MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 976 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Reply to: Willow by Rozanna McNeer 2) Sword of Ice/cover art/braiding by undine 3) Re: Bisexuals by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 4) Van's Final Strike by KayCeeFour-+AT+-aol.com 5) RE: injured companions by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 6) Medecine by Renee Mic Markowicz 7) god/unix and braiding/books/The Scarlett Letter and Van by Becky Anne Christensen 8) Re: god/unix and braiding/books/The Scarlett Letter and Van by Korendil 9) [Off-topic]Misty...Live!/Addresses/Need your help by Lady Windsong 10) Re:adresses by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: Sarcasm/Van Again/Dave/Kory by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com 12) Pine and Braiding/Savil by Renee Mic Markowicz 13) Re:adresses by Renee Mic Markowicz 14) Degrees/Fire Rose/Hungry?/bi all means/religions? by dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA 15) Re: adresses by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com 16) good books/bisexuals/proposal by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> 17) Re: So It Wasn't My Last Post... by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" 18) Re: Van's Final Strike by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:04:05 -0500 From: Rozanna McNeer To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Reply to: Willow Message-ID: <199611212222_MC1-C51-22D6-+AT+-compuserve.com> Mat asked re Willow: > It's called _Shadow Moon_ and it takes place after the movie. Apparently, >Bavmorda wasn't the one Elora Dannan was supposed to overthrow. >There's also more books in the series to come. Incidently, does anyone >know the next book's title (I've forgotten it) and its release date? Mattikins! It's SHADOW DAWN and it was already supposed to be out Is anyone reminded of oh, say, 'Robert Jordan?' I've told him this three times already Firemist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:23:11 -0500 (EST) From: undine To: list lackey Subject: Sword of Ice/cover art/braiding Message-ID: Ele asked about _Sword of Ice_. It's a paperback anthology edited by Misty due out (in the US) in December/January. So far the only author I've seen mentioned is Mark Sherman. And I keep thinking that maybe, somewhere I saw Elisabeth Waters mentioned as a contributor but that could just be one of my many delusions *grin*. ************ Wintershard, I don't believe that authors always have a say about the artwork that's on their books. I've actually heard/listened to quite a few gripe about inconsistancies or even inapprpriate covers. What I'm curious about is how much info do art directors give artists when commissioning cover art? Anyone know? ****************** Braiding: I realize that not not everyone has the ability to cut and paste. However, everyone does have the ability to refrain from quoting several lines of a previous post just to add the equivalent of "Me too." Some of us have time/money constraints when reading our email. So please bear that in mind and save up your one-liners and write them into One Post. Please. :) And while I'm in lecture mode--Please, Please Change Your Subject Headings!! ********************** Has anyone read _Hogfather_ by the much worshipped Pterry? Is it wonderful? What about _Red Star Rising_ by Anne McCaffrey? I've got the chance to order both from an import company...but $36 a piece is a rather large chunk of money for a starving bookstore owner *grin* So I'm soliciting opinions before I take the plunge. WTTW, Undine Bibliomancer to the LotPW stafford-+AT+-iac.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:27:18 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bisexuals Message-ID: <7CC74521D-+AT+-future.judson.edu> Does Sherri count as a bi? isn't the quote something like.."Sherri, who had many lovers, but never stayed with any.." Talia's thinking it...I always read that to mean that she was having physical relationships with men, until that point--which was when Keren needed her, and she then realized that she was shaych. Did anyone else see it this way? Jacquelle Ex astris, scientia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:22:52 -0500 From: KayCeeFour-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van's Final Strike Message-ID: <961121222251_140825882-+AT+-emout02.mail.aol.com> Would Van have thought of collapsing the cliffs? IMNSHO, I really don't think so. Mainly, Van is a flatlander. He did not grow up around mountains and there are no mountains in Valdemar. The only 2 ranges close, are The Combs, which in Van's time are in completely inside Rethwellan and Karse, and not the border that it is in Selenay's time, and The Ice Wall Mountains in the north and his confrontation with Learth at the end of MPrice is the 1st time he's ever been there. So there isn't any way he would have any practical experience with mountains or the damage rockslides can do. People who don't live near mountains do not think of them in these terms. To them they are permanent barriers that do not change. Passes might be closed by snow and ice, but seldom do they think of rock slides or avalanches. Also, there wasn't time for Van to consider this option or even to implement it if he had. When they reached the pass, it was mid-afternoon. By the time they reached the top of the pass, it was full night with a full moon illuminating Learth's army on the other side of the pass: pg 319 Daw ed _MPrice_ "They covered the meadow, the snow was black with them, and they were not camped for the night; there were no bivouacs, no campfires, just rank after rank of men, lined up like a child's toy soldiers." The army was about to invade Valdemar that night. Van didn't even have time to get to the bottom of the pass by taking the path. ".. he climbed down the sheer slope to the floor of the new trail. (MPrice pg 320). In the dark, Van climbs down a very steep, mage-cut wall approximately 60 feet high, without any climbing gear or other equipment. Even in full daylight with gear, this would be a tough climb, especially for someone, like Van, who has very little or no experience climbing mountains. After he climbs down, he runs back to the end of the new pass where it joins the old pass (the narrowest part) and waits for the army to arrive. And this was wide enought that the army marched through at least 4 or 5 abreast. The army didn't take very long to arrive either. The only preparations he had time to make were to bring in storm clouds and set up lines to the nodes through his focus. The army arrives just after he gets the storm clouds into position over the pass. Plus, the 1st thing Van notices as he waits at the head of the pass, is that this is the exact place he had been dreaming about all these years. Dreams in which he lost everything. This has got to have been very nerve wracking and distracting. Where in all this does he even have time to cause a rockslide big enough to close off this pass? This pass is even wider than most of the roads in Haven and as I mentioned earlier, Van does not have the mind set to think about bringing down the walls of the pass. The rockslides mentioned on the old pass (much, much narrower) didn't even completely close off that trail, so how was he to bring down enough to close off the pass? I just don't see it happening or Van even seriously thinking about it. Besides, I don't think it would have worked anyway. Remember, when everything was over, and Stef is hunting for Van's body, the only thing he finds is "blackened, burned and mangled bodies". Nowhere is the any mention of rocks littering the pass, it is still wide open. Van's Final Strike would have brought down the walls, if anything could have. If the energy release at that moment was enough to wipe out most of the army in the pass, and still did nothing to the walls, I don't think anything Van could have thrown at the walls earlier could closed off the pass either. Throwing my coppers into the pot. ------------------------------------- Kerry Mealing wrote: >>Cheers, Kerry.. Yeah, that's male for anyone who cares. No, it's not effeminate, step outside and we'll prove it. :)<< All I have to say is "Ditto" KC (the other Kerry) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:29:24 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: injured companions Message-ID: <7D5987E96-+AT+-future.judson.edu> Actually, when I think of injured Companions, I think of REALLY injured. What would happen if a Companion broke its leg? Something serious like that. Do they ever get sick? They are mortal, they have bodies of horses, why don't they ever physically react that way? Jacquelle Ex astris, scientia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Mic Markowicz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Medecine Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 haineca-+AT+-earlham.edu wrote: > ObMisty: Ever noticed that none of Misty's characters seem to have bad > reactions to the medicine that they are taking? (Really pathetic, but I > have been playing antibiotic du jour recently. Most antibiotics seem to > make me break out in hives or something nasty like that.) Yes they do! Yes they do! (Sorry! Band induced hyperactivity! It happens to me quite often...) :) In AotQ after Talia takes her cold dunking in the lake... "With his [Devan] aid she drank it as quickly as she could, trying not to taste it." And when Karal has his bad stomach: Talia "...I'll have the Healers send you over some medicines. Better yet, I'll send one of the Healers there in person." He [Karal] scowled, adn she laughed. Those sounded like pretty adverse reactions to me! :) Okay. Calm down. Uh oh. I don't think I can! Help! (Actually, on second thought, and upon reflection - music induced hyperactivity can be useful when it's 10:30 PM and you still have two labs to do and a test to study for. You didn't think I forgot my duties, did ya Mat? Huh? Huh? ) *giggle* *snicker* *belly laugh* *chuckle* ..... Renee Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold flare-+AT+-udel.edu |"I'm trying to find a polite way of saying 'drop University of Delaware |dead' and not having much luck." Pre-Veterinary student | -Vlad Taltos **High Priestess of |"Don't bother being polite. I died before the Procrastination** |Interregnum. Will you take the job?" Confused? Just Ask! | -Sethra Lavode http://udel.edu/~flare/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: god/unix and braiding/books/The Scarlett Letter and Van Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Wintershard wrote: > Lady Becky wrote: > >>Could God create a rock too big for him to move????? << > > Well, assuming he can create anything, I would say no. Follow me for a > sec - God is all powerful, right? Thus he can't create something more > powerful than himself, ie a rock too big for him to move. > But if he's all powerful, then that means he can do *anything*, right? Even create something more powerful than himself. I don't know the answer, my head just runs around in little circles all day long. ---------------------- > In unix, which I take Danya's using according to the same friend > (I trust him more this time, since he uses the client in question), > braiding is possible in pine. > I am using pine, and I can testify that trying to braid in pine is one big pain in the neck. Our regular Unix prompt thingy, there is no mouse, which pretty much makes cut and paste obselete. You would have to copy everything into pico, and then edit, and then get it back into pine somehow, and then edit some more, and *then* send it. Fun. Luckily, we also got x windows, which does use a mouse, and makes braiding easier. I try to braid, but don't always get around to it, I usually only get to check my mail for a few minutes at a time, throughout the day, so trying to do all the mail at one time is impossible. I apologize if not always braiding causes people trouble, but it's the same amount of mail to read through, you just get to go through it faster because it's short. Instead of spending ten minutes on one piece of mail, you can zip through five! Sounds like a deal to me :) Okay, I'm rambling now, time to shut up. ___________________________________ Since you guys tend to be a well read bunch, I have a question of you. Would you reccomend reading Wuthering Heights? It sounds like a really sweet story, but is it any good? And also, was Sense and Sensibility based on a book? Or was it originally made for a movie? It's one of my all time favorites (w/ Breakfast at Tiffany's, Barefoot in the Park, and Herbie the Love Bug) It sounds like it would make a really cool book. --------------------------- Okay, be prepared everyone, I'm going to quickly add my only but to this Van thing. Today I finally got the significance of the last line in The Scarlett Letter (a few weeks after we finish it of course :)) "In a field, sable, the letter A, gules." It makes the whole novel more wonderful and tragically sad. Now, I knew from the very beginning that Hester and Dimmesdale wouldn't live happily ever after, the whole tone and little clues of the books set that clearly in my mind from the first chapter. It wasn't a happy go lucky love story. The book would have been completely ruined if they had sailed off in the boat to England and lived happily ever after. It suddenly takes all the meaning and foundation that you've been building up through the whole novel and destroys it. That is essentially the way I feel about TLHM. There, that's it. To those of you who haven't read The Scarlet Letter, I apologize for confusing you, we were talking about it today, and this popped into my head. The last line sums up the whole book and story, and the essence of their life, it just wouldn't be the same if they lived happily. I'd be left saying, "But what about this...and what about that!" and being generally mad at the book. Bye! *--------------------Lady Becky of the Hills--------------------* |Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals | |Handmaiden of Procrastination | |Lady in Green | |Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.) | |Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html| |beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com | *---------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 23:46:44 -0500 From: Korendil To: Subject: Re: god/unix and braiding/books/The Scarlett Letter and Van Message-ID: <9611220452.AA17427-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> > But if he's all powerful, then that means he can do *anything*, >right? Even create something more powerful than himself. YOu know, I'm gonna be thinking about this forever now;> >I am using pine, and I can testify that trying to braid in pine >is one big pain in the neck. Well, I asked my friend again, and so ensued the following: Korendil: ash? htf do you braid in pine? someone says you can't easily LordWurm: lheh LordWurm: dunno LordWurm: i've done it before, tho LordWurm: don't remember Korendil: was it hard? LordWurm: don't remember I'll believe you, Becky;> >And also, was Sense and Sensibility based on a book? Or was it originally >made for a movie? It's one of my all time favorites (w/ Breakfast at >Tiffany's, Barefoot in the Park, and Herbie the Love Bug) It sounds like >it would make a really cool book. SIgh. Yes. It. Was. By some little hack writer no-one's ever heard of, too...name something like..Jane Austen?;> -+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile. |B E|______________________________________________________________|E D|God did not create the world in 7 days; he screwed around for |D .|6 days and then pulled an all-nighter. |. N|--------------------------------------------------------------|N E|When I was in school,I cheated on my metaphysics exam:I looked|E T|into the soul of the boy sitting next to me. --Woody Allen |T -+AT+-__________________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________________-+AT+- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:59:03 +0800 From: Lady Windsong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: [Off-topic]Misty...Live!/Addresses/Need your help Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961122125814.1def3932-+AT+-singnet.com.sg> Heyla, y'all! I know, this post is mostly off-topic, sorry everyone! I didn't mean to delurk after so long with an off-topic post, really... First of all, to reply to Mat: Yes, I loved _Some Kind of Hero_, and I kinda liked _Jack the Slob_. I liked the whole tape, in fact! Re: Mailing Addresses Also, I'd like to ask y'all for your mailing addresses too, for the same reason as Lady Becky, Christmas is just round the corner! Please? I promise I won't give them to anyone, not at all. Thank you very much. Oh, and please respong via private email, the address is below! Next, and this is the *really* off topic part: My friends and I are starting a fantasy magazine/newsletter, and we would really like suggestions on what to put in it from you if you would be so kind, and have the time, of course!! Oh, and if there are any Singaporeans on the list at the moment, would you please contact us? I'll keep this short since it's off topic, please, if you have any thoughts about this, do email me at or Stormwind at . Thank you all for listening to me. :) Have a great day! Walk in Peace always, Lady Windsong in Green. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:08:56 -0500 From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:adresses Message-ID: <961122000856_1452678201-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-11-21 01:12:01 EST, you write: > Oh yeah, and anyone who would feel comfortable doing so, could I > please have your mailing adress? I promise I won't put it on a web page, > or give it to anyone, but christmas is coming, and I want to be able to > send christmas cards to you guys. :) Send it private e-mail, no need to > clutter the list up. Thank you very much!!!!!! How sweet! Of course you can have mine, it's: 3425A Rebbecca Lane Colorado Springs, CO 80917 And of course, I'll want yours, so I can send you one : ). Blessed Be, NightShade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:09:06 -0500 From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sarcasm/Van Again/Dave/Kory Message-ID: <961122000906_705534649-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com> In response to Dan's question about Iftel: Read Storm Breaking and you'll have your answer. ============================================================= Okay, I know I said I wasn't going to say anymore about Van, but there's something I have to say regarding the Final Strike. I feel that it truly was necessary, Van's only option was to take Leareth out with the Final Strike, nothing else was powerful enough. Sure, if he had had more power he could have held them off till help came, but the point is he *didn't*. If he hadn't called the Final Strike he would have *failed*, Van could never have stood for that. He was the only one who could stop Leareth, and he almost didn't, he came so close to losing it isn't funny. Where would Valdemar have been if he had lost? With no HeraldMages left, they would have been up s***creek without a paddle. Yes, Misty could have worked it so he could have won, but I have to aggree with the others that it wouldn't have been as powerful, it would have been a copout. Also, I think it was true to Van's character, given no other options, it's what he would have done, and what he did do to save Valdemar. Anyway, that's enough, I've said what I needed to say. This isn't an attack, though, just an opinion, that's all. ============================================================= Kerry wrote: > Misty's character Dave, who sacrifices himself nobly (Say, > out of curiosity, do you consider his death to be a cop-out as well?). Hmm, well, I don't know if I consider it a cop out, I do know I *hated* it. I don't think it was necessary, but really, I'd have to go back and read it again. It's possible that it was as necessary as Van's death. Remember, Dave was a psychic vampire hooked permanently (according to Di) on bad vibes (negative emotions), he couldn't help killing people to satisfy his hunger, and he hated himself for it. Much as I hate it, his death was an out for him, he didn't have much of a future. But, Misty didn't have to write it that way, she could have found a way to heal him, so he could go back to feeding off of the positive emotions. ============================================================= Kory answered my question on thees and thous: > Oh, they're right--but they're wrong;> I'm your God. I use thee's and = > thou's with you, but not the other way around!;P YOu should be nice = > and proper and mundance with your God and use you.;> Awwww . Some people just take all the fun out of life . Oh, alright, makes note of Lord Korendil, God Of Night and Pointy Eared Party-Pooper's 1st Rule of Proper Preistess/Deity Conduct:The High Priestess Shalt Not Make Use Of Thee&Thou When Addressing The God Of Night. Sigh, meanie. NightShade retires to sulk ; ). ============================================================= Well, think that's about it for now, but I'm *not* promising I won't have more later :P. Oh, quick question, could someone else who's on Aol tell me how to make a sig, please ? That way I wouldn't have to type it out. Blessed Be, NightShade, OIB, LotPW, High Priestess Of All Things Nocturnal, & Knight of The OAM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:46:52 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Mic Markowicz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Pine and Braiding/Savil Message-ID: BTW, if you don't use Pine, you can skip to the next part. Lady Becky groaned: > I am using pine, and I can testify that trying to braid in pine >is one big pain in the neck. OY! I sympathise. As a fellow Pine user I can attest to the impossibility of braiding. BUT! I found a way! All right, I won't keep you in suspense any longer. If you want to respond to a message as part of a braid, save it. My default folder is saved-messages and after I hit the 's' key to save something, I have to type "saved-messages". Well, instead of typing "saved-messages" or whatever is between your brackets [], type something else, say misty-messages. It will tell you the folder doesn't exist and would you like to create it. Say yes. As you go through your mail, save any messages you would like to respond to into this new folder. Once you've gone through everything, compose a message. Once you have your header and everything in place and are ready to type, hit {Ctrl R}, for Read File. Then hit {Ctrl T} (to folders). Go to mail, hit Enter. Go to misty-messages, hit Enter. It will take you back to the message you are composing, but now all the messages you wanted to respond to will be on there. :) Just delete all parts of the messages that you don't want to respond to and type in your responses - Helpful Hint - {Ctrl K} cuts a whole line at a time. And VOILA! - you now have a braid. WHEW!! I hope that wasn't too jumbled, and I hope it helps you. Let me know if it works. :) I apologize to those of you to whom this didn't concern, but I was feeling knowledgable and had to jump in. :) ~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~-+AT+-~ Uh oh. I said there was gonna be a next part, didn't I? I guess this is where I sheepfully stick in an ObMisty, right? O.K., here goes... Oh! I got one. In advance: Don't shoot! Yes it's part of the dreaded "I wish she would write..." thread, with a new twist! I've always wondered what Savil's early life was like. Misty always hints at her relationship with Healer Andrel, and there were other characters in MPawn that were of an age with her. I always wanted to know more about them. You know, how did she get Chosen, etc. I mean, am I the only one that wonders what kind of events transpired to produce such a unique woman? Frankly, she fascinates me. There was one thing that Misty did that really bothered me, though. At the beginning of MPrice and in the other two LHM books, she was as strong-willed and willful as she always was, but by the end of MPrice, Misty degenerated her into a frightened, frail, whiny, old woman. It was kind of all of a sudden, too. I'm thinking of the episode where she asks Van to strengthen her wards before she dies. That sudden slip in character just made me step back a pace, 'cuz in a little while she's back to normal. She's attacked and she grabs a knife and fights, which is more what I'd expect from Savil. Whoa. Looks like I've actually got two ideas in there. Huh. Who knew? :) Renee Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold flare-+AT+-udel.edu |"I'm trying to find a polite way of saying 'drop University of Delaware |dead' and not having much luck." Pre-Veterinary student | -Vlad Taltos **High Priestess of |"Don't bother being polite. I died before the Procrastination** |Interregnum. Will you take the job?" Confused? Just Ask! | -Sethra Lavode http://udel.edu/~flare/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Mic Markowicz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:adresses Message-ID: Oops. After that whole long message about braiding, guess who forgot to braid this into her last post? That's right! Smurfette! Just kidding. I was a little trigger happy on the Delete key and deleted the name of the people looking for addresses, so forgive me for posting this to the list. School address: Home address: 307 Lane Hall 450 Coleridge Road Newark, DE 19717 Rockville Centre, NY 11570 Between Dec. 20 and Feb. 8 I can be reached at my home address. Renee Markowicz Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold flare-+AT+-udel.edu |"I'm trying to find a polite way of saying 'drop University of Delaware |dead' and not having much luck." Pre-Veterinary student | -Vlad Taltos **High Priestess of |"Don't bother being polite. I died before the Procrastination** |Interregnum. Will you take the job?" Confused? Just Ask! | -Sethra Lavode http://udel.edu/~flare/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 01:01:16 -0500 From: dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Degrees/Fire Rose/Hungry?/bi all means/religions? Message-ID: <199611220618.BAA13345-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> Mel the Redcap wrote [substitute Kerry for Heather}: >Danya replied to something Heather said: >> I could go on, but I won't bore the rest of the list trying to prove to >> someone who is unwilling to listen that I know what the heck I'm talking >> about. > >Danya, I'm happy to defend your right to disagree with the rest of the list >when you're polite about it, but this is just damn rude. Heather has not >shown any sign of being unwilling to listen, so don't insult her. All right, >you're upset because some people have been a bit nasty to you, but that >doesn't mean you have to spread the mudslinging. Mel, I think you might have forgotten about this in your legendary archive cruise, but think about the whole incident that occurred nearly two months ago when Danya used a subject along the lines of, "Don't mess with a PhD." Or something like that. It was just when I joined. Basically, Danya meant it in a joking way, but Heather took it as saying, "I'm better than you, eat my dust," sort of thing. That evolved into some ruffled feathers (to say the least), and that's why Danya is so hesitant about swinging her degree around abouts here. She doesn't want to inadvertantly insult us again. Danya, did I get that right? >(ye gods, I almost said "Play nice" then... ) Where is that *from*? That and, "Be nice." I just can't remember, and it's driving me absolutely insane!!!!!<-----(why are we starting this up again?) <^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^> By the way, I never heard of Fire Rose until I saw it on the shelf, happy as a clam sittin' right next to the rest of Misty's stuff. I read the prelude. Is it good or corny? I couldn't really tell from such a brief glimpse. Besides, it's not out in PB yet, so talk to me. I've got time. <^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^> Kory said: >>>I make a new email and cut and paste in a quote mode. So, sorry, no attribs. As it is, it usually takes at least an hour a day to reply to the list--putting handwritten attribs before everyone would add even more time.<<< Hey Kory, guess what? I take the time. It's only an extra 30 seconds to flip windows, look at header, flip back, and write, "so-and-so wrote/said/asked/ what have you." Please don't take this as an insult, but more of an encouragment to spend that little extra bit of time that will make quite a few of us feel better. >>>[I said, *ahem*]>Stefen was self-centered and knew it. Ah..but Lendel was, too. Remember..the whole thing with Lendel is that he buried the fact that family was more important to him than the nation, and paid the price. If only Savil had looked a little closer at him..if only wosshisname hadn't gone back overland..<<< Ah, but Lendel couldn't not use his gifts. He had "the hunger." Stefen is more like Van was, he doesn't understand "the hunger." By the way, I thought this was an obvious character development thingie-majig, but did it seem like Van and Lendel switched roles? First, Lendel was the Herald with all the gifts and the hunger, the strength, while Van was the younger, selfish "not gonna get chosen" type. Then, Van was the Herald with all the doodads I just described Lendel with, and Stef was the younger, selfish etc. type. I thought this made sense because of what Misty said about lifebondeds making up for each other's weaknesses and all. The one thing that they all shared was that they had a fragile sense of self-worth until they were together. <^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^> Jacquelle said: >>>Does Sherri count as a bi? isn't the quote something like.."Sherri, who had many lovers, but never stayed with any.." Talia's thinking it...I always read that to mean that she was having physical relationships with men, until that point--which was when Keren needed her, and she then realized that she was shaych. Did anyone else see it this way?<<< You know, I never did think about it. But now that you mention it, I guess I had a mental image of her with both genders. However, I don't think she thought she was straight and then realized she was shaych. Nope, the gaydar (a miraculous, sensitive, and many times screwed-up machine) told me that she was bi. I just didn't notice consciously. <^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^>^<^> What was the whole deal about religions and moving to another list? What month did these occur in so I can finally tour the archives? love, deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |But she had the trick of making a little of Procrastination and Holy |island right in the middle of time, and of Custodian of the B-Day List. |your knowing, which is what time does to Confused? Write me! |you. -- Robert Penn Warren dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:48:39 -0500 From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: adresses Message-ID: <961122014838_1783739490-+AT+-emout02.mail.aol.com> ooops, sorry, guys, I meant to send that private . I was going to resend it privately, but guess who joined the ranks of the trigger happy deleters? Just forget I did that, okay? Blessed Be, NightShade ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:01:13 -0800 (PST) From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: good books/bisexuals/proposal Message-ID: On the good book thread started by Emily the Invisible: _Hunter's Oath_ and _Hunter's Death_ by somebody-r-uther. (Michelle West?) There has to be a third one coming out sooner or later because I'm still not entirely certain what's going on, but the cosmology is pretty interesting and the characters fairly cool. Especially this one sorceress who keeps popping back and forth through time without any control over where she's going. (Teleute: My sister and I, whenever we happen to be dwelling in the same city, go to the bookstore about once a month, spend a couple of hours selecting about 15-20 books, and then another hour deciding which 14-16 to put back. Very heartwrenching. We do tend to spend our life savings on books, but then we only work part time and have no other expensive hobbies.) Kat asked which Misty book we had read first... For me, it was Oathbound, which didn't convert me to a Misty fan, though I enjoyed it. MPawn, my third Misty book, was what got me hooked. I read the first half at home, then during passing period at school the next day, and finished it while waiting for the bus home. Which tells you a lot about me, actually. ****** On the bisexuals thread: What Heather said. (Maybe we should add that to the list of Mistylist frequent abbreviations: WHS). =) For some time now I've been arguing with myself over whether it's just that Misty hasn't decided to write a real bi character yet, or that she thinks the "good" bisexuals (I can't believe I just used that phrase; grump, grump!) are all like Eric Banyon & An'desha. The Tayledras' mores seem to support rationalizing that Misty doesn't have prejudices about bis, but I find that a rather thin basis for rationalization...It's disconcerting that an author I'm gaga over might consider *me* indecisive at best... (About Sherrill, wasn't there other textevd that she's exclusively shaych?) ****** I'd like to propose to the other Amber & Marigolds that in addition to defending Vanyel's reputation against unjust accusations, we take on the duty of defending other folk from unjust accusations of having slandered Van. I think we should do this because we need something to remind us to stop and think, and then ask for clarification, before jumping all over someone that we think has said something we don't like. If we are obligated to defend unjustly accused listmembers, then we *have* to make sure we understand what a person meant to say in order to know whether the person needs us to defend them, or whether they are, indeed, someone Van's reputation needs defending from. We *should not* act on our initial interpretations of what someone said, no matter who that person is, but if an A&M takes that person's side it'll be that much more likely that we'll remember that A) our interpretations are not always correct and B) Van is not perfect and this person might just have some point here. NightShade wrote that someone on this list said Van was a whiner, etc, which would be fine except that since no one is named, no one can defend themselves by saying "Hey, I think you misunderstood me, I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression but what I really meant was, etc." or "But what I said is justified because etc." Whoever has been recently accused or implied to have slandered Van may well have read Nightshade's (and others') post, winced and thought, "Is that about me?" and not known whether to risk sounding defensive by defending themselves, or risk letting people go on thinking they said something mean-spirited about Our Hero. If we Amber & Marigolds are not careful to make sure that our defense of Vanyel is justified and carried out civilly and justly in each instance, we risk honoring Vanyel at the expense of honoring other folk. ******a little fluff Hey, Kory, what's "Brvaes"? --Lee-- 97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu -- www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/ "What time is it?"--Dekker, P. / Knight of the OAM, Spreader of Humor, Self-Appointed User of 5-point Vocabulary Words Such As "Panegyric" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:08:57 -0800 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: So It Wasn't My Last Post... Message-ID: <199611220708.XAA16841-+AT+-latimes.com> At 01:59 AM 11/22/96 GMT, Melanie Harris wrote: >> No, on both counts. Textevd says Leareth wasn't expecting a thing like >> classic tactics; and he was expecting an attack against himself, not >> against his environment. > >Please cite it, otherwise we don't know whether or not we'd interpret it the >same way as you. If you already have cited the piece that you mean, sorry, I >don't remember it... what was it? Help? Here it is again: "[T]his was a classic opportunity and a classic piece of strategy, and Master Dark couldn't possibly have anticipated it." > >>well, we disagree on this one and I don't think either of >us is going to convince the other, so... you can have your opinion and I can >have mine, OK? :> Okay. > >Agpth! Opinions again here... as far as I'm concerned, the message of Price >is "Sometimes the good guys need to make sacrifices in order to save what >they love." That's the whole point of calling it Magic's *Price*. Van saw >that there was only one way he could save Valdemar from Leareth (leaving the >cliffs out of the equation for now, okay, this is concerning his decisions >after the cliffs are no longer an option) and made a conscious decision to >make the necessary sacrifice. It wasn't "Give up and get a little plus by >taking out the villain", it was "Save Valdemar by taking out the villain; >unfortunately I won't be around physically afterwards, but it's the only >way." Agree to disagree? I'll always agree to disagree, but I do not think your interpretation of the title is correct. In _Magic's Pawn_ Van is being used by magic. In _Magic's Promise_ Van realizes what his magic has to offer him. And in _Magic's Price_ Van realizes what his magic (*not* what he loved) has cost him. I happen to think that the price was way out of proportion with the actual benefits, given that Ma'ar is not destroyed. > >I never said he didn't have the power to Gate in; I think he couldn't Gate in >*without it being obvious to the Herald-Mages*. Van apparently thought he did: "Dear gods, thing of the power--think of what it took to *mask* the power!" >Also, in a Gate you can only >use your own personal power, you can't get power funneled to you from other >mages or nodes the way he could to cut the pass. Sorry, but that's wrong. The Empire mages do this all the time. Several of them band together to put up Gates and feed each other power to maintain them. >I also didn't say the rock >was going to be on top of him and his army, it would have to be blocking the >pass *in front* of them, and Leareth wouldn't need to re-cut the pass, just >clear rubble out. Shifting rubble is a lot easier than carving virgin >granite. I agree. But you were arguing against my scenario, and in my scenario the rock *is* on top of them. Calling me wrong because you change the parameters is unfair. > >I see that bit about exploding the floor of the pass differently to >you, BTW; IMO, he was "exploding" the *ice* that was around and between the >rocks by flash-heating it into steam. That would toss the rocks around quite >effectively and be nice and dramatic, but the rocks themselves weren't >exploded. Because the stone at the sides of the pass was all one piece, there >wasn't any ice in cracks for Van to "explode" and bring the rocks down. You can't have it two ways. The walls are the same as the floor of the pass. It is a fresh cut, straight down and through. The old pass is way up above this one. The floor is not original and the walls newly cut; the whole thing is newly cut. So what can happen to the floor can happen to the walls. Danya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:27:37 -0800 From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van's Final Strike Message-ID: <199611220727.XAA17119-+AT+-latimes.com> At 03:59 AM 11/22/96 GMT, KayCeeFour-+AT+-aol.com wrote: >Would Van have thought of collapsing the cliffs? > >IMNSHO, I really don't think so. Then Misty should not have billed him as a brilliant strategist, regardless of where he came from. > >Also, there wasn't time for Van to consider this option or even to implement >it if he had. Textevd to the contrary from the page after the passage you quote: "He was out of breath by the time he reached his chosen spot, but he had plenty of leisure time to recover when he got there. In fact, the worst part was the waiting." Plus, he had all the time (three days) that he was riding over the terrain with Stef to consider the lay of the land. >The only preparations he had >time to make were to bring in storm clouds and set up lines to the nodes >through his focus. No. Those were the only preparations he made. If he had time to wait, he had time to make other preparations if he had considered them necessary, which I think his character would have. >Besides, I don't think it would have worked anyway. Remember, when >everything was over, and Stef is hunting for Van's body, the only thing he >finds is "blackened, burned and mangled bodies". Nowhere is the any mention >of rocks littering the pass, it is still wide open. Van's Final Strike would >have brought down the walls, if anything could have. No. This goes back to the discussion of what a nuclear blast will and will not do, and I think Misty thought of the Final Strike as a type of nuclear blast (the evidence for that is largely in what she asks for in the handouts for Queen's Own Herald Mage personae). Danya ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 976 *********************************