MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1002

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) SKitty and Companion names
	by GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu
  2) Re: I'm back/Farsight/Foresight
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
  3) Foresight/thanks/Dessa
	by Wintershard <peallen-+AT+-naz.edu>
  4) Re: webpage/Me/Obmisty
	by DawnRain <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
  5) Re: Fiber Arts in Velgarth/Goddess of the Web
	by Disney <JES001-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
  6) grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
	by Melanie Harris <mmharris-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au>
  7) Tapestry/Nessa/Caring heart
	by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
  8) Re: webpage/Me/Obmisty
	by SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com
  9) Brvaes Forced To Kneel In Front of Queen Reattrased
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
 10) Re: I'm back/Farsight/Foresight
	by Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
 11) Re: Brvaes...  what was that Queen's name again?
	by woodlark<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
 12) Braid: the other DT<fluff>/Trekkie and Trekker/S&SIII/Singing
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 13) Reply to: Re: I'm back/Farsight/Foresight
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 14) pine/ST:FC/Swordspoint/FarSight
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
 15) Re: Ele's post/ Christmas/ M&MO/ Trek/ SS 3/ KRee and Ddrums and HBs/ Pets
	by "Romylee A. Ejercito" <rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu>
 16) Singlish
	by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:37:52 -0600 (CST)
From: GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu
To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK
Subject: SKitty and Companion names
Message-ID: <961204173752.22c577a5-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu>

Deniz asked originally:
>> i read the "A Tale of Two SKittys" today when i
>>was there -- real cute.  why is it SKitty, as opposed to Skitty, or
>>skitty?  is there a reason for this?
>
> AFAIK, it was an abbrev. of sorts for Dirk's kitty -> SKitty (Dirk? huh?)
> 
>Wow - that's Dirk's, Tom's and Sam's we've been offered so far. Is this
>a multiple-owner cat (sorry, kitty)? I haven't read it so can't add to this
>list of names, :>


Textevd follows from Catfantastic, SKitty:
"Officially she was 'Lady Sundancer of Greenfields'; Greenfields
being bioTech Station NA-73....Dick hadn't had any choice. 'Lady
Sundancer' had taken one loook at him and launched herself like
a little black rocket form the arms of hte tech straight for him.
...When they couldn't pry her off, not without injuring her, the 
'chioce' became moot....For the first few days she was 'Dick
White's Kitty'...After a time that was shortened first to 'Dick's
Kitty' and then to 'SKitty', which name finally stuck."

There we go!

And as another obMisty, I think I've figured out why Companions
don't usually let their chosen name them.  I raise Poms and my
parents raised poodles, Afgans and Shelties at various times
growing up, and having read lots of Petigrees with really
bizzare and LONG names and having named a few myself (Gray's
Daxion Starfighter, Gray's Tawni Steppewolf, Gray's Terribwy
Wiscious T'wok), can you imagine what would start happening
over time to the poor pedigreed Companions?  "Skiff's Theft in
the Night", "Elspeth's Starborn MagicCouncilor", "Vanyel's
Heart-Mother Silver Savior", "Lorres' Horsey".  Ooh, I shudder!

Dax the Eternal, Lady of the Unicorns and Pegasai
Goddess of Elves, Evangelist of Low Humor
"I'll believe in you if you'll believe in me", the Unicorn, "Alice
in Wonderland"

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:58:38 -0500
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back/Farsight/Foresight
Message-ID: <199612042358.SAA09699-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

At 10:52 PM 12/4/96 GMT, you wrote:
>I have missed you all so much. (Sorry if I get a little emotional...I am
>listening to the Evita soundtrack which has that effect on me) In case you
>forgot, I am the Illegitimate God of Farfetched Theories and Misconstued
>Ideas.  Wait!  I don't remember whether or not I was approved by the Goddess
>of Nomenclature.  If I wasn't I do apologize for my transgression, but I am
>pretty sure I was...maybe another one of my delusions.  I could not resist
>the pull of this splendid little list.
>
>I would like for someone to clarigy Farsight for me.  I know it is when you
>can see far away, hence the name.  That particular Gift does not get much
>spotlight.  I know that it was used by Ashke after Savil (also another
>contraversy...right spelling?) was killed.   I am sorry if this was already
>discussed and I was either not paying attention or I was not there.  
Farsight is always being discussed as one of the more common gifts for
heralds to find.  Kris had Farsight and Talia has a little bit of the gift
though she can't really see much unles there is a strong emotional residue
there.

>
>Foresight,  did anyone have it besides Ashke (who had just about anything but
>that is another controversy)  His was not extrodanairy strong.  The only
>thing I remember him using it for was his death (which is also another
>issue).
>

There is Selenay who has it and Vanyel as well as The courier who carried
the message of the war to Griffin, other then that there aren't many people
who have it.

Aistes


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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:41:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Wintershard <peallen-+AT+-naz.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Foresight/thanks/Dessa
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.95.961204160746.1767A-100000-+AT+-orion.naz.edu>

Hades wrote:
>>Foresight,  did anyone have it besides Ashke (who had just about 
anything but that is another controversy)  His was not extrodanairy
strong.  The only thing I remember him using it for was his death (which
is also another issue).<<

Well, there's Alberich, who used it to save Selenay's life. And I would
say that the Companions have a collective Foresight, even if it's very
vague.
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Thanks to all for answering my 'hello' question, and consequently setting
me in my place about what the word 'languages' means ;) I had a few
questions about some of them, though.

MorningStar wrote:
>>my friends always use Guten Tag or just Tag on me...<<

and Emily wrote:
>>French= bonjour, bonsoir, bonnuit et salut tout le monde!<<

>From what spanish I know, don't these mean 'good day,' or do they use
them as both that and 'hello'?

then Deniz wrote:
>>Hebrew = Shalom<<

Would 'hello' then be a form of Shalom?
----------------------------------------
Since that b-day notice wasn't for 'Reesa, I'll take it as 'Dessa (and if
it's not you, just take the gift and run ;).

To thee I give a chocolate and vanilla striped sheep for each of thy
years. The best part is, if thou tippest them over, chocolate milk will
pourest from their mouths.

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Wintershard                          |Demon of Subtlety, Discreetness, and
wintershard-+AT+-geocities.com            |   Crappy Weather
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6620 |'If it wasn't for the last minute,
'He who laughs last thinks slowest'  |   nothing would get done.'
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 17:54:26 -0700
From: DawnRain <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: webpage/Me/Obmisty
Message-ID: <32A61D42.40D4-+AT+-geocities.com>

Deniz wrote:
> Okay, This is just a brief blurb saying, "I've uploaded two pages to my site,
> and am now working on the rest!  What I want to know is, can I link to any of
> your pages, please?  If so, please send me your URL, and if you have a spiffy
> title besides "so-and-so's page" or some short description, send that along,
> too.  One brief warning -- I'm not allowed to link to any sites displaying
> pornographic material, or that which encourages breaking the law or racism."
> 
> Come see what I've got right now.  If it's ever completely finished, I'll let
> you all know.

You can link to my page--url at bottom, but since you're in geocities
it'd be easy to put it in as <a href="Athens/9763">DawnRain's Fourth(or
so) Home</a> and leave it at that....
The title's in there, and it'll eventually have writing(mine and my
friends), MorningStar Lodge, and links to several pages.  I'll check
yours out later tonight!<Grin>
Star


-- 
Kris Bailey--Aka MorningStar, NightFire, DawnRain, and names too
darn numerous to include in this list.  E-mail-- morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com
dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com bv165-+AT+-freenet.uchsc.edu kris.bailey-+AT+-sdoct.com
dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9763

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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 19:34:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Disney <JES001-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Fiber Arts in Velgarth/Goddess of the Web
Message-ID: <01ICMGFJ5YTY009A2L-+AT+-ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>


>Kessira mused,
>> Do we see much in the way of the "fiber arts" in Velgarth?  There's
>> the mending scenes in Arrows, (she means weaving, knitting, spinning ..)

Then Treesa added,
>>Talia was carding wool in AotQ.  Kessira, don't forget the Shin'a'in weavers.
And I feel pretty sure that there were professional weavers in Haven, in
both an artistic and a functional capacity.  And they'd be members of the
Weaver's Guild.  Lady Wyrist was the head, I believe.

Shin'a'in also know about quilting-remember the clothes?

___
speaking of the Shin'a'in, remember the tapestries (i assumed that's what 
they were) that were mentioned in the _Winds_ tril.  Trevalen's shaman showed
him the tapestries of their history, right?

I have a question.  In AotQ, Elspeth (i think) mentined in one of the books
about how nothing bad happened when Talia wasn't around (I can't find the spot--textevd please?) except for 'poor Nessa' that the other healer that Talia trained took care of.  Help?  When did something happen to Nessa? Or was a complete
dolt and miss it?  I think it was either in the beginning of Arrows Fall in 
reference to while Talia was on circuit with Kris, but it might have been
at the end.  

Jen

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 13:09:22 +1000
From: Melanie Harris <mmharris-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Message-ID: <32A63CE2.1153-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au>

*sigh*

  Could anyone who sent me private mail recently, that I haven't responded to, please 
re-send it? You see, my workstation software has been "updated" and "upgraded" <heavy 
sarcasm here>; as far as I can tell, the upgrade hasn't given me any whacko new 
capabilities, it's just made things harder to find.
  It also completely wiped my mail files.
  I've lost my work-related Web bookmarks, my "answer these soon" file, my saved 
Magewar posts, and my entire address book. So if you've been talking to me online, 
please send me something with your address in it!

Mel the Grumpy Redcap

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:25:06 -0600
From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Tapestry/Nessa/Caring heart
Message-ID: <v01510100aecb9840463a-+AT+-[207.43.170.53]>


On 12/4, Jen (Disney) wrote:

>speaking of the Shin'a'in, remember the tapestries (i assumed that's what
>they were) that were mentioned in the _Winds_ tril.  Trevalen's shaman showed
>him the tapestries of their history, right?
>
>I have a question.  In AotQ, Elspeth (i think) mentined in one of the books
>about how nothing bad happened when Talia wasn't around (I can't find the
>spot--textevd please?) except for 'poor Nessa' that the other healer that
>Talia trained took care of.  Help?  When did something happen to Nessa?

Yes, I thought of the tapestries, and you are right about them.  Tre'valen
saw thim in Winds of Fate.  The tapestry in question actually predated the
Shin'a'in however; those particular tapestries (the *very* old ones
Tre'valen sees) were made by the shaman Ravenwing, right after the
Sundering.  I do think that the tradition of keeping history in that manner
was maintained, though.

Nessa's problem in _Arrows Fall_ was Kris' death; she had quite a crush on
him, and she chased him through the first two books.  And she actually did
achieve an intimate connection with him finally, when he and Talia returned
from circuit. Kris and Talia figured out together that once she had had her
way with him, she'd leave him alone.....Kris only wanted his books and his
work as a Herald.  In light of all this, I can see that she would be
traumatized by his loss.

By the way, Jen, I'm Tresta, not Treesa. <g>  Much as I adore Vanyel, and
wish dearly to be his friend, I am a little young to be his mother.  It's
okay, though; I just figured it as a typo. <g>  :-)

Kaatje has asked about "The Caring Heart".  I have already answered her,
but I will repeat that answer here, for anyone else who may be interested.
This is, of course, my opinion.

 I have wondered the same
 thing, and I have never found a direct quote, after having read *all* the
 books half a million times <g>.  But there is a scene at the end of Magic's
 Pawn, when Van wakes up in Moondance's bed again (he is hurt very badly
 from dealing with Krebain) and he asks first of all if everyone is all
 right.  Savil is so proud of him...and he starts crying because he thinks
 the Heralds won't want him.  Savil tells him he is a Herald already; that
 "what makes a Herald is the heart; a caring heart that cares for others
 before itself."

 Maybe that has become a truism in Velgarth?


                                Go Gently,

                                        Tresta

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Tresta shena Jor'ethan                          "Love must live free."
Healer to horses                                        -Shin'a'in Teaching
Knight of Amber and Marigold

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"To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us."

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:02:57 -0500
From: SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: webpage/Me/Obmisty
Message-ID: <961204220257_1219699829-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com>

To Deniz:  Oooops! That's what I get for trying to write something
intelligent just before heading off for work.  The clock is on the wall in
front of me, just over my monitor and I swear it was doing double-time!!
 What I meant to say was an anthology of other people's writing about
Valdemar is not as good as a Misty book about Valdemar.  I also left out the
other part which is that the book is due out in late December.  Sorry.
      Meg 


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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 96 23:17:02 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: "Misty List" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Brvaes Forced To Kneel In Front of Queen Reattrased
Message-ID: <9612050422.AA23744-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

Mel the Redcap said:
>Hey, some of them have the most dignified personalities I've ever seen in an 
>animal... but you have to admit that lapdogs treated the way Treesa would 
>treat one (ie spoilt and indulged from birth: Foo-Foo Can Do No Wrong) 
>almost 
>always end up as yappy, obnoxious little mops. With no dignity. <g>

<g> I can see that...btw, did anyone else think about Treesa when they 
saw Elizabeth's mother in A&E/BBC's recent remake of Pride and Prejudice? 
All the vapors an' all...oh, yes, and I wanna nominate the actress who 
played Liz in that, Jennifer Lehte or something, for Elspeth.

Wintershard asked:
>Oh, I'm gonna try at some point to parody a song about Need. What stories
>is she in?

Um...the S&S shortstories, V&H, BTS, Winds, SB....

Woodlark said:
>and i'm gonna shut up about this thread until people tell us whether we 
>ought 
>to go offlist or not.

oh..go on;> I don't understand much of it, and I have next to nil talent 
at singing, nor, right now, any voice to speak of, or even any training 
whatsoever, but it's an interesting thread;>

Deniz said:
>I just got 
>Fionavar (a Canadian reissue, I think... yeah, 1992) and, when I was looking 
>at the Pratchett to find a good book to start with, I saw Soul Music, and 
>said, "hmm.  Music.  Let's see what it's like."  I opened it up, and guess 
>what?  It's autographed.

OOoo..Fionavar RULES. I can truly say it is GREAT! I'm in a good 
mood...read Fionavar for the first time last weekend, read Pterry's Mort, 
and just finished Pyramids, so now it's on to GGK's Tigana, or maybe 
another try at Swordspoint...ooo..an autographed copy..gimme;P

Reesa (the world's ending! REESA POSTED!!!!!<--;>) said:
> I'm going.  *evil laughter*  I've already volunteered my room for
>the filk circle, and the offer still holds.  If the list want's to get
>together on the Party Floor, you're all welcome to use our room.  *laugh*  I
>don't expect to SLEEP the entire time I'm there anyway...what's a few more
>guests?  *laugh*  Besides...I want to hear y'all sing!  (Promises to keep
>her own croaking to a minimum)

Is anyone allowed to go to the FIlk Circle? Party Floor? Huh? Hehhe..me 
sing...I'll either be sqeaking or high or low;> Well..there's akways the 
chance my voice will change fully by then, but I hafta doubt it..

>I'm kinda bouncy too...we have both been invited to
>Misty's room the day before the Con...Me?  Excited?  Nah!

Ooo...not FAIR!:p

>1. Who has _Firebird_, is it worth buying in hardcover?  I haven't seen it
>here yet.

I do, it definitely is, and complain to yer bookstore;P

>3. I know where Dass got her .sig quote!  *grin*  Misty did an interview
>for...*sigh*

Oh..lemme go get that url...here we go: 
http://knuth.mtsu.edu/~sachs/Bios/lackey.html

Dawnrain said:
>Yeah, but he also used his Talent influence on the courtiers, didn't
>he?  To make them see that Randi was in bad shape?  That he didn't make
>them wait on purpose?

Hmm. I remember that. Unfortunately, I *still* can't find MPrice and am 
getting scared. I don't think I've seen it since June...

Kaatje said:
>But going with the Romance Language--actually Indo-European languages-- 
>theory of similar "hello" forms, I seem to remember an exercise from a 
>linguistics course that showed striking similarities not only in Hello, 
>but in Yes (Ja, Da, Oui, Si, etc.)  Cennydd?  You must have volumes you 
>can say about this stuff!

Hmm..I remember learning in Nature of Language last year something about 
how the word for three is similar in indo-european langs, too...kenny, 
help us poor, amateur linguisticly inclined souls...;>

Heather said:
>BTW, I live in awe and envy of Jake, who has finally gotten a bead on
>that copy of Keepers of the Flame.  Okay, now that the stars are in
>alignment: who's willing to sell me their Jody Lee print of Magic's
>Price???

Oooo....and then sell me their second copy?<gryn>

>(Attention OAM and the LotPW: don't forget, Sword of Ice contains a rare
>glimpse of Vanyel during a pleasant and private moment, namely his
>relationship with Jonne, to whom he refers so affectionately at the
>beginning of MPromise as "the answer to his prayers." Mr. Shepherd
>promised me *details,* darlings.)

PROMISED you, eh? hmm.....this looks to be very interesting..and less 
than a month to go...

/me records Heather's short story list for later use..

Jake-Who-I'm-Scared-Is-Still-Ignoring-Me said:
>I is going to Dragon*Con too.. *grin* gots my room OFF the Party Floor, for
>sleeping.  But I'll probably be in 'Reesa's all weekend anyway. *pouting
>about her description* You didn't mention ME! 

Oooo..I'll get to meet Jake? YES!!!!! This summer is looking better and 
better;> 

Welcome back, Hades....and I'd answer you if someone hadn't already 
beaten me to it;>

Ooo! And Mat there too!

Welcome back, Lady Sara

Kaatje said:
>And the language of Karse is described 
>as unusually beautiful "liquid gabble".

And from the names of the cities on the map, we can take that Karse is 
definitely based on Germany...I, for one, don't really find German to be 
liquid or beautiful, but that's prolly social conditioning from being 
Jewish and all...all the holocaust memorial things paint germany and all 
associated things as bad...

Dax, I loved the last one..."Lores' Horsey." I can see it. I really can.

Wintershard asked:
>Would 'hello' then be a form of Shalom?

I dunno..I'd doubt it, though. Maybe distantly. But iirc, it sorta went 
semetic langs-->phoenician-->greek-->roman-->etc...but, now that I think 
about it, hello isn't romantic, is it? SO they're prolly not very 
related. Maybe I should have just let Kenny answer;>

Hmm...everything seems much shorter on second read--then again, this time 
I'm skipping LotPW and Magewar and skimming the singing thread...

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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 96 23:29:16 -0500
From: Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'm back/Farsight/Foresight
Message-ID: <199612050459.XAA16065-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Hades wrote:
>I have missed you all so much. <snip> I could not resist
>the pull of this splendid little list.

Welcome back!

>I would like for someone to clarigy Farsight for me.  I know it is when you
>can see far away, hence the name.  That particular Gift does not get much
>spotlight.  I know that it was used by Ashke after Savil (also another
>contraversy...right spelling?) was killed.   I am sorry if this was already
>discussed and I was either not paying attention or I was not there.  

A few people have commented on this, but I'd like to add that Elspeth had 
Farsight, too.  She had Farsight and Mindspeech, but not in any shockingly 
strong level, so was an "ordinary" herald.  Then Need and what's-his-face (the 
mage friend of Kero's) told and showed her otherwise.  Don't forget, either 
how Kris had it, and Dirk had Fetching, and they would work together -- Kris 
finding the object and getting a "fix", and Dirk fetching it.

>Foresight,  did anyone have it besides Ashke (who had just about anything but
>that is another controversy)  His was not extrodanairy strong.  The only
>thing I remember him using it for was his death (which is also another
>issue).

Do you remember that accord/legal document thingy with the Rethwellan 
government that Van was fretting like crazy over?  He reminisces about it in 
MPrice (i think), and remembers how Jisa comes in and asks if he's her father. 
 Anyway, now that you know the scene I'm talking about... he mentions that 
every Herald with an ounce of Foresight has felt uneasy in the same room with 
the document, and he had to sift through it to find the loopholes and catches. 
 Am I the only one who has wondered just what exactly happened to that 
document?  How much longer did it take him to find the problems?  What were 
they about?  That scene has nagged at me everytime I read it, I just forgot 
about it until now.

Hmm... a purely Misty related post.  I'll have to remedy that.

GRATUITOUS PLUG:  Come see the beginnings of my webpage! 		
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/9359/

love,
deniz sarikaya, High Priestess |"Perhaps today IS a good to die!"-- Worf
of Procrastination, Holy Custo-|"You told him about the statue?" -- Riker
dian of the B-Day List, and    |"I'm a doctor, not a doorstop." -- EMH
Dame of Amber and Marigold.    |"Definitely not Swedish." -- Lily
    dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA    | Star Trek: First Contact

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 00:03:06 -0500
From: woodlark<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Brvaes...  what was that Queen's name again?
Message-ID: <199612050513.AAA20540-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Korendil wrote:
>Woodlark said:
>>and i'm gonna shut up about this thread until people tell us whether we 
>>ought 
>>to go offlist or not.
>
>oh..go on;> I don't understand much of it, and I have next to nil talent 
>at singing, nor, right now, any voice to speak of, or even any training 
>whatsoever, but it's an interesting thread;>

ok.  remember, you asked for it.  oh, i won't actually get around to it until 
tomorrow, i need sleep for this last big approaching concert.

>ooo..an autographed copy..gimme;P

she probably won't.  she hasn't even let *me* at it, yet. <pout>

>Is anyone allowed to go to the FIlk Circle? Party Floor? Huh? Hehhe..me 
>sing...I'll either be sqeaking or high or low;> Well..there's akways the 
>chance my voice will change fully by then, but I hafta doubt it..

hmmm... we need to talk to the parental unit about staying in the U.S. for a 
short weekend... i really wanna go now.  oh, and don't stress your voice too 
much while it's changing.  i must say that sometimes i am glad my voice didn't 
change dramatically because of hormones.

>Dax, I loved the last one..."Lores' Horsey." I can see it. I really can.

me, too.

>Wintershard asked:
>>Would 'hello' then be a form of Shalom?

Shalom means peace, but is used as hello.  at least, as far as i'm aware... 
feel free to correct me if i'm wrong guys...  oh, and in French, you can say 
allo (boy this reeeaallly doesn't look right, and i don't think accents will 
fix it), but that's mostly for when you pick up the phone, or something like 
that.

love,
free bard woodlark, Acolyte in  | "So don't you question my counseling
Music and Song, Knight of Amber | technique!  It's a primitive culture."
and Marigold, and party to      | Deanna Troi, Star Trek: First Contact
deniz's thoughts and computer.  |   dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 23:35:55 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: the other DT<fluff>/Trekkie and Trekker/S&SIII/Singing
Message-ID: <199612050529.XAA17369-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

Kory wrote:
>"Time continuum?  This is no time to be talking about time!  We don't have
>the time... what was I saying?" -- Deanna Troy

I don't mean to make it seem I'm picking on you, but her last name is 
spelled Troi.;><<<

There seems to be a bunch of Trek quotes floating around from FC -- I think
I have mine pretty accurate. I saw it twice! (Kory mutters, "She's
obsessed... I swear she's obsessed... somone throw her into a mental
institution or a Trek convention").

Did anyone notice that Worf took part in the self-destruct sequence when he
really wasn't a part of the Enterprise-E crew? I thought it was *very*
strange. I guess the writers forgot the fact that Worf was a DS9 crew
member and that they put all of the other people who can do the
self-destruct (makes it sound like a dance move, doesn't it?) either on the
surface or in Main Engineering, chillin' with the Borg Queen <grin>.

On Trekker/Trekkie:
Deniz wrote:
>>>Thanks.  I've seen it twice, too.  But I'm not ready to shell out the cash
>>>to 
see it again.  I'm actually a Trekker (I think... Winter?).  I know there's a 
difference, I just keep screwing it up. <sheeps from Winter if I screwed up> 
<sheeps from everyone who's confused about what I'm mumbling about><<<

There are two theories to this: 

1.) Trekkie -- fans of TOS exclusively and people who think Picard is too
soft, Riker's too fat, Crusher's dull, LaForge's boring, Data is annoying
(which annoys *me* to no end), and Troi is a pretty doll. Trekkers -- fans
of all other series, far inferior from Trekkie p.o.v. 

2.) Trekkie -- completely obsessive fans, the most extreme dressing in
homemade Starfleet uniforms and pretending to fire phasers at people. The
less extreme obsessing about plot, characters, and cast members. Trekkers
-- less obsessive fans that may view the extreme Trekkies as "nuts." Not so
fluent in technobabble and Klingon, but still a fan of all things Trek.

What do you think? I think I'm more of the "less extreme Trekkie" type from
theory #2. Example: Remember that *long* "word" I made up for Brent Spiner?

Lady Sara wrote:
>>>Lady Sara, Dryad extraordinaire

"_Resistence_is_futile_!" Data to the Borg Queen<<<

YAY! Another Trekkie/er on the list! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!! <insane
laughter> Sorry. That was my other personality taking over (Spiff? That's
not you? Uh-oh...) You said you were gone since July -- I bet I subscribed
after you left 'cuz I have no idea who you are. But welcome back!

BTW, I'm the Data/Brent Spiner obsessive around here. I may get a little
nuts about His Most Glorious Wonderful Fabulously Sexy ... you get the
idea.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okay, this is so completely amazing: On the way to the Fox Theater in St.
Louis for a field trip (Miss Saigon), we stopped in Arnold, MO, where we
had, literally, a lunch hour. Since I finished eating early, I went to a
used books store. On a whim, I asked the lady at the desk if the store had
S&S III, and lo and behold .... THEY HAD IT!!!!! So naturally, I bought it
(along with the first edition PB of Hawkmistress!). I was so amazed that I
should find it at a place like that. I'm so glad that, on a whim, I asked
for the book... and it's even in near-perfect condition. I was *so*
excited, that I cried most of the first act in Miss Saigon <sheepish grin>.
I was on an emotional high for the day. Spock would find it most illogical
(yes, I love logical and rational men -- more so if they are logical and
rational while showing such innocent and heartbreaking emotions <aka
Data>).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Firemist wrote:
>>> except i've
turned into a bloody alto *cry*<<<

Poor baby! I know how it feels. I was an alto with the range for soprano
and alto, then the following year, my teacher made me a soprano. The next
thing I know, I have this wonderfully fabulous head voice with a killer
range, and I'm one of the pillars supporting the soprano section. Now, I'm
in chamber choir, and my choir teacher decided I should be an alto since I
can read and get the really, really low notes. Now my range is still better
than some in choir (2 1/2 octaves, sometimes a little more), but my
"soprano" voice isn't as pretty, and it's bugging me to no end.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Deniz wrote:
>>>Err... is it out yet?  And what's this other in the series?  I'm
>>>confuzled.<<<

To my knowledge, it's not out yet. It's due out in ... January (undine --
help!)?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Who wrote Swordspoint? I think I asked this earlier, but I forgot. I want
to get it if it's still in print because neither of the libraries to which
I have access do not have that book. <pout>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No Obmisty today (bad Summersong!).

Love and Logic,
Summersong & Spiffy the Cat
Illegitimate Goddess of Emotional Androids (maybe)
*************************************
Akiko Hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>
"Captain, I believe I speak for everyone here 
when I say ... To hell with our orders!" 
-- Lt. Cmdr. Data from Star Trek: First Contact
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:16:08 -0500
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Reply to: Re: I'm back/Farsight/Foresight
Message-ID: <199612050116_MC1-CB6-A7C-+AT+-compuserve.com>

someone said:
>A few people have commented on this, but I'd like to add that Elspeth had 
>Farsight, too.  She had Farsight and Mindspeech, but not in any shockingly 
>strong level, so was an "ordinary" herald.

ah - but Quentin said in discussion with Skif that Elspeth had an 
extraordinarily strong mage gift .. and the thought about her Gift's "feelers".
Something about how it was damn lucky that her Gift had been trained as Farsight, and that she had never been tempted to touch anything she Saw.
Sooo... it seems to me that if one has the Mage Gift, then one has the
ability to use their Mage Gift in the same way as Far Sight. Does
that make any sense?

Firemist

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:48:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: pine/ST:FC/Swordspoint/FarSight
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961205023907.17170A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>


Oh, this is cool.  I just found a new way to braid in pine.  Yay!  No more
exporting to files for me! Wheee! <g>  The cool thing is that it's really
simple too!

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Summersong wrote:

> Did anyone notice that Worf took part in the self-destruct sequence when he
> really wasn't a part of the Enterprise-E crew? I thought it was *very*
> strange. I guess the writers forgot the fact that Worf was a DS9 crew
> member and that they put all of the other people who can do the
> self-destruct (makes it sound like a dance move, doesn't it?) either on the
> surface or in Main Engineering, chillin' with the Borg Queen <grin>.

Yeah, I thought it was kind of odd.  Darn.  I was hoping that he wouldn't
be in the picture, since he's on DS9.  No such luck. (guess who's not a
fan of Worf?)

> Who wrote Swordspoint? I think I asked this earlier, but I forgot. I want
> to get it if it's still in print because neither of the libraries to which
> I have access do not have that book. <pout>

Swordspoint is by Ellen Kushner.  Getitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetit.
(think Heather converted me?  Naaaaaah. <g>)  Besides Summersong,
there are *2* OoUL/L in it!  (personally, I prefer Richard.  I like the
quiet type, not the deliciously bitchy type. <weg> )

===========================================================================
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Rozanna McNeer wrote:

> someone said:
> >A few people have commented on this, but I'd like to add that Elspeth had 
> >Farsight, too.  She had Farsight and Mindspeech, but not in any shockingly 
> >strong level, so was an "ordinary" herald.
> 
> ah - but Quentin said in discussion with Skif that Elspeth had an 
> extraordinarily strong mage gift .. and the thought about her Gift's "feelers".
> Something about how it was damn lucky that her Gift had been trained as Farsight, and that she had never been tempted to touch anything she Saw.
> Sooo... it seems to me that if one has the Mage Gift, then one has the
> ability to use their Mage Gift in the same way as Far Sight. Does
> that make any sense?

My theory is this.  When a trainee has Farsight, sometimes it works like
normal sight, sometimes it's a bit more.  I think that, if a MageGifted
trainee has Farsight as well, well they See a bit more.  Then again, 
I think that Kris was Mage-Gifted, sooooo (I'm thinking of the scene
in the snowstorm, and Kris mentions Seeing energy fluxes (and not just
Talia's uncenteredness too) -- I could find the textevd, but it's 2:45
in the morning. <g> ).


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"The blue rose, rare, one cannot
Adept, God of Procrastination      | gain, if glove or guard be worn.
Heathen #???, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | 'Tis only when, one risks the pain, 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | of flesh against the thorn."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  |         --- Heather Alexander


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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 04:53:18 -0500 (EST)
From: "Romylee A. Ejercito" <rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ele's post/ Christmas/ M&MO/ Trek/ SS 3/ KRee and Ddrums and HBs/ Pets
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961205043021.17014Q-100000-+AT+-mail.wesleyan.edu>


~~Re: Singlish~~

>Ele: What is Singlish?

Myles:	Singaporean English.

>Ele:This is not really list-related. (have a tray of
chocolate covered sheep-shaped "turrones" - BTW, how do you say turron
in English? Cen?? Jag?? other Spanish speakers out there?). 

Myles:	Um, I checked my Spanish-English dictionary (I'm in my first sem
of 
Spanish and my dictionary is getting really battered) and it says turron
is nougat.  
Don't know how accurate that is, but that's what it said.

>Ele (talking to HTH): IMO, yes, you  could be considered a strong
personality 
on the list, but infamous?? What's wrong with speaking freely and
passionately?
I thought this was what it was all about. 

Myles:	Have to agree with you on this one.  Some people just post more
often, 
so they get remembered more.  Also, if you post a lot, you start feeling
more 
comfortable and feeling that you can say what you want to. 

>Ele: I believe that this kind of group experience is an excellent
opportunity
for those of us who are sort of shy 

Myles:	I think something about the fact that the net distances you from
people 
helps a lot.  I mean, even if someone "rejects" you, it wouldn't hurt as
much 
because you've never seen the person and it's just via e-mail.  Also, even
if you 
say something horribly embarrassing, well, you'll prolly never see that
person in 
RL anyway, so it doesn't really matter.  The net sort of eliminates the
risk of rejection.
(Don't I just sound like an arrogant know-it-all?)

~~END~~
~~Re: Christmas~~

>Nina: To me, Christmas is about family and friends being together.  

Myles:	/me sighs.  I won't be going home for Christmas, mainly because it
costs about 
$1200 for me to do so.  I wish I could, I really miss my family.  I even
miss my pesky 
little sister.

~~END~~
~~Re: M listening to MO~~

>Kawryathen: The Heralds seem to have a difficulty listening to their
Companions over humans and this seems to be exploited by the MO's
Companion.

Myles:	Do you think this could be because they're "horses"?  I know the
Heralds know 
they're not, but sometimes, they need to hear if from a fellow human,
maybe because they 
think their Companions don't really understand, since they're not human.
am I making
any sense?

~~END~~
~~Re: Trek books~~

>>Star:  I also really loved McCoy's speech in Spock's World.

>Summersong: Huh. I've never read that book. Is it any good? _Sarek_ is
wonderful. 

Mylee: I read both books, and I loved both of them.  Maybe it's because
I'm just a
Spock fan, so I like anything written about Vulcan.  I even cried while
reading Sarek, 
although I must admit I was in a crying mood at that time.

	Oh, someone also said something about the diff. between a Trekkie
and a Trekker.  I
didn't know there _was_ a difference!  I'm definitely a Trekker, but I
think Trekkie 
sounds better than Trekker.

~~END~~
~~Re: SS III~~

>Summersong: Okay, this is so completely amazing: On the way to the Fox
Theater in St.
Louis for a field trip (Miss Saigon)

Myles:	I love that musical!  A friend recently intro'd me to them and now
I'm hooked.  I 
haven't  actually watched that one yet (I treated myself to Les Mis during
Fall Break) but I'll be 
watching it next week.  How was it?  Can anyone recommend any other good
musicals?
(I'm on a student budget, so I have to pick what I want to watch/buy!)

>Summersong: On a whim, I asked the lady at the desk if the store had S&S
III, and lo and 
behold .... THEY HAD IT!!!!! 

Myles:	Eeep!!!  I read that way way way back before I knew all these
books existed.  My 
friend has it, but it's at her house, and she refuses to sell/give it to
me since she's a Misty fan 
herself.  I've been rereading S&S VII and VIII too, I think they're mostly
Tarma and Kethry 
stories.  Does anyone know which other S&S books have Misty in them?

~~END~~
~~Re: KRee and Ddrums~~

Cen, sorry bout your KRee experience.  Wish I could say I sympathize and I
know how you feel, but I never had a voice in the first place.  *grin*

Kory, the Dragondrums guy was Piemur

Oh, happy birthday to all the birthday people for this week and last week.
I'm not inventive, so how about chocolate chip cookies and chocolate
mousse and choco fudge ice cream for everyone?  (No, I'm not a chocoholic.  
/me tries to hide her mug of hot chocolate behind her back.  Really.)

*sigh*  I didn't get into drawing class for next sem, and I was hoping I
could finally learn how to draw.  I promised myself I'd learn something
artistic, and since I have the voice of a frog and the grace of a sheared
sheep in a snowstorm, the only hope I have left is drawing.  Oh well,
maybe I'll get lucky next Fall.

~~END~~
~~Re: Pets~~

	Do you think they'd have rabbits for pets in Velgarth, or are they
categorized under dinner?  I'm not really a cat person, so I cuddle
rabbits instead (since I can't really put my dog on my lap).




Mylee
aka Quicksilver
rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu
http://www.dragonfire.net/~kaiserina


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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:50:58 -0800
From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Singlish
Message-ID: <199612060350.TAA25264-+AT+-rgs.rgs.edu.sg>

Ele wrote:
>What is Singlish? 

Singlish is Singaporeans' English. It contains dialect phrases and Chinese
phrases like "sotong", which is the Chinese translation of squid (or is it
octopus?). Other examples are like "Wah lau", "kiasu" (hokkien, translated
means "afraid of losing") and other famous ones. 


Stormwind


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