MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 988 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Starting over by DawnRain 2) Ware/Selenay/Companions of Chosen MO's/? on overdone topics/? on Braiding(call for help)/Starting Over (fluff) by "Romylee A. Ejercito" 3) Adrian Paul/Reply to woodlark/intro by Rachel Ainsworth 4) ADMIN: holidays by Melanie Dymond Harper 5) Re: OK: Lurking's over/Starting Over/ObMisty-Q bout Bards by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: starting all over by Jaguar 7) by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 8) Re: Firewalls/ hug/open season/Starting over/Wintershard by Eleonora 9) D'oh!/Thanksgiving/BG by Jaguar 10) Delete button, Tattoos by Robbie Betts 11) sorry and starting over by belrex 12) by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 13) Criticizing Misty and Starting Over by Katherine M Brielmaier 14) theatre by lightstorm-+AT+-juno.com (Michelle N Reis) 15) Brvaes Feebly Attempts To "Nee!" Prison Guard In Attribia by Korendil 16) Thanksgiving by Kat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:17:04 -0700 From: DawnRain To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Starting over Message-ID: <329BEAF0.5FEE-+AT+-geocities.com> Sandra K Haas wrote: > who is next in line??? There are like three hundred of us, que up and > lets see who else is out there!! Sure, I'm Kris, commonly called MorningStar(Star for short) and I work at Discovery Zone here in Aurora, CO, where I also attend the community college. I love Misty's writing and I love nitpicking at little things in books that bug me. I'm still pretty new to the list but am already thinking along other lines than the old and worn paths through my mind I had. Star -- Kris Bailey--Aka MorningStar, NightFire, DawnRain, and names too darn numerous to include in this list. E-mail-- morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com bv165-+AT+-freenet.uchsc.edu kris.bailey-+AT+-sdoct.com dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9763 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 04:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Romylee A. Ejercito" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Ware/Selenay/Companions of Chosen MO's/? on overdone topics/? on Braiding(call for help)/Starting Over (fluff) Message-ID: In order: Re: Ware, Re: Companions of already Chosen MO's Questions on overdone topics, Re: Selenay, Question on Braiding (call for help), Re:Starting Over (fluff) **Re: Ware** > With all the discussion about bisexual characters(or lack of) in >Misty's writing, what about the demon (Were?) in 'If I Pay Thee Not in >Gold'? Could Were be classed as bi? I'm not the world's expert on sexuality, but I'd say yes. Ware was bi b/c he/she had to be, it was his nature. But could this be Misty's way of saying that a person's sexuality _is_ a part of one's nature and can't be denied? Hmm, I just realized that the way Ware was portrayed was the stereotype of someone bi (the one where someone bi wants a relationship with two ppl of diff. sexes at the same time). Was this accidental? Deliberate? If the latter, was it b/c she knew the stereotype and wrote it that way ironically or whatever, or was it b/c it would be better for the plot? **Re: Companion of Herald Chosen to be MO** >What happens to a Herald's Companion when he is already a Herald and is Chosen MO?? Danya answered this, but in case you want to check it out yourself, I think it got mentioned in Arrows of the Queen. Drat, I really need to get a modem, so I can refer to the books when necessary. I'll try and hunt for the page, but I'm pretty sure it's in one of the Arrows books. (I'm a lot of help, aren't I? *self-deprecating smile*) **Question about Overdone Topics** >As I promised in my last post, here is a list of some of the topics that have previously been discussed on the list.... Where can I get a synopsis of the discussions on these topics? I've been curious about them, perhaps some wise elder would be willing to impart a few pearls of wisdom to this poor, ignorant creature? **Re: Why was Selenay allowed to marry what'shisface?** I am merely speculating here, what if Selenay's marriage to what's-his-name was sort of preordained? Maybe. Maybe her Companion _did_ warn her, but she was so infatuated she ignored the advice? Hey, gwena saw right through whathisface that was seducing Elspeth in AFall. They don't buy into charm. Absolutely correct-o Elspeth also ignored Gwena's advice, right? (fluff) As for who could play Selenay, yeah E. thompson would be good, but not M. Sirtis. I'd go for G. McFadden, she looks more regal. **Question on Braiding(fluff)** How do you braid? I use Pine for my e-mail, it's hellishly difficult to cut and paste from several messages, b/c I can only keep one open at one time, and I can't even keep my outbox (?) open at the same time as my inbox. If anyone knows how to braid in Pine, help! **Re: Starting Over (fluff)** > Enough of me blabbing. how but the rest of you? I'm Mylee, aka Kais (Pern), aka Yrrin (Jjyref). Should I create a Velgarth name too? Anyway, I'm a newbie, I've been on the list for 47 hours now, and have received a ton of mail. I'm a little confused, but then again, I always am. I love Misty, obviously, the first thing I read was that S&S3 short story. I'm a newbie when it comes to discussion groups as well, my mail must have quadrupled ever since I joined. I'm in college, doing bio (possibly pre-med) and failing organic chemistry. I got hooked on scifi through Asimov, and then McCaffrey, and now I can't stop. I couldn't wait for AM to write a new novel, so I joined a Pern group for that, the same is true for ML. I'm a Trekkie, and I'm unfortunate enough to go to university in a town that has no cinemas, and no malls. I'm dying to watch First Contact, and I can't! *sob* Mylee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M. Ejercito rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu If you are given an open-book exam, you will forget your book. COROLLARY: If you are given a take-home test, you will forget where you live. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:00:09 +1300 (NZDT) From: Rachel Ainsworth To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Adrian Paul/Reply to woodlark/intro Message-ID: <199611271000.XAA09606-+AT+-ihug.co.nz> Aloha listmembers. Rainwood wrote: >I love Amberdrake. But who is Adrian Paul? confused> I've never heard of him before. Adrain Paul is the star of Highlander (the series). There is also Highlander the cartoon and Highlander the movies which (IMO) don't have the same appeal as the series. Adrian Paul is a big part of the appeal of the series. The Highlander is about a group of people who become immortals instead of dying. They then run around killing each other by decapitation with big swords, as this is a way that immortals can be killed. I think that Adrain Paul would be the perfect Amberdrake, well, um, just because. In my minds eye I can see him doing all the things that Amberdrake does, especially the scene(s) in which he is dressed in Shin'a'in clothing (for some strange reason). And to Summersong who wrote: >No! He's too macho-looking. I have to say that I see Amberdrake as a strong male character, and while this doesn't infer anything about how he looks, I think that a man who is a strong virile (can you tell that I had to resort to the dictionary? :) ) looking man goes along with the character I see. I don't think that we will reach agreement on this as you think that Brent Spiner is supersexiestmanintheworldmostfabulousawesometotheextreme, and I feel exactly the same way about Adrian Paul. >I wrote: >>Warning: delurking occuring! I think I have something to teach the Klingons >>about not being seen! >Then woodlark asked: >Why? How long have you been lurking? I've been lurking for almost three months, since the end of august. Part of that was that I was busy ( sport, varsity, friends), and the other part was that I hadn't read enough Misty books to know what was going on. (I have just finished AotQ, during which there were moments in which suddenly half understood ideas became clear. I also agree with Sandy who wrote: >I have read this list for probably two years. I say read, because I don't >contribute much. I either feel it has already been said, or that no one >will care what I say. I love Misty, I love this list. Most of the time because I read the postings every two or three days so that if there was something I might have said it had already been said by the time I got to the end of digest. I didn't want to send posts saying me too so I didn't say anything. Ok, starting over. I'm Rachel Ainsworth and I live in New Zealand. I am twenty years old and am currently in the middle of summer holidays before varsity starts again. I spend my time reading, doing stuff with friends and playing sport. I also love watching Icehockey on tv, so at times wish that I lived in a country that had lots of it on tv. I'm definitely introverted, perfering to spend my time reading instead of doing things I don't like to conform to my peer group. I like reading the list because anything Misty related can be freely discussed by people with different viewpoints. I am always interested in hearing opinions that are different from my own, although I will not necesarily agree with them. Thats it. Bye Rachel ainswort-+AT+-ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:31:58 GMT From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: holidays Message-ID: <199611271031.KAA13876-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> A quick plea to all you US folks who are off for Thanksgiving -- if you haven't already gone! If there's any likelihood that you're going to fill up your mailbox or overrun your quota while you're gone, I'd appreciate it if you'd set to POSTPONE, preferably, or DIGEST as a second-best while you're gone. Otherwise I get bouncemail from every message sent to the list, which makes my life more difficult. To do this, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, leave the subject line blank if possible (use "No Subject" if not), and the message should read set mercedes-lackey mail postpone or set mercedes-lackey mail digest Thanks Mel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 05:58:57 -0500 From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OK: Lurking's over/Starting Over/ObMisty-Q bout Bards Message-ID: <961127055856_232138118-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-11-26 20:00:36 EST, Kory wrote: > BTW, do some many people find my > topics really annoying? And if so, why don't people tell me these things? I don't, I find them interesting and entertaining, but then, being your High Priestess, I could be biased . ============================================================= Okay, my turn. I'm NightShade, known as Sarah in RL. I started reading Misty at the age of 11 or 12, with Arrows of the Queen. Ever since then I have read everything of hers I could get my greedy little hands on . Like Kory, I am a major night person, and thus, not surprisingly, am his High Priestess. I too, am involved in the Magewar, but actively, unlike *some* people (yes, Kory dear, that is a hint). Among my other titles is Lady of the Pink Wand, since I absolutely drool over Van, Stef, and Firesong, among others . And I spend quite a bit of time in the Lilac Fairy's Bower. In the Magewar I belong to The Ones In Black faction, and I also belong to The Order Of Amber And Marigold, as a Knight sworn to defend Vanyels honor. I've belonged to the list since Sep. 23rd, a little over two months now. I don't really consider myself a newbie, Dax's "youngbie" would be more accurate, I think. Oh, and I'm 20, if anyone's curious. There, I think I've bored you all enough. For now . ObMisty: I really need one don't I? Well, hmm . . . um, um, why is it we don't see that much of Bards? Yes, we had Stef, but he wasn't a main character. Personally, I'd like to see a book concentrating on the Bards, you know a book where they play a very important role. I'd also like to know more about Bardic magic, we know it can be used to manipulate emotions, but what else can it do? Blessed Be, NightShade OIB, LotPW, High Priestess Of All Things Nocturnal, & Knight Of The OAM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jaguar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: starting all over Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Becky Anne Christensen wrote: > Green, back in the dawn of time (okay, so it was only a few months ago, > when the magewar, or mage duel, first started, I was feeling dramatic) Hey Becky.. 'fraid not. It was.... well, Tammy and I were the first members of both our groups and that was in January! So it was more than a few months ago... gods. The 'Wars have been going on for almost a year now... Oh well :) Blessed be, Jaguar Leader of the Cat People "HI! I haven't seen you this entire incarnation! Goddess of Large Hunter Cats Where have you been keeping yourself?" Chronicler of the Mage Wars -- Ram Dass, spiritualist Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 14:39:57 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: <9611271339.AA12828-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> hai, thanks for those who replied to my query about my what to do with my dying twin (fiction people, fiction - I don't have a *real* dying twin). I shall let it sit in my head for a few days, then go for a long, lone walk - I get whole chapters drafted on my walks. I also get funny looks as I march along muttering conversations - but hey, wossimatter? Appropos Sandy's request to start over - hear hear - drop it, one and all, puhleeeeese. I'm 38, work for the European Space Agency in the Netherlands, on the science team responsible for a satellite observatory. I only have internet access from work, which is why I suddenly disappear sometimes, dammed work gets in the way. I'm married, write my "story" spasmodically, read a lot - starting ML back when Arrows first appeared in paperback. I joined this list a year or so back and lurked in silence for about a month until I'd got a feel for the netiquette/in jokes/subject matter. I started adult life as a nurse, gave it up at 32 to go back to college, and got a BSc hons. in astrophysics. (This after dropping out of physics at 13, and quitting school at 16 - so - have faith in yourself - it works!) Okaaaay, what else can I contribute?? Y'know (ah, well, some of you will know already, and some of you will know after reading the next bit) how we've mentioned ML's lack of interest in food in her Valdemar books - we've no idea what people generally eat - there's the odd reference to a meal - seems to be a lot of cheese, meat pies, bubbly pies (or is that berry pies, or are both McCaffrey and nowt to do with ML?). They drink wine, beer - tea?, coffee?, milk?, coke? Klah (or is that McKinley's Damar). Anyhow, now you all know, having just read Fire Rose - there's food mentioned a'plenty - but there's no fire, no soul, no desparate desire to eat - I still think ML isn't a foodie. Me? I love the stuff, love to cook, love to eat - thank the skies I inherited a lanky body with a pretty rapid metabolism - mind you, I push it! Are there tubby, cuddly, rotund, people in Valdemar? Are all Tayledras lean, long and lanky? Questions, questions that's me for the day, I *must* do some work dooie, Esmeralda (dooie is dutch for ...... er well .. hi, bye, 'lo, t'ra - help me out here Rozanna! Hai is dutch for hi - tadaaaaaa! Good eh? Okay, okay I'm off - an exciting afternoon of html'ing awaits) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:45:07 -0300 From: Eleonora To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Firewalls/ hug/open season/Starting over/Wintershard Message-ID: <329C45E3.6CC7-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy> Rainwood/Jefferson wrote: > Eleonora said: > >>Frankly, Rainwood, I feel the Companions pay mostly lip service to the > not meddling issue. However, and I am merely speculating here, > what if Selenay's marriage to what's-his-name was sort of preordained? > Just felt by speculating (so I will go duck behind my server's firewall > just in case :))<< > > No > coconuts. No flamethrower. I really wish we could stop ducking and > sheeping all the time. :) Actually, I did not say I would cower behind a firewall because I was in the least 'afraid' or anything. Not at all!! It was just a humorous expression, and the choice stemmed mainly from the fact that I had been compiling material for an Internet course I taught and I included a picture of a virtual firewall, and it just came to mind. As I said, I have never included any of the sheeps, ducks, dons asbestos or anything as serious. Just as a touch of humor to warn others that I had probably said something outrageous and knew it :) >Rainwood continued > Now would you please > come out from behind that wall? Okay, okay, BIG GROUP HUG!! blue, puts on a Goofy hat, Hawaiian shirt and *poof*> Goooody! That was....verrry nice :) :) :) Rainwood wrote regarding several coments about 'not caring' what anybody thought: > I am profoundly disheartened to hear someone *say* that about this list, > because, people, we *should* care. I agree completely. I assume those comments were made in anger or while the writer was somehow hurting, and if that is the case, as a list member, and therefore accountable for what is going on, I feel sorry. But as Rainwood so aptly expressed, the fact that they have taken the time to explain what they thought was wrong with the list is proof that they DO care. Regarding my questions about whether Grove Born Companions could come back as Heralds, Danya puzzled me by saying: > There is evidence of this, but, unfortunately, it's in SB. I have read SB, and the only evidence I can come up with is about an 'ordinary' Companion coming back as a Herald. Nothing about a GB. Is thre really?? And in response to my: > What happens to a Herald's Companion when he is already a Herald and is Chosen MO?? > she said > The original Companion simply withdraws and the Herald bonds with the MOC. I believe something is said about this in AotQ, but it does not really make sense to me. We are told time and time again that a Herald Companion bond is somethign awesome. That if one of them dies the other soon follows. So I just cannot imagine a Herald bonding with the MOC, and sort of relegating his first bonded Companion. It somehow does not make sense. It is different in the case of Jisa, when Van explains to Randi and Shavri that she might be Chosen in order to get the training, but that it will not be a bonded choosing. But in the case of someone like Van, who after years of sharing his life with 'fandes might have been chosen by Taver.....doesn't make much sense and seems to run counter what we have been led to believe... Nightshade wrote: > In a message dated 96-11-26 20:00:36 EST, Kory wrote: > > > BTW, do some many people find my > > topics really annoying? And if so, why don't people tell me these things? > > I don't, I find them interesting and entertaining, but then, being your High > Priestess, I could be biased . Me too, I DO find them fun, and since I am NOT your HP I am certainly not biased :) I do understand the point people are trying to make about subject headings containing the real subject, but I have found both in this list and in professional lists that the subject headings are merely an indication at most, and I tend to at least skim everything and then guide my expectations not so much by subject headings but by the author's style. For instance, in Kory's case, his braids contain comments about nearly everything regardless of the subject heading, and if he were to include every subject covered in the braid it would be impossible. > the 28th of November is KHENTA'S BIRTHDAY!!!!! Get ready. Khenta, since I will have a hectic day tomorrow and I might forget your birthday, let me gift you in advance with a flagon of water and a jazmin. The flagon will pour into your cup the beverage you most wish for at a certain time, and the jazmin will never wilt and scent your path. > > Ele said: > >>>At about the same time Deniz posted her newbie fest and it DID explain a > lot of things such as the Drifting Ashes, etc., etc.<<< > > Why, thanks. Err... I accidentally dumped it, but if you want, I can rewrite > the Newbie-Fest. Do you guys think it's neccessary? I still have a copy as a matter of fact, and I have posted it to those newbies newer than me who have asked for help (keeping your copyright and all the attributions of course :):)) It might be a good idea to add some things to it (such as a true sheep explanation - yes, Deniz - since the cat is now truly out of the bag you cannot go on torturing newbies :):) and have it sent to newbies, or included in the FAQs or something like that. Starting over. . . Well, here I go, guess it's my turn. My name is Eleonora Scoseria, Ele for short, Eleanor in Elendor MUSH (yes, I know!!! I am mighty original with my personas's names but I am terribly absentminded and I might forget who I was when :)) In RL I was born and have always lived in Uruguay, South America, where I am a pharmaceutical technologist/pharmacist/Pharm D/pharmaceutical chemist or whatever your equivalent is. Basically I have the equivalent of a MSc in Chemistry and graduate and postgraduate degrees in pharmacy, specially its technological aspects (product development, scale-up, and pharmaceutical plant design). I also own a small information brokerage company in partnership with my mother who also happens to be my best friend, and we provide information products and services, mainly in the biomedical / pharmaceutical areas. My most recent and exhausting achievement was putting together an Internet course for fellow pharmacists and doctors, which I will also put on a Web server in the near future. The experience was great but my brain cells are exhausted. I love both activities (professional and business) and have a hard time splitting myself between them. Reading is one of my best ways of healing my body and my spirit and getting my energies back. I love Misty's works, both for the fantasy and the way she shows that there is no one true way. I love jazz dancing, and painting and acting, but I have not had much time for any of those passtimes lately. I also read David Eddings, Louise Cooper, Julie Dean Smith, Tolkien of course, Jane Austen :) and Khalil Gibran among others. I have never read Piers Anthony but after so much discussion about him I am thinking of getting one of his books. Anyone can come up with a suggestion?? I would like to see/read for myself. As you all probably know I have been on the list for about a month and had a great time. I am one of Cennydd's Priestesses of Karma, although I no longer want to turn Wintershard into a radish :) (art thou listening, you demon???? I have forgiven thou!!!) and also a Lady of the Pink Wand (I am hopelessly in love with Vanyel) and a Dame of the OAM, since I am willing to defend my hero. BTW, I am 30, so though I am a newbie I am probably one of the oldies in another sense; certainly not a youngbie :). Well, did you make it down here?? That's all for now. Blessings, Ele Priestess of Karma LotPW Dame of the OAM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jaguar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: D'oh!/Thanksgiving/BG Message-ID: D'oh! Sorry, guys, meant to send that private mail to Becky. Oh well, while I'm here... ----------- Subject Break Thanksgiving is specifically an American holiday... supposed to be a holiday of giving thanks to ... people (never was quite clear on who, myself) and in rememberance of the theoretical first thanksgiving when the Pilgrims invited the Native Americans to a feast in thanks for their help that enabled the Pilgrims to survive... very Pre-K kindergarten, but the more I learn of history the more I'm skeptical/doubtful/cynical about the whole thing. ----------- Subject break I didn't think Black Gryphon was all that bad. (sorry, I can't remember who said they didn't like it as much as most) It seemed more like an action-adventure novel than anything, but a *good* action-adventure book. I also didn't think Silver Gryphon was that bad either, but I thought the storyline was more appropriate to a short story, too. I think that, without the whole parental-child angst, it *would* have been a short story.. or maybe not a short story, but a novella (is that the right word? you know, those short stories that arent, but appear in collections of three or four... like Stephen King's Different Seasons or Ursula LeGuin's ... thingy. Damn. Can't remember the name now.. oh well) Blessed be, Jaguar Leader of the Cat People "HI! I haven't seen you this entire incarnation! Goddess of Large Hunter Cats Where have you been keeping yourself?" Chronicler of the Mage Wars -- Ram Dass, spiritualist Lady in Green ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:44:15 -0500 From: Robbie Betts To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Delete button, Tattoos Message-ID: On: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:23:19 +0000, Icewolf said >>> Subject: Someone find me a rocking chair... Message-ID: snip...snip...snip Well, folks, I'm pretty sure I've stepped on a lot of toes here, but I don't particularly care anymore. I have a delete button. <<< Here! Here! Here!!! I agree. If someone is that easily upset/offended, then they should get a life/delete button themselves. I know that I have better things to do with my time than read something that is all flame and has no intelligence in it to back up. I tend to NOT listen to "authorities" (i.e., degree'ed peoples), especially if the only way they refute something is to say "I've got a and you don't, so I know what I'm talking about and you don't." That, to me, is an insult to anyone's intelligence, (including the person saying it). Robbie On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:20:09 -0500, Rose said <<< SNIP: Obmisty: Uh.. is it a copyright infringment to get a tattoo copied form Larry's work (yes, I like his work)? Snip.snip.snip... Kawryathen<<< It probably is, but do you really think he would care, and it is doubtful that he could actually do anything about it, I mean, afterall, he'd have to take you to court, and then have it displayed (so try and put it somewhere really embarrassing), win the case, thereby having the judge FORCE you to have it removed, etc... It wouldn't be good publicity at all for him to invoke the copyright laws in this case. (Although I'd love to try to get him to sign it, and then get the signature tattooed on as well...;)) Robbie But then Danya said: snip...snip... << To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sorry and starting over Message-ID: <329C9A63.61E6-+AT+-ra.msstate.edu> Sorry everyone, if i stepped on some toes. I wrote my thoughts down yesterday before i had a chance to really think about them. I kinda got caught up in the heat of everyone's arguments. Now that i think about it, it is a good thing that we are not all in awe of Misty's work. If we were i would probably get worried. I really do believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion(believe it or not). But i am sure that everyone knows how it feel when someone rags on something favorite of yours. That is how i feel sometimes.(I was kinda insulted when someone said that silver gryphon was better suited as a door stop: I know , i know they were probably joking but, you know how irrational people get sometimes). Well to tend everyone's wounds if offer up to all the gods, goddesses, priests, priestesses, and other characters(sorry if i misspelled, i am in a hurry) magical cds. Tell the cd what you want to hear and it will play it.(Enya forever!!!). Starting over. My real name is Rex Garretson. I am a 19 year old male attending Mississippi State University. I am 5'9" with redhair and blue eyes. I am a virgo. I have two different characters. The first resides in Misty's World. His name is Herald-trainee Rex Aigle(if you don't speak frech and latin it is loosly translated as Eagle King). I was chosen by the female companion Lothrien. Rien for short. I come from the Three Rivers area, the same as Mero in Arrows. I believe in the one true way. I am half native Valdamarian and half Tayledras(correct my spelling please). I have mindspeech, fetching, and animal mindspeech. I have mage abliities from my Tayledras ancestors. My mother's side. I will have a bondbird soon. My other character resides in the world of David Eddings. I am the disciple of the new god Eriond. I am known as Belrex. I am from the Algar Plains. I am a sorcerer. I use the will and the word. See everyone after Thanksgiving. Wind to thy wings always. Herald-trainee Rex Aigle (smile, it confuses the hell out of people) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:03:10 -0700 (MST) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: <961127110310.202024f2-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> SUSPEND ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:53:03 -0600 (CST) From: Katherine M Brielmaier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Criticizing Misty and Starting Over Message-ID: RE: Misty and her talents You know, I've been thinking a bit about all this lately (me, thinking, is pretty scary, especially during Finals). Anyway, my first ML was The Lark and the Wren, and it was the first time I couldn't wait to get home from school so I could read some more. It was truly a wonderful experience. Before that, I'd read Lewis, Susan Cooper, Tolkien, L'Engle, Duane, all of those older or "for young adult" writers, but Lark and Wren was really the first book to bring me into the modern fantasy genre. So I went on a Misty spree, cleaned out the local bookstore, and never looked back. But, I do think that there are some things in her work that need a little cleaning up. (I'm not going to bore you by naming them, because it wouldn't make any real point and it'd just probably start an argument). But no author is sacred. That's the wonderful thing I've always liked about this list. It's quite cerebral, compared to others I've seen. We discuss plotlines, character development, writing style, buried themes, genres, ad infinitum. If nothing else, it's just a good place to find out about *other* authors too. Sure there's been a lot of stress around here lately, but that's the way it goes. The list has cycles, depending on the numbers of people we have contributing, the time of year, the time of academic year, the current subject, and of course, the number of "strong personalities" we get around here. Personally, I think the list is a helluva lot more interesting when we get some good arguments going, than when we get "I think this this this and this" and everybody else nods and says "yeah, You're so right!" How bland. I'm not saying that agreeing is a bad thing (I do plenty of it myself) but I *am* saying that sometimes a little heat adds spice to life. This does not include wanton flaming, of course, just heated discussion. I refuse to get involved in "what I think is wrong with the list", so instead I'm focusing on some positive issues. I like it here. I like the discussions, I like the people, I like the different points of view and the arguments that result from them once in a while. I even like the fluff, most of the time. Hang in there. It'll be all right. RE: Starting over. I am Kaatje (here, and in Real Life--although only close friends are allowed to use it, so feel honored ;) ). I've been on the list for, oh, probably a year now, since I think I first subscribed last fall (or maybe even the spring before that, but my memory isn't very good, so I have no idea). I'm more of a lurker, I think. I enjoy watching the conversation go around, and stepping in to contribute a couple of thoughts now and again. I'm a student in English and Anthropology (studying Folklore, really, but there's no major for that here) at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities-Minneapolis. I read as much as I can outside of class--ML, Kennealy-Morrison, Kay, MZB, Steinbeck, L'Engle, Morrison (Toni), Tolkien, anything--you name it. I play the flute, violin, and a few folk instruments and I enjoy all sort of music. I have yet to try any ML stuff, though--I just can't seem to bring myself to spend the money. I keep needing it for silly things, like food and clothing. 's e do bheatha, Kaatje ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:05:58 EST From: lightstorm-+AT+-juno.com (Michelle N Reis) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: theatre Message-ID: <19961127.121419.10854.3.Lightstorm-+AT+-juno.com> hey guys, remember in WoFu Elspeth&Co hid out in a performer's caravan on the way into Hardorn. Seems to me that there were performers there too.Sorry this doestn't contain more, but i have to leave for class. zhai'helleva Lightstorm, Lady of the Pink Wand, Dame of the Order of Amber and Marigold "Thought is barred in this City of Dreadful Joy and conversation is unknown."- Aldus Huxley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 15:04:36 -0500 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Brvaes Feebly Attempts To "Nee!" Prison Guard In Attribia Message-ID: <9611272010.AA23492-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> Romylee said: >I've been curious about them, perhaps some wise elder would be willing to >impart a few pearls of wisdom to this poor, ignorant creature? I'm wondering here--do you mean this seriously, afriad of being flamed, or are you just sorta being sarcastic...I always assumed the latter, but after certain posts I'm not sure I can be sure of anything. > Maybe. Maybe her Companion _did_ warn her, but she was so >infatuated she ignored the advice? Hmm...good idea;> BTW, iirc, it wasn't an alliance-marriage..lemme go check in the Concordance..he arrived not very long after she got the throne, so her dad was already dead...yes, she was infatuated and rushed into marriage...hmm. Something here doesn't seem right. The Concordance seems to say that he sent for Hulda as part of his usurping plan; she had been his nurse. That leads one to conclude that Hulda had messed up him, than failed with El, and moved on to Ancar. But I thought AotQ said that this Hulda had assumed the place of the real one? The section on Hulda agrees that the Prince-from-Hell did send for her to further his plots. Hmm. ooo...more interesting, if unrelated stuff! Another gift companions have! Lavan *didn't* have control over his gift--his Companion did! It wasn't just grief that made him call down that Firestorm, but lack of anything to control it. > How do you braid? I use Pine for my e-mail, it's hellishly >difficult to cut and paste from several messages, b/c I can only keep one >open at one time, and I can't even keep my outbox (?) open at the same >time as my inbox. If anyone knows how to braid in Pine, help! Romylee? What you're doing now, with responding to multiple subjects in one email--that's a braid! A good one, too! btw, welcome to the list. I think you're gonna be here awhiles. Just ignore all of us arguing about list atmosphere--you're a *good* newbie;> My HIgh Priestess Nightshade asked: > why is it we don't see that much of Bards? Yes, we >had Stef, but he wasn't a main character. Personally, I'd like to see a book >concentrating on the Bards, you know a book where they play a very important >role. I'd also like to know more about Bardic magic, we know it can be used >to manipulate emotions, but what else can it do? I've never really consiously wondered about that, but it would be fun. Bard's have that sorta Skif-like easy-going appeal to them. OOoo...just think of a book about *Leslac*! ;> j/k..yeah..he wasn't a Bard...but it'd still be fun;P Maybe a book about that Bard who Van adored when he came to visit Forst Reach? YOu know..the one he thought was only a minstrel.. Esme asked (see? I'm really doing lotsa on-topic stuff!): >Y'know (ah, well, some of you will >know already, and some of you will know after reading the next bit) how >we've mentioned ML's lack of interest in food in her Valdemar books - >we've no idea what people generally eat - there's the odd reference to >a meal - seems to be a lot of cheese, meat pies, bubbly pies (or is that >berry pies, or are both McCaffrey and nowt to do with ML?). They drink >wine, beer - tea?, coffee?, milk?, coke? Klah (or is that McKinley's Damar). Well, save up and get the Arrows Concordance--not only food, but *recipes*! LOtsa...goose. Goose live. Holiday goose. etc. etc....bubbly pies are Pern. And so's klah;> One day I'm gonna use that recipe for klah from the Pern thingy..I think velgarth has wine, not sure about beer...prolly has milk...coffe and tea, I dunno. prolly not coke--oh, wait! WHat about that stuff the Tayledras have? the stuff EL and Darkwind eat? passion wossname? it had an italicized exotic name too, though..that, I think, was Misty's closest to food description--and a bit in SR, iirc. Ele said: >But in the case of someone >like Van, who after years of sharing his life with 'fandes might have >been chosen by Taver.....doesn't make much sense and seems to run >counter what we have been led to believe... Well, I think it might be that whole preordained thing again--if someone's gonna be chosen,it won't be a strong bond the first time 'round.... Well, Happy Birthday, Khenta...not gonna go fluff or anything...not with tempers being what they are. Ele continued: >My name is Eleonora Scoseria, Ele >for short, Eleanor in Elendor MUSH Whoah! Maybe I should say something more than "Ele" in my attribs, then!;> DOn't wanna confuzzle your personas;P >I have forgiven thou!!! forgiven *thee*;P Deniz! ye' stole my sig!;> BTW, about "why do we constantly talk about how bad the misty books are, instead of how good?"...I think that this may have started with people realizing "Hey! We don't have to take Misty as Gospel!", in a period when we did, and it might of gone a bit...overboard. btw, Becky...I agree with the off-list deification, if it really bothers people so much--otoh, if things bother people, why don't you *tell* us? So far, I haven't seen many people who *are* annoyed with it; or with anything, except braiding. And the anti-braiding people all have totally different, and in some cases, very ephemeral reasoning... About what Rainwood said 'bout caring--I agree. I've seen a lot of that here recently "Here's my take, choose to see it however, since I don't care what you say since I'm pissed at how foolish everyone is lately." I think we should have more of a "Here's my take, see it as you will, just understand I'm not trying to get anyone mad, and can we please work this out?" Rainwood said: > I don't recall Rolan meddling except >to shield Talia when she fell to pieces in AFlight, and the famous >rescue from Ancar. Well, he erased her memories twice: about choosing her, and about Gwena's being GB. Was Talia on El's side about going to find a mage in WoFate? If not, then Rolan must have gotten to her, like Caryo did Selenay.. Oh..for the song thing (I think about it when I'm bored) Bush's new song..Greedy FLy, or something (can't find the jewel box right now), on Razorblade Suitcase..I think it might be good for Dave.... -+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile. |B E|______________________________________________________________|E D|"Assimilate *this*!" --Worf, Star Trek: First Contact|D .|"Resistance is Futile." --Data, Star Trek: First Contact|. N|"I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!--EMH, Star Trek: First Contact|N E|"The line must be drawn HERE!"--Picard, ST: First Contact |E T|______________________________________________________________|T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: Kat To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Thanksgiving Message-ID: I will be (alas) gone for a few days during the Thanksgiving break. So, let me say have a very Happy Birthday Khenta. May you have one full minute of pure undiluted joy. When I come back, I think I will re-introduce myself, seeing as I never really did it in the first place, I just kind of jumped on and started making comments. Oh, BTW, tommorow on TBS they are showing Legend, Willow and White Fang. All good movies, if you have or haven't seen them.. Val Kilmer.. OBMisty: Hmmmmmm.... We know Heralds have perminent relationships of some for (Life bonded, married, ect. even if it doesn't really happen that often) do Companions have long lasting relationships? How does a lifebond between Heralds affect their companions??? Kat Priestess of Karma Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 988 *********************************