MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 989 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Starting over by anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com (Dawn L. Anderson) 2) Answers & Comments on Jeanne's reply to Kory by ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com 3) Hulda/Drake&Skan/Firewalls?/Happy. . . by Rainwood/Jefferson 4) Re: Starting Over by tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood) 5) Windrider by Tiffanie Gray 6) Brvaes Pouts When the Guard Ignores Him by Korendil 7) Re: Ware/Selenay/Companions of Chosen MO's/? on overdone by Chris & Sean Talbot 8) *peeking around corner* I'm back.. by Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com 9) by Eleonora 10) Re: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. by Phoenix 11) Re: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. by Becky Anne Christensen 12) Re: starting all over by Becky Anne Christensen 13) Starting. Just...Starting. by Jeff Pugh 14) fluff on the list by Rozanna McNeer 15) Brvaes Wonders If He Can Escape By Humming "Windrider" by Korendil 16) Re: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. by Eleonora 17) bards & their Gifts by Rozanna McNeer 18) lifebondeds - lotsa questions by Rozanna McNeer 19) Re: lifebondeds - lotsa questions by Becky Anne Christensen 20) Birthday/starting over by Soljan-+AT+-aol.com 21) Starting Over[mostly fluff] by JWSCHM00-+AT+-UKCC.UKY.EDU 22) Re:Lifebondeds by Rose 23) Re: starting all over by mishi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:58:40 EST From: anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com (Dawn L. Anderson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com Subject: Re: Starting over Message-ID: <19961127.145750.17854.0.anderbdm-+AT+-juno.com> Well I guess its my turn. My name is Dawn I don't have a persona on this list, but I am Sorceress Iris on the Xanth list, if anyone cares :). Anyway, I am a full time mother, wife and a part-time student at the local tech school. We live in northern Wisconsin in a small town by a lake with beautiful forest surrounding us. I have been married for 13 years, and I have a son who will be 13 on Dec. 25. 1983 was a good Christmas. My hobbies are reading and collecting science fiction novels, and knitting. My first Misty story was in the Sword and Sorceress lll (hope thats the right number) which unfortunately has disapeared from my collection, and my first misty novel was Oathbound. Besides Misty I also enjoy Marion Z. Bradley, Anne McCaffrey, Larry Niven, Orson Scott Card, Piers Anthony, Andre Norton and the list gos on. I hope this helps you get to know I really a friendly person and promise not to bite anyones head. Sorceress Iris/Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:21:14 -0500 From: ShadowJaz-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Answers & Comments on Jeanne's reply to Kory Message-ID: <961127162113_1784463497-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-11-26 23:00:04 EST, Jeanne wrote: > Please explain for me (and I *am* serious, I really don't understand) how > you get telling the list about Jake and not being mad at Ele or Nightshade > out of "Braid Stands In For Brvaes In Order To Decree Two Things"? This > subject header makes absolutely no sense to me. Okay, I really have to step in here. Kory will have to tell you what the Brvaes thing is about. Although, I don't know when you joined or anything, but he *did* explain that, and quite recently. I personally have no problem understanding his headers, but, oh well, here goes: The reason the above header is quite correct is because he said two things, 1. he didn't want anyone else on the list to get mad and flame at Myself and Ele for what we said to Kory, as he wasn't mad about it. And 2. He was apologizing about Jake and letting everyone know that he was gonna lurk for a bit in observance of recent problems caused by things he said. 'Kay? I hope that's clear enough. > So if I understand you correctly, your opinion is that because this is a > discussion list a person shouldn't join if they have questions to ask? No, no, no. That's not what he was saying at all. He was *saying* that if your only reason for joining is just to ask a couple questions, then it's pointless. He was saying that the hypothetical person did *not* join for the purpose of discussion, just to ask questions. > True. But then again, why should a member of a list for discussion of the > works of Mercedes Lackey Discussion List have to put up with deifications or > mage wars at all? Especially when we're in a cycle where some people seem to > want to restrict the *on-topic* discussion items. Look Jeanne, this is a *discussion* list, and it has 300 people on it. With that many people, with all kinds of differences, it's impossible to make everyone happy. Are you saying that the rest of us should never have any fluff in our posts, that we can't have inside jokes with our friends, just because *you* don't like it? Sorry dear, but Auntie Mel's rules apply to *everyone*, that means newbies, elders, and inbetweeners too. *She* says we can have fluff, and until she says no, it's going to stay that way, there are many members who like it, it allows us to get to know each other better. Maybe you're not interested in getting to know us, but there are others who *are*. We all have opinions and thoughts, and we have a right to them. This isn't a flame or an attack, but if you choose to take it as such fine. But if you feel the urge to flame, do so offlist, onlist it's a no no. Also, I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong, I'm just disaggreeing with you. Blessed Be, NightShade OIB, LotPW, High Priestess Of All Things Nocturnal, & Knight Of The OAM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:53:10 -0800 From: Rainwood/Jefferson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hulda/Drake&Skan/Firewalls?/Happy. . . Message-ID: <329BF366.7F58-+AT+-earthlink.net> Korendil wrote: > >>>The Concordance seems to say that he sent for Hulda as part of his usurping plan; she had > been his nurse. That leads one to conclude that Hulda had messed up him, > than failed with El, and moved on to Ancar. But I thought AotQ said that > this Hulda had assumed the place of the real one? Iirc, they came to the conclusion in AotQ that the Hulda who made it to Haven was *not* the Hulda from Rethwellan. There were no records of her passing over the border. No one knew who sponsored her into the country until much later, when they all found out what a baddie Orthallen was. So I doubt that *our * Hulda was anywhere near wossname-Elspeth's father, during his childhood. I don't have the concordance, but my take on it is that Orthallen probably *arranged* for the real Hulda to dissapear somewhere between the Rethwellan Court and Valdemar's border, after she'd been sent for and begun her journey. Jaguar said: >>>I didn't think Black Gryphon was all that bad. I also didn't think Silver Gryphon was that bad either, but I thought the storyline was more appropriate to a short story, too. I think that, without the whole parental-child angst, it *would* have been a short story..<<< I really loved the Gryphon series and not just because Amberdrake is such a wonderful character ;>. I enjoyed Silver Gryphon a lot. The suspense, the *mystery* of discovering what had gone wrong. I loved seeing Drake and Skan as worried parents, although I was disappointed that Zhaneel and Winterhart didn't get more airtime as such. If it were MY child, as a mother, I'd raise such a fuss that Drake and Skan would look positively angelic. I think it would've been disappointing as a short story - I wanted MORE of SG, not less! IMO, the one she should've ended sooner was WG. I hesitate to call it a waste of paper, but I certainly felt like I'd wasted the money to buy the hardcover when it first came out. Ele said: >>>Actually, I did not say I would cower behind a firewall because I was in the least 'afraid' or anything. Not at all!! As I said, I have never included any of the sheeps, ducks, dons asbestos or anything as serious. Just as a touch of humor to warn others that I had probably said something outrageous and knew it :)<<<< I didn't mean to imply that you were cowering my friend! I could've been more clear. I just have seen so many sheeps, ducks, aspestos suits, and the like, well. . . and then all the "go ahead and flame me, I don't care anymore", and all the "this is just what I think, don't flame me please", I was coming out of a pretty disheartened space! I didn't think you were hiding :). And, outrageous statements make for outrageously interesting discussions, imo! ;) Well this is likely to be my last post for a few days. I'm going to be doing the Obligatory Family Visit(s). Holidays get really complicated with kids and multiple grandparents. All of the grandparents are vying for equal time, and don't seem to realize that we'd like a little family time ourselves, too! So, to all of you - May your tables be filled with the Earth's bounty. May your chairs be filled with loved ones, friends and boon companions. May your cups overflow with joy in the day And may you remember to truly be thankful for all your blessings. Even the little ones you might not normally *notice*. Like vying grandparents, TUMS, and shrieking children wired on pumpkin pie. . . ***HAPPY THANKSGIVING*** Blessings, Rainwood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:38:58 EST From: tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Starting Over Message-ID: <19961127.153529.4591.0.Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com> Heyla! I'm, obviously, Tygriss, or Sara Youngblood in RL, and I guess I'm still kind of a newbie. Joined the beginning of November but feel like I've been here forever. I didn't have very much of a problem understanding the in-jokes (I knew that's what they were) but didn't get the sheep until someone else finally had the courage to ask. And someone automatically sent me a abbrev. list, so no problems there, either. My first Misty book was AotQ and I've been off and running ever since. Fave authors include: McCaffery, Anthony, MZB, S. Tepper, fantasy anthologies, A. Norton. I like A. Rice, S. King (but detest "IT"; private e-mail for the reason why, if curious) and the Hot Blood erotic horror series. I've always been attracted to both women and men but haven't slept with either (*gasp* a 26 yr. old virgin!!!) so that's still pretty much up in the air. Am attending Arkansas State University-Jonesboro, majoring in veterinary medicine, specializing in domestic & exotic cats. I truly love it both here and in the Lilac Fairy's bower. I don't feel so alone anymore (I have trouble making friends; mostly because I'm Pagan) and regard both lists as extended families. I am very sorry to see some people leave and hope they return soon. Love and hugs to everyone! Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com Priestess of Large Hunter Cats Lady of the Pink Wand www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3418 P.S. Actually, I like all the fluff. Sometimes discussing the books can be a bit dry and the fluff is just another piece of life thrown in to make it taste better. Can you tell I'm hungry at the moment? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:37:20 -0800 From: Tiffanie Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Windrider Message-ID: <329BB770.2C48-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu> Renee Mic Markowicz wrote: > all thought of that. :) Here's another one - Prince Windrider as a > Kaled'a'in? Anyone? :) I mean, since when did > anyone from Valdemar have a name like 'Windrider'? Well, this may sound dumb since I haven't read ALL ML but when we first heard the song (actually, read the poem) we thought they were talking about a griffon (gryphon), that was why I was supprised about the pegasus on the coat of arms. Dax the Eteternal, Lady of the Unicorns and Pegasai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 17:50:36 -0500 From: Korendil To: Subject: Brvaes Pouts When the Guard Ignores Him Message-ID: <9611272256.AA28153-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> Rainwood said: >Iirc, they came to the conclusion in AotQ that the Hulda who made it to >Haven was *not* the Hulda from Rethwellan. There were no records of her >passing over the border. No one knew who sponsored her into the country >until much later, when they all found out what a baddie Orthallen was. >So I doubt that *our * Hulda was anywhere near wossname-Elspeth's >father, during his childhood. I don't have the concordance, but my take >on it is that Orthallen probably *arranged* for the real Hulda to >dissapear somewhere between the Rethwellan Court and Valdemar's border, >after she'd been sent for and begun her journey. Well, that's what I had always thought...but the COncordance says: "Karathanelan scheme to get his was despite the law, planning to usurp Selenay's throne. As part of his plan, he sent for his old nurse, Hulda, to help raise Prince Elspeth." So I'm not quite sure. It seems like either A: He was under Hulda's care, and, like Ancar, followed what she said; or B: He wanted HUlda to be there since Sel'd be dead and unable to raise El. I think it's the first, if only because I'm the type who wants there to be just the 2 gods, a crossover between all the urban fantasies, and one big magical theory for the whole slew of books;> Can't you see Hulda first currupting Karan, than Elspeth, and then Ancar all to further the wants of herself and the Empire? AN advance agent sent to destroy the royal families on all the borders--hell, maybe she's responsible for the evil king in Oathbreakers and the mean female Son of the Sun! Ok..so it's a stretch;> >Like vying >grandparents, TUMS, and shrieking children wired on pumpkin pie. . . As one currently escaping grandparents through the wonders of closed doors and email and their senility, well...ok. I'll be thankful. But only if they're giving me lots of money for Chanukah and stop scaring my cat;P >I truly love it both here and in the Lilac Fairy's bower. I don't feel >so alone anymore (I have trouble making friends; mostly because I'm >Pagan) and regard both lists as extended families. :( That can't be fun. Nor is it fair. Religion is too important in everyone's lives--or maybe the careless disregard of all others. Let's go kidnap World Leaders, steal tMIW's brainwashing kit, and make them all believe "There is no one True Way"!;> >P.S. Actually, I like all the fluff. Sometimes discussing the books can >be a bit dry and the fluff is just another piece of life thrown in to >make it taste better. :) nice to know that. I feel the same way--and I *like* it when we get fluff chunks instead of just a bit of fluff powder sprinkled on. But, just like garlic, it shouldn't take o'er the list (hungry? moi?;P)...imo, we just get more fluff when there's less to do. Take a look--magewar started when all to discuss was SG (no, I don't agree with Rainwood on that;>), same with sheep...gods started when we were waiting for SB...now, though, we're in the middle--we've gotten all we can with SB until more people can get it, and it's even worse with Firebird, since even less people have read it (and everyone certainly should. as I said aawhiles ago, it'll reaffirm your belief in Misty's talent. mostly. And don't pay attention to the jacket, either.;>). >Well, this may sound dumb since I haven't read ALL ML but when we first >heard the song (actually, read the poem) we thought they were talking >about a griffon (gryphon), that was why I was supprised about the >pegasus >on the coat of arms. Well, actually, Windrider Uncahined isn't related to the heraldic coat. It is, iirc, recognized by the Empire among some other facts which I forget. iirc, it's from pre-founding...ooo..I found a great word to use for Baron Valdemar, something about country founder..but I forget it. sigh. Anyway, the coat's from before, we think. Windrider was an heir, yes, but not the first one..prolly one of the first, though. Anyone else think the "Dark Lord of Shadows" was a Ma'ar? -+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile. |B E|______________________________________________________________|E D|"Assimilate *this*!" --Worf, Star Trek: First Contact|D .|"Resistance is Futile." --Data, Star Trek: First Contact|. N|"I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!--EMH, Star Trek: First Contact|N E|"The line must be drawn HERE!"--Picard, ST: First Contact |E T|______________________________________________________________|T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:11:45 -0500 From: Chris & Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ware/Selenay/Companions of Chosen MO's/? on overdone Message-ID: <199611272311.SAA28027-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com> > > >**Re: Companion of Herald Chosen to be MO** > >>What happens to a Herald's Companion when he is already a Herald >and is Chosen MO?? > > Danya answered this, but in case you want to check it out >yourself, I think it got mentioned in Arrows of the Queen. Drat, I really >need to get a modem, so I can refer to the books when necessary. I'll try >and hunt for the page, but I'm pretty sure it's in one of the Arrows >books. (I'm a lot of help, aren't I? *self-deprecating smile*) Okay the problem I have is I still don't know really what happens here. It never mentions it as far as I can tell. I know it says something about if the herald dies then the companion will choose a new one. And if the companion dies then the last herald to hold the position if still alive will be chosen by the new MO companion. But still what happens to the ordinary heralds companion if he is chosen MO do they choose a new herald or do they die? >**Re: Why was Selenay allowed to marry what'shisface?** > > I am merely speculating here, what if Selenay's marriage to >what's-his-name was sort of preordained? > > Maybe. Maybe her Companion _did_ warn her, but she was so >infatuated she ignored the advice? > >Hey, gwena saw right through whathisface that was seducing Elspeth >in AFall. They don't buy into charm. Absolutely correct-o > > Elspeth also ignored Gwena's advice, right? > >(fluff) As for who could play Selenay, yeah E. thompson would be good, but >not M. Sirtis. I'd go for G. McFadden, she looks more regal. Sirtis and McFadden both wouldn't work unless they died there hair to a golden colour. But I think Sirtis would be better for Talia then anyone since she has played the type of role before. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:37:37 -0500 From: Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. Message-ID: <961127183737_1319317023-+AT+-emout03.mail.aol.com> Hello, folks. *sigh* Due to unforseen circumstances my computer refuses to use a normal internet Netscape dialup, SO I have been forced to take an AOL address for the time being. I have simmered down, and am sheepishly coming back onlist (although I do feel that I had the right to be upset). Please note my new address. Sincerely, Jake (shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com) (formerly RYNATH-+AT+-WEBSPAN.NET) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:45:30 -0300 From: Eleonora To: Merecedes Lackey Mailing List Message-ID: <329CD29A.5313-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy> Kory wrote: > > Ele said: > >But in the case of someone > >like Van, who after years of sharing his life with 'fandes might have > >been chosen by Taver.....doesn't make much sense and seems to run > >counter what we have been led to believe... > > Well, I think it might be that whole preordained thing again--if > someone's gonna be chosen,it won't be a strong bond the first time > 'round.... That would imply that in cases other than Jisa's, the Companions automatically knew beforehand who would be Chosen afterwards. And what would happen if that person died or was unavailable or physically unfit at teh time the current MO died?? Would they have a list of possibilities among both Heralds and young kids? It would seem too preordained for a supposedly free-will world such as Velgarth. We would be getting Van's bond to be not only preordained but fated to a certain outcome, it being one of those pivotal events that Cen was talking about. Alberich's bond is probably of the same sort since his Companion has a hard time importing him from Karse of all places. Kero's being Chosen was always practically fated according to what Ratha almost tells Eldan. Hmmm, the MO's identity also being preordained would be a bit too much for my taste, and yet it is the only way I might explain teh MOC substituting a Herald's Companion. I wrote about Wintershard: > >I have forgiven thou!!! > and Kory, attentive as ever corrected me: > forgiven *thee*;P True enough! Cen, please accept a tray of chocolate eclairs from thy Priestess. I have transgressed and sinned by misusing the approved speech patterns of thy Temple (I have probably sinned once more by using pseudolinguistic jargon) Kory, have a tray of chocolate eclairs for yourself. You deserve it. I would offer you sheep, but after what happened the last time....I simply daren't ;) By the way Cen, I do not remember whether I asked you before or not. I certainly meant to. Maybe it is among the subjects that have been done to death (TM) but since the season is open.... It is about Heyla. Is it used anywhere else or is it exclusively a Mistyish Velgarth term?? Just curious. Love everybody, Ele Priestess of Karma LotPW Dame ot OAM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:16:17 -0500 From: Phoenix To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. Message-ID: <329CD9D1.846-+AT+-icom.ca> Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > Hello, folks. > > *sigh* Due to unforseen circumstances my computer refuses to use a >normal internet Netscape dialup, SO I have been forced to take an AOL >address for the time being. > > I have simmered down, and am sheepishly coming back onlist (although I >do feel that I had the right to be upset). Please note my new address. > > Sincerely, > > Jake (shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com) > > (formerly RYNATH-+AT+-WEBSPAN.NET) I'm glad to see that you have returned. Welcome back. Zhai'helleva ke'chara Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Nov 1996 Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I have simmered down, and am sheepishly coming back onlist Okay everybody, you know what time it is ***HEDGE***HUG***HEDGE***HUG***HEDGE***HUG***HEDGE***HUG*** ***POUNCE**POUNCE***HUG***POUNCE*** Now shall we tie him up so he can never leave again? :) *--------------------Lady Becky of the Hills--------------------* |Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals | |Handmaiden of Procrastination | |Lady in Green | |Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.) | |Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html| |beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com | *---------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: starting all over Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Jaguar wrote: > > Green, back in the dawn of time (okay, so it was only a few months ago, > > when the magewar, or mage duel, first started, I was feeling dramatic) > > Hey Becky.. 'fraid not. It was.... well, Tammy and I were the > first members of both our groups and that was in > January! So it was more than a few months ago... gods. The 'Wars have been > going on for almost a year now... Oh well :) > You're kidding? HAs it really been that long? I was here when it first started, with the duel between you and Shadow Lover, but it really does seem like just a few months ago. I have the worst track of time, I don't even own a watch, and rarely actually know what day it is. It really was a year? That doesn't seem possible, I vote that we rename the magewar the never ending story :) seems appropriate, I can't see an end in the near furture, that would spoil all our fun :) *--------------------Lady Becky of the Hills--------------------* |Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals | |Handmaiden of Procrastination | |Lady in Green | |Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.) | |Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html| |beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com | *---------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:23:26 -0800 From: Jeff Pugh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Starting. Just...Starting. Message-ID: <329D05AE.696E-+AT+-inter-linc.com> Hey everbody! Noticing the current trend of re-introducing ourselves to everone, I am reminded of the fact that I never did really introduce myself properly. I just sort of...started. Therefore, I'm going to introduce myself to you all now. I'm sorry if you get bored. *L* Hi, I'm Jeff Pugh, or, as I'm called, any version of AmpliFireCat~AmpCat, ampli, FireCat...you get the picture. I'm 15 and live in Harrisburg Arkansas,Land Of Boredom, Rice, And Really Really Suck Music. I love alt. music, my favorite bands being The Smashing Pumpkins, Bush, Weezer, STP, and Live. My fav authors are ML, McCaffrey(even though I haven't read much), S. King, and Michael Moorcock. I started w/ MPrice and haven't stoped yet. Have no intentions to. I'm pleased as punch with the state of the list, I just thought I should say. I've only been on about 1 1/2 months, which I guess means I'm a sort of half-newbie(if I'm being pretentous(sp???), would somebody please slap me down? Thanks!)and I have thoroughly enjoyed ever minute of it. Okay, so that's me. In case I just made a fool of myself, I'd like to offer all of youse peoples some chocolate-covered pigeons. Enjoy! Peace out, -- ______________________________________________________________ | | | |~AmpCat~ | "FIRE IT UP!! FIRE IT UP!!" | | | | |-Acolyte Of Music And Song | -from _The Crow_ | |pgpugh-+AT+-inter-linc.com | | |______________________________|______________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:40:48 -0500 From: Rozanna McNeer To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: fluff on the list Message-ID: <199611271941_MC1-C6E-8BDA-+AT+-compuserve.com> someone said >>> I think people involved in heavy >>>fluff should be considerate and keep it down. Not everybody enjoys fluff >>>messages, some of us are also tired of and irritated about high-fluff >>>content, and if it's inflating the number of messages (as it has in the >>>past), kory said >> Another misconception. Those of us who do "heavy" fluff are *very* >>considerate. If you've been here awhile, and you say you have, then >>recall the magewar. When asked to leave, we did. Deification, the only >>major fluff onlist still, isn't exactly high-load. Not like the magewar, >>with multiple long messages a day, all by two (at the time) people. and someone replied >True. But then again, why should a member of a list for discussion of the >works of Mercedes Lackey Discussion List have to put up with deifications or >mage wars at all? Especially when we're in a cycle where some people seem to >want to restrict the *on-topic* discussion items. fluff happens. that wasn't meant to be a smart-a$$ed comment - fluff really happens. it just evolves, right along side the inside jokes. Like the mage-war - it began when one person said "I really like Piers Anthony" and another replied "oh no! anything but Pier Xanthony" which turned into friendly playful pot shots at each other, which produced champions for each side, which turned into MAJOR fluff, which is STILL going on elsewhere (shamless plug for the mage-wars: go to our homepage at www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen and follow the mage-war links) I mean, when you're together with a bunch of your friends, and conversation runs out of steam, don't you begin to act silly? that's the fluff here. conversations ran out of steam, or misty just isn't writing fast enough, and fluff levels rise. actaully, Mel has co-related fluff levels with exam-times in schools but I agree, I have felt uncomfortable with the way we've been acting in general. back when i had a real server and was subbed, I tried to private email all the newbies with the low-down on what the abbrev's meant, why people had silly sigs, etc, but I can't do that any more using this server (and hopefully we will be chaning soon. YAY!!!) it jsut seems like, in general, we aren't taking the time to make others feel welcome, or be tactful when telling a newbie they've done something against Auntie Mel's rules of Netiquette. And it really bothers me. Thanksgiving resolution : be nicer on the list. welcome newbies with private email give them the faq addies, and ask them to at least read the netiquette, which is really what makes some of us jumpy (oh no! not another chain-letter!! =)> to all of those I failed since i rejoined, i'm so sorry. I just ass-u-me'd that some other person had taken over the job when I left and someone was still doing it. email me privately if you've got any questions re the list! Firemist, unofficial welcoming committee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 19:40:18 -0500 From: Korendil To: "Misty List" Subject: Brvaes Wonders If He Can Escape By Humming "Windrider" Message-ID: <9611280046.AA01218-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net> First o' all, and prolly most important: WELCOME BACK JAKE!!!!!<-- !!!!!<--- I really am sorry, you know... Ele, I just built up a theory in around 2 minutes: The Companions take note of possible Heralds, right? Well, what if they always had a running list of "If Something Happens to MO, These People Would Be Good," and if there was a chance the MO might not be around much longer, they give the top choice a weak bond. If it's really unexpected, or the weak-bond person's dead, they look at the list for someone unChosen? We know there're preordained bonds, because of Kero and, iirc, a kid Talia and Kris met on-Circuit; Sel's marriages might be preordained--she is a Queen, ye' know...ach..I lsot my train of thought. Hmm..Companions might be involving themselves quite a bit deeper than they say... Ele said: >By the way Cen, I do not remember whether I asked you before or not. I >certainly meant to. Maybe it is among the subjects that have been done >to death (TM) but since the season is open.... It is about Heyla. Is it >used anywhere else or is it exclusively a Mistyish Velgarth term?? Just >curious. Heyla. A topic all in itself, and one that everyone always ignores me about whenever I pester 'em;> AFAIK, it's Velgarth. Textevd(of a sort): Jake put it's usage IRL in a top ten ways to know you read too much misty, iirc. And I've never heard it (irl. I use it on IRC, as do the few MIsty readers I know of. And occaisonally I use it with a friend of two irl). Now, are my te'sorthene and I the only ones who always think of it as a Hawkbrother term? Which is strange: the first usage is not only in MPawn, but by an Ashkevron! One of the brood..radeval or mikael, I think. Someone textevd me...Mpawn is in the center of a beautiful stack of books sitting on my floor, and since I only get a new walkman if my room's straight(Can rooms *be* shaych?;P)....I dunna wanna knock it o'er. Which led me to that big theory o' mine about Ashkevrons being descended from Tayledras. Becky asked, mouth gaping: > You're kidding? HAs it really been that long? >It really was a year? Yeppers;> *My* problem is that I can't believe I've only been here a bit under 2 years. Seems like longer. Then again, it doesn't seem like over...4 months since I got buried under Tomes. -+AT+-LIDNEROK___________/ KORENDIL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET \_____________KORENDIL-+AT+- I|Korendil, Knight of Elfhame Sun-Descending, Squire of the High|I C|Court, Magus Minor, One In Black, Firstborn Child of Danaan, |C U|God of Night and All Things Nocturnal, Champion of the Ladies |U B|of the Pink Wand, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile. |B E|______________________________________________________________|E D|"Assimilate *this*!" --Worf, Star Trek: First Contact|D .|"Resistance is Futile." --Data, Star Trek: First Contact|. N|"I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!--EMH, Star Trek: First Contact|N E|"The line must be drawn HERE!"--Picard, ST: First Contact |E T|______________________________________________________________|T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:59:59 -0300 From: Eleonora To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: *peeking around corner* I'm back.. Message-ID: <329CE40F.79B4-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy> Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > I have simmered down, and am sheepishly coming back onlist (although I do > feel that I had the right to be upset). Yupiiiii! He's back, Kory has left his self-imposed exile and this is our second hug/pounce of the day (well, third if we count pouncing on Mat last night in the Bower :) Have not talked much with you, Jake, but I am really glad you're back. Since everybody missed you, you are probably a great guy, so I look forward to sharing the listscape with you. Love, Ele ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:30:56 -0500 From: Rozanna McNeer To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: bards & their Gifts Message-ID: <199611272031_MC1-C6E-2E3F-+AT+-compuserve.com> Nightshade asked: > why is it we don't see that much of Bards? Yes, we >had Stef, but he wasn't a main character. Personally, I'd like to see a book >concentrating on the Bards, you know a book where they play a very important >role. I'd also like to know more about Bardic magic, we know it can be used >to manipulate emotions, but what else can it do? I was going to say that Misty explored Bardic talent in the Alanda series, as well as explaining what Velgarthan bards can do in LHM, plus Bardic talent in the Bedlam Bardz series. then I thought to myself 'self, what if Velgarthan Bards develop the same talents (the more ~magely~ talents) that the Bards in the other series have?' anyone? Firemist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:38:54 -0500 From: Rozanna McNeer To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: lifebondeds - lotsa questions Message-ID: <199611272039_MC1-C83-E487-+AT+-compuserve.com> listen to the groans really, I think this aspect may not have been touched on yet. I'd like to hope so at any rate. . . in Winds-something Stef is talking to Skif about the nature of life-bonds, and what personality types usually form life-bonds. Someone with an unusually strong Gift lifebonds to someone who will provide an external stable point to rely on, right? who decides which person is the stable point for the gifted one? the gifted one's subconscious? as in, are gifted ones pre-programmed with a set of criteria that needs to be matched, and when it is --> instant life-bond? if so, how does the sub-conscious do that instantaneously? life-bonds are usually a love at first sight kinda thing. if not, then who does the determining? Vkandis? star-eyed? don't they have better things to do? fate? what the hell is fate, anyway, in misty's books? or does the gifted's lifebonded to be do the matching? hopefully this will open up some new discussion Firemist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:25:55 -0800 (PST) From: Becky Anne Christensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebondeds - lotsa questions Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote: > listen to the groans really, I think this aspect may not have been touched > on yet. I'd like to hope so at any rate. . . Well, it has, but not for a few months I think. :) > > who decides which person is the stable point for the gifted one? the > gifted one's subconscious? as in, are gifted ones pre-programmed with a > set of criteria that needs to be matched, and when it is --> instant life-bond? As I recall, someone (for some reason I think it was Mat, but I'm not sure) has a really good explanation, something about everybody having one half of a puzzle, and if they find someone that has the match, *poof* you have lifebond, it's more of a random thing. I think that was it at least... *--------------------Lady Becky of the Hills--------------------* |Goddess of Tofu and Dry Breakfast Cereals | |Handmaiden of Procrastination | |Lady in Green | |Founder of the AftPoSWT (confused? Just ask.) | |Mailing List Homepage http://www.psnw.com/~deb/becky/misty.html| |beckyanne-+AT+-iforge.com | *---------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:05:12 -0500 From: Soljan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Birthday/starting over Message-ID: <961127210511_1750948374-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com> Happy Birthday Khenta! I present you one of my infamous never-gets-wet-handkerchiefs. It will change to whatever color you desire at the moment. =) Okay, I agree that we should start over! I am Lady Silvermoon, Melissa Pytlak in RL. Silvermoon is my Tayledras character, and she looks nothing like my mundane self. Drat. Mundane stuff- I am 15, and a soph in high school. I love to read, write (whenever there is time), sing, play piano, play tennis, and grow plants. I hope to become a botanist. (Hey Cennydd, isn't your mother the Goddess of all green plants or something?) I've been on the list since February. I love many types of music. My first Misty was Arrows. List/persona stuff. I am the Goddess of Sensitivity, and I am very sensitive to just about everything. Including flames, and even not-so-flamish critism. This is both a blessing and a curse. I am currently on the Mage War as Silvermoon, and her friend, Firecat. Silvermoon is a Tayledras, master mage, about 28. Firecat is an adept, about 18. Both are from k'Treva. I am also a Dame of the Order of Amber and Marigold, and a Lady in Green. I am also the leader of the DDMF. This hasn't been talked about much. Stands for Depressed Dateless Misty Fans. If you are single and sad about it, write me privately! Oh, and if you have any questions about why Jake left, write me. Several people have already, and I don't mind replying to more! I think that's about it! I won't be around tomorrow...well, I'll be home. But we're having 12 guests, plus my 6 family members over for Thanksgiving, so I won't be at my computer all day. Happy Thanksgiving to all! Lady Silvermoon LIG, Leader of the DDMF, Dame of the OAM, Goddess of Sensitivity "we're boss at denial, but best at forget." Bush, _Little Things_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 21:00:57 EST From: JWSCHM00-+AT+-UKCC.UKY.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Starting Over[mostly fluff] Message-ID: <961127.211504.EST.JWSCHM00-+AT+-ukcc.uky.edu> Hi, this is Foxfire, I'd just seen the thing about the Naming of Names and I was thinking about it some. I agree that there does seem to be an increase in godhoods, clergy, etc... Also something I've seen, when I was Named the God of Obstinate Teenagers, there was a post about me not getting something (couldn't remember the word but my mom said that it was something like a set of rules). /:-/ My mom says this makes no sense but I think it does. *sulk* In response to another thread I've seen, yes, the cover art on TLHM books doesn't _quite_ match my ideas of the characters portrayed therin. On the cover of MPromise, Tashir looks a lot more feminine (sp?) than I ever thought of him. I've seen this on the other two books as well. I mean, characters features being taken to an extreme on the covers. Has anyone else seen this, or is it just me? Just out of curiosity, what can I do and what can't I do now that I am a god? I've wondered about this for a little bit and would like to be enlightened to the fact. Thanks. Well, my mom wants me to get off, so I'd better go. (The only thing more scarier than a god in a wrathful mood, THEIR MOTHER IN A BAD MOOD!!) 'Bye. Foxfire, current God of Obstinate Teenagers "DOHHHHH!"-Homer J. Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:49:48 -0500 From: Rose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Lifebondeds Message-ID: <329CFDCC.76FC-+AT+-ctol.net> Lady Becky wrote: >As I recall, someone (for some reason I think it was Mat, but I'm >not sure) has a really good explanation, something about everybody >having one half of a puzzle, and if they find someone that has the >match, *poof* you have lifebond, it's more of a random thing. I think >that was it at least... I remember this from just after I came on. We applied it to Companion bonds too. From what I 've been able to gather, Lifebonds occur when one person has a soul deep need for another person who has a soul deep ability to fulfill that need. I'd say, that the ideal version is when each person is fullfilling needs of the other, but most likely the bonds tend to one extreem or the other. At least in Misty's writings. P.S. This is a favorite topic of mine, and I love to see it occur again and again. People have such different ideas, that new things always seem to come up on any topic. Kawryathen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:24:59 -0500 From: mishi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: starting all over Message-ID: <329D060B.CE3-+AT+-prolog.net> Well, here's meee!! HI my name is Mishi. I joined this list well sometime after Lady Becky did cuz I found out about it one her homepage. Let's see well I kinda hyper and often in semi-lurker mode. Oh yeah I like to POUNCE people as well. I enjoy lots of Fantasy authors especially Misty and RA Salvatore. I've enjoyed the list since I joined it. I kinda just jumped in with no clue whatsoever about what ws really going on. Jake and a bunch of others were very helpful in explaining things to me after I asked for some help that is. Well I guess I will do my duty and run around pouncing on everyone to welcome then to the list! POUNCE, POUNCE, POUNCE, etc, etc. Love, luck and lollipops all! Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness, Lady of the Pink Wand ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 989 *********************************