MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 980

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) major apologies to Kory/attribs/rereading
	by infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy (Eleonora Scoseria)
  2) Brvaes--Imprisoned! In the Realm of Queen Attrib
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  3) Braid Stands In For Brvaes In Order To Decree Two Things
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  4) A final post from Jake
	by mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
  5) Wow. I f*cked up again.
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  6) Re: Braid Stands In For Brvaes In Order To Decree Two Things
	by Eleonora <infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>
  7) Kinsey (No! Don't Run! 'S okay!)
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
  8) Re: Fire Rose/Firebird(spoiler )
	by mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
  9) Braid: Too many things...
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 10) Cards/Re-reading and babbling/Korendil being bi/First Contact/and an Obmisty about several stories
	by DawnRain <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
 11) Braid:
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-udel.edu>
 12) Re: Braid:
	by "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
 13) Re: Braid:
	by Eleonora <infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 22:10 EST
From: infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy (Eleonora Scoseria)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: major apologies to Kory/attribs/rereading
Message-ID: <m0vRT5h-000pizC-+AT+-nicasio.distrinet.com.uy>

>Kory wrote:
>Ele missed sarcasm when she said:
>>Kory, Sense and Sensibility was written by Jane Austen, but I totally
>>disagree your personal opinion of her work. Or are you not being at all
>>serious about that whole sentence and maybe I am being unfair? If that is
>>the case, apologies (or should I offer you sheeps instead??)
>
and then continued:
>It was total sarcasm. Especially since my 
>EVil-English-Teacher-Who-Must-Be-Related-To-Lores says that anyone who 
>uses "their" with a singular antecedent is "unsophisticated," while she 
>adores Jane Austen. WHo uses it QUITE a bit (there's a whole webpage 
>about it...check in yahoo or something..title's "EVeryone Loves THEIR 
>Jane Austen." I've never actually read any Austen (too busy with SF!), 
>but someday I plan to read all those classics...well..I AM slowly 
>plodding through Les Mis, does that count as a classic? I'll take the 
>sheep (but only if they passed BIPI <sheeps from jake> inspection;>).

Ooops! Apologies, Kory. I DID misread your sarcasm, and I did not interpret
your ;> as a joke but as a smirk, and therefore not such a "nice"
expression. Also, you seem to put them everywhere in your braids, so I have
begun to take them as a sort of EOM/BOM mark. I really feel ashamed of
myself. Heck, at this time of the month I can't even claim PMS as an
extenuating circumstance. I did not apologise before because I had my PC
upgraded and I therefore had no net access in the meantime. Lady Becky is
right. I should have contacted you personally instead of commenting upon it
on list, and it is no use my having apologised JIC in the same sentence.
So... friends? pleeeease?

BTW, I will probably get laughed at because of this, but what is BIPI
inspection? 

>Kory worte:
>>>>There, deniz. A whole braid with attribs;><<<
>Deniz replied:
>I'm forever grateful.  Or at least will be as long as you keep it up.  I'm 
>sure I'm not the only one who was glad to be able to trace who said what 
>throughout the whole thing.

And I would like to add, hurrayyy! It was great being able to trace each
'speaker' throughout the whole thing. You know Kory, your braids usually
make great reading, but they really lacked attributions. They are posts I
always look forward to, and now I will wnjoy them all the more :) 

Cara asked:
>Ok.. So I'm starting the Velgarth books again.  Just curious, do people when
>they re-read, do they re-read in Velgarth chronological order?  Or in
>publishing date order?  Or do they just kinda pick up and read what they
>feel like?

I actually pick up the book most suited to my mood of the time. There are
Velgarth books I have not reread yet, and others I have read zillions of
times (MPawn and BTS, for example).

BTW, in response to Kat's question, my first Misty book was Oathbreakers,
but simply because it is the only one that has found its way to Uruguay yet,
and I DID enjoy it very much, enough to make me want to read more Misty.
Then I found MPawn and MPromise in Buenos Aires, and after that I simply had
to read the rest. Bought some in the States and have been ordering from
Future Fantasy thereafter.

To all those of you who have replied to my Anne McCaffrey question, thanks a
lot.

Love,


Ele
very much ashamed of misunderstanding Kory and therefore contritely dropping
all titles from signature


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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 20:28:04 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Brvaes--Imprisoned! In the Realm of Queen Attrib
Message-ID: <9611240133.AA29270-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

deniz said (see, I'm still atribbing!)
>What about Oathbewildered?  And which one has Skippy the cat?  And could you 
>send me that parody, please?  Oh, and by the way, I get my mail in MIME 
>format, if that'll add fodder to your puns.

Well, Skippy's in...oh..gods..I forget. There's a Skippy, though. I think 
he was--no, wait..there's a Skiffy...that's Skif, as a companion (in 
Storm Spatulomancy[1])...Skippy...Skippy...well, there's Born to 
Ruttish...where Skippy separates from...Rob?...and becomes an ally of the 
Unseelie...

>Yeah, I think that's it.  Why, have you guys discussed this before? 
>(ISD&RLWBoPaAM)  err... that's (Innocent Smile, Duck, & Run Like Wild Beasts 
>of Prey are After Me)

Well, first of all, if you plan to stay here long, might as well use 
local dialect and say ISD&RLWMaAM (Innocent Smile, Sheep, & Run Like Wild 
Mimes are After Me)...and we did. Some huge discussion which I'm pretty 
sure Heather played a part in...it was, actually, the first time (since I 
was known as Korendil--when I used AOL I was SNESter) I stopped reading 
for awhile--it was as technical and complex, if not moreso, than that big 
scientific magic discussion was...

>Uhh... I believe that my post was acknowledging that, and saying that 
>Heather 
>phrased it in such a way to *make* us question SOCIETY's definition of 
>"common 
>decency."  I wasn't assuming SHE thought that way.

Whoops. I started to read, and it sounded bad, so I wrote that, and then 
I think I thought I had read ALL you said on the subject, and then went 
on--sorry, deniz. I should practice what I preach, next time.

>You know, that was one of the clearest, easiest to follow braids I've read 
>in 
>a while.  Thank you. :)  Keep it up! (no, no, no... not THAT... the WORK) ;>

Gods...aNOTHER sicko;P 

<TOTALLY UNRELATED THING and REALLY OFFTOPIC, but I wanna make this braid 
longer>
Kenneth? How do you say "I'm bored" in French, and what's the adjective 
used for "cute"?

<On Topic For List, but NOT MISTY>
Guys...remember...try not to do one-liners. It's all right 
once-in-awhile, but a lot of people still have access where they pay for 
each piece of mail, and I just get annoyed because I wanna hear more from 
everyone;> Can you tell I need a life?;> Also...if you don't have 
anything on-topic, do an obMisty. If you don't..well...all us oldies will 
sic Ken on you with a free membership card to the Drifting Ashes Club;> 
Ken? do you mind when I threaten people with you?;P

ObMisty: Um..hmm...huh...eh..erm...I hate these things. Oh. Has anyone 
gotten one of the informal Whites from Firebird, and was it any good? My 
dad overruled my mom, and I'm getting 50 bucks each night of chanukah 
(since my b-day gift is so far off--it's to go to dragon*con)...and I was 
gonna put 200 in the bank, and split 200 between cds and non-music 
firebird stuff. Like some Whites( =( I want formal, but they only come in 
like women's petite, or something...) and some tayledras feathers and 
stuff.

-+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+-
I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I
C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan,  |C 
U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U
B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile.   |B 
E|______________________________________________________________|E
D|God did not create the world in 7 days; he screwed around for |D
.|6 days and then pulled an all-nighter.                        |. 
N|--------------------------------------------------------------|N 
E|When I was in school,I cheated on my metaphysics exam:I looked|E
T|into the soul of the boy sitting next to me. --Woody Allen    |T
 -+AT+-__________________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________________-+AT+-





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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 22:27:19 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid Stands In For Brvaes In Order To Decree Two Things
Message-ID: <9611240332.AA02225-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

Item Number 1: See my sig. I WILL enforce (don't worry, Auntie Mel. 
Private mail).
Item Number 2 will come at the end so people can see what it's about and 
go ahead and delete if it doesn't matter to them.

Ele (who should reinstate her sig immediately) said:
>BTW, I will probably get laughed at because of this, but what is BIPI
>inspection? 

It was a stupid joke on my part. 

>And I would like to add, hurrayyy! It was great being able to trace each
>'speaker' throughout the whole thing. You know Kory, your braids usually
>make great reading, but they really lacked attributions. They are posts I
>always look forward to, and now I will wnjoy them all the more :) 

Ooooo..now I feel all warm n' glowy inside. It was just to smooth over 
the Austen thing, I imagine, but still, I can have my dreams;>

>BTW, in response to Kat's question, my first Misty book was Oathbreakers,
>but simply because it is the only one that has found its way to Uruguay yet,
>and I DID enjoy it very much, enough to make me want to read more Misty.

Ouch..that could NOT have been fun. Not only starting with the second 
book in a duology, but also one that intertwines different series. I 
couldna' have done it. You people who are forced by circumstance to start 
with the wrong books...yer brave.

I said:
>in 
>Storm Spatulomancy[1])

whoops. I meant to put a wossname at the end, footnote. The word means 
"fortunetelling with a sheep's shoulder blade." Funny, eh? eh?


Item Number 2: Okay. I'm really NOT very angry at anyone who "flamed" me 
about the Jane Austen thing. I really didn't expect it, no, but at the 
same time, it was a mistake. As Ele said, my constant use of ";>" makes 
it very possible to glaze over. A conditioning of sorts. I mean, you 
never _read_ quote signs; you almost-subconciously interpret them. No-one 
should feel it needed to stop using their sig or make long-winded 
apologies (okay, that came a bit late) or offer to do my homework. I 
DON'T CARE. Well, not much. If it was important to me, you'd know. I do 
this really easy to see through thingy (like last winter, when I wanted 
to leave because someone got mad about a lot of stupid dumb fluff in my 
posts, when I had come back onto the list right after Mel told us not to 
use so much. I pretend to get really hurt to the point of wanting to 
leave the list until someone or other emails me with something like "No! 
Don't go, Kory! Everyone understands!" and the person apologizes. It's a 
really big fault in me, and I haven't yet found a way to fix it easily, 
much to the annoyance of my te'sorthene (made you get out your copy of 
Oathbreakers, didn't I? mwehehehe.) This parenthese is really LONG, isn't 
it?), BUT NOW IS NOT ONE OF THOSE TIMES. Ele, Nightshade, FORGET it. If I 
cared, I'd say. I shouldn't of said this on the list, but I didn't want 
people to feel I was hurt and possibly get mad at Night and Ele (big ego 
I have, don't I?).



-+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+-
I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I
C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan,  |C 
U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U
B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile.   |B 
E|______________________________________________________________|E
D|As a long-time member of the list, I hope to provide some     |D
.|backing to an idea I have not really been honoring very       |. 
N|nicely. NO MORE BIPPY. Anyone who does, from now on, mention  |N 
E|the Mime will suffer not only Jake's, but also my wrath.      |E
T|______________________________________________________________|T




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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:47:15 -0700 (MST)
From: mrtmh-+AT+-primenet.com (Lady 'Reesa)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk
Subject: A final post from Jake
Message-ID: <199611240347.UAA14787-+AT+-primenet.com>

        Jake unsubscribed and asked me to post this, since he got it bounced
back.  Post follows:


*looking at Korendil* You don't get it.  You just don't. *sigh* *throwing
hands up in the air* I can't take it anymore.  I'm unsubscribing as of
today.  What happened to the list?  Someone tell me, 'cause something did.
I'm keeping my FAQ administrator hat, shelving my title, and perhaps I'll be
back some time later once this foolishness finally knocks off.  Goodbye.

-- Jake


'Reesa
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 'Reesa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
INTERVIEWER: "Could you destroy the earth with 
the power of your mind?
TICK:  Egads!  I _hope_ not!  That's where I 
keep all my _stuff_!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.angelfire.com/az/LadyReesa/index.html


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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 23:04:25 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Wow. I f*cked up again.
Message-ID: <9611240410.AA03117-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

This has absolutely no relevance to anything but the last email I 
received.

I seriously screwed up, like, 3 times in one week. First I give the Van 
rguemnt an absolutely evil atmosphere, then I get people accidentally 
flaming me and then, to compound that, I make Jake leave. I'm gonna 
apologize to him right after this, but the mistylist deserves even more 
of one. 

I'm done some truly shitty stuff this week, dunno why. I destroyed what 
was, before, a great thread. I added lotsa fluff. MY actions forced one 
of the list's most major, most liked, most wonderful people to--leave. 
And I somehow did this without quite realizing at the time. I changed 
them all, but all way, way, WAY too late and in too small ammounts.

I'm gonna lurk in self-imposed exile for awhiles. It's better for me, 
better for the list. THis isn't one of those times I mentioned in my last 
post, I'm truly serious now. I fucked up. I should pay. Nightshade, take 
charge of the worshippers and collect my tithes. Heather, here's my 
pledge as Knight of Amber and Marigold back for awhiles. Stormcloud, 
here's mine for the OIB. I'll be here, but I won't post. 

I'm truly sorry to everyone here, especially Jake...even though he's not 
here anymore because I acted really stupidly. 



-+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+-
I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I
C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan,  |C 
U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U
B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile.   |B 
E|______________________________________________________________|E
D|As a long-time member of the list, I hope to provide some     |D
.|backing to an idea I have not really been honoring very       |. 
N|nicely. NO MORE BIPPY. Anyone who does, from now on, mention  |N 
E|the Mime will suffer not only Jake's, but also my wrath.      |E
T|______________________________________________________________|T




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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 13:34:26 -0300
From: Eleonora <infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid Stands In For Brvaes In Order To Decree Two Things
Message-ID: <30E80D12.3363-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>

regarding Kory's use of attribs I wrote:
 
>And I would like to add, hurrayyy! It was great being able to trace >each 'speaker' throughout the whole thing. You know Kory, your braids >usually make great reading, but they really lacked attributions. They >are posts I always look forward to, and now I will wnjoy them all the >more :)

And Kory replied: 
> Ooooo..now I feel all warm n' glowy inside. It was just to smooth over
> the Austen thing, I imagine, but still, I can have my dreams;>

Actually it isn't to smooth over the Austen thing. One of my virtues is
that I normally mean what I say (and one of my defects is that often I
don't think long enough before speaking). So, yes, Kory, go on feeling
all warm n' glowy inside, because I do mean it.


Kory wrote in reply to my comment about having read Oathbreakers first:
> Ouch..that could NOT have been fun. Not only starting with the second
> book in a duology, but also one that intertwines different series. I
> couldna' have done it. You people who are forced by circumstance to > start with the wrong books...yer brave.

It really took more bravery to wait until I got hold of MPrice without
going insane (well, at least without too many people noticing that i
have gone insane).

Kory continued:
>No-one
> should feel it needed to stop using their sig or make long-winded
> apologies (okay, that came a bit late) or offer to do my homework. I
> DON'T CARE. Well, not much. If it was important to me, you'd know.

I am thankful you will not want me to do your Chemistry homework (I
never actually offered though) just said I *should* offer. (The reason I
am relieved is that the Chemist in me would probably fail what a high
school or college teacher mught consider a basic test). Ahhh the things
we forget as we grow old <sigh>

Kory finished with:
>Ele, Nightshade, FORGET it. If I
> cared, I'd say. I shouldn't of said this on the list, but I didn't want
> people to feel I was hurt and possibly get mad at Night and Ele (big ego
> I have, don't I?).
> 

Thanks !!!!!

Well, now I need an ObMisty. What about this? Is there anywhere a story
about the funding of the White Winds school? Weak, isn't it? Well, I am
dead tired, and trying to catch up with the backlog caused by my PC's
upgrade.

Love,

Ele
Priestess of Karma
LotPW
Dame of the OAM

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Date:        Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:27:31 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Kinsey (No! Don't Run! 'S okay!)
Message-ID:  <23NOV96.24255463.0067.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

Guys, the Kinsey discussion wasn't *that* bad, was it?  I remember
Cennydd kinda snowing me under with analysis I could only sort of trace,
<love ya, Cen, really> but other than that I think it was
nonthreatening.

Kinsey was a researcher in the field of human sexuality who did a number
of studies in the, I think, 40s and 50s.  One of his conclusions was
that people do not have simply one sexuality or another, like a switch
thrown, you're gay, you're straight.  He theorized a spectrum of
sexuality, ranging from compeletely heterosexual to completely
homosexual, and further theorized that (whether or not it's *exactly* a
bell curve) the majority of the population fell somewhere in between the
two extremes.  It's a generaly recognized construct of human sexuality
in the field, and it's even fairly popularly recognized by the
mainstream.  He divided his scale into roughly seven segments, each
having a number, 0 being totally heterosexual and 6 being totally
homosexual.  That's what you're hearing when you hear about Kinsey 4s or
Kinsey 1s or whatever.

Now, watch me be completely wrong.  Haven't researched this in four
years, and have probably forgotten everything I used to know about it.
God knows I've forgotten everything that was said in the discussion last
spring.

(Okay, I'm willing to count Korendil <the fictional one> as bisexual,
sure.  42 books, one character, no sweat.)

BTW, Nightshade.  Sorry if you thought I flew off the handle.  I wasn't
upset because I thought you were "stupid" for not getting Kory's joke. I
just thought you said some kinda harsh things to him, that would have
been harsh even if he had been serious.  And -- hang on now, I did *not*
attack Nightshade.  I told her I thought she should calm down, and that
I wasn't real thrilled to see her insult Kory, but it was all very calm
and mellow.  Hmph.  Well, I'm still a little sorry, I suppose.


HTH
Wand-Sworn Champion to the Ladies of the Pink Wand
Grand Dame of the Order of Amber and Marigold
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:50:44 -0500
From: mishi <mishi-+AT+-prolog.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Fire Rose/Firebird(spoiler )
Message-ID: <3297D424.20A3-+AT+-prolog.net>

dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA wrote:
> 
> By the way, I never heard of Fire Rose until I saw it on the shelf, happy as a
> clam sittin' right next to the rest of Misty's stuff.  I read the prelude.  Is
> it good or corny?  I couldn't really tell from such a brief glimpse.  Besides,
> it's not out in PB yet, so talk to me.  I've got time.


Actually, Fire Rose is out in paperback. I just picked it up today when 
I was on a major shopping spree. I read about the first hundred pages so 
far and it seems interesting. I hope it says that way.

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Has anyone else on the list read Firebird yet? I picked it up about two 
weeks ago and I thought it was intresting. I was actually surprised the 
book blurb wasn't tooo far off of what the story was actually about. 

I do wish that Misty would have written more about the preist and the 
shaman though. The firendship between the two of them was interesting. I 
could picture the two of them sitting a table having a 'discussion' 
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Spoiler over now.


Love, luck and lollipops all!

Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness, Lady of the Pink Wand

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:22:05 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: Too many things...
Message-ID: <199611240615.AAA18903-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

RE: Singing
I close my eyes while I'm singing. I try to open them during choir, and I'm
actually successful. But last year, in a talent show at my school, I had to
sing "Bali H'ai" from South Pacific, and the key phrase for me was "EYE
CONTACT!!!" I'm serious. I was closing my eyes, and my teacher got sort of
mad.
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Wintershard wrote:
>>>RE Songs
 Although I can't think of a good place for it, how about Eric Clapton's
new 'If I Could Change the World' ? It sounds beautiful, and is slow
enough for some scenes to fit in.<<<

Let's see.... A-ha! It would be nice for Dirk, I think. I mean, it's a
really beautiful song, and the words:
        "If I could reach the stars
        I'd pull one down for you
        Shine it on my heart 
        So you could see the truth..."
Yup. Definitely Dirk and Talia.
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Lady Silvermoon wrote:
>>>Okay.  That's what I thought,  but I knew it wouldn't hurt to ask.  I think
you made a good move.  It was a *very* disturbing episode.  <shudder>  I'm
usually not bothered by them,  but that one seemed more possible than the
others...or something.  Plus I've only seen about 4 shows,  so I'm not very
accomadated to it.  <<<

Have you read any of the DT books? I think the reason it was so disturbing
for me was that the episode seemed to be on the more grotesque side of the
occult than DT. But the thing that bothered me was that the episode may
have made people think that people who practice, as a collective, a form of
"witchcraft" does all the things that the doctor did. And I'm with you --
I've seen only a handful of the X-Files.
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TV season finales: 
The thing that bugs me about season finales is that they almost *always*
have to make it a cliffhanger. In Star Trek: the Next Generation, (I can't
remember exactly if it was this or not) Time's Arrow, the episode where
they find (NOOOOO!) Data's 500 year old head in an underground caavern was
a cliffhanger, and although I did not see it at that time, it is still
frustrating to see a two-part episode.
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On "Sanctuary":
It would be nice-- if Madonna didn't sing it! Oy! If it's her earlier
stuff, there's no way in hell I would listen to it -- though that Evita
song sounds all right. I'm still a firm believer in "Yes I Am." Guess who's
a hard-core Melissa Etheridge fan?
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Jake wrote:
>>>All right.  I am roffling here, because... because one of the characters on
DUMBO'S FLYING CIRCUS (an annoying children's show on the Disney Channel) is
a koala named FAIR DINKUM! *lol* Oh the irony. <<<

A koala  named "No sh*t?" *ROTFLMAO*!!!! I wonder if those parents who let
their kids watch the show know what it means...
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Whoever suggested Smashing Pumpkins for Misty Characters: I've been
associating SP music to Trek characters instead of Misty. Somehow, I
cannot, for the life of me and my overly active imagination, associate SP
with Misty! Anywho, SP songs with Trek people: "Tonite, tonite" for Deanna
Troi and Will Riker, "Rocket" for Zephram Cochrane, "Thirty-three" for
Spock, etc. Also, DMB's "Satellite" for Deanna Troi. Don't ask... I guess I
associate "alternative" music with "SF" rather than fantasy.
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No offense to anybody who suggested "I Will Always Love You," but... THAT
SONG MAKES ME SICK!!! It was fine until Whitney Houston sang it.... Now, I
hear it all over the place, even though it's been four years (?) since it
was first released, and I never hear the original, good ol' Dolly Parton
version! Actually, if you were thinking of the Vince Gill/DP version, that
would fit in *very* nicely with 'Lendel and Van.
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Okay, I had to delete about 5 day's worth of messages because I had *no*
time to read anything 'cept for my personal mail. So, I'm sorta behind....
Semi-newbie if you would.
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Emily the Invisible wrote:
>>>Has anyone read any new and truly fabulous books lately? I think it 
might be good to add to the book suggestion list. It's hard to have a 
bitter arguement about what books should go on our non-Misty reading 
lists <g>. <<<

MEMEMEME!!!! 
The White Raven by Diana L. Paxson (not really new, but really great)
Star Trek Voyager: Mosaic (life story of Capt. Janeway -- EXCELLENT reading
for any Trekkie out there)
Independence Day (can't remember the author -- really great with 8 pages of
color photos from the movie)

More to come...
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Does anyone think Stef not being Chosen a carry-over from his previous life
as Tylendel? When 'Lendel digressed into a "psycho-killer wanting revenge"
mode and actually followed through with the plan, Gala repudiated him. So
maybe it's a Karmic thing that carried over. Also his life on the streets
didn't help much for his character.
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Hades -- WOW! I wish I had that list waaay back when I was still a newbie.
I used to put them into my sig every week or so, and then, I ran out. Now,
I have a limitless source of Star Trek quotes. BTW, WHO'S GOING TO SEE
FIRST CONTACT????? I'm going Sunday!
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On shaych friends/acquaintances: I have never had a RL shaych acquaintances
'cuz on the fringe of the Bible belt, bi's and gay's don't go over too
well. But it's probably worse to be a Wiccan down here in Hicktown, USA. In
fact, the only shaych people I know are on this list, and I know that
people down here are SERIOUSLY misguided because all of you are really
nice, however eccentric and anti-social some of us are, people.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Who published The Fire Rose? Was it Baen books? If so, why isn't it offered
in the SFBC? Was it TOR? I really want to know 'cuz the only hardcover I
can really afford are the SFBC editions.
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Whew! I'm done -- Oh. One last thing: SFBC *finally* has Storm Breaking
(which I am currently reading thanks to the grace of my dear friend
Sharentha <aol name>), and I'm not broke! Yay!

Lots of love,
Summersong & Spiffy the Cat
Semi-lady of the Pink Wand
BACK OFF, YOU BORG! DATA'S MINE!!!!
**********************************************
Akiko Hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>
"Some of the colonists objected to having an anatomically 
correct android running around without any clothes on" 
-- Juliana Soong (ST:TNG Inheritance)
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:39:02 -0700
From: DawnRain <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Cards/Re-reading and babbling/Korendil being bi/First Contact/and an Obmisty about several stories
Message-ID: <3298098D.2F43-+AT+-geocities.com>

I'd give you guys my mailing addy but my parents freak, and I'd send you
all cards too but I do not have the cash or time...  many sheeps.

Cara asked:
> Just curious, do people when
> they re-read, do they re-read in Velgarth chronological order?  Or in
> publishing date order?  Or do they just kinda pick up and read what they
> feel like?

I am one of the "read whatever" people.  I have been known to pick up a
book from the middle of a series to re-read and start from the middle
and go from there.
'course, it works best if I've READ the book several times, which I have
with most Misty books.  Sometimes I will try to keep within a series or
something...  but only when I feel like it.

Cara also said:
> Other people have looked at me funny when I say that.. but then most
> people look at me funny when I tell them I re-read.  "Why bother?  You know
> who the book will end."  Kind of comments.

Me, too...  And don't worry about babbling, I babble all the time, like
a brook.  I should use something like Brook for my handle...<grin>

I said:
>I have had a Thought!  Could Korendil count as bi?  He seems to have no
>qualms either way, being attracted to both Eric and Beth...  So there's
>a yesnomaybe for ya'!

And then Kory said:
> "attracted?" I thought it was slightly more than "attracted." IMO, the 
> <mockTreesaMode:ON> Californian Elven Culture <mockTreesaMode: OFF> is 
> pretty much like the tayledras (except less exotic. WHen you borrow from 
> everyone, it's hard to be, since everyone wouild see *something* 
> familiar, usually, right?), in this respect. So to him, loving someone 
> for who they ARE, and not for what sex they are, is what's important. 
> (Mwehehhe...used incorrect grammar;> someone and they;> I'm happy.) I say 
> he's equally in love with Eric and Beth, 'cept they toned it down in book 
> 2. 

Ok, ok, ok, but I meant attracted from the beginning, w/out even getting
to know them really well first.  And it's true that the cultures are
different so it's accepted(that's not the word I want but it will do) so
he can be open about it, but the example popped into my head.  See kinda
what I mean?

Summersong inquired:
> WHO'S GOING TO SEE
> FIRST CONTACT????? I'm going Sunday!

Saw it at 11 am Sat morning, LOVED IT!  My fiance said it didn't have
enough action for him but that he enjoyed it.

Ok, well that's all the replying I have to do, it looks like!

Obmisty?  Well...  Um.  Guess I have to drag my over-taxed brain out and
inquire into some stuff.  Where can I find short Misty stories?  I have
some of the Sword and Sorceress anthologies, and I'm getting Horse
Fantastic soon, and I have a couple Catfantastic, are there any others?
Um...  how about another one.  Elvenbane: who liked it?  If you could
change form like the dragons, what would you chose to go about as for a
while?  Would you rather be human, elven, halfblood, or dragon?
Does that count?  I hope so!

MorningStar

-- 
Kris Bailey--Aka MorningStar, NightFire, DawnRain, and names too
darn numerous to include in this list.  E-mail-- morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com
dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com bv165-+AT+-freenet.uchsc.edu kris.bailey-+AT+-sdoct.com
dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9763

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 04:13:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-udel.edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid:
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961124025201.16111E-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Heather wrote:

> My point was that with both he and An'desha, it isn't *men* they want,
> per se, it's *one particular man.* 

Although, ya know, this is sort of like my best friend's definition of her
bisexuality (she is one a whole host of bi people that I know).  As she
puts it, she is not attracted to a particular sex, she is attracted to
individuals and physio-sex doesn't even enter into it.  Of course, she is
hardly typical of bisexuals except inasmuch as she has a very
idiosyncratic and personal definition of her own sexuality.  I think that
it is entirely possible that An'desha was bi (although, I get the feeling
that he is going to end up being somewhat asexual as he enters his new
service).  Of course, the whole question of what label a character should
be given is sort of counter to the idea that sexuality is a personal
identification (okay, I realize that as purely fictional creations, they
aren't capable of having their own personal identities, but you know what
I mean).  

> Hmmm, there's a thought. You know something?  Maybe I *will* write a
> book with sexy gay women in it.  It's an idea worth considering.... <g>

While you are working on it (and I think you should write it), you might
want to read R.A.Rivkin's books (Silverglass is the only one I can
remember the title of).  One of the two main characters is a very sexy,
sleek lesbian (with a equally sexier het partner).  The books are pretty
good (Silverglass is alternately cool and creepy and both at the same
time).

-----EOM/BOM

On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Deniz wrote:

> Actually, there's this scale (I don't remember its name) that measures
> how gay or straight you are.

The scale is the Kinsey scale, and it doesn't exactly measure how "gay" or
"straight" you are.  It allows researchers to assign a numerical value to
certain behaviours.  Amoung other things, there is no such thing as
"bisexual" on the scale.  There is only a value (3) where a persons
heterosexual experiences are in perfect balance with their homosexual
experiences.  

> The distribution on this is like the bell curve

This is actually a misconception, I think.  At least, the only claim that
I know that has been strongly made about the distribution on the scale is
that 10% of the population in Kinsey's study were located on the
homosexual end of the spectrum.  To be honest, I don't even know for sure
whether Kinsey meant "homosexual" in the sense of "exclusively homosexual"
or if he meant it as "more than a 3" on the scale.  A couple of people
that I trust, who are extremely qualified sexologists, have told me that
he meant "exclusively" or "a Kinsey 6."   Since recent studies seem to
support that claim, I tend to accept it.  As far as the bell curve
distribution goes, though, when you look at what the Kinsey scale
measures, it seems unlikely that a population distribution would be a
standard curve.  I would expect something more like a U-shaped curve.
However, that is just my own hypothesis and I know of no clinical
evidence, one way or the other.  I would welcome hearing about it if
someone has some, though. =)

> Agar?  As in the stuff that reeks like chicken that you cultivate
> bacteria on?  AAAAAaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!!  Run away!!!!!

This is totally non-Misty related and very fluffy, but agar isn't just for
science projects.  It is a kelp(? some seaweed, at least) extract that is
used extensively in all sorts of food.  Among its more popular lurking
places are the many varieties of ice cream.  *Yes, my mind is a veritably
lumber-room of trivia--it comes from working at Random House and having to
come up with interesting content sentences for various educational
programs*

> While we're on the subject of literature (when aren't we?), how many
> people here are into poetry?  Are you interested in forming a writing
> group?

Well, of course, I love poetry.  However, the only kind I write with any
regularity these days is haiku.  Mostly, I just have my favorite poets and
I read them when I feel the need for a little pick-me-up (Baudelaire and
Valery, in case you wondered who).

-----EOM/BOM

On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Kory wrote:

> Some huge discussion which I'm pretty sure Heather played a part
> in...it was, actually, the first time (since I was known as
> Korendil--when I used AOL I was SNESter) I stopped reading 
> for awhile--it was as technical and complex, if not moreso, than that
> big scientific magic discussion was...

*/me pouts.  "Kory, don't you love me anymore?  You don't even remember my
participation?"*  Well, I have already said my "technical and complex"
piece (what can I say, I *am* a Queer activist after all) and I will not
continue to discuss unless the active posters on the list wish to continue
the dicussion.  

> Kenneth? How do you say "I'm bored" in French, and what's the adjective 
> used for "cute"?

Well, probably the best way of saying it would be "je m'ennuye" or "c'est
ennuyeux."  At least, that would be how in Standard French.  I just found
out that in Quebecois, "tu m'ennuyes" means "I miss you."  In Standard, it
looks like "you are boring me."  Hurt itty-bitties and misunderstandings
*all over* the room! =)

> If you don't..well...all us oldies will sic Ken on you with a free
> membership card to the Drifting Ashes Club;>  Ken? do you mind when I
> threaten people with you?;P

Yes, I do.  Well, not big bunchies or anything, but some.  I have enough
problems convincing people on this list that I am not some horrible
monster who lives to flame anyone who steps out of line.  I don't!
Really! =)  I'm completely harmless (hmmm, well OK, fine, not completely,
but mostly harmless).  The only flames that I send are my patented,
semi-humorous ones about excessive quoting.  So far, no-one has said that
they thought I was serious or mean, so I have continued them, since it
seems to be a painless and non-negative way of dealing with a list-related
problem off-list.  Anyway, the point is, hmmm,...what was the point?...
oh, yeah!  The point is that however humorously intended (and Kory, I am
not singling thee out, there have been a number of people invoking my name
in similar threats), the threats using me that seem to be creating a
negative expectation about me in list-members, particularly the new ones.
I quess I just want to ask the list-at-large to please have pity on a
poor, misunderstood, and beleaguered soul and not threaten dire things in
my name.  Hopefully, if the threats cease, people will be able to form a
more balanced opinion of me (of course, for all I know, they may *still*
think I am mean and a flamer, but at least it will be an unbiased
opinion).  And Kory, I hope that thou dost not take any of this as being
directed at thee.  Thou'st been having a hard couple of days, I know, and
I am not in the least upset with thee (or anyone else).  How could I be,
after all, since I had not previously said anything on this matter?  I
just felt that it needed to be said, and thou gave me the perfect
opportunity.  My thanks.  Besides, thou knowest that I love thee more'n I
love mah luggage! =)

-----EOM

ObMisty:  I really need one at this point.  Hmmm. Okay, I am re-reading
"Storm Warning" and I have to say that I think Misty actually does a very
good job with insanity in the book.  In fact, she does such a good job,
that it doesn't even look like insanity until you step back and pull
yourself outside the character position.  Of course, the character I am
talking about is Tremane.  Does anyone else agree with me that the man is
paranoid to the point of being delusional in SW?  I know that we have some
psych people on the list, so let me ask, what would your diagnosis be of
Tremane's behavior?  I am specifically thinking about his behaviour and
thoughts just prior to and just after the first wave of the Mage-Storms
hits.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:31:43 -0800
From: "Linda Malcor, Ph.D" <legend-+AT+-oxy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid:
Message-ID: <199611241431.GAA12658-+AT+-latimes.com>

>ObMisty:  I really need one at this point.  Hmmm. Okay, I am re-reading
>"Storm Warning" and I have to say that I think Misty actually does a very
>good job with insanity in the book.  In fact, she does such a good job,
>that it doesn't even look like insanity until you step back and pull
>yourself outside the character position.  Of course, the character I am
>talking about is Tremane.  Does anyone else agree with me that the man is
>paranoid to the point of being delusional in SW?  I know that we have some
>psych people on the list, so let me ask, what would your diagnosis be of
>Tremane's behavior?  I am specifically thinking about his behaviour and
>thoughts just prior to and just after the first wave of the Mage-Storms
>hits.

Well, having read the entire Storms trilogy, I do not think that Misty
intended Tremane to be or even appear insane by anyone's definition.  I do
not think that certain major events in SB could have happened if he were.
And about that I can say no more without heading into spoiler territory.

Danya


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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 00:52:17 -0300
From: Eleonora <infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid:
Message-ID: <30E8ABF1.12CD-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy>

Ken Hyde wrote:
> Deniz wrote:
> > Agar?  As in the stuff that reeks like chicken that you cultivate
> > bacteria on?  AAAAAaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!!  Run away!!!!!
> 
> This is totally non-Misty related and very fluffy, but agar isn't just for
> science projects.  It is a kelp(? some seaweed, at least) extract that is
> used extensively in all sorts of food.  Among its more popular lurking
> places are the many varieties of ice cream.  *Yes, my mind is a veritably
> lumber-room of trivia--it comes from working at Random House and having to
> come up with interesting content sentences for various educational
> programs*

Totally true. Agar is extracted from a seaweed (read algae IIRC) and is
used in the food industry as a gelling agent. It may be found not only
in icecream but in beer, jams and jellies (sp?) of different sorts, all
those powders to prepare deserts, etc., some kinds of cheese and fish
products. Sorry, if this ruins anybody's apetite ;)
Also, it is used in science/medicine/chemistry  but not only for
cultivating bacteria. It is also used in several kinds of chromatography
and specially electrophoresis techniques.
It is true it does not smell nicely, but the stench normally associated
to a Microbiology lab (and I have never been able to get used to it the
way you get used to other nasty odors) is not only/mainly due to agar,
but to several other components of culture media and to metabolic
products produced by the bacteria and fungi themselves. 
Well, it was totally off-topic and fluffy, but I just thought I would
contribute defending agar's undeserved reputation as something horrible
:)

>Cen continued: 
> Well, of course, I love poetry.  However, the only kind I write with any
> regularity these days is haiku.  

What is haiku, may I ask?


> Cen continued:
> ObMisty:  I really need one at this point.  Hmmm. Okay, I am re-reading
> "Storm Warning" and I have to say that I think Misty actually does a very
> good job with insanity in the book.  In fact, she does such a good job,
> that it doesn't even look like insanity until you step back and pull
> yourself outside the character position.  Of course, the character I am
> talking about is Tremane.  Does anyone else agree with me that the man is
> paranoid to the point of being delusional in SW?  I know that we have some
> psych people on the list, so let me ask, what would your diagnosis be of
> Tremane's behavior?  I am specifically thinking about his behaviour and
> thoughts just prior to and just after the first wave of the Mage-Storms
> hits.

I tend to agree with Danya's viewpoint about Tremane not being insane. I
admit to not having reread SWarning recently, but I have always felt
that the poor guy was justified in his apparent paranoia. After all, the
workings of the Empire as portrayed by Tremane's comments and the
Emperor's own attitudes, were devious indeed. He is so used to looking
at things in the light of the back-stabbing and power struggle common in
the Empire that his conclusions sound plausible.

Love,

Ele
Priestess of Karma
LotPW
Dame of the OAM

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