we only have a few big posts to the list instead of several small ones. Also, try to type more than paste, or get a good pair of asbestos underwear. It's really bad to have to scroll through thirty or so lines of paste to get to five or so of message. Erm, guess I need an Obmisty after all that, hmm? Okay, if you were to have another Sacred Ground book, exactly what would be the new 'bad guy?' _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-= Wintershard |Demon of Subtlety, Discreetness, and peallen-+AT+-naz.edu | Crappy Weather http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6620 |'Reincarnation: Life sucks, then you 'He who laughs last thinks slowest.' | die. Then life sucks again.' _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:29:26 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: valdemar--the real one Message-ID: > Jacquelle said the real Valdemar had been king in Norway, and since > that's my country and I'd never heard that it had me running for the > encyclopedia. I am sorry...I was just on Netscape looking it up when your mail arrived here...it is Denmark, not Norway, but thank you for the information. Jacaquelle :Really, Chosen, you need a better signature than this.: :Yes, oh, Wisest of the Wise.: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:32:03 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: the size of Valdemar Message-ID: I saw this in one of the desc. for a digest, but my server won't let me access it...so does anyone know what the size of Valdemar is (relative to something in US) If this is a FAQ, private email will suffice Jacquelle jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu :Really, Chosen, you need a better signature than this.: :Yes, oh, Wisest of the Wise.: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:26:32 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Samhain&X-files (lotsa fluff, with an obMisty about bondbirds) Message-ID: <961113162631_1614738407-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> First, thanks to everyone who helped answer this question! Rainwood said: << It is pronounced "sow-an" - although I've heard it pronounced "sow-ain", "so-ain", "so-an", and so on, and so on, and so on. . . (ducks coconut and pops up giggling) that's the way I've always said it, but everybody seems to have a certain twist. . . there ought to be a dissection of the sounds in a really good gaelic dictionary - Briana are you listening? And I watched about the first 5 minutes of that particular episode, burst into hysterical tears and forced my husband to give up the remote, it was so disturbing. >> Okay. That's what I thought, but I knew it wouldn't hurt to ask. I think you made a good move. It was a *very* disturbing episode. I'm usually not bothered by them, but that one seemed more possible than the others...or something. Plus I've only seen about 4 shows, so I'm not very accomadated to it. Summersong said: >>In the episode it was pronounced, I think, "sam-an", but I don't think you're supposed to pronounce the "m". And as for the episode, it was so disturbing, I could not keep my eyes off the screen. One of my friends called me during commercials, and I nearly chewed her out 'cuz it was my X-Files night. << I was pretty sure I heard it pronounced like it's spelled..Sam-hain. Whatever it was, it was pretty wrong. Eep, if the phone had rung, I probably would have jumped ten feet! If anyone has a dying, curious need to know the topic of the show, e-mail me privately. I don't think any of us want to mention it on the list. ObMisty-What was it? Ack...=b. I don't remember...oh yes! I can never keep Firesong's bondbird, Aya, as I male in my mind either. I always think it's female. I think it's the "a." And...something I noticed, but I could be mistaken. Are all bondbirds and their Tayledras the same gender? All the one's I can think of are...Darkwind and Vree, I'm pretty sure Dawnfire's was, Wintermoon's owls, Corwith and k'Tavi?, both of Starblade's, Aya and Firesong. That's all the characters I can think of. Am I right? Lady Silvermoon LIG, Leader of the DDMF, Goddess of Sensitivity "i'd die in your arms if you were dead too here comes a lie we will always be true." _Little Things_ Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:04:39 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: kestra'cherns/ cliff hangers/ Herald? Message-ID: Bright Greetings, listsibs! It's been so long since I've posted, I feel almost like a newbie! (Despite the fact that my one year anniversary on the list was six weeks ago--how time flies....) I think my work-induced descent into lurk mode should be just about over. Finally! ("Everyone run! She's back!" "Hey--I heard that!") There are several threads, most of them rather old, that I wanted to reply to. I *did* toss the ones more than a week old. (My personal take on the Statute of Limitations.) Re: lifebonded kestra'cherns On Sunday, Nov 10, Lee wrote: > That suggests to me that lifebonded pairs are definitely monogamous, > and if a lifebonded person can be a kestra'chern, as Amberdrake > still is, then any kestra'chern could have a monogamous relationship I have to disagree here. I think maybe you're applying our society's morals. In Tayledras society, monogamy isn't really a big deal. Remember Elspeth's comments in SW, indicating that partnered Tayledras normally *do* have other partners. Their hearts may be monogamous, but their bodies sure aren't! So, really, I don't see why a lifebonded kestra'chern would have to alter his/her duties at all. But that's just IMO. ........................ Re: Cliff hanging endings to Storm series No, 'Reesa, it wasn't just you. They all struck me as being evil and cruel that way. (Yeah, I hate those tv season finale episodes, too. They drive me up a wall!) And you tell those Men in White that if they lay one single hand on you, they'll have to deal with one enraged Lady in Green! ........................ Re: Would I want to be a Herald? To be honest, I don't think I'm really Herald material. I'm not noble enough, and self-sacrifice just isn't my style. And I'm stubborn enough that no Companion in history would ever want to deal with me. But, like Heather, if one of them was so foolish as to Choose me, I don't think I could say no. The guilt ever after, and wondering if I could have prevented terrible happenings, would probably kill me! I'd like to welcome all our new members! I hope you enjoy it as much as I have! Oh, before I go. For anyone who might care, my e-mail address changed this week, due to a server change at work. And that's it for me! Time to go home! May your path be bright this day! Tammy tharris-+AT+-mdep.iupui.edu "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 16:59:14 -0500 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Brvaes Reacts In Shock At Ammount Of Non-Deleted Old Posts Message-ID: <9611132204.AA10985-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> Argh...I got desubbed for awhiles, until teh ever-Wondrous Auntie Mel fixed it at 'round 6 am, so here's my braid for yesserday...todays will come when I read the mail;> today, trying to get my email, something went wrong..disk full error;> zero k left;> from EMAIL! My read email folder takes up around 250 megs! And this is only from the past year of mistylist or so! 'tis amazing...what? delete some of it? never! I just moved marathon and pagemaker to my 2 gig hd;> >If you really want to talk about a weird mix-up, am I the only one who >can*not* think of Altra as male/masculine? No matter how many little >reminders the text provides, Altra remains obdurately female in my mind. Yeah, it's you, Ken;> I never even thought of the possibilty of it...if only since there's only been two female suns of the sun, and one was evil and the other's still walking around, cursing imperials, interrogating priests, etc. etc.... >BTW, since so many people have expressed interest in this aspect of >English, I have decided that for this list, I shall revive "thou" for my >own postings. Ooo..thanks, Ken;> Now I can really LEARN it! >Speaking of which, how come none of Misty's characters suffer from PMS? You're right. Which is weird, b/c of the lecture in JH. >There's a book out there called "teach yourslef Irish" or irish gaelic, I >can't remember, but its really good, though I've forgotten nearly all my >Irish Gaelic. Ooo! I have a book with a title near that...but I left it at school:( sorry:( >And I think we should get off the Mac/IBM debate 'cause It will go on 4eva! >and also Mac users would lose :) That's it, Jaiook. I have a big PROBLEM with back-biting endings/apologies over arguements/flames...so just stop the whole thing NOW. Or else I'll flame. And I won't use the topic of thread, either. so stop, please. >And Yfandes did on occasion run into stallions, true. I remember one >instance where Van groomed her before getting to the in just so she >could flirt, yesnomaybe? you mean the stallion with the beautiful...nose?;P >Also, "a little fall of rain" or what ever the heck that song is called. >Maybe that's not it at all. The one "the pavement shines like silver,/ all >the lights are misty in the river"... "and the tiger's come at night/ with >their voices soft as thunder..." . It was brought to my mind very suddenly >in several of the scenes. Actually, that's two different songs...the first one is "On My Own," sung by Eponine..and the second is "I Dreamed A Dream," by Fantine. >AoftQ, pge. 102 -- "His features were so perfect they didn't seem to be >real, every raven hair was neatly in place, and his sky-blue eyes would >have been the envy of any court beauty." Ah hah..I think it might be the normal ol' "Blonde hair blue eyes" stereotype? >The Curse of the Pink Wand is a term used to describe straight women >who have an alarming tendency to fall for gay men. The Ladies of >the Pink Wand are a list society of straight women who fall for >fictional gay men (including list personas of gay memebers, such as >yours truly ). There's a nifty email group now, run by the Chairfairy >of the Ladies, the ever-scrumptious Lilac Fairy. :) aHEM! And there's us Champions too! The whole thing: straight women who fall for fictional/list shaych men become Ladies, straight males are Champions, shaych males are Objects of UNrequited Love/Lust, and I guess shaych females are Wand-Sworn CHampions, tho we only have one of those--well, we only have one champion, (me), too..and the list is MORE that nifty! It's kewl;> Oh, Firebird is good;> MOre when I'm done;> -+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile. |B E|______________________________________________________________|E D|God did not create the world in 7 days; he screwed around for |D .|6 days and then pulled an all-nighter. |. N|--------------------------------------------------------------|N E|When I was in school,I cheated on my metaphysics exam:I looked|E T|into the soul of the boy sitting next to me. --Woody Allen |T -+AT+-__________________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________________-+AT+- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:30:15 -0600 (CST) From: GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK Subject: Blondes, B-days,Books and wandering mates Message-ID: <961113163015.22b87b31-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu> First off, Deniz...Carrach is MY mate, NOT rainwood's! There, now that I have him back where he belongs, I can go on with the rest. *grin* Larrisa, I claim sanctuary in my disclaimer: Outdated stereotyping.. and I'm a red-head so I of course, (yeh, right) believe all stereotypes about all the poor brunettes and blondes out there *giggle*. Kory, my ever favorite elf, I loved the Pegasus book too, but I realy like the Rowan and Damia books too..I guess that unless the book has a sad or really bad ending, that I enjoy them and will forgive just about anything else. I think I also tend to suspend my belief a little more than most people are willing to..(yes, my beliefs are hanging out at about the 30,000 ft elevation)*grin* HTH, I was going to try to refute you about IACBTMN, by celine, but as I finished your wonderfully, texevd posting, I realised that once again you are right, but I so love that song..Hey Di and Andre seem to be having problems, so maybe for them? They seem pretty hot. Cat\/\/oman, a slightly belated happy birthday! And for a gift, a virutal kitten, that never grows up, never needs smelly cat food and doesn't need a litterbox,so you won't have to clean it! Anderson aka Dawn, a belated happy birthday as well! I gift you with a silver unicorn horn that turns all bad days into good ones! Jake, *pout* you have spurned my petition and so...I shall join the MIW in retailiation! So, nyah! :P *giggle* Well, that wraps it up.. Dax the Eternal, Lady of the Unicorns "Unicorns may be betray'd with trees And bears with glasses, Elephants with holes, Lions with toild, and Men with flatterers." -Shakespeare ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Godhood appointments. Message-ID: Heyla, everyone. I have some good news for all of the Gods in waiting. I have been corresponding with Lady Thessaly privately, and she says that it may be some time time before she can rejoin our happy family. This isn't the good news, of course. The good news is, when I mentioned all of the people who are waiting to become Gods, I told her that in her absence, I was willing to become her avatar. And voila: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Lady Thessa wrote: > Cennydd wrote: > >I was wondering what you would think of > >making me your avatar, with the power to Name deities provisionally, > >pending your final approval at some later date (a confirmation ceremony > >when/if you return to the list)? As the God of Karma, it would even be > >plausible, since theoretically it is within my power to arrange > >deification for anyone in their next life (as a reward for exemplary > >living). This would just be a case of extending my province slightly, > >by your grace. > *************** > I hereby permanently Name you God of Karma, and My Avatar, Avatar of > Nomenclature. Do my duties well, and your own Karma shall forever be as > pristine as a sparkling brand new computer homepage with nothing yet written > on it. All hail, my Avatar, and collect many good tithes, of which I only > expect to get in on the edible goodies, which I'll greedily grab 10% of. > (The rest is payment, even Avatars have to eat.) So, the good news (you knew that I would eventually get to it, right?) is that all of you God(ess)s in waiting can now make your applications and be named to your Positions. To facilitate this, could all of the currently named deities let me know who you are and what you are deities of? And all of the hopefuls should send me a message saying what you want to be the deity of and why. As soon as I get stuff sorted out, I will have the naming ceremonies. So, huzzah! We can get on with the divine madness. =) BTW, Lady Thess sends her greetings and says: "I really miss the heck out of all of you." May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, God of Karma Avatar of the Goddess of Nomenclature Mage of the Green Silences Linguistics Instructor Harried Grad Student Part-time Airhead Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:21:14 -0500 From: Larissa march To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Getting Chosen/visiting Valdemar Message-ID: <328A57EA.1A76-+AT+-javanet.com> Eleonora Scoseria wrote: > > Please somebody, I would like to find that story of Alberich getting chosen, > and I accidentally deleted the message where soemone said it was. Can you > please tell me? > > Ele > Priestess of Karma I found it in a book called, I think, Horse Fantastic, or something like that. An anthology - I picked it up semi randomly at the library, so I'm not entirely sure. Kit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:55:58 -0600 (CST) From: "V. Brockmeier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: deification Message-ID: First, someone please explain to me what this whole thing is about deifing ourselves. Then, is there yet a water goddess? If so this Pisces would like to apply for the job--if anyone likes I would be happy to post a piece of writing of mine entitled "devotional"--a rain worship odd sort of thing. I don't generally write in a reverent tone, but it was appropriate for the day. . . . --vix ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:44:28 -0600 (CST) From: "V. Brockmeier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Priestess Message-ID: OK, I'm new to this list; in fact, I'm fairly new to the whole e-mail thing. But this quote struck kind of close to home--I had to put in my bit. > _______ > > :We only know what we're told, and that's little enough. And for all we > know it isn't even true. > > :For all anyone knows, nothing is. Everything has to be taken on trust; > truth is only that which is taken to be true. It's the currency of living. > There may be nothing behind it, but it doesn't make any difference so long > as it is honoured. One acts on assumptions. What do you assume? > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > I assume nothing, and in doing so free myself to act on all the mundane little assumptions necessary to exist as a freshman physics major in Iowa City dealing with bipolar disorder and obnoxious party-girls for neighbors. I'm a Taoist--so I can just say, Of course it's all a lie! But it's a lie we're all caught up in equally, so we have to accept it as truth even though there is absolutely no evidence to support that assertion, and even though there's quite a lot of intuition to the contrary. Even intuition is part of the false fabric of reality, and so it's no more valid than anything else. The only problem arises when people really start to believe they exist. As Michael Stipe said, "I have water, I have rum; wait for tomorrow and dawn shall come." --vix ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:14:38 CST From: "Brandon J Heins" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Greetings to you all Message-ID: <167BD031B31-+AT+-UIU-FAYETTE-1.UPPER-IOWA-UNIV.UIU.EDU> Bright the day, gay ones. I hope to bring much joy and wisdom and to share my life with you all. Bye for now. The wings of the wind They bring me to you To learn and to teach To make my self true. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:41:28 -0600 From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: Golden Bough +Heralds Creed/more Herald thoughts/Vanyel Message-ID: HtH wrote: > Shadow Stalker: Subtitled "Songs from Vanyel's time." The songs from >Magic's Price, plus several more. Heather Alexander sings everything. >Mostly gorgeous, occasionally annoying (most people go ballistic over >"Herald's Creed," There appears to be a consensus that Heralds Creed is the worst song ever written and what in HELL is it doing on the otherwise lovely Shadow Stalker CD. (In general: I agree with Heather about Magic's Price, too). But I have a theory as to the origin of the Herald's Creed: remember the Bad Song Contest in Magic's Price. ".....badly rhymed, badly scanned, you name it. Right now Van is going through some drivel about being trapped in a magic circle for seventeen years, and it may take him seventeen years to sing it." Perhaps Alexander et al threw this song in as a representative of said contest; some second rate rhymster's idea of what it means to be a Herald . But those last two songs do bother me , a lot, and I usually forward through them like they aren't there. Besides being horrible, Herald's creed in anticlimactic. I think the final song on the cd should be a ballad about Stefen and Vanyel, or perhaps a haunting requiem for Vanyel, written by Stefen. Kris had a beautiful eulogy: I find it hard to believe that Vanyel wouldn't, considering circumstances. More on becoming a Herald: I can see some severe crises of self-esteem arising among youngsters in Valdemar who are good people kind, and generous, gentle and pure, but not Chosen for whatever reason. "Heralds are good: so that must mean I'm bad, because I wasn't Chosen." Does'nt make being a Herald any less wonderful, or special, or good or necessary. And admittedly, any child who would think so badly of themselves probably has something much more severe at the root of if. Just a new thing to think about. BTW, how does Vanyel *always* know what to do? I know he was trained by Starwind, but did that cover him for the rest of his life? Was a lot of it instinct and talent? Did he have to practice? Talk about special!!!! Go Gently, Tresta %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Tresta shena Jor'ethan "Love must live free." Healer to horses -Shin'a'in Teaching %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us." %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:44:17 -0500 From: Hades16-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Q? When is Florian going to Choose Karal/songs/Mishi's malltrip/religion/misc. Message-ID: <961113184417_138357296-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> I'm sorry if my ideas are a bit choppy, but I came up with many of them while eating ice cream from two different cartins at 1:30 in the morning. (If anyone else had the urge to do that on 11/13 early in the morning, mail me. We could be kindred spirits or better yet soulmates...I digress) However, while I am digressing, I might as well go "whole hog" (a phrase that I think Andrew Jackson used when he was running for president, whoops, digressing WHILE digressing. Certainly have that) anyways, what I meant to say was that I think "Yes I Am" is a good song for Vanyel and Yfandes. But a GREAT song for Vanyel and Tylendal/Stefen would be "Sanctuaryt" by Madonna (no boooing, hear me out) The first couple lines go: Who needs the sun When the rain's so full of life Who needs the sky When the ground's so open wide It's here in your arms I want to be buried You are my sanctuary What do ya'll think? (If I am crazy, please tell me so. Being crazy is kinda like having food in your teeth. It is embarassing to be told, but even more embarassing not to know. Well after that analogy, that might change your answer.) oh well, back to the topic at hand. "which hand?" you might ask. the left of course. but that does not matter. "which hand?" is a stupid question to begin with and you all should be ashamed of having asked it! Anywho, when is Florian going to choose Karal. We all know it is going to happen, just a matter of when. ---------------------------------------------------------------- right on 97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu (Lee) with the whole religous interpertation. i would caution everyone not to go to in depth into the book's religion since by religions very nature, words are pitiful to properly express its nuances --------------=-==============---------------------------===================- dear Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness, Lady of the Pink Wand Christania Mall is OK, but not great. Try Cherry Hill Mall or the Gallery in Phil. ps-THose who have read Mage Storms III do not give too much away. BTW (By The Way)- please respond because this is my first time mailing something onto the list and if no one responds I will be crushed to the point of jumping off a building...well, a really small one. love , Hades "When the tide becomes to strong to resist take a deep breath and prepare to see what those above cannot." myself ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:44:33 -0500 From: Hades16-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dixon artwork Message-ID: <961113184431_138357384-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com> I agree with the both of you. God bless his soul for trying, but Larry just does not capture what I see in my head. The figures lack a certain amount of...well...zhirnnay say quay...(any French people are welcome to yell at me for butchering their language). They do not seem three dimensional to me. oh well. kay sara, sara (there I go again) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:05:18 +1000 From: Melanie Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Firecats/Van&Stef/Leslac/new books Message-ID: <328A623E.27D1-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au> Hth wrote: > I see what you mean about Firecats "seeming" groveborn. In a way, I > think they are. I don't imagine they were raised by plain ol' > housecats, after all (wouldn't that be odd? being the only one of your > family with human intelligence -- not that we don't all feel that way > sometimes ), and they can't reproduce with each other as Companions > do, because there weren't any females before Solaris, and she's not dead > yet (not dead yet!) So they must have "manifested" somehow instead of > being born the conventional way -- a la the groveborn Companions. Yup, that's mentioned in... aaaah... I think Storm Warning. Karal says they just turn up around whoever they're supposed to be with. They have got one big difference from GB companions, though - they can temporarily go back to wherever they came from whenever they want! (At least, that's what I assume Altra is doing whenever he pops out and later reappears with mystic warnings and suchlike... anyone agree? Disagree? Just want to start an argument? ) > I assume Vanyel and Stef can still have sex in the Forest of Sorrows. I > can tell you this much: if I *ever* find out that they can't, that is > it, and I am never reading, let alone buying, another Mercedes Lackey > book as long as I live. I doubt I'd stop buying Misty - but boy would I be pissed off!!!!! I'm sure they can, though - after Stef went through all that trouble for 60 years or so, going on without Vanyel, writing songs and arguing to get Valdemarans to accept "ordinary" Heralds as "good enough", any deity who would fix things so that they were together but couldn't DO anything would NOT be my idea of a good god(dess)!!!!! /\/\/\/\/\ Summersong and Spiffy wrote: > Well, I think that someone (it was either Twoblades or Dryvale) arranged > for Leslac to marry a crusty sort of noble woman, and there has been a > discussion of "Is the woman the countess from It Was A Dark And Stormy > Night?" I personally think it is. It was Herald Roald; he got Tarma to give him several Shin'a'in mares, at least one guaranteed in-foal, in return for getting Leslac out of her hair permanently, then bribed whatsisface the newly installed King of Rethwellen with the pregnant mare to make Leslac marry the Countess. She wasn't crusty, though, she was a bit weak-minded and very sweet; the crusty one from Dark And Stormy Night was her sister, who died before Leslac came on the scene. /\/\/\/\/\ Listmistress Mel-With-The-Cool-Name wrote: > For those who are in the UK, or who order books from the UK, New Worlds on > Charing Cross Road had a pile of copies of _Firebird_ when I was in there > yesterday (and Forbidden Planet didn't have any on Monday). The phone > number's in the FAQ. growl. We won't get that in Australia for *ages*... > (Offtopic, for those who are Pratchett fans, he's signing _Hogfather_ at > Forbidden Planet this coming Saturday. I know from past experience that > that means a _very_ long queue, so I've ordered my copy to be posted to me) *sniff*! Another great book I've got to wait for... any information on what it's about? who's in it? I shall have to go home and console myself with my signed copy of 'Maskerade'... y'know, Pterry is a *very* nice guy in person... Mel the Redcap Redcap of the Pink Wand Potential Goddess of Supernaturally Scary Socks (not digests!) today wearing boring socks to lull people into a false sense of security... ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 945 *********************************