MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1010

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) fluff/religious songs/Owlflight/fluff/singing/bards
	by woodlark<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
  2) Xmas and other festivities
	by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
  3) Brvaes Accused of Stealing Idea of Attribs & Selling For Profit
	by Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
  4) First Contact/Data/X-mas Carols and feelings/Trek Trivia
	by tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
  5) Re: Covers/goddess
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
  6) Re: Covers/goddess
	by Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
  7) clergy/thalkarsh/UK BG cover/X-Men(misty related...really!)
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  8) High Priestess Wants to Testify on Brvaes Behalf, but
	by deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
  9) MZB/being sick
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
 10) re: single life/ colours / a few this 'n thats
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 11) FC/Data/XmasCarols/TrekTrivia
	by tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
 12) Last Message
	by tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
 13) Re: colours
	by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
 14) Re: clergy/thalkarsh/UK BG cover/X-Men(misty related...really!)
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
 15) Re: UK BG cover/X-Men(misty related...really!)/Samhain
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 96 16:48:38 -0500
From: woodlark<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: fluff/religious songs/Owlflight/fluff/singing/bards
Message-ID: <199612082156.QAA25000-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

wow.  i'm finally feeling up to answering all this mail that has come by.  i 
haven't been participating too much.  a lot of it was because of the concert 
which i just finished friday.  ooo, we were on live tv while rehearsing, as 
part of something like city beat.  i think part of it had to do with the 
significance of our concert.  it was for <<la fondation de sixieme decembre>>, 
which is basically in memory of 14 women who were killed and all people killed 
in acts of violence everywhere.  if you're up to hearing the story, write me. 
 it's a little depressing to put on the list.  anyway, we did the concert, and 
it went great.  we had this counter-tenor doing the alto solos, and he's the 
first counter-tenor i've heard who doesn't sound like a man.  i was amazed.  
his voice is soooooo beautiful.  anyway, the concert is over.

and then, after the concert, we had a "it's over" party, as i'm sure Deniz 
told you.  we won't talk about what happened at the party, but i'm feeling 
nice and chipper today (or as chipper as i *can* feel when the weather's 
crappy <glare>).  anyway, there were a few things i wanted to comment on.

Lady Sophia said[concerning my relationship w/ Deniz]:
>>>The Goddess of Music and Song is amused.  She thought as much, but wasn't
100% sure.<<<

i never thought to deceive my Goddess.  i'm glad you found amusement.

>>>BRAVA, Lady Woodlark.  Your Goddess is exceedingly proud of you.  That is
a very difficult solo for a grown woman to sing, because you are expected
to sound like a boy soprano.<<<

thank you.  i guess it helps that i'm not a completely grown woman(yes, 18 is 
young for singers).  at least it works for me.  oh, and next term, my other 
choir(the one that did Handel's Dixit Dominus) is doing Bernstein's Chichester 
Psalms.  i've done those before, and love them a lot.  who knows, i'll 
probably have a chance at the boy solo!

~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-     religious songs
Summersong wrote:
>>>But the religious songs we do in choir("Glory to...", "May the Lord Bless 
You and Keep You", "Sunrise", etc.) really bug me. Does anyone else have this 
problem?<<<

then Korendil(what happened to Brvaes?  what's the verdict?  what's the 
charge?) wrote:
>>>Well, I got really angry when I had to do christmas junk in lower school 
for programs for the parents...but I wouldn't be at those latter two, 
since they're from Fiddler on the Roof and are Jewish--in fact, "May the 
Lord Keep You" was done at my Bar MItzvah by the cantor...but this is 
just a case at how we hate to be forced to do stuff for other's 
religions:(<<<

and Karywathen said:
>>>I do. What I've usually ended u[ doing is talking to the director ahead 
of time letting him know that a seasonal concert is just that a 
*Seasonal* concert, NOT a Christmas concert. They usually agree to cut 
all the religious stuff and stick with the winter themed things. I 
always thought it was amazing how many Christmas carols have nothing to 
do with Christmas.<<<

i had this problem once when i was younger.  i don't remember what the song 
was(this was in 4th or 5th grade), but i remember it had the word "Lord" in 
it.  i burst out crying when i was told to sing it anyway.  since then, i've 
had time to think upon these matters a lot more.  when i sing something that's 
religion specific(any mass, requiem, dixit dominus, magnificat, ave verum, ave 
maria, sicut cervus, ubi caritas, etc...) i don't think of it as a specific 
religion's prayers that i'm performing.

i look beyond the *words* and see the message of praying to *the*divine*, not 
one particular aspect or name of it.  does this make sense?  also, my 
conductor at my old school had a speech that he'd give us before every major 
concert.  it went along the lines of:

	"This might sound corny, but I really do believe that music can
	change the world.  When you sing this ____, you don't have to
	think of it a being Christian religious work.  Instead, it's a
	prayer to whatever you believe to be Holy.  If you're atheistic,
	celebrate the beauty of the music.  The music has a message, and 
	if we sing it with our love and our hearts, then some people out 
	in the audience will hear and understand our message of love.  It 
	might be only a few people, but that's enough.  Those few people 
	will convert(not religiously) a few other people, and in this way, 
	we can change the world, slowly, towards a better tomorrow and to 
	be more loving." -- Mr. Kushner

please think about this for a while and then tell me what you think.

~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-     Owlflight
Kory (so, what's the deal with Brvaes?) also said:
>>>Meg asked:
> By the way, just
>got my copy of  SB today from the SFBC and noticed a book listed on the
>timeline page after the Mage Storms Trilogy called Owlflight.  Anyone know
>anything???   Meg .....who muttles thru somehow.

Um..it's about a Tayledras person. We hope it's a lesbian, but it's 
doubtful. Very. Or wait...did we want a female bisexual? I forget..and 
the thread was only a few weeks ago. sigh.<<<

the first plea was for a lesbian(because it's probably gonna be a gay guy(not 
that there's anything wrong with that, it's just we've already seen her 
portray them, and want some new material)), and then someone else said a 
female bisexual would be nice, too.  i'll be happy with either.

>>>WHo thinks my .sig is too long? I mean, I know it was when I had the 10 
line Les Mis quote, but how about how it was before I got rid of quotes in 
general?<<<

i like how it is right now.  when you had those extra lines, it was really too 
long.  and then there was the... oops... polite.

~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-     more fluff
Sophia said:
>>>Lady Sophia crawls to a sitting position after not making the finals at
yet another competition and replies:<<<

oh dear.  and do you know what i heard right when i read this?  Monty Python's 
"Galaxy Song"

Spoken: Whenever life gets you down, Mrs Brown, and things seem hard or tough, 
	and people are stupid, obnoxious or daft and you feel that you've had 
	quite enough...

	Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving,
	And revolving at 900 miles an hour,
	That's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
	A sun that is the source of all our power.
		<big snip>
	So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
	How amazingly unlikely is your birth
	And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
	Because there's bugger all down here on Earth.

well, they never claimed to be big on tact.

here's a better quote:
	"It is a dark road," she said, speaking more truth than she knew.
	He smiled, so unexpectedly that it stopped her heart for a beat.  He 
smiled up at her, and then rose, and so smiled down upon her, tenderly, 
gravely, with a sure strength whose only place of vulnerability was herself, 
and he said, "All the roads are dark....  Only at the end is there a hope of 
light."
 -- Guy Gavriel Kay, _The_Darkest_Road (PB; HarperCollins Publishing Ltd: 
1992)p. 135

~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-     singing
[Lady Sophia]
>>>This thread is pretty much over - I would just like to point out that as
some people have natural talent for singing, others do have natural talent
for picking up any instrument and learning to play very quickly.  (I knew
someone like that in high school).  And, I must disagree with whoever it
was said that "Any fool can learn to sing."  Many, many people can just
open their mouths and hit the notes - like many, many people can learn
"Mary had a little lamb" on the piano or the recorder - but in order to
truly learn to use the singing voice, it takes quite a lot of effort.<<<

well, i'd like to say that i can understand why Emily made that comment in the 
first place.  singing correctly must come a lot more naturally to someone 
whose parents sing, because they're much less likely to have bad examples or 
to pick up bad habits.

~~~~~~~~~~<-+AT+-     bards
[still Lady Sophia]
>>>RE:  Bards - one wonders if Bards just tend to pitch songs in the keys
that suit them the best?  Especially if they are accompanying
themselves....<<<

i certainly would.  when i'm singing a cappella, there's no question about it.

love,
free bard woodlark, Acolyte in | "So don't you question my counseling
Music and Song, Knight of Amber| technique!  It's a primitive culture."
and Marigold, and party to     | Deanna Troi, Star Trek: First Contact
deniz's thoughts and computer. |   dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA
     http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/9359/

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:14:38 +1030
From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" <Ailsa.nhaWinifreyda-+AT+-flinders.edu.au>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Xmas and other festivities
Message-ID: <9612090044.AA61360-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au>

Dear List sibs,

I am taking a short vacation to sunny Western Australia (Perth to be exact)
to be a "family maiden aunt" to my twin sister's kids - two of the joys of
my life - so I have to set nomail for a while. Do I spoil them? - of course
- that's what being a family maiden aunt is all about. After all Sayvil
spoiled Van heaps and remained a loyal steadfst friend to him.

May all of you be blessed this season - may you receive all that you wish
that will aid you along your journeys and quests. (Be they sheep (in
whatever form you wish it), solos, nectars, dreamings or talismans). May
your bondbirds fly high and your Companions have fun.  May you find joy -
which has been described to me as "happiness deeply felt by the soul"

Many }}}}}zenhugs{{{{{ to you all .... I'll see you in the new year.

Wind to thy wings, list sibs

Much love,

Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda (Aili to my nieces and nephews - all 12 of 'em)


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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 96 19:39:46 -0500
From: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Brvaes Accused of Stealing Idea of Attribs & Selling For Profit
Message-ID: <9612090045.AA17038-+AT+-raptor.icubed.net>

Kaatje said:
> And, if I might also make bold to 
>presume upon thee with the common tongue of my birth, as this elevated 
>language lays weary upon my mind,

Actually, all the "thee" and "thou" stuff *is* the "common" or informal 
form...it's like tu in french....Ken can say this all better, though;> So 
when you use "you," you're being formal....

vix said:
>Well, i was kinda thinking of a Blue or maybe just some sort of hanger-on 
>who really, really, really thiunks s/he belongs in that saddle.

I dunno...I don't think I'd like to read that story. The person would 
hafta be pretty dense--maybe a minor character in a novel, or a short 
story...

>I dunno about you,, but the Holderkin were kinda hard to like, for me 
>anyway!  Minds so narrow Super Mario could run right across them and not 
>fall into the crack.

True...though I imagine that it would be possible for Misty to *make* us 
like them...hmm...well, there's the way that most people wanted a *real* 
Herald, a mage, not just those puny mind-gifts...remember how Withen 
tried to make the Herald that was sent leave, since he wanted a mage to 
get rid of the monsters?

>What do you mean, who does that?!

sorry....never really listened to REM...

> I'd feel a little 
>better about despising the Holderkin if I could get into their heads a 
>little bit farther.

I think what Jake meant was AFlight...

Mat lamented:
>You know, I wonder if my clergy are at all connected to the fact that
>I'm an OoUL/L.  Notice they're al female....  Drat.  That's no fun. ;(

<g> you're not the only deity with only female worshippers--just that it 
isn't a fact I mind;>

>Sure Kory, you correct her, then proceed to mispell Thalkarsh yourself. :)

Wha'? No I didn't! The guy was trying to summon the Imp Tahlkarsh, but 
instead got Demon Thalkarsh!

Dax asked:
>obMisty:  Someone else asked about whether or not the bardic
>magic in the urban and other ML fantasy fit within the grand
>scheme of misty's magic.  My question is: What is the grand
>scheme of misty's magic?

</me puts on Editor Of MoC Pointy Hat Just Like Mickey Mouse's In 
Fantasia;>> Okay..the Grand Unified Misty Magic Theory, or GUMMT for 
short, is a Word In Progress--phase one is collecting everything about 
the theory and application of magic in all of misty's books, which I and 
a loyal group of volunteers are plodding along at with the Mage's Own 
Companion (cute title, huh;P)....so we'll get back t'ye' on that one;>

>Well, I guess that's about it.  Oh, read "Beyond Ragnarock" by
>MZR...great!!!!

Is it? I've got it sitting on a shelf in my room, as it's been for the 
past..gods..almost year, now, and have never gotten past the prologue..

Jag asked:
>And WHAT naked woman thing on the BG cover???

Um..I think he meant on the UK cover, or somethin'...

Rose said:
>It's not conservative. So that leaves either orthodox or ultra-orthodox. 
>But I don't thnk that there are any Chasidim on the list to answer that.

Well..it might also be a traditional thing at his synagogue..

Den--erm, Rainwood asked:
>Kory (so, what's the deal with Brvaes?)

Oh..I forgot on my last two braids;>

>i like how it is right now.  when you had those extra lines, it was really 
>too 
>long.  and then there was the... oops... polite.

No, no! Tell me!

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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 19:59:54 EST
From: tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: First Contact/Data/X-mas Carols and feelings/Trek Trivia
Message-ID: <19961208.185747.8015.1.Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com>

On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 04:05:05 GMT myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) writes:
>the gasps at the sight of the Borg cube, the gasps and the "no, >they
can't do that!" when Picard initiated the self-destruct
>sequence, and the sudden wave of silence and anticipation when >Data
fired the quantum torpedoes at the Phoenix ... we were one >and united.

I finally got to see the movie today and have to agree.  You can feel the
closeness and connection between all the fans of Star Trek. My favorite
crew is ST:TNG (just like Summersong, I ADORE Data) and they make me feel
more than any of the others.

>In one of the fan-fic versions of FC, Data...[snip]  He probably >does
feel lonely...[snip]

I'd be more than happy to help him with that! ;)  As a matter of fact,
that and the movie have given me an idea for a story...

>Christmas Carols:
>But something bugs me: We're also doing "Glory to God in the >Highest,"
and I have a problem with that because I'm not a >Christian. I look at
the Birth of Christ story with an eye of >"legends and mythology, work of
literature".  Does anyone else >have this problem?

I apologize in advance for this but I'm afraid I have the same problem. 
I try really hard to be fair and tolerant of others but when it seems to
be shoved down my throat so much, it gets difficult.  My mom is very
intolerant of my beliefs to the point that she said I can't have rituals
in the house.  But what she doesn't know won't hurt her.  After all, I
hold her hand and bow my head when we say grace at supper and she never
asks me if it bothers me.

The Bible is a good guide to try to live your life by for others but to
me, there's a lot of inconsistencies in it.  Of course, it may be because
so much of it has been mistranslated.  I just don't believe everything I
read.

>More Trek Trivia: Who was "Number One" in TOS's pilot episode, The 
>Cage?
>Who are the two Saaviks in three of the Trek films?
>What Trek "device"(as in part of the episode -- not necessarily 
>machine)
>from "Trouble with Tribbles" actually existed in RL circa 1954?
>Who was the last person to pilot Enterprise-D?

I can answer the last:  Dr. Crusher.  Do I get a sheep? ;)

Sorry no Misty stuff.  But I did cruise Hastings and got to read the
flyleafs on Firebird and the Silver Gryphon. ;)

Tygriss, who FINALLY understands all the FC quotes on other folks' sigs
and who is now annoyed at her cat Rena for shaking her head and slinging
spit onto Sara's glasses

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:21:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Covers/goddess
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961208221614.6717B-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:

> Yup, Lilandra was what I was thinking. :)

	Hmmm... while I'm on an X-Men kick, here's one for you.. how come
we don't see any telepaths/empaths using their powers like Moonstar or
Psylocke?  Or.. who else did that.. Karma? Maybe.. anyway, you know what I
mean. 
> 
> Actually, we do.  Catherine Sundancer is the Goddess of Alliteration
> and Sharp, Pointy Things. (wait, is that right Jag?) She just happens
> to be offlist for the moment (too much work to do).  She can still
> be seen on the MageWars as Catherine Sundancer and Arithon of the
> Sunbolts (for the low, low price of $19.95!!!!! <g> ).
> 
	Ummm... think that's right. Must remember to ask her tomorrow.
<gryn> And don't forget the $2.95 shipping and handling! And for an extra
$5.95, you can get a do-it-yourself Men In White Interrogation Kit (tm)!
Comes complete with superglue-headphones and tapes of all your favorite
torture devices... ahem, Xanth novels, including that paragon of puns The
Color Of Her Panties!
	<ahem> No offense to Piers Anthony fans. <sheepish gryn>

			Blessed be,
			    Jaguar


Leader of the Cat People      J: "You're robbing a govt installation,
Goddess of Large Hunter Cats  Isn't that treason or something?"
Chronicler of the Mage Wars   K: "Your point is what?"
Lady in Green 		          -- Det. Jordan and Kermit
Knight of Amber and Marigold      Kung Fu: The Legend Continues



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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:41:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tensen <tensen-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Covers/goddess
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.961208223640.22320A-100000-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>



On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Jaguar wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
> 
> > Yup, Lilandra was what I was thinking. :)
> 
> 	Hmmm... while I'm on an X-Men kick, here's one for you.. how come
> we don't see any telepaths/empaths using their powers like Moonstar or
> Psylocke?  Or.. who else did that.. Karma? Maybe.. anyway, you know what I
> mean. 

Well, Psylocke wasn't using her powers well until she got kidnapped and 
totally brainwashed for a time by Mandarin (I think thats who it was, 
long time ago, in a land far far away.. oops wrong place :))
Most likely the personality required for empathy is not condusive for 
some of the mindset needed to use power that way.   Telepaths?  Well, I 
dunno, most are porbbaly seriously screwed in not found by someone to 
train them before the power starts manifesting (could be wrong here, just 
have one person's experience to deal from.)


                                        Tensen


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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:55:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: clergy/thalkarsh/UK BG cover/X-Men(misty related...really!)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961208223637.8205C-100000-+AT+-indy11.hofstra.edu>

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Korendil wrote:


> Mat lamented:
> >You know, I wonder if my clergy are at all connected to the fact that
> >I'm an OoUL/L.  Notice they're al female....  Drat.  That's no fun. ;(
> 
> <g> you're not the only deity with only female worshippers--just that it 
> isn't a fact I mind;>

Yeah, but you've just got two.  I have six!!!!!!  (hmm, I think the
Goddess of Music and Song is the only one who can rival me in numbers in
the clergy department)


> >Sure Kory, you correct her, then proceed to mispell Thalkarsh yourself. :)
> 
> Wha'? No I didn't! The guy was trying to summon the Imp Tahlkarsh, but 
> instead got Demon Thalkarsh!

Really?  Shows how long it's been since I read Obound. :)


> Jag asked:
> >And WHAT naked woman thing on the BG cover???
> 
> Um..I think he meant on the UK cover, or somethin'...

Yup.  To the left of the spine, there's a naked woman.  I even checked.


> Den--erm, Rainwood asked:

Eh, Kory?  That should be "Den--erm, Woodlark asked:"  <g>


===========================================================================
On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Jaguar wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
> 
> > Yup, Lilandra was what I was thinking. :)
> 
> 	Hmmm... while I'm on an X-Men kick, here's one for you.. how come
> we don't see any telepaths/empaths using their powers like Moonstar or
> Psylocke?  Or.. who else did that.. Karma? Maybe.. anyway, you know what I
> mean. 

Hmm.  That would be:  "illusions of subjects greatest fears" and "psi
arrows" (I don't see *that* one happening!), psi knife,
mind-control/possesion.

The first one of Moonstar's powers could work.  Except, that's against
Misty's Gifted ethics.  Same with Karma's powers.  The others just
don't seem feasable, given Misty's type of magic.  Mist's mind-magic
doesn't seem to get very into the energy manipulation thing. True magic,
yes, mind-magic, no.  Besides, why use a psi-knife when you've got a
psi-bolt (I never understood that with Psylocke anyway.  Except for the
craving for physical action thing).  I can just see it.

Elspeth raises her MindSpeech Knife, the focused totality of her
MindSpeaking powers......  <g>




Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"The blue rose, rare, one cannot
Adept, God of Procrastination      | gain, if glove or guard be worn.
Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | 'Tis only when, one risks the pain, 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | of flesh against the thorn."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  |         --- Heather Alexander


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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 96 23:32:48 -0500
From: deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: High Priestess Wants to Testify on Brvaes Behalf, but
Message-ID: <199612090433.XAA20304-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>


AAAAAaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!!<----- count 'em yourself XP

	I forgot a birthday.  It came up and hit me on the head.  Okay.  I've 
been a baaaaad girl.  No, on the other hand, I was procrastinating.

	Claris Smith's birthday is today(EST), December 8th.

Claris: On this, your birthday, I sheepfully offer some of my growingly 
famous, fresh from the stove cornbread (home-made, of course!) and a cup of 
chava, and a warm down blanket by a fireplace with a cat (all allergy free) if 
it's cold where you are.  If you're in the Southern Hemisphere, then it's a 
cool zephyr of a breeze on a bright, warm sunny day with a deck chair and 
you're favorite flavour milkshake by your side.

Korendil wrote:
>Mat lamented:
>>You know, I wonder if my clergy are at all connected to the fact that
>>I'm an OoUL/L.  Notice they're al female....  Drat.  That's no fun. ;(
>
><g> you're not the only deity with only female worshippers--just that it 
>isn't a fact I mind;>
>
>>Sure Kory, you correct her, then proceed to mispell Thalkarsh yourself. :)
>
>Wha'? No I didn't! The guy was trying to summon the Imp Tahlkarsh, but 
>instead got Demon Thalkarsh!

I forgot all about that.  Thanks for the laugh!  I think the reason my God was 
confused was because the "him" you were using before was the priest, but the 
guy who summoned Thalkarsh instead of Tahlkarsh was not the priest.  Sorry, 
don't remember the name.  Sheeps on me!

></me puts on Editor Of MoC Pointy Hat Just Like Mickey Mouse's In 
>Fantasia;>> Okay..the Grand Unified Misty Magic Theory, or GUMMT for 
>short, is a Word In Progress--phase one is collecting everything about 
>the theory and application of magic in all of misty's books, which I and 
>a loyal group of volunteers are plodding along at with the Mage's Own 
>Companion (cute title, huh;P)....so we'll get back t'ye' on that one;>

A Word in Progress?  I'm impressed. :P  Hey, I've been wondering for a while, 
too.  Could you send me something on the GUMMT?  Private, of course.

>Jag asked:
>>And WHAT naked woman thing on the BG cover???
>
>Um..I think he meant on the UK cover, or somethin'...

Yes.  He did.  And I must agree.  The thing that disturbs me the most about 
those covers are those "tentacles" the artist gave the gryphons.  They make me 
think of cockroaches.  Ugh.  Also, it looks like Skan's eyes are closed on BG, 
so it gives him even more of the BEM effect. (err... that's Bug-Eyed Monster)

>Den--erm, Rainwood asked:

Hoo boy, you're really gonna get it.  Rainwood has nothing to do with either 
Deniz or Lady Woodlark.

Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Korendil wrote:
>> Mat lamented:
>> >You know, I wonder if my clergy are at all connected to the fact that
>> >I'm an OoUL/L.  Notice they're al female....  Drat.  That's no fun. ;(
>> 
>> <g> you're not the only deity with only female worshippers--just that it 
>> isn't a fact I mind;>
>
>Yeah, but you've just got two.  I have six!!!!!!  (hmm, I think the
>Goddess of Music and Song is the only one who can rival me in numbers in
>the clergy department)

Do you complain, m'lord?

>> Den--erm, Rainwood asked:
>
>Eh, Kory?  That should be "Den--erm, Woodlark asked:"  <g>

I'm glad my God got it right. <glare at sheeping Korendil> Nah, it's not too 
bad.  I won't leave or anything, it's just jarring to see it misattribed.  
Everything's ok, Spock.  Oh, wait a minute.  You're not him.  Who else has 
pointed ears...?
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:17 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: MZB/being sick
Message-ID: <9612091347.AA18056-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

>Mylee: I don't know if she would though.  For the fanfic clubs, she 
>hasn't allowed anyone to have Pern discovered by other humans, and no 
>ties between her Pern and other worlds.  But has anyone ever read this 
>short story that was a cross between Pern and Darkover?  It's in one of 
>the Darkover anthologies, and a rider named S'poon and his dragon 
>(Broth) came over to Darkover.  It was a two or three-page story, and 
>was pretty funny.
Then Firemist said:
>I thought it was T'spoon... It's in one of MZB's many anthologies, 
>last story. Supposedly telling why Darkoverians <??? what the hell 
>are they, anyway???> have the proverb about one doesn't chain a dragon 
>to cook one's food
I know this story! It's in _The Sword of Chaos_ anthology, and it is 
indeed the last story. The dragon and his rider are Pernese, and get 
a job as the grill for a restaurant on Darkover. Their names are 
Broth and T'spoon, and Broth is not very good at grilling meat. It's 
half charred and half raw. The proverb is something like "Never chain 
a dragon to roast one's meat", and the author took it very literally.

Ok, I went to the emergency room (cause there wasn't a doctor on 
campus) and have gotten my medicine. I have bronchitis and I am just 
a little bit better. If I was smart I would skip all my classes 
today, but I can't afford to miss English, and if I get up for that I 
might as well go to Precalc. Anyway, the doctor wasn't happy with the 
way my lungs looked or sounded and made me get a chest x-ray. He also 
gave me a nice antibiotic and told me to keep drinking (water and 
other nonpoisonous liquids). Thankyou to everyone who prayed (or 
whatevered) for me, and please keep it up! I'm doing better, but I 
don't want to start turning blue again (it was just my fingernails, 
but...). 

Emily the invisible


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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 14:56:06 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: single life/ colours / a few this 'n thats
Message-ID: <9612091356.AA09189-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

hola, just some reactions to the weekend's outpouring <g>

Vix:

> (broke up with a boyfriend several weeks ago and 
> trying desperately to PROVE to myself that I can survive single, 
> I can, I think I can do this. . . just not fun).

Course you can - and it can be fun. I had a 7 year run with one guy -
17 to 23. When we broke up I was scared shi**less at the thought of life 
as a single. I survived (First I was afraid, I was petrified, kept ... ah 
sorry, where was I ..), heck, I ended up thanking him for ending it all 
(Pleeeese release me, let me go ......). Just hang on in there, you'll 
break through!

> And Skif!  Poor Skif.  I always liked him.  Does he ever get into a 
> real, solid relationship with anyone, in any book, that lasts more than a 
> few days?  I feel like tracking him down and showing up at his doorstep 
> with tiger lillies and my guitar.

Did you say you were reading Winds? I repeat, hang on in there, although
I really thought he was going to make it with Darkdoodies brother for a
while, ;> They're *made* for each other <weg>!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-
HtH wrote:
>     I just thought it would be interesting to see the Companions screw
> up for once, instead of being the All Wise Spirits looking over their
> Chosen's shoulders, checking for mistakes.  And that's one pretty
> reasonable way it could happen, not because the Companions suddenly turn
> evil, but because they've gotten used to running things their way.
> Anyone ever been on a committee?  How about that dreaded phrase: "But
> we've never done it that way before" or its corrolary "But we've
> *always* done it that way." If people can get rigid and inflexible, why
> can't Companions, just one time?

On the same track - why oh why have they had the same design of whites
for years (serious years). I know we've talked about this before, but
it's the one thing that always annoyed me. And why shite? Oops, I shall 
leave that totally unplanned typo, I meant, why white?! Why not something
relaxing, I mean being a Herald is stressing enough, without wearing white 
all the time. I'd be down with stress headaches if it was me. Now blue, or
a nice soft green, or black even - colours you can live with!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-
Well Ian, depends on which you mean.

> Does any one know if the magic books are still in print, I lent one
> to someone over the summer and I haven't heard from her since. So I
> am down one book

shrike was on the right path:

> somethings are impossible to find ....until you stop looking...then they're
> right where you left them

Do you mean the ones that have to be kept on ice, behind endless locks? Or
the ones that scritch and mutter to themselves? If, on the otherhand you
mean Magic's Prawn/Price/Promise, then yes. At least, they were last time 
I was in Forbidden Plant, about 3 or 4 months ago.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-
Errm, sorry, someone, buried in my wastebasket asked:

> I must confess I peep at spoilers all the time.  Does anyone else do that 
> all the time

Mais oui, what else are they for except to tantalise those that haven't
read 'em yet?

Ok, a totally reactionary mail with no creative thought behind it. In
less than a week I have to organise the packing up of one large dutch 
house into boxes for storage, boxes for London, boxes for my temporary dutch
flat, and boxes for christmas, 'cos the suff that quits the Netherlands
next week don't get delivered to London for two weeks. My husband gets made
redundant in March, my contract ends in March, I have not idea where or how
we'll be living by next summer. I am so stressed out I'm into the "Let me 
sleep for 20 hours" stage, anything to avoid facing the things-that-have-to-
be-done! Still, at least I can still escape to work for a few hours a day. 
Gods I wish it was mid-January - at leaast the multi-moves'll be done.

ciao ciao, from a slightly wild eyed, battered Esmeralda




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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:21:22 EST
From: tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: FC/Data/XmasCarols/TrekTrivia
Message-ID: <19961209.091937.8015.0.Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com>


On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 04:05:05 GMT myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) writes:
>the gasps at the sight of the Borg cube, the gasps and the "no, >they
can't do that!" when Picard initiated the self-destruct
>sequence, and the sudden wave of silence and anticipation when >Data
fired the quantum torpedoes at the Phoenix ... we were one >and
united.... that we are united in this love for All Things Trek.

I couldn't agree more.  I was really annoying other people by clapping
and suddenly jumping forward in my seat when something momentous
happened.  I love the Next Generation crew out of all the others.  They
make me *feel* more.

>Wintershard wrote (on loneliness as one of his/her kind):
>For example, I'm sure that
>with his emotion chip, Data now feels lonely

I could remedy that! ;)  Like you Summersong, I am a Data/Brent Spiner
fanatic and try to catch every interview I can.  My mother had the
audacity to bother me while Sci-Fi Buzz was talking to him just to find
something stupid on the computer.  I missed the whole thing!  Grrrrrr....
 I think she does it on purpose.

After seeing FC, yesterday and reading these comments today, I've got a
germ of an idea for a story....

>Christmas Carols:
>But something bugs me: We're also doing "Glory to God in the >Highest,"
and I have a problem with that because I'm not a >Christian.  I look at
the Birth of Christ story with an eye of >"legends and mythology, work of
literature". 

I'm afraid I have the same problem.  Not only has X-mas become so
commercialized, they also try to shove down your throat how "Christian"
it is.  It's not.  It's sooooo much older than Christianity. Some of my
family used to try to make me go to church on Sundays before X-mas but
don't anymore b/c I just flat told them no and didn't give a reason.  My
mom doesn't even want me to do rituals in the house but has no problem
having me bow my head and hold hands during supper blessing.  She doesn't
know tho, that I have rituals anyway; it's MY faith and I refuse to give
up for someone so "Holder-kin".  She's also homophobic but that's another
story. ;)

>More Trek Trivia: Who was "Number One" in TOS's pilot 
>Who was the last person to pilot Enterprise-D?
>
>Chocolate covered sheep to anyone who can answer all three of them! 

Bev was Commanding Officer and ya know, I think Deanna was at the Conn
and Data at Helm.

Tygriss, who FINALLY understands the quotes in other folks' sigs and who
is now annoyed at Sara's cat Rena who shook her head and sent spit flying
everywhere all over the monitor and her glasses.

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:51:40 EST
From: tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Last Message
Message-ID: <19961209.094934.8015.1.Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com>


Sorry I sent that out twice.  Server said it didn't go out but it
obviously did.  Sigh.  What to do?

Tygriss

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:56:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: colours
Message-ID: <9612091556.AA02977-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk>

> I meant, why white?! Why not something
> relaxing, I mean being a Herald is stressing enough, without wearing white 
> all the time.

Probably to match the companions - they're white :-). Also, nobody else in
their right mind is likely to pick white as a sensible colour to wear (*)
so they'll stand out. Except in the snow. But you can't have everything.

(*) Awkward people may point to cricket players, as a counterexample - but
I think it proves my point (%) :-)

(%) 'sobvious they ought to wear green, for camouflage and to hide the grass
stains. :-)

-- 
   _|_   Jerry Cullingford      jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk      (Work)
  / |    Hemel Hempstead, UK    jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk   (Home)
  \_|_                          www.selune.demon.co.uk  (soon)
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:43:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: clergy/thalkarsh/UK BG cover/X-Men(misty related...really!)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.961209113602.10551E-100000-+AT+-gateway.us.sidwell.edu>

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:

> > >Sure Kory, you correct her, then proceed to mispell Thalkarsh yourself. :)
> > Wha'? No I didn't! The guy was trying to summon the Imp Tahlkarsh, but 
> > instead got Demon Thalkarsh!
> Really?  Shows how long it's been since I read Obound. :)

	I thought there was another "a" in there!

> > Jag asked:
> > >And WHAT naked woman thing on the BG cover???
> > Um..I think he meant on the UK cover, or somethin'...
> Yup.  To the left of the spine, there's a naked woman.  I even checked.
> 
	Oooh... I have the US hardback cover. THat would explain it. What
is this thing with naked women on the covers of these books? 
	
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
> Hmm.  That would be:  "illusions of subjects greatest fears" and "psi
> arrows" (I don't see *that* one happening!), psi knife,
> mind-control/possesion.
> The first one of Moonstar's powers could work.  Except, that's against
> Misty's Gifted ethics.  Same with Karma's powers.  The others just

	<rude and anatomically impossible act> Misty's Gifted ethics. I
want some creative use of Gifts, dammit!

> don't seem feasable, given Misty's type of magic.  Mist's mind-magic
> doesn't seem to get very into the energy manipulation thing. True magic,
> yes, mind-magic, no.  

	True, true... 

Besides, why use a psi-knife when you've got a
> psi-bolt (I never understood that with Psylocke anyway.  Except for the
> craving for physical action thing).  I can just see it.
> 
	Psi-bolts are useful, but they're too ... explosive in close
quarters action, at least from what I've seen. If you're going head to
head with someone, a psi-knife would probably be more useful. And yes,
you might have to go head-to-head sometimes even if you can throw
psi-arrows... if someone jumps you from behind. The part I never
understood was, why does Moonstar need a bow to shoot her psi-arrows?
Physical crutches like that are baaaaad. Then again, I don't like the fact
that Gates need doorways (for the most part, the Empire's Gates I like) to
be formed. 

> Elspeth raises her MindSpeech Knife, the focused totality of her
> MindSpeaking powers......  <g>
> 
	<giggle> Kyril's psi-arrow slammed into his victim's mind, filling
it with his worst nightmares.... Gods. Can you see any of them doing that?
Or, here's an image... Skif turning into a Valdemaren Gambit! Augh!
"O'course, p'tite.." to Talia... AUGH! <gryn>

			Blessed be,
			    Jaguar


Leader of the Cat People      J: "You're robbing a govt installation,
Goddess of Large Hunter Cats  Isn't that treason or something?"
Chronicler of the Mage Wars   K: "Your point is what?"
Lady in Green 		          -- Det. Jordan and Kermit
Knight of Amber and Marigold      Kung Fu: The Legend Continues



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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:38:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: UK BG cover/X-Men(misty related...really!)/Samhain
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961209121351.20417C-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Jaguar wrote:

> > > Jag asked:
> > > >And WHAT naked woman thing on the BG cover???
> > > Um..I think he meant on the UK cover, or somethin'...
> > Yup.  To the left of the spine, there's a naked woman.  I even checked.
> > 
> 	Oooh... I have the US hardback cover. THat would explain it. What
> is this thing with naked women on the covers of these books? 

Well, I have the US one too.  Ian said that he had posted up the UK covers
of Mage Wars and Storms on his page.  I went and looked.  That's
what I was referring to (I went and looked).

BTW - what's with Karal (is that him?) on the UK SB cover???  That
whole cover is lots more metaphysical looking than the mutant squid....
Also, who the hell are those people on the SR cover?  It looks like
a woman or two (neither of whom look like they're Natoli) and a 
bald guy.  Huh?  (on a side note, when we were discussing pronunciations,
I kept meaning to say that I pronounce Natoli as "Natalie", or however
the RL name is spelled.  Except substitute 'o' sound for the 'a'.)


> > > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Mat the Cat in Green wrote:
> > Hmm.  That would be:  "illusions of subjects greatest fears" and "psi
> > arrows" (I don't see *that* one happening!), psi knife,
> > mind-control/possesion.
> > The first one of Moonstar's powers could work.  Except, that's against
> > Misty's Gifted ethics.  Same with Karma's powers.  The others just
> 
> 	<rude and anatomically impossible act> Misty's Gifted ethics. I
> want some creative use of Gifts, dammit!

<g>  You know, we do see a bit of mind control.  It's in AFall, when
Talia and Rolan make the two servants look and seem to be her and Kris.
They give them false memories, and they become "a sketchy sort of 
Talia and Kris." (paraphrase there)  

And hey, we've already seen something that Prof X does.  Lastel Longknife
had a Gift that made people see him as someone they know.  IIRC, Xavier
has done that a few times.  Or at least just made people see things
that aren't really there.

I'd like to see true telekinesis in Velgarth.  Actually, I think
it might be there, but we just haven't seen it.  At one point,
Kris or someone sees a student carrying a stack of dishes and says,
"that youngster better have one of the Fetching Gifts, or else
he's going to lose that stack."  This implies more than one
Fetching Gift.  I think one type is what Dirk has, aka teleportation.
But that's not really TK.  The only time I think we've seen it was in
'Lendel's fits.  It was something like a combination of his Mage and
Fetching Gifts, Savil said.  It sounds like TK to me.

> psi-arrows... if someone jumps you from behind. The part I never
> understood was, why does Moonstar need a bow to shoot her psi-arrows?
> Physical crutches like that are baaaaad. Then again, I don't like the fact
> that Gates need doorways (for the most part, the Empire's Gates I like) to
> be formed. 

Then again, AFAIK, they never explained why she even has the arrows
power....  But that doesn't belong on this list anyway.  And yeah,
physical crutches can be bad.  Moonstar kind of reminds me of
Hank from the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon though..... <g>

> 	<giggle> Kyril's psi-arrow slammed into his victim's mind, filling
> it with his worst nightmares.... Gods. Can you see any of them doing that?

I could see a Misty bad guy doing it, but not a Good Guy. :)

> Or, here's an image... Skif turning into a Valdemaren Gambit! Augh!
> "O'course, p'tite.." to Talia... AUGH! <gryn>

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!  As if the Skif of Winds
wasn't bad enough! <shudder>  (guess who can't stand Gambit? :) )

=========================================================================

On the topic a while ago of how to pronounce "Samhain".

On HA's album, _Life's Flame_, she has song called "Samhain".  However,
when she sings it, it sounds like "Sovven".

Hehe.  Mat's a happy Heathen, now that his copy of L'sF finally came. :)


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"The blue rose, rare, one cannot
Adept, God of Procrastination      | gain, if glove or guard be worn.
Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | 'Tis only when, one risks the pain, 
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | of flesh against the thorn."
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  |         --- Heather Alexander




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