MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1040 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) belated braid by Eleonora 2) Return of the Redcap! / demons / Icesong by Melanie Harris 3) Welcome/Companions outliving Chosen by Lady Windsong 4) Re: Hello!/MageGift in the Real World by Tensen 5) Producers Wonder If They Should Cancel Brvaes... by Korendil 6) peasants, demons and belief/Madonna/Ender/ by Phil Cartier 7) [Fwd: FW: Humour!: FYI: GoodTimes Email Virus FAQ (fwd)] by Melanie Harris 8) Companions speaking to anyone/My very own Priestess/welcome new person by mishi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 22:17:44 -0300 From: Eleonora To: Mercedes Lackey Subject: belated braid Message-ID: <32CB0CB7.535D-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy> ------------DDA23DA135E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I have been trying to post this braid since about 10 a.m. I hope it finally gets through Cennydd wrote: > If you want, I can provide my own personal system of magic-related vocabulary, but it > would not be part of any widely accepted brand of English. Hmmm.....sounds interesting. Could you please? > On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Aistes wrote: > > Rolan did outlive one of his chosen. His chosen died and he then chose > > Talia. Now with Talia I could still see him outliving her and not > > choosing anyone else. > Cannydd commented: > I have to say that I can't imagine this. Rolan is the Monarch's Own's > Companion. He is, as far as anyone knows, a true Guardian Spirit not a > human (herald) soul that has been reincarnated. While I am sure that he > would miss Talia, I have to assume that he would not let her death keep > him from doing his job. I agree wholeheartedly with Cen on this one. I don't see Rolan neglecting his duty because of "sentimental" reasons. Besides, we don't know of any MOC who has sort of retired, right? Aistes wrote: > > Rolan can speak with anyone who he wishes. It just takes more energy > > for his to do it. All the others can mindspeak with who they like > > Sayvil can and does with all the heralds even though they don't usually > > do that. > Cennydd asked: > Aistes, [snip] Can you cite any textual evidence > for these claims. I do not recall Sayvil bespeaking "all the other > heralds." And I don't remember anything that said whether it took more > energy for Rolan to bespeak anyone other than Talia. > Well, IIRC, in Winds of Fury, I believe, Kero tells some people when they are going to see one of Treyvan's groups at work (I am not even sure all of them are heralds at that, I think one of them is a Hawkbrother) that the mindvoice that has just startled them is Sayvil's who does not pretend she can't mindspeak anyone but her Chosen, like the rest all of them do (or words to that effect). I can't find the exact pasage (or the book either) but I know it's there. Regarding Rolan having to make a bigger effort, that I did find :). Storm Rising p.385. When Rolan brings the companions who are going to take th group to the Dorisha plains, he starts mindspeaking and then has Florian relay through Karal. :Rolan would like you to relay the rest, Karal:, Florian said, as he nudged Karal's shoulder with his nose. :He can mindspeak with anyone he wishes to, but it takes a lot of effort and this will be faster: Now, I wonder. Why didn't Rolan ever use his ability to mindspeak Talia, apart from the time of his Choosing her?. Was it because he relied solely on the strong wordless bond between them? On the subject of Companions speaking or not, Liha'irden wrote: > [snip] that herald dude in > by the sword's companion talked to kerowyn, too. just thought i'd add > that. Well, though certainly true, and though it ads to the evidence that Companions can midspeak whoever they choose to a certain extent, it is not exactly the same as 'fandes midspeaking Stef or Rolan mindspeaking several people at once, since Kero had a very strong gift of Mindspeech. Aistes wrote: > > But the best example was already given about Yfandes. > Cen commented: > Actually, I would say that the best example is Florian. He didn't just > say a sentence or two in extremis to his Chosen's lifebonded. He had a > very chatty, longterm friendship with Karal (who was not his Chose, nor > ever going to become so). I don't think Florian is such a good example. Hmmm...may I return to the predestination thingy here? I think that just as Yfandes was meant for Van, Florian's main raison d'etre was befriending Karal.And Cen, I don't think I have any real solid textevd. I am just speculating ;) At least I can't think of any other purpose to Florian's existence, and he could not bespeak just *anybody*, IIRC. He could just mindspeak Karal, and they found it easy to form a bond of sorts. Florian is instrumental in changing Karal's opinion of Companions, and also helps him immensely after Ulrich's death. Cennydd wrote: > Ooooo! Wonderful Idea time: Madonna should do the music > for the LHM and she could do the voice of Yfandes! Think of some of her > more recent stuff like "Rain" and "You'll See" before you dismiss this out > of hand (or even "Live to Tell" and "This Used to Be My Playground"), the > moody heart-tugging stuff. Well, I wouldn`t object ot Madonna singing any parts. I consider her a fine vocalist.But I *would* object to her playing the part of Selenay, for instance, since IMHO she doesn't look the part. The same is true, also IMHO about Madonna as Evita: she just doesn't look the part, and I am familiar with Eva Peron's real life appearances. From time to time there is a revival of those around here. Other than that I have heard better renditions of Don't cry for me Argentina, both in English and Spanish. Aistes wrote: > That is why I am not able to get the books. I live in Canada so it is very > hard to find the new books as soon as they come out. Well, have you ever tried teh Future Fantasy Website? It works wonders for me, although I *do* have to pay outrageous postage rates, since I live in South America. But in your case it should be all right. IIRC the URL is http://futfan.com. Love, Ele Priestess of Karma LotPW Dame of the OAM ------------DDA23DA135E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Well, I have been trying to post this braid since about 10 a.m. I hope it finally gets through
 
 Cennydd wrote:  > If you want, I   can provide my own personal system of magic-related vocabulary, but it > would not be part of any widely accepted brand of English.
 
Hmmm.....sounds interesting. Could you please?
 
 > On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Aistes wrote:  > > Rolan did outlive one of his chosen.  His chosen died and he then chose > > Talia.  Now with Talia I could still see him outliving her and not > > choosing anyone else. >   
 
Cannydd commented: > I have to say that I can't imagine this.  Rolan is the Monarch's Own's > Companion.  He is, as far as anyone knows, a true Guardian Spirit not a > human (herald) soul that has been reincarnated.  While I am sure that he > would miss Talia, I have to assume that he would not let her death keep > him from doing his job.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with Cen on this one. I don't see Rolan neglecting his duty because of "sentimental" reasons. Besides, we don't know of any MOC who has sort of retired, right?     
 
Aistes wrote: > > Rolan can speak with anyone who he wishes.  It just takes more energy > > for his to do it.  All the others can mindspeak with who they like > > Sayvil can and does with all the heralds even though they don't usually > > do that. >  Cennydd asked:  > Aistes, [snip]  Can you cite any textual evidence > for these claims.  I do not recall Sayvil bespeaking "all the other > heralds."  And I don't remember anything that said whether it took more > energy for Rolan to bespeak anyone other than Talia. >      
 
Well, IIRC, in Winds of Fury, I believe, Kero tells some people when they are going to see one of Treyvan's groups at work (I am not even sure all of them are heralds at that, I think one of them is a Hawkbrother) that the mindvoice that has just startled them is Sayvil's who does not pretend she can't mindspeak anyone but her Chosen, like the rest all of them do (or words to that effect). I can't find the exact pasage (or the book either) but I know it's there.     Regarding Rolan having to make a bigger effort, that I did find :). Storm Rising p.385.   When Rolan brings the companions who are going to take th group to the Dorisha plains, he starts mindspeaking and then has Florian relay through Karal.      :Rolan would like you to relay the rest, Karal:, Florian said, as he nudged Karal's shoulder with his nose. :He can mindspeak with anyone he wishes to, but it takes a lot of effort and this will be faster:     Now, I wonder. Why didn't Rolan ever use his ability to mindspeak Talia, apart from the time of his Choosing her?.  Was it because he relied solely on the strong wordless bond between them?     
 
On the subject of Companions speaking or not, Liha'irden wrote:  > [snip]  that herald dude in  > by the sword's companion talked to kerowyn, too. just thought i'd add  > that.
 
Well, though certainly true, and though it ads to the evidence that Companions can midspeak whoever they choose to a certain extent, it is not exactly the same as 'fandes midspeaking Stef or Rolan mindspeaking several people at once, since Kero had a very strong gift of Mindspeech.    
 
Aistes wrote:  
> > But the best example was already given about Yfandes. >   Cen commented: > Actually, I would say that the best example is Florian.  He didn't just > say a sentence or two in extremis to his Chosen's lifebonded.  He had a > very chatty, longterm friendship with Karal (who was not his Chose, nor > ever going to become so).     
 
I don't think Florian is such a good example. 
Hmmm...may I return to the predestination thingy here? I think that just as Yfandes was meant for Van, Florian's main raison d'etre was befriending Karal.And Cen, I don't think I have any real solid textevd. I am just speculating ;)  At least I can't think of any other purpose to Florian's existence, and he could not bespeak just *anybody*, IIRC. He could just mindspeak Karal, and they found it easy to form a bond of sorts. Florian is instrumental in changing Karal's opinion of Companions, and also helps him immensely after Ulrich's death.   
 
 
Cennydd wrote:  > Ooooo!  Wonderful Idea time: Madonna should do the music > for the LHM and she could do the voice of Yfandes!  Think of some of her > more recent stuff like "Rain" and "You'll See" before you dismiss this out > of hand (or even "Live to Tell" and "This Used to Be My Playground"), the > moody heart-tugging stuff.
 
Well, I wouldn`t object ot Madonna singing any parts. I consider her a fine vocalist.But I *would*  object to her playing the part of Selenay, for instance, since IMHO she doesn't look the part. The same is true, also IMHO about Madonna as Evita: she just doesn't look the part, and I am familiar with Eva Peron's real life appearances. From time to time there is a revival of those around here. Other than that I have heard better renditions of Don't cry for me Argentina, both in English and Spanish.      
 
Aistes wrote:  > That is why I am not able to get the books.  I live in Canada so it is very > hard to find the new books as soon as they come out.
 
Well, have you ever tried teh Future Fantasy Website? It works wonders for me, although I *do* have to pay outrageous postage rates, since I live in South America. But in your case it should be all right. IIRC the URL is http://futfan.com.      Love,     Ele  Priestess of Karma  LotPW  Dame of the OAM 
------------DDA23DA135E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:22:18 +1000 From: Melanie Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Return of the Redcap! / demons / Icesong Message-ID: <32CB29EA.2D7-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au> YEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *pant, pant* She's baaaaack... Hi, everybody! For those of you who've turned up since I took off for the holidays, I'm Mel the Redcap, one of the weirder resident loonies. Well, fairly weird - I mean, on a list that includes Mishi and Becky and - *ahem* I think I'll shut up now. Helllloooo to all the newbies! My sympathies to everyone who lost a member of their family near Christmas. ((((((((((hugs)))))))))) I know how you feel. *sigh* Nobody in my family actually *died* this Christmas, but two close family friends have cancer and I'd like to kill my sister for the way she's been acting towards our mother... anyway. Here's hoping 1997 brings us all happier times. (I was going to actually put in some Misty-related stuff, but I think everyone answered everything before I could post... lessee... oh yeah!) Kaatje: I'm really, really glad you aren't going blind!!!!! The idea of going blind gives me the heebies - for a while when I was younger, my optometrist thought I might just keep getting more and more short-sighted until I was legally blind because they wouldn't be able to compensate with glasses. Thankfully (*phew!*) that didn't happen - but I'm still the most short-sighted person I know. I'm saving up for an operation that should at least help a lot - $2,000 per eye, ouch, ouch, $150 just for the consultation to find out if it'll help me... *snigger* Mark the Tax Zombie and Danyel, I *love* your names! *snigger* Tax Zombie just 'cause it's funny, and Danyel... well, let's just say your name is close to Someone Else's name, and I still have giggle fits when I think about her... /me says no more. ObMisty, ObMisty... hmmm... (for any new people who haven't yet had that explained, an ObMisty is something Misty related you stick onto the end of a non-Misty post so that it's at least partly on-topic) ...hmmm... Oh yeah! Something somebody said (dontaskmeWHO, I stoopidly deleted that digest) gave me the idea that they think "Owlflight" (Misty's next one) is going to be a Darkover novel. Nope. Sorry. A while back, somebody kindly posted a publishers' blurb to the list, and it's about a Tayledras who has an owl for a bondbird. And just after I do that, I get the next digest, and find stuff I want to reply to... Aistes wrote: > >>>I mean they are kind of bigotted if they act that way. Condone use of > >>>magery for there priests but opress people who have it but don't want > >>to > >>>become a priest. > > > >>Umm...well, bigotted isn't exactly the right word, > > Well bigotted was the only name I could really think of that would truly be > a word. Becuase half of the time they condone the use of magery and the > other half they try and burn the gifted out. What does that turly mean > that they are very strange to say the least. Bigotted is a strong word for > what they did but it would still be failry accurate. I believe that they > are bigotted because they allow it then in other cases kill because the > people may have it. Nooo... bigoted would be "I don't like you because you're XXX" (black, white, mage-gifted, whatever). Basically, the sunpriests figured magic was OK when *they* were using it, but if anyone else had it then they were a threat to their power. They had a theocracy (government by priests) that was also a manaocracy (sp?) (government by magic). They had all the power, political and physical, and they wanted to keep it; so, everyone else who had magic was either recruited or disposed of. Also, when the sunpriests were doing that, they never admitted that some sunpriests had magic; they called it "miracles", and pretended it came from Vkandis, which meant that they could still tell everyone that magic was evil. > >These people are most prone to superstition and will > >believe most anything that a person from higher society tells them. > > Higher society doesn't always know. Tell me now if you lived back > then would you believe everything that you were told? If I'd been brought up my entire life being taught that the priests were wise, and powerful, and knew everything, then yes! Especially since they did know more than the peasants, and proved it - they were usually the only ones who could read, for example. > >Plus the fact that there actually were demons people disapeared from > >houses, and people who walked at noght also disapeared. I think that's > >enough to make an educated person nerrvy. > > You would think so. But how do they know that the priests didn't just > appear and take them, if the people asked uncomfortable questions wouldn't > that be easier to believe then demons. For one thing, some of the people had disappeared out of houses that had been locked and barred from the inside, or one person might disappear out of their room without anyone else in the house hearing anything; if you're brought up *knowing* that magic exists, you aren't going to think "gosh, someone broke in without making a sound or leaving any trace!", you're going to think "Evil magic! Demons!" For another thing, when the demons were hunting, you could *feel* them looking - at least, Kerowyn and Eldan could. At least some of the Karsites must have been able to feel them too. ----------------------- Icesong wrote: > Hello all! Hello yerself! > What do you suggest? Stay, read her books, and discuss, or leave, > read her books, and come back, or never come back again? and liha'irden replied: > don't be concerned that you haven't read enough books! i've read most > of them, but they usually talk about the two trilogies i haven't read > yet, so i'm a wee bit in the dark, too. my suggestion to you would be > to stay here- maybe lurk about a bit unless you have something to say- good idea! Stick around! (If you don't mind finding out stuff about books before you read them, that is...) I definitely don't think you should go forever!!!!! > and read the Storm-whatever books. work backwards from there. that > way you'll pretty much get what people are talking about for now, and > you can brush up on your valdemarian history from there. NOOOOOOOO!!!!! (*ahem!*) Sorry, Liha'irden, but... no! Please, Icesong, DON'T read the Storms books first! They depend so much on what has happened before, I think you'd find them *really* confusing - besides which, you'd find out lots of things that would stuff up the plots of the earlier books! Errr, my personal favourite reading order is Arrows, The Last Herald-Mage, Vows & Honour, By the Sword, Mage Winds, *then* Storms. The Gryphon series can get stuck in at any point - I usually read it before Storms. (Of course, this is just MHO.) Feel free to ask questions if you don't get what we mean sometimes - we do get a bit, er, confusing sometimes, but we won't bite if you're polite! Talk to you later, guys... Mel the Redcap Redcap of the Pink Wand Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold Goddess of Supernaturally Scary Socks (not digests!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:23:54 +0800 From: Lady Windsong To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Welcome/Companions outliving Chosen Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970102102335.3ff742d4-+AT+-singnet.com.sg> Heyla, all! Icesong asked: >What do you suggest? Stay, read her books, and discuss, or leave,, read her >books, and come back, or never come back again? Welcome to the list, Icesong, and all the other newbies I've missed greeting! To answer your question, do stay, and of course, read her books at the same time! And of course, if you choose to leave, you must come back! Right, guys? :) ObMisty ahead!! You have been duly warned. Ok, someone (sorry, can't remember who) was asking about Companions outliving their Chosen. Well, Rolan and the other MOCs before him are evidence, but they are special anyway, 'cos they're Groveborn. I've got something 'Fandes says that might help a little. This is from _Magic's Price_, DAW edition, Pg 233. She's talking about Kilchas and Rohan(Kilchas' Companion). :And I don't like it. There's no sign of anything wrong, but I don't like it. We don't---just fall over like that. Unless we die in battle or by accident, we're Called, and we generally have time to say good-bye to our friends before we go.: So my guess is that after his/her Chosen dies, the Companion no longer has a reason to hang around, so (s)he goes back to wherever. :) Except the MOC, of course, he has to Choose again. Are he the only Companion who Chooses again? Walk in Peace always, Lady Windsong. 'Your joy is your sorrow unmasked. And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.' Gibran, _The Prophet_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:40:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello!/MageGift in the Real World Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Dec 1996, Jaguar wrote: > Hi! Me again! Back from... well, not winter break but rather a > long series of technical difficulties. Hopefully I'll be around for a > while. Hello new people! blood.."> Ahem. Technical difficulties?!? Your system seems to physically disconnect itself from the net for hours on end, not just crash. > Summersong asked whether there was a RL term for mage gift... I > think there is.. psionics.. I read it in a comic somewhere.. I think they > define it as a sort of combination of telepathy and teke.. I define it as > energy working, and it works for me! Hrmm... our language really is > limited that way... oh well. Are you sure about that use of psionics in there?!? Psioncs is the psychokinesis, telekinese, telepathy, and all the other vaious assortment definintely placed in the field of parapsychology. I'm not sure if you can actually say that is the RL term for mage gift, since it is only the mind magic form from Misty's books. I don't believe that grounding, centering, shielding, sight, and others actually fit into the psionics classification either. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:31:45 -0500 From: Korendil To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Producers Wonder If They Should Cancel Brvaes... Message-ID: My favorite LotPw-- erm, favorite after Lady Lilac, of course;>, Lady Ele, wrote: >Kory (though I don't know why I bother with attribs when it is evident HE ;> >wrote it) expounded: Evident? Now, Ele...what's that supposed to mean?;> Em said: >Someone (I forget who, and can't find it in the digests _anywhere_) >mentioned thinking that they were too young for the list... Huh? We've got >ages from 13ish to ? (an unknown, but large, number that no one really cares >about). And I think that our resident elf started at 11 (am I right Kory?)... Naw..I started the list at..um..let's see...12? Yeah. Well..wait..I was 11 when I started--for like a week. And I started misty at 9 ...so, ye' can't be too young. Well, probably not;> > _Please_ use question marks if you are asking a question. >I know it seems like a stupid thing, but it has been driving me crazy! The >little voice in my head that reads things to me doesn't know how to say a >sentance that ends in a period, but is structured as a question Yeah..I agree on that one. I, too, sorta read out-loud in my head, if tht makes any sense, and it doesn't scan right. And I think the people this is directed to know who they are, no? OTOH, while I usually try to remember to captialize, when I rush, I forget...so here's a solid chocoalte sheep, to pay for any further annoyance, k? I'll try not to... Akiko said: >Okay, since I don't think I'll be coming back anytime this year , > >HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! ditto!;> And also, we all know what this is, right, folks? This year is the *ta-da* 10th anniversary of the publishing if Arrows of the Queen! Jag, who's finally back! said: >Summersong asked whether there was a RL term for mage gift... I >think there is.. psionics.. I read it in a comic somewhere.. I think they >define it as a sort of combination of telepathy and teke.. I define it as >energy working, and it works for me! Hrmm... our language really is >limited that way... oh well. Well, I always have thought of psionics as the parapsychological powers, like a synonym. And while it might work like a mix of telepathy and pyschokinesis, and act like the mage-gift does, doesn't mean it works through the same paths... Kawry said: >And,(pleading mode on) can I ask everyone a favor that you please sign >your e-mail? sorry, Kawry...changed email clients, and haven't transferred my sig o'er yet... Aistes said: >Though the only one that was ever mentioned was how >Talamir was poisoned and Rolan survived to choose Talia. Well,t hat's because the MOC (differening from my MoC by the use of a capital "O") always reChooses. He didn't "survive"...he just always does. I'm sure he's saddened by their deaths, but being a guardian spirit prolly gives him some protection from the grief--I think he might have a "stronger" soul... >That is why I am not able to get the books. I live in Canada so it is very >hard to find the new books as soon as they come out. I'd consider contacting Firebird--they usually get the books early, and ship internationally...they have an online catalogue...www.usa-net.com/~firebird, or something. check in altavista. Tygriss said: > The angst he felt over Beth's >and Kory's attraction very nearly ruined the book for me. Hopefully, StT >is better. The angst ruined it? I thought it was pretty realistic...especially since he was already sorta controlled by Ria...and StT isn't as good, imo. They toned down the three-some angle.. Lyseth (mind if I use a "y"? It just seems to come naturally...) said: >Yes, the Monarh's Own Companion outlives the Monarch's Own, usually, though I >can't see Rolan doing that... Oh, he'll do it. He's done it before, at least once, and probably more (I got the impression he was Keighvin's companion, too)... Liha said: >also, piers >anthony is a recommended author. Oh..no he isn't. Well, just avoid his Xanth trash, and you'll be fine...and at ALL COSTS, do *not* talk to men in white;> Aistes said: >I believe that they are >bigotted because they allow it then in other cases kill because the people >may have it. Well, that isn't what a bigot is--a bigot is someone who hates another race, ethnic group, sexual orientation, etc. >My point is that why would people believe it if >there really is no proof about it. There isn't any? gimme textevd;> Because I can refute: we have Ulrich, who was a demon-summoner, we have that presence Kero felt at night, in Karse, we have that other quote someone found--there WERE demons. >Keth didn't know about gates since she never used them in the books and >permanent gates there aren't really many around. How would Keth or for that >matter Tarma get hold of a permanent gate. She might of not used them, but that doesn't mean anything--she only reached Adept status--and in MPawn we learned that Adepts are the only ones capable of the spell--near the end of Obreakers, and by BTS, she was waaaay to old to want to risk it. And while there aren' many perma-gates, those that are around, are around the Plains. Tarma, actually, as a kal'enedral (sp?) has the best chance of getting a hold if one, since they were the ones who knew where the artifacts were. Still, I would rather think that Misty just didn't think about trvael time >Now with Talia I could still see him outliving her and not choosing >anyone else. I don't think so--he was probably just as closely attatched to Talamir, and Keighvin before him . He *has* to reChoose--he's the MOC. Elven said: >Oo! I am a huge fan of the Last Herald-Mage trilogy...could you direct >me to those short stories? (I love the characters) They're in Sword of Ice, a new anthology of Velgarth short storied edited by Misty. >(I've been desperately looking for any short >stories about the songs, etc, but Ihave amazingly bad luck, as usual!) Well, Lammas Night got an anthology prolly because it's a really entrancing song, with a cliffhanger--FFF, though, is homages to other authors and failed stuff by Misty. Mark said: >If you're looking for humorous fantasy then you should definately check >out the MYTH adventures Eeww...Asprin. No, Pterry's the king of humorous fantasy, I must say. If yer going for humorous fantasy, get anything by Terry Pratchett;> Kenny-the-Seducer-of-Innocent-Bots-and-not-so-Innocent-OoUL/L said: > If you want, I >can provide my own personal system of magic-related vocabulary, but it >would not be part of any widely accepted brand of English. OOoo! Tell us, tell us! /me dangles Godiva gift certificate just out of Ken's reach;> >Wonderful Idea time: Madonna should do the music >for the LHM and she could do the voice of Yfandes! Ken..ye' need help. And anyway, HA is doing it;> /me stands in awe of the Virtual Snowball;> Aistes said: >Maybe but in all likelihood they would die in a foursome. Dirk, and his >companion plus Talia and Rolan. I was just trying to say he might not. He >is very very old so maybe he would let someone else take over the job. Old? Aistes, MOC *don't age*. He can die, but not by elderliness. Dirk and Talia and Aphrodie will prolly die together, but not Rolan. He mourns, and goes on. > But Yfandes still spoke >with Stefen in the Winds novels. So you can hardly say a few sentences. >Since Stef in the winds books is a mind speaker to. He would have to be >able to speak with Yfandes because they all live in so close qaurters. Well, by that point, they're dead, you must recall. Stef was Lendel, and Lendel COULD mindspeak, in any case. But it doesn't count, post-mortem. Akiko said: >I didn't like the transition Ender went through from EG to CotM, >but fundamentally, I think it was just him getting older -- I didn't like >the way he was brooding, but I think that was because it was an old man >brooding instead of a little boy brooding. I doubt that he ever had a truly >happy moment, and I did actually cry for Ender when his time came. You know...with all this talk of not liking his brooding, and not having a happy moment, and cryinbg when he died--are we discussing Ender, or Vanyel?;> And Ender was getting kinda blah by the end of Xenocide... >And I'm not sure I have a really favorite character, but if I did, I think >it would be Jane. Okay. Correction;> Favorite male character: Pete in any and all incarnations. Faorite female character: Jane in any and all incarnations;> >Oh well; my favorite >character from Ender's Game was Petra Arkenian. MIne'd prolly be wosshisname, the little kid Ender taught, the one who, when they almost didn't even *try* to fight the final battle, said: "The enemy gate is *down*." And Ender, o' course. THought he brooded a bit much,a s he was wont to do. > And I swear there was something going on between her and Dink >Meeker. Yer prolly right! Icesong said: > >What do you suggest? Stay, read her books, and discuss, or leave,, read her >books, and come back, or never come back again? Well, it depends. If you don't mind spoilers, and being lost, stay. There will be, no doubt, *some* things you can discuss. And whay are you starting with Winds? Read Magic's Pawn, Promise, and Price . Alternatively, you can leave, and return when you've read more. I must warn, we discuss the Velgarth stuff the most, so you really should read more. Liha said: >and read the Storm-whatever books. work backwards from there. that >way you'll pretty much get what people are talking about for now, and >you can brush up on your valdemarian history from there. (my personal >favorites were the vows and honor books, which have nothing to do >with valdemar at all) wrong wrong wrong wrong *wrong*! Don't start with the newest--start with the oldest. If you don't get your bearings, you get waaay confuzzled. And while you might understand what we say, you won't understand a lot of the books, not to mention ruin some of the older. And V&H does have to do with Valdemar--if nothing else, the end of OBreakers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Cartier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: peasants, demons and belief/Madonna/Ender/ Message-ID: <199701020246.SAA24039-+AT+-iberia.it.earthlink.net> Aistes said: >They may have been uneducated but still how could they know without any >people really seeing them. I mean demons at night. Would you believe that >if you were told that? My point is that why would people believe it if >there really is no proof about it. Hmm... Look at the Middle Ages for proof. Plenty of people then believed in witches who could cast spells, demons that were out to steal their souls, elves, fairies, and magic. The _educated_ people thought that diseases were caused by inbalances of the four humours (melancholy, sanguine, choleric, and phlegmatic) and that your personality was influenced by them as well. No one had any proof of this that _we_ would buy... But they were sure that it was the truth. The Karsites don't have to make anywhere _near_ as big an intellectual leap of faith. Some people do go out at night, and are never seen again. People disappear from their beds... When the doors were locked against the demons. They know that something is out there. And it isn't friendly. Even modern, educated people can believe the silliest things. Like astrology can predict the future, or that if they wear a certain outfit they will have good luck. Heck, look at all the people who are _still_ passing around warnings for the nonexistant and impossible "Good Times" virus! People don't check their logic when they decide to believe in something, they take it on faith. And with a little bit of faith, anything seems possible. >On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Elven wrote: > >> Hmm...I believe Iheard something the other day about that...something >> like Madonna pranced up n said, "Listen, you can stop looking, 'cause >> I'm the best for this film and you should use ME". Yep. I read an interview with her in Vogue (I can't seem to break my fashion habit...) where she said the same thing basically. And I can't figure out why everyone has problems with Madonna playing Evita. If she can handle the music, great! If she can do a decent job with the role itself (which I have heard is not very true to life), even better! A coupla years ago, a friend tackled a song that I thought she could never mangage. Much too sexy and mature. Said friend shocked me cause she did it better than the recordings I had heard. After that, the invisible one started judging the performance, not the musician . Re: Ender Saga I gave up after Xenocide cause the quality seemed to be dropping. Is Children of the Mind really any good? I couldn't see how the story could continue after Xenocide's ending and really go anywhere, so I haven't been looking for it. Oh, and Summersong, I think that the Valdemaren New Year is Sovvan (which looks like Sowen in that Arial font that Windoze defaults to for everything...). I think Van said something about it in MPromise... But I dunno where Stephie hid LHM and I think she's asleep already anyway. No textevd. Sheeps to Cenny. Emily the invisible, who wants to see the Crucible! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 13:48:54 +1000 From: Melanie Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: [Fwd: FW: Humour!: FYI: GoodTimes Email Virus FAQ (fwd)] Message-ID: <32CB3026.7F4E-+AT+-mat.army.defence.gov.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4937407C4B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *snicker* I know, I'm one of the first people to groan when I get a Good Times virus warning... but somehow I don't think anyone will kill me for this... Mel the Redcap --------------4937407C4B18 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from ns.defence.gov.au by mat.army.defence.gov.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA29496; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:57:07 +1100 Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by ns.defence.gov.au (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id IAA15400 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:36:18 +1030 (CST) Received: from internet.casa.gov.au ([203.19.117.195]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05756 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:37:50 +1030 (CST) Received: by internet.casa.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BBF88D.87F5A300-+AT+-internet.casa.gov.au>; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:15:43 +1100 Message-ID: X-UIDL: 852156415.001 From: "HICKS, MELISSA" To: "'Alice'" , "'Andrew Brisbane'" , "'Craig Jones'" , "'Diane Leithhead'" , "'drogo'" , "'Geoffrey Brent'" To: "'Gunnric'" , "'Home Account'" , "'Ian Stanley-Eyles'" , "'Mad Mel'" , "'Matt Legge'" , "'Ric Loll'" To: "'Ulric'" Subject: FW: Humour!: FYI: GoodTimes Email Virus FAQ (fwd) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:18:30 +1100 Return-Receipt-To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0005 >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >GoodTimes Email Virus FAQ: > >Goodtimes will re-write your hard drive. Not only that, but it will >scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It will >recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream >goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards, >screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field >harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play. > >It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix >Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and leave its >socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will >put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide >your car keys when you are late for work. > >Goodtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you >nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and >shave off both your eyebrows while dating your girlfriend behind your >back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Discover card. > >It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead, such >is the power of Goodtimes, it reaches out beyond the grave to sully >those things we hold most dear. > >It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It >will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's >voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous >and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of >mauve. > >Goodtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat >up. It will make a batch of Methanphedime in your bathtub and then leave >bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase gradeschoolers >with your new snowblower. > >Listen to me. Goodtimes does not exist. > >It cannot do anything to you. But I can. I am sending this message to >everyone in the world. Tell your friends, tell your family. If anyone >else sends me another E-mail about this fake Goodtimes Virus, I will >turn hating them into a religion. I will do things to them that would >make a horsehead in your bed look like Easter Sunday brunch. > >--Michael Lilliquist m.lilliquist-+AT+-mail.utexas.edu > > > --------------4937407C4B18-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 22:44:46 -0500 From: mishi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Companions speaking to anyone/My very own Priestess/welcome new person Message-ID: <32CB2F2E.4AC7-+AT+-mail.ptdprolog.net> Okay this is the first post in a while that I've had Misty content in. And so far noone bet me to the answer Ele wrote> On the subject of Companions speaking or not, Liha'irden wrote: > [snip] that herald dude in > by the sword's companion talked to kerowyn, too. just thought i'd add > that. Well, though certainly true, and though it ads to the evidence that Companions can midspeak whoever they choose to a certain extent, it is not exactly the same as 'fandes midspeaking Stef or Rolan mindspeaking several people at once, since Kero had a very strong gift of Mindspeech. Okay I found textevd in Magic's Price about Companions ability to speak to anyone they chose. I't on page 298 of the paperback version of MPrice. 'He stared at Yfandes, stunned. She must be Mindspeaking me, but how? I don't have the gift- "I don't know,"he said aloud. "I-I ran away_" :I know that, boy,: she snort, mentally and physically. :Which was exactly what Van told you to do, if you'll exercise your damned memory and stop having a crises of conscience. And I can Bespeak anyone I chose to. it's one of the abilities Companions try not to use if there's any way around it." I think that the Companions don't choose to Speak to everyone because they do not wish their Heralds to know that they are reincarnated Heralds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lady Becky, The Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness and heard thy request to be my High Priestess. She has also heard those others that have said that thou would make a excellent High Priestess. Therefore, I name thee Lady Becky, High Priestess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness. In order to fulfill thy duties I give thee a scared springboard to POUNCE on unsupecting people. YIPPIE!! I got meself clergy!!! POUNCES. on Lady Becky so Cenny did I get me thees, thous, and thys straight. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HI Tasha welcome to the list. pulls out hers Springboard and POUNCES on the newbie. I welcome to the maddness, mayhem and fun of the list. Don't worry I'm not insane only nuts. Stay don't leave, it not a prerquesite to have read all of Mist's work before you got here. That's it for now Love, luck, and lollipops all! Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubliness Offical Welcoming Type Person in the Bower of the Ladies of the Pink Wand P.S. GO PENN STATE - I love football and my team is in the Fiesta Bowl ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1040 **********************************