MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1025

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) warning: minimal misty content: BR/huff/JRRT/new stuff/
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  2) Re: focus stones
	by "Kathy Chadman" <chadmank-+AT+-sembilan.uchsc.edu>
  3) focus stones
	by singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
  4) Re: Using Misty names as list names/ dwarves/ Tolkien/ Healing
	by "Romylee A. Ejercito" <rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu>
  5) Postal Mailing Addresses
	by tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
  6) Re: focus stones
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
  7) Re: Ooopsies!!!
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
  8) Re: focus stones/bedlam bardz/miss you all
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
  9) Braid: KoGaS/New Misty books/Bardic voices/focus stones/survey
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
 10) journey
	by "Dan McEndree" <danmce-+AT+-jc.net>
 11) mushy stuff/DT question
	by "Dan McEndree" <danmce-+AT+-jc.net>
 12) Sniffles...
	by Atropa <atropa-+AT+-geocities.com>
 13) Cherryh and Misty
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 14) Reply to: Bardic series
	by Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
 15) Re: Explanations
	by Empress100-+AT+-aol.com
 16) Dwarves.
	by mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
 17) I'm back!/KoGaS/DT
	by Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
 18) Holidays/journeys/all fluff--NO misty
	by LCM46-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: DT question
	by Empress100-+AT+-aol.com
 20) [HUMOR] Arrows Concordance / Keepers of the Flame / Tolkien / Bardic Voices
	by Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com
 21) ADMIN: Auntie Mel's hours over Christmas
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
 22) Re: Using Misty names as list names/ dwarves/ Tolkien/ Healing
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner)
 23) foci / oopsies / lurkers / bardic/ this'n'that
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:28:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: warning: minimal misty content: BR/huff/JRRT/new stuff/
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.961218152750.21693B-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>


On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Jaguar wrote:

> > I can't help but think of the little silver origami unicorn at the end of
> > the movie Blade Runner.  Sorry, I just finsihed a research paper about the
> > book the movie was based on.  I have Electric Sheep on the brain!
> > 
> 	Replicants! Yay! Thinking of the little silver origami unicorn...
> did you see the director's cut one, where there's a brief dream sequence
> of a running unicorn in a forest? Really nice.. 

That's the only one I have seen.  But if you liked the movie Jag, go read
the orginal, the novel, _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_, by Philip
K. Dick.  *Much*, *much* cooler than the movie.  It's a good thing I liked
it, I just did a paper entitled, "How Do We Define Humanity in PKD's
DADoES ?".

> > > To all the Vicki/Henry/Cellucci fans of Tanya Huff, her 5th novel in the
> > > series, Blood Debt, is due out March/April 97.
> > 
> 	Yeahh... that's one I'd like to see.. It *was* Blood Pact, btw.
> Have all four books. And it's not that bad.. I always thought it was sort
> of final, though. 

Yeah, I have books 1, 3, & 4 at home.  It was kind of final.  But it'll be
interesting to see how Huff deals with the ending, and how she goes on
with the characters' lives.


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On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Emily L Cartier wrote:

> My favorite deity (the one who puts things off) said:

Thank you milady. :)  Makes me sound like a 50's sitcom though.. <g>

> >Jeez, relax. Think about it.  How often to do we veer off into another
> >author's topics?  Quite a lot.  So, for a few days, we've discussed a
> >small amount of Tolkein.  Big deal.
> 
> Would the newbies who complaineth, and my fave god _both_ relax <g>? I 

Oh, I am relaxed.  As Heather says, I'm the mellow one around here. :)
Reread what I wrote in a relaxed voice. :)

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On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 singer-+AT+-iglobal.net wrote:


> BTW, which is the first Korendil book?  *Summoned to Tourney* or *Knight of
> Ghosts and Shadows*? I wanted to read that series now, but I'm not sure
> which to start with.

It's KoGaS.  Definitely read it.

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On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Ken Hyde wrote:

> Well, since I have never seen the poster, I can't say for sure, but
> remember that Strider (Aragorn) was tall and lanky and he did have a
> very Elvish cast to him since he was one of the men of Westernesse.
> Also, even if it is supposed to be Earendil, remember that he was fully
> human too. Elrond and Elros got their Elvish blood from their mom,
> Elwing (God, there are just way to many el's in that family *grin*).  

Was Earendil human?  I forget.  I thought he was Half-Elven. <shrug>  That
shows how long its been since I read the Silmarillion.   And the El's
aren't the worst of it.  How about the Noldor royal family?  All those
Fin's (fingolfin, finarfin, etc.)

> Hmmm.  Well, I didn't realize that there were any Davey Sullivan books
> after Stoneskin's Revenge.  I thought that that was the last book in that
> series.  

Well, from what I've heard (I forget where from), _Ghostcountry's Wrath_
is another book about the Cherokee guy...Calvin?  Then, _Dreemseeker's
Road_ has Davey and the gang back in action.

> subgenre. Speaking of which, has anyone read her collab in the historical
> fantasy series that Cherryh is editing (I think?)?  IIRC, it is titled "To
> Sow the Whirlwind" or something like, and is a speculative history.

It's actually _Reap the Whirlwind_.  I've never read it.  I keep seeing it
in my library, but it just doesn't interest me enought to read.  Sooner or
later, I'm going to read Misty's Merovingen Nights stories.  I just read
Cherryh's _Angel With the Sword_.  Good, nothing spectacular.  When I run
out of books to read, I'll borrow the anthologies from my library.

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On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 Empress100-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> I didn't know that Misty had a couple of new books out besides Storm
> Breaking.  Could someone please fill me in so I can rush right down to my
> book store.

Well, there's the hardcover, _Firebird_, which is supposedly a retelling
of a Russian folktale.  Also is _Sword of Ice_, an anthology of Velgarth
stories, mostly written by other people besides Misty.

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On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Katherine M. Brielmaier wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Ken Hyde wrote:
> Very true, but I think Cen, if you could see this thing, you'd agree with 
> Mat.  I think it's supposed to be Aragorn, but he looks positively 
> anorexic--not at all like someone who'd spent a great deal of his life in 
> the open country, fending for himself.  This guy looks like he'd fall 
> over if the wind got too strong.  
> A moot point, though, since you can't see the picture. :)

<big nod> Anorexic says it all.   And Kaatje, of you compare "Aragorn"
with Legolas at the bottom, they look kind of alike, don;t they (at least,
I'm assuming it's Legolas, since the matching circle on the left is
Gimli, and there are seagulls flying around L's head))


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"Hey diddle-dee, answer me this riddle,
Adept, God of Procrastination      | hey diddle-do, tell me what you will.
Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | Dance all day with the Cat and the
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | Fiddle. Come and lay with the Heather
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  | on the hill"   --- Heather Alexander






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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:45:54 -700 MST
From: "Kathy Chadman" <chadmank-+AT+-sembilan.uchsc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: focus stones
Message-ID: <330A4B684B-+AT+-sembilan.uchsc.edu>


Hi all,

On the focus stone issue -- in WoC when Firesong is teaching Darkwind 
and Elspeth don't they all use something to focus, the beat of a 
drum?  It's been awhile, but I thought that during some fight Elspeth 
started tapping to focus their attack.  Just thought I'd mention it.

Kathy

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 17:58:17 -0600
From: singer-+AT+-iglobal.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: focus stones
Message-ID: <v01510100aeddea70553c-+AT+-[207.43.170.82]>


I wasn't trying to say that only Guardians use focus stones, only that the
only Herald-Mages we *see* doing so are the Guardians.  It seems to have
something to do with their Guardianship, pre Web.  But I don't think this
proves anything either way; we don't see enough mages of any kind using
stones to determine who would have used them or what their purpose might
be.  I was just offering a theory.  I just didn't want you all to
misunderstand and think I was making an asolute statement about Guardians
and stones, because I wasn't at all! :-)

I know the scene you mention Emily; it *is* in the first pages of _Magic's
Promise_, when Vanyel gives Savil the rose quartz.  She comments on how she
thought she got off well with rose quartz because it was cheap and
available, not realizing how hard it was to find a stone large enough and
unflawed.  She mentioned two others......Derdre and somebody who had topaz
and ruby.  I got the impression these were previous Guardians, but who
knows?  *I* sure don't. (I have a sudden urge to cover my head now and say
"don't hurt me".  I am shutting up. Just didn't want anyone to
misunderstand.) :-)

Hmm.  BTW, there is a Companion Derdre in _Sword of Ice_?  Coincidence? <g>

May her light fill your hearts and Her peace fill your tents.


                                Go Gently,

                                        Tresta

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Tresta shena Jor'ethan                          "Love must live free."
Healer to horses                                        -Shin'a'in Teaching
Knight of Amber and Marigold

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To be tired of horses is to be tired of life; horses are a gift to us."

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:24:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Romylee A. Ejercito" <rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Using Misty names as list names/ dwarves/ Tolkien/ Healing
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961218183110.18628K-100000-+AT+-mail.wesleyan.edu>


~~Using Misty names as list names~~

	Well, one reason I never picked the name of a character in a Misty
book was because of The Copyright.  Some authors get annoyed if their
chars' names are used, and I guess quite a lot of authors' lawyers get
annoyed.  I'm very risk-averse, so I'd rather not take the chance.  And
some authors have "spies" in the club/list/whatever to make sure that
there's no infringement on their copyright.

~~END~~
~~dwarves~~

Liha'irden: <snip> didja ever notice that whenever there's a dwarf in a
book he's dead
meat? 

Myles: Since we're on Tolkien right now, Gimli didn't die, only Thorin
Oakenshield died in the Hobbit.  /me frowns and tries to think.  I'm not
sure about the Terry Brooks' stuff.  His writing is very Tolkienish, and
though I've read all the Shannara stuff, I never reread it, and by the end
of it, I was only buying it so I'd find out how it ended, and not b/c I
loved it.  It's not a bad series, just very heavy, and long.  Oh wait, I
was talking about dwarves.  Um, in Guardians of the Flame (I've only read
the first book), the dwarf did die, but he was resurrected.  I don't know
if that counts.

~~END~~
~~Why are we discussing Tolkien?~~

Myles:  Well, a few days ago, we were on McCaffrey, and no one seemed to
mind.  And when I first joined, there was a whole bunch of Star Trek
stuff.  Even if Misty's written a lot of books, there are a finite number
of things we can talk about.  Think of it as fluff, maybe it won't bother
you so much.  It's not as off-topic as say, the chocolate stuff we've been
talking about.  /me shrugs.  I love Misty's work, but I can't just keep
talking/reading about her.  Also, since people put stuff in the subject
and put little headers inside the post, just skip through the Tolkien
parts if it bothers you that much.

~~END~~
~~Healing~~

Mat: Well, IIRC (and I think I practically have Arrows memorized), they
can Heal bones, just not speed-Heal them.<snip>

Myles:  If gryphons' bones undergo too much speed-healing, they become
weak and it sort of messes up their flying, right?  Is this true for other
species as well?

~~END~~

	I'll have to unsubscribe by Saturday (or maybe go on digest or
postpone or whatever, gotta check the FAQ) coz I'll be without Net access
for a couple of weeks.  I'll be visiting a friend in Chicago, who I
actually met in a diff. club.  I've talked to her on IRC and over the
phone, but I haven't seen her (though I do have her pic).  Anyway, I'll be
spending Christmas with her.  /me is pretty excited but not looking
forward to the loooong trip.  She doesn't have Net access right now, so I
won't be able to check e-mail either.  *shudder*  Withdrawal.  


Myles
rejercito-+AT+-wesleyan.edu
http://www.dragonfire.net~kaiserina

	I have one of the most brilliant minds on earth...
		BUT EDUCATION RUINED IT!!!

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:54:53 EST
From: tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Sara A Youngblood)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Cc: LotPW-+AT+-aol.com
Subject: Postal Mailing Addresses
Message-ID: <19961218.185308.5231.0.Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com>

Could folks please send me your postal mailing addresses for my X-mas
card list?  Send it to me privately because these messages get archived
and then the whole internet will see your home address.  And include your
real name, too.

Thanx!

Tygriss

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:06:05 -0500
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: focus stones
Message-ID: <199612190206.VAA23042-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

At 02:14 AM 12/18/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Someone brought up the fact that people aren't seen using focua atones 
>anymore. Well, the shower fairy gave me an idea.
>In LHM, we see the Herald-mages using focus stones, right? And we see 
>how imortant they are to be able to take nodal energy and make it their 
>own without expending more effort than necessary. I don't remember the 
>Tayledras being shown as using focus stones at all, and Valdemar doesn't 
>seem to need them when Elspeth comes into power. This all led me to a 
>conclusion. The Tayledras don't need a stone because their link to the 
>Heartstone acts as the same thing. The Herald-mages needed them because 
>they did not have any thing to link to that would buffer the effects. 
>Elspeth doesn't need one because she was tied to the Tayledras 
>Heartstone and when she enters Valdemar, she doesn't need one because 
>she is tied to the Heartstone in Haven by Gwena.
>Okay, I'm ready for holes to be shot in this, but I think it's a 
>perfectly nice theory.
>                                   Kawryathen
>

I think that is as good as explanation as any.  The only question I have is
why did Vanyel use a focus when he created the Heartstone?  Shouldn't he
have been linked to it like a Tayledras?  Those are the only question that I
have concerning the theory that you have just given,

Aistes


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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:06:08 -0500
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ooopsies!!!
Message-ID: <199612190206.VAA23059-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

At 11:28 AM 12/18/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Sorry, I forgot that Tarma was the Shin'a'in warrior that trained
>Kerowyn, she wasn't the kyree. Geez bad mistake by me, hope you all
>forgive me for that ooopsie.
>
>Wind to Thy Wings
>
>Kerowynn k'Sheyna
>Clan Woad
>

Don't worry we all have made those little errors at least once.  But Warrl
trained Kero in her mind gift.  I think that is what you meant.  But Ohh
well I don't remember much of BtS. I've only read the thing about 10 times
and still can't remember all the parts I liked.

Aistes


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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:06:11 -0500
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: focus stones/bedlam bardz/miss you all
Message-ID: <199612190206.VAA23078-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

At 05:45 PM 12/18/96 GMT, you wrote:
>
>Heyla, everyone.  I am really missing you all; everyone just disappeared.
>I first realized how attatched I really was to all of you, and to this
>list, the first weekend I was signed on when the mail *really* slacked off.
>It was worse over thanksgiving, and even worse now.....come back soon!  I
>really want to have a long Misty-type discussion, but I don't have any
>ideas right not and there aren't enough of us to get the ball rolling.
><sob>
There are still a few of us left who won't go away for that long.  I go away
Saturday and will be back Sunday so I will talk with you if you want.  Only
problem is what to talk about.  Hey how about the magics that the new mages
may have or may not have.  That will fascinate us for a while maybe we can
come up with some new ways that the Empire uses magic.

Aistes


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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:31:45 +0000
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: KoGaS/New Misty books/Bardic voices/focus stones/survey
Message-ID: <199612190225.UAA02667-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

Tresta wrote:
>>>BTW, which is the first Korendil book?  *Summoned to Tourney* or *Knight of
Ghosts and Shadows*? I wanted to read that series now, but I'm not sure
which to start with.<<<

That would be KoGaS. In my opinion, it is one of the best of Misty, after
the LHM tril. and Children of the Night. To me, it was *very* exciting,
gripping -- I finished it in two days. Maybe it was an easy read, or maybe
not. The fact here is that I enjoyed it immensely (and it was my friend's
copy -- I really really really need to get a copy for myself!).
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David wrote:
>>>I didn't know that Misty had a couple of new books out besides Storm
Breaking.  Could someone please fill me in so I can rush right down to my
book store.<<<

Firebird, Sword of Ice... anything else? And in case you haven't read any
of her urban fantasy or Diana Tregarde investigations, you have to get
Knight of Ghosts and Shadows or Children of the Night (both are paperback).

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Kaatje wrote:
>>> Got tired of cardboard characters, cardboard plots...  
I did think that world was very well thought-out, though, even if she 
didn't do anything with the bits I thought were the most interesting.<<<

I found The Robin and the Kestrel extremely dry. The Eagle and the
Nightingales was interesting up to a certain point, but both of them just
seemed recycled. I think if Misty wanted to write a romance novel, she
should have made it into a romance novel so those of us who don't like them
can avoid a somewhat "romancey" book. And I didn't need that much detail
about T'fyrr's anatomy.
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Dax wrote on how some mages don't have to use focus stones, but it was a
"nice thing to have". I'd like to add that since the Tayledras didn't use
focus stones, when Elspeth learned to use her Gift, she probably learned to
focus without one. IIRC, the Tayledras could invoke a form of the Truth
Spell without much meditation or chanting. I think with magic, they work
the same way; they are more focused in their training.
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Okay, this is kind of a fluffy survey:
Which is more comfortable writing: Poetry or prose?

Which is more comfortable reading: Poetry or prose?

I'd like response to this off-list, unless someone wants to discuss this at
length.

Sorry so short -- gotta do a *heavy-duty* world history assignment. 

Love & Logic,
Summersong & Spiffy the Cat
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Akiko Hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>
"Captain, I believe I speak for everyone here 
when I say ... To hell with our orders!" 
-- Lt. Cmdr. Data from Star Trek: First Contact
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:01:24 -0500
From: "Dan McEndree" <danmce-+AT+-jc.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: journey
Message-ID: <199612190303.VAA20277-+AT+-esper.jc.net>

To everyone out there who is traveling this holiday season,
Have a pleasent and safe journey, and hurry back.

Danyel

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:14:13 -0500
From: "Dan McEndree" <danmce-+AT+-jc.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: mushy stuff/DT question
Message-ID: <199612190316.VAA20423-+AT+-esper.jc.net>

I just wanted to say that I think that this is the coolest mailing list
ever.  Everyone here is really great and even though I've only been on a
couple of days, I feel a sense of comraderie and friendship towards
everyone on this list, new or old. I know that this is a little mushy, so
I'll try to limit myself.   Question: Why such animosity towards the DT
books? I personally loved them, in fact that's how I got hooked on Misty.

Danyel

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:11:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Atropa <atropa-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Sniffles...
Message-ID: <199612190311.TAA26560-+AT+-geocities.com>

/me sniffles...  My puter crashed... lovely holiday present, no?  NEways,
don worry, got alla my mail eventually (you'd be amazed just how long it
takes to dl 600+ msgs) sheesh, only was gone for 3 days!  So I eventually
get to read it all...

Happy holidays, no misty stuff for me today... er... na, here goes, not much
NEways.  Got Sword of Ice um... day afore yesterday.  Tis most cool, my
friend has taken possession of it now though cause I finished it...  Have a
good one dudes.

-Atropa

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Thorns crumble
Petals wilt
Time passes unknowing
Death of a rose

-Unknown

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Atropa Belladonna, the Dark Angel -+AT+- atropa-+AT+-geocities.com
-In other words, MOI
-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4939/
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:13:03 -0500
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Cherryh and Misty
Message-ID: <199612190013_MC1-D81-720C-+AT+-compuserve.com>

Cennydd said:
> Speaking of which, has anyone read her collab in the historical
>fantasy series that Cherryh is editing (I think?)?  IIRC, it is titled "To
>Sow the Whirlwind" or something like, and is a speculative history.

Firemist is on the verge of swooning! Once <just once!> she knows
something that Cennydd doesn't. The book Misty co-wrote with
Cherryh is called "To Reap the Whirlwind" and the series is called 
"The Sword of Knowledge." Cherryh co-authored them all, and the
order is so:
  A Dirge for Sabis, by Cherryh and Leslie Fish
  Wizard Spawn, by Cherryh and Nancy Asire
  Reap the Whirlwind, by cherryh and Misty

Personally (hang on, blasphemey ahead) I though DfS was the best,
PtW second, and WS was just about skippable (meaning I don't
remember it off-hand) But then again, I have the three-in-one set
from Baen, so I think of it as one novel, not three.

Firemist


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:19:08 -0500
From: Rozanna McNeer <rozanm-+AT+-wow.com>
To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" <MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK>
Subject: Reply to: Bardic series
Message-ID: <199612190019_MC1-D80-B41A-+AT+-compuserve.com>


Personally I agree with the Alanda sereis getting old, but that's only 
because it's always the Bards vs. the Church/Guild <snore> On the other
hand, that didn't stop me from buying E&N in HB in the (vain) hopes
that it would prove to be different. Actually, it was different in the 
main thrust being towards freeing the king, but there was still alot
of Church tension thrown in, and seemed that it the whole series
was starting to feel contrived -> like Misty thought to herself, "oops! gotta
write a new novel since the bills still have to be paid. let's whip out the
Alanda series plan an crank out one of those..."

it's all IMO, btw. I still like the books, but they are not on par with the MPs,
or even with RtW.  About the same level as the Bedlam bardz, Serrated
Edge, and the co-authroed Castle-of-deception thingy...

Firemist

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:34:07 -0500
From: Empress100-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Explanations
Message-ID: <961218225203_1456424364-+AT+-emout03.mail.aol.com>

I would  like to start by saying that I never meant that only gaurdians use
focus stones.  The point that I was trying to make was that perhaps the only
difference was that Vanyel and the other Herald-Mages(not just gaurdians)
were trained in a different sort of magic than Elspeth and Darkwind and that
is why they, Elspeth and Darkwind, don't use focus stones.  That is the way
that it struck me.

I have been in and out of this mailing list several times over the years,
gosh has it really been that long!!, so I don't know if you would classify me
as a newbie or not.  I do not know what a lurker is so I don't know if I am
one.

David

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 17:57:14 EST
From: mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Dwarves.
Message-ID: <9612190657.AA02307-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


Liha'irden wrote:
> didja ever notice that whenever there's a dwarf in a book he's dead 
> meat? i think it is an awful bias in the fantasy genre.  when i 
> become a famous fantasy writer (hahaha) i resolve NEVER to kill a 
> dwarf unless it is like absolutely necessary!

Check out Robert Heinlein's _Glory Road_ - it's got the stereotypical
Hero, Heroine and Dwarf, but it's kinda deep as well. It's meant to
be read on a number of levels, methinks.. (And the dwarf gets a fair
go.. which isn't to say whether or not he gets killed, 'cos that'd be
a spoiler <g>).

Cheers,
Kerry.  <mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com>


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:00:15 +0800
From: Lady Windsong <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: I'm back!/KoGaS/DT
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961219145948.418fb6d2-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>

Heyla everyone! Sorry this is so short:

I'm home! My last message didn't get through, my message about leaving. To
my absolute *horror*, when I checked my mail last night, it was sitting
there, pretty as you please, 'cos I unsubbed 'fore I sent it. *sigh* My
family went for a holiday in the States: LA (Disneyland! <G>), San Fran,
Grand Canyon...I had a wonderful time! *And* I finally got some of the books
I can't get here. _Tam Lin_, an autographed copy of _Swordspoint_...<G>
[BTW, if any one wants the autographed copy, I'm perfectly willing to send
it to you, provided you send me a copy in return, 'kay? :)] But I missed you
guys. :) I'm so glad to be back! Anyway, in my last message, I sent the
December present, but it didn't get through, so...

To all the December birthday people (Sorry this is so late!):

I give you all a large chocolate fudge cake, large enough for the whole list
to share, one slice each. Also, vanilla ice-cream, just for a change. And
drinks all round, whatever you prefer. <G> And finally, since this is so
late, a grab bag of gifts, just reach your hand in and pull, and may you
receive what you've always wanted! :) It's party time, everyone!

I read KoGaS on the plane on the way home, I had 15 hours, so I started the
book, and just plain couldn't put it *down! I finished it in one sitting.
Loved it, and I liked *all* the characters. Well, the good guys, anyway! <G>
My advice, IMNSHO, is to get it. Get it, get it, get it. <G>

Last question:

Is _Children of the Night_ very good? Very, very good? A Must Read(tm)? It
sounds really interesting, and it's another one of those 'I can't find it
here in Singapore' books; nor could I find it in the Barnes and Noble I
visited in San Fran. *sob* And if it is good, would any one be so kind as to
get a copy and send it to me? I promise to pay you. <G> Thanks very much,
and would you please answer by *private* email so we don't clog Vanyel? <G>
Thanks once again, and the addy is <ywlau-+AT+-singnet.com.sg>. 


 Walk in Peace always,          
 Lady Windsong.

 'Your joy is your sorrow unmasked. And the selfsame well from which your
laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.' Gibran, _The Prophet_


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:50:29 -0500
From: LCM46-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Holidays/journeys/all fluff--NO misty
Message-ID: <961218224437_1720752089-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

For those of you leaving the list---Hurry Back!!  For those of you
traveling--Go Safely!!
To those of you that celebrate Christmas----have a happy one----------Those
that celebrate Hanukkah----I hope you enjoyed your holidays---------HAPPY NEW
YEAR,
everyone.

I will not be leaving the list--I check my mail twice a day, and will
probably even "force" myself to do so on Christmas Day---so, here's one more
person that will
still be around.

Tired, and more shopping yet to come,
                                                              Lorraine
                                            Goddess of Domesticity/Laundry

But I'm not dead yet!
     MP/Holy Grail

(

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 03:00:59 -0500
From: Empress100-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: DT question
Message-ID: <961218225539_641701558-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com>

I don't know why that is either.  I love the Diana books.  I know that
everyone seems to like Children of the Night, but I really like Jinx High.  I
herad the last time I was on this list that a new company had bought the
rights to the books that occured between Children of the Night and Jinx High
and were going to publish them.  Has anyone heard anything?

David

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 04:00:54 -0500
From: Shdwflt-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: [HUMOR] Arrows Concordance / Keepers of the Flame / Tolkien / Bardic Voices
Message-ID: <961219020426_1988367339-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

If I could find my Arrows Concordance I would enter this argument, but it's
lost somewhere in the Void (also known as "Jake's Bookshelf.")  It was
written by Juanita Coulson (edited, whatever) but I do believe (I think it
said it in the forward) that it was approved by Misty.  Then again, in SF, a
lot of stuff one would THINK would be canon, wouldn't be.  Just because
something is not CANON does not make it a valid source... right?

=====

Mat wrote (about PHOENYX; KEEPERS OF THE FLAME)

<<I know Jake's been looking for a copy forever. :)  If you ever do find one,
let me know (you too Jake! <g> -- I bet I have some Heather songs you don't
still! <g>)>>

*giggle* I DO have one.  It's about a fifteenth generation copy though.  NO
FAIR! *drool* The music is delicious.

JAKE'S TOP TEN THEORIES WHY KEEPERS OF THE FLAME WILL NOT GO BACK INTO PRINT.

10 - Like the Tickle Me Elmo craze, Heather Alexander wants to have the tapes
retail for about 1000% over list price.

9 -  Other members of Phoenyx would have to quit their jobs in restaurant
management, pizza delivery, and auto part sales in order to go back on world
tour. (Offended? Well can YOU name anyone else from the band without looking
at the cover?)

8 -  Cover of Barney's "I Love You" song an embarrassment.

7 -  "Bulk eraser?  What's that?  I'll just put it here on the tape deck..."

6 -  Just *had* to use something to copy the live shows on.

5 -  Did not want to be associated with "Elric of Melinmnennenbone (sp?)."
 Who would?

4 -  "What do you MEAN, you sold the LAST copy of it?  Where am I going to
get more?"

3 -  Coffee and delicate electric recording equipment -- a no no!

2 -  Originally recorded by Heather's Evil Twin whom she wishes to forget.

1 -  Master copy of the cassettes abducted by space aliens; they're now
rocking to "Creature of the Wood" on Mars.

=====

I agree with Mat the Cat in the Hat about Tolkien.  Big deal.  We talked
about Tolkien for a few days.  We talk about Star Trek and McCafferey
constantly.  So there's no big deal.  At least it's SOMEWHAT on topic (I'm
stretching.. fantasy genre, at least). I despise Tolkien (like I do
McCafferey).  But I'm not going to complain about it. 

=====

I *liked* the Bardic Voices and Choices books.  What makes them so icky?  I
don't think they're tied into the Bard's Tale books, though (and me, being a
minority on the list about this, enjoyed the Bard's Tale books immensely)

*yawn*  I guess I should check mail at a decent hour.. off to sleep. 

Remember, folks, be nice to your holiday retailers!  *grin* 

Jake


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:46:47 GMT
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: ADMIN: Auntie Mel's hours over Christmas
Message-ID: <199612191246.MAA10901-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

It's almost upon us ... 

I will be out of the office from 24/12 until 1/1 (inclusive). It is likely that
I will be reading email occasionally for most of that time, but anything I
_must_ see should be sent to my personal mailbox (mel-+AT+-herald.co.uk) rather
than server-+AT+-herald, lackey-owner-+AT+-herald, or indeed mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.
I can't guarantee my usual fairly swift response since I will be out and about
visiting relatives and the like.

Anything that usually requires me to physically be in the office, such as 
removing people from the subscriber lists, may well not get done until after
I get back.

Happy holidays, for those that celebrate something at this time of year; happy
last-week-in-December for those who don't :)

Mel

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:08:02 -0600
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Using Misty names as list names/ dwarves/ Tolkien/ Healing
Message-ID: <199612191405.AA060594341-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>


>~~Healing~~
>
>Mat: Well, IIRC (and I think I practically have Arrows memorized), they
>can Heal bones, just not speed-Heal them.<snip>
>

And, when Talia was recovering in Haven, she stayed awake so Rolan could
also add his powers to the Healers'.  She makes a comment that even though
it's painful that she's awake, the speed healing is necessary.  Then, Talia
adds something to the effect of "all that's left are the bones, and you
can't spped heal those."


>	I'll have to unsubscribe by Saturday (or maybe go on digest or
>postpone or whatever, gotta check the FAQ) coz I'll be without Net access
>for a couple of weeks.  I'll be visiting a friend in Chicago

Um..you'd better dress _very_ warmly.  Winter decided to finally show up
here..no snow as of yet, but the lovely Windy City is living up to its name
once again (the current wind chill is about -20 to -25 and dropping).
Consider yourself duly warned :>

 
>
Nina Ehgartner
Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid
J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management
email:  nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
Phone: (847) 491-3308
Fax: (847) 491-4960


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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 15:50:03 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: foci / oopsies / lurkers / bardic/ this'n'that
Message-ID: <9612191450.AA20000-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

greetings - if I don't get time to mail tomorrow, I'm postponing
for 2 weeks - that's the joy of big european conglomerates - they
shut for 10 or more days over Christmas and New Year - I'm away
from 20th Dec to Jan 6th, for 2 days of leave - good eh? So,
happy whatevers to all, enjoy whatever break you get, and here's 
to 1997 (I still want to know where 1996 went!).

Kathy wrote:
> On the focus stone issue -- in WoC when Firesong is teaching Darkwind 
> and Elspeth don't they all use something to focus, the beat of a 
> drum?  It's been awhile, but I thought that during some fight Elspeth 
> started tapping to focus their attack.  Just thought I'd mention it.

Yes - and in Storm 2 when Firesong is throwing his wobbly, he notices 
Elspeth tapping a rhythm as she and Darkdoodit contain him. I think a
focus stone was just that, something to focus on, Elspeth found rhythm
worked for her. Now this is very distant vague thought - but didn't 
Falconsbreath have a focus stone - the one Nyara smashes, sending him
into the void??

&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*
There's something about this line of &*&* that makes me think
of multiple giggles - don't ask me why - one of those daft associations
a psychologist would no doubt find "very interesting". The brain has now
lurched into one of the Eddings books, when Garion lights a candle 
that "giggles", so my head now has an image of a darked, high ceiling 
room, Doodit (Garion's wife) asleep in a huge canopied bed, and a 
giggling candle - oy yey, I need some sleep!

&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*
Kerowynn k'Sheyna
> Sorry, I forgot that Tarma was the Shin'a'in warrior that trained
> Kerowyn, she wasn't the kyree. Geez bad mistake by me, hope you all
> forgive me for that ooopsie.

Well, not a total oopsie - Waarl did teach Kero - he got annoyed by 
her mental chatter, or leakage or somesuch, so decided to teach her.
Tarm covered the physical stuff, Waarl the mental, and Keth fed 'em, 
as far as I recall.

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David  asks
> I do not know what a lurker is so I don't know if I am one.

well, I'd make a stab at one who lurks! Hangs around silently, 
watches and listens without contributing. It's what the busy folk, and
those with limited access call themselves 'round here - they're here,
they're rooting for the list, following all the reasoned debate and
argument, but you don't hear from them so often.

&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*
Bardic voices stuff - I've only read L&W and R&K. Like L&W a lot - it
has some scope, if a touch stereotypical at times, I don't think I 
even finished R&K, but in my head now, I'm mighty mixed up between 
Jordans travellers - The Leaf and the Way people, - and the ones in L&W.
There's another memory of a fantasy book with a strong romany/traveller
component - there's The Windsingers by Megan L-something, where Ki is 
befriended by travellers - maybe that's it.

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Well, we've done half of it - the dreaded move that is. The house is
empty, I'm in my new temporary place, and on Jan 3rd the stuff from the
house gets moved into the London home. I had to chose a small shelf of
books I thought I'd want to read sometime over the next 3 months - 
not easy, especially with husband and removal man waiting for you to
get on with it. So what Lackey have I got? Not a lot actually, I
re-read it all not that long ago, so don't feel any great need to have
them close at hand. I've got White Gryphon - only read it the once, and
that at great speed, so thought I'd give it another whirl, and Firerose,
also read just the once and at speed - altho' I've also kept Robin 
McKinley's Beauty - which I think I pefer.  I've kept GGK's Song for 
Arbonne - just about coming up re-read time on that, a couple of 
Pratchetts, some Le Carre, oh yes, and a non-fiction on the underworld
of 18th century London - a lot of whom lived in the part of London I 
consider home - thought it was time I stretched the brain cell.


Obmisty?? Nope, sorry. The brain is still recovering from a mild
dose of alcohol poisoning last night - so I am not at my most sparkling
best. I want a plate of cheesy, butter-laden mashed potatoes (real childhood
comfort stuff that!), milky drinking chocolate, and my bed, preferably 
for 10 or more hours. 

Ah me, all my own fault, you'd think I'd have learnt by now,

Esmeralda

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