MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1042 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Braid on lots o' stuff (with crystaline silk and brown and white hawk tail feathers *gryn*) by "Kerowynn k'Sheyna" 2) Re: male or female? by "Kerowynn k'Sheyna" 3) Re: Braid on lots o' stuff (with crystaline silk and brown and white hawk tai... by SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com 4) male or female/ Vahn-as-Companion/ Shadow W0lf by awand-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) 5) by Korendil 6) Re: male or female/ Vahn-as-Companion/ Shadow W0lf by Brian Bennett 7) Re: Shadow W0lf by "Kerowynn k'Sheyna" 8) Umm... Hello Everybody! by Morgause Eire 9) Re: Braid on lots o' stuff (with crystaline silk and brown and white hawk tail feathers *gryn*) by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 10) Re: by Chris & Sean Talbot 11) Kory's post/ ShadowWolf by awand-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) 12) Re: ShadowWolf's Name (a brief correction and endorsement) by Ken Hyde 13) Re: ShadowWolf's Name (a brief correction and endorsement) by Brian Bennett 14) Er...Authors and stuff by Liseth-+AT+-aol.com 15) Authors by David Maginnis 16) help by Lydia Hales ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 15:36:12 -0800 From: "Kerowynn k'Sheyna" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid on lots o' stuff (with crystaline silk and brown and white hawk tail feathers *gryn*) Message-ID: <32CC466B.CDF-+AT+-inreach.com> AHHH! I'm back!!! Wow 43 messages! Guess I should be a little relieved that not all 300+ of us write at one time, I'd never get through them all! Welcome to all the newbies (even though I'm sorta a newbie myself) :) Stay with us, don't leave!!! I get lost every once in a while and I have read the books ('cept the Arrows books), but it's been awhile since I've read them and I'm rereading the ones I have. This is a great place for all people who like Misty's writing :) I love it here! Korendil wrote: > >Mark said: > >If you're looking for humorous fantasy then you should definately > > > >check out the MYTH adventures >Eeww...Asprin. No, Pterry's the king of humorous fantasy, I must say. >If yer going for humorous fantasy, get anything by Terry Pratchett;> I can definately agree with this! Pratchet is hilarious, I love Lords and Ladies (Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax crack me up!)! Ken said: > If you want, I can provide my own personal system of magic-related > vocabulary, but it would not be part of any widely accepted brand of > English. Oooh yeah that would be great!!! BTW what was said about the name/title thingy?? Too many messages and my mind gets boggled and my tongue gets wrapped around my eye teeth so I can't see what I'm saying! AHHHH!! *gulp gulp gulp....." > Wonderful Idea time: Madonna should do the music for the LHM and she > could do the voice of Yfandes! WHAT!?!? No I can't agree with this, sorry. I used to like Madonna until I saw her concert in Nice, France (that was a few years ago) but I can never look or hear Madonna the way I used to anymore, she's "too much" for me to handle. You can only go so far with sexual acts on stage and she treated her fans like S*&^ too. She's definately not a Misty material girl. *leaps behind the virtual stable door to avoid the snowball* Mishi wrote: > I think that the Companions don't choose to Speak to everyone because > they do not wish their Heralds to know that they are reincarnated > Heralds. Why didn't Vanyel come back as a Companion? Was it because he gave everything he had to save Valdemar or because he was the Last Herald Mage? I think it would have been appropriate if he had come back to be Elspeth's companion (don't get me wrong I love Gwena) since she is the first Herlad-Mage since Vanyel. Or is it only Heralds that haven't been lifebonded that come back as Companions? I think I missed something :( Shadow Wolf wrote: > On another subject, since the name Shadow Wolf has not been > received very well I will be searching for another usename. If there > are any serious suggestions they will be appreciated and considered. What's wrong with Shadow Wolf?? My real naem is Waya Adisi (Cherokee for Running Wolf) I don't think you should change your name. Tygriss wrote: > Reminded me of Pini's elves playing taal in the _Blood of Ten > Chiefs_ books (can't remember which one). Umm Freefoot?? I have the book, somewhere, I'll find it soon :) I didn't think anyone else here read the ElfQuest books. DUH!! We're Fantasy freaks!*smyle* oh sorry if that offended anyone *eeks* Didja know they are making an ElfQuest movie due out this year?? I think it'll be pretty cool! It's on the ElfQuest homepage at http://www.elfquest.com THE ELVES ARE GOING HOLLYWOOD!! (No not Santa's you siwwy wabbit, trix are for kids!) Summersong wrote: > D-oh! I forgot! HAPPY 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE PUBLISHING OF ARROWS OF > THE QUEEN!!!!! Anyhoo, it's an occasion to celebrate! I second that! or third that :) WOOOHOOOOOOO!!!! > Sorry to you people who love Madonna -- I really don't like her. I > love that one song from A League of Their Own and "Like a Prayer", but > after I heard "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" a la Madonna, I just got > sick of her. "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" is the ONLY thing they advertise for Evita here! After hearing the original cast recording of the song, Madonna does butcher it, she doesn't put enough emotion into the song. It's like having The New Kids on The Block do "Prima Donna" in Phantom of the Opera (gee that WOULD be a site!). And yes, Madonna is a good actress and a fairly good singer but she's a pop artist! She doesn't know Broadway. I didn't even agree with Donnie Osmond playing Joseph in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Kerowynn k'Sheyna Wrote: > >I appreciate your concern. >:) But I tend to keep some things to > >myself rather than have other people try to comfort, I know it's an > >unhealthy way of dealing with emotions but as I said I'm not exactly > >"stable" like Kimberly thought I was ;) hehe. Kimberly wrote: > *wry grin* "stable" is relative. Freud said that religion was > institutionalized neurosis. I don't think anyone's perfecty stable. > Firstly, who are you going to tell all your troubles? Why is "telling > someone" better? Sometimes, you do everything better if you keep your > emotions to yourself. You write better, you understand things better, > and you can see things you might be closed off to otherwise. ::pauses > to think:: I don't think I've ever seen one of Misty's characters who > didn't have some variation of that streak. Does the pain give them > dimension? Hmm never thought of it that way, but I DID NOT SLEEP (OR FANTASIZE ABOUT) WITH MY MOTHER! Sorry, seems to me the Freud's answer to most problems had to do with fatasizing about or sleeping with your mother, disgusting! hmmm here's a question! Did Velgarth have anyone like Freud?? Yikes! Oh good grash garshessness, bad thought bad bad bad!!! Auntie Mel Worte: > Your happy, cheery (and cold-ridden) listmistress is back in her > office Welcome back!! Hope your holidays were great!! Sean Wrote: > I just had to speak up in defence of Madonna as Evita. I have the >cast recording and it is incredible. Did you hear the original cast recording for Evita?? Usually the first person I hear singing a song is the one I like most. If they do a really good job, which is why I can't stand to hear anyone else but Michael Crawford sing "Music of the Night". Granted some of the actors do a good job but that song IS Michael Crawford (guess the five autographs helped too hehe). /me tries to picture Coolio with a rendition of "Music of the Night" ACK!! Oooh more messages BRB! Kerowynn k'Sheyna Clan Woad also (hopefully) The Goddess of Irregular Behavior Who Holds the Ultimate Cure for Brain Freezes! *gulp gulp gulp..* ahhh *hic* oops! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 15:55:24 -0800 From: "Kerowynn k'Sheyna" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: male or female? Message-ID: <32CC4AEC.872-+AT+-inreach.com> David Maginnis wrote: > > Hi everyone, > Kimberly raised an interesting point.Are we male or female > souls?.I personally believe that we are all capable of being male or > female,take people born gender unspecific,it's a surgical operation > that deals with the problem.trannsexuals are examples of souls trapped > in bodies of the wrong gender.Maybe if people were more in touch with > the other half of their souls sexual discrimination might end? I think all souls are both male and female. If you were boy raised strictly like a girl and was secluded from all contact with males, the boy would act, think and feel like a girl and vice versa. But the certain lacking body parts wouldn't all of a sudden grow (or shrink) hee hee. I'm sick yes I don't know this! What can one gender do that the other can't?? (besides using the toilet a different way). ObMisty: Do you think there were "gender unspecific" babies born in Velgarth? Is there anything in the books that mention it?? Keorwynn k'Sheyna Clan Woad (wonders if she should put her wannabe title here, but doesn't know if she'll get flamed or not) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:44:28 -0500 From: SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid on lots o' stuff (with crystaline silk and brown and white hawk tai... Message-ID: <970102224427_910638020-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-02 18:43:50 EST, Kerowynn wrote: << Why didn't Vanyel come back as a Companion? >> Don't you think it was because he andStef and Yfandes were very busy in Forest of Sorrows guarding the northern border of Valdemar. S P O I L E R F R O M S T O R M B R E A K I N G Since at the end of SB they all were freed from that guardian post, perhaps in books to come we may see Van as a guardian. Obviously we will see Florian! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 23:14:22 -0500 From: awand-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: male or female/ Vahn-as-Companion/ Shadow W0lf Message-ID: Kerowynn wrote: >What can one gender do that the >other can't?? (besides using the toilet a different way). *uncertain look* MZB (since Misty's MZB's heir, Marion's a valid source, isn't she?) says in _Thendara House_ that their bodies are different, and that society expects different things of them, and also that in some ways they're not so very different at all. Jaelle says that men are driven at some level by a desire to possess each other. I don't think the latter's true, but OTOH, I've never been male either. I'm still fuzzy on what Nyara could have meant by that, but the question gave me a headache and I decided that 3 AM ramblings weren't worth it. ::smile:: >ObMisty: Do you think there were "gender unspecific" babies born in >Velgarth? Is there anything in the books that mention it?? Waarl was a neuter, but... anyone? >(wonders if she should put her wannabe title here, but doesn't know if >she'll get flamed or not) *g* I think if you tack on "soon-to-be-hopefully" to the beginning, no one should be having Kerowynn remains tomorrow. Present your bri-- I mean, tithe to Cen privately, and eventually we can have one of his gorgeous pieces of writing posted here in honor of a Naming. =) >Mishi wrote: >> I think that the Companions don't choose to Speak to everyone because >> they do not wish their Heralds to know that they are reincarnated >> Heralds. Or maybe they're just keeping people who want Companions to speak to them, away. *grin* You know how rabid these fans get ;D >Why didn't Vanyel come back as a Companion? He was the last Herald-Mage; after him, no one had any knowledge of magic and the border wasn't safe. He had to keep up the vrondi spell, and watch over Valdemar, as it's champion. >I think it would have been appropriate if he had come back to be >Elspeth's companion (don't get me wrong I love Gwena) since she is the >first Herald-Mage since Vanyel. No, I don't think Elspeth takes priority over the border. Why should he, when he can speak to her perfectly well where he is? >On another subject, since the name Shadow Wolf has not been received very >well I will be searching for another usename. If there are any serious >suggestions they will be appreciated and considered. ::bewildered look:: Not received well? *wondering what in stars she missed in her absence and frowning* Just out of curiousity, and if it's not prying, what gave you that impression? It's your name to change, of course, but I wasn't seeing anyone going "Nah. It's a lousy name. Bad idea. He should change it." or anything I'm ~real~ subtle about my hints, you can see *snort* ObMisty: does anyone think Misty grew another personality with _Firebird_? The tone's so... different. Sexist. Irritating. I wanted to clunk Ilya over the head by the time I was halfway through. I saw the trademark Misty touches, but geez, ::laughing look:: I think Larry wrote half of it. Hmmm. Guess that's it. Hugs, Kimberly P.S. BTW, does anyone know where Lady 'Reesa went? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 23:34:41 -0500 From: Korendil To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Message-ID: Em said: >I gave up after Xenocide cause the quality seemed to be dropping. Is >Children of the Mind really any good? I couldn't see how the story could >continue after Xenocide's ending and really go anywhere, so I haven't been >looking for it. Gave. Up. On. Ender?!!! No no no no no _no_! *how* could you leave off after that cliffhanger-type ending of Xenocide? I mean, sure, it ended, but you still have left to conclude: Jane's death, What Decolada Is, How To Save Everyone From The Lusitania Fleet (In 5 Easy Steps!;>), What Exactly *is* Jane?, Wamg-Mu and Peter, Miro and Young Val, Ender and Wosshername, Stopping The Fleet, etc. etc...CotM is good, if for no other reason than Peter is one helluva smart-ass;> Hilarious, Mel! For that nugget of humor, here's a boulder to nosh on...gooood Red-Cap;> And here's a Make-Your-Own-Gravel Kit for that battle journal;> Mish said: >I think that the Companions don't choose to Speak to everyone because >they do not wish their Heralds to know that they are reincarnated >Heralds. Naw. I think they don't b/c they don't want to give away their precious secrets, and don't want to interfere to much, and so Heralds don't rely on it... Mat nitpicked: >Actually Kory, the song is =ECArafel=EDs Lament=EE, not =ECThe Tree of= Swords and >Jewels=EE . Hah! And now I nitpick back--you quoted the wrong thing there! In that quote, I only say "the first song." So *there*:P >Oh, for some small information about the Karsite Fires, loook in the first >story in SoI, =ECSunlancer=EE, by Misty and Philip M. Austin. Yeah..reading that, I was thinking the same thing... Yes, folks, I got my hands on a copy of SoI, which raises my belief that the publishing order is: Firebird, B. Dalton, Everywhere Else;> I'm rather disappointed in the cover--just a close-up of Yfandes from Mprice, where she's going "Ooo! Some nice, fresh grass growing in the middle of a magic-hewn pass, which I can eat while Van feels gulity for using Enchanted Hair Tonic! *Gods* am I sick of that mash-meal I'm forced to eat on the road.." OK. I got a teensy bit out of control;> Anyway, a close-up of that, with different things from LHM pasted all over the place. Not too original. And Misty tithed to you, Dafied! She was so busy thinking of how her first ss was published in 1985, that she said the same year for AotQ!;> Oh, yes, just to make some people salivate, I....I...I...GOT A COPY OF S&S 3 OUT FROM MY LIBRARY! And I'm thinking of paying a fine and keeping it, too;> And I also got this huuuge hardcover OSC ss book out; the hardcover edition, which my library so wisely chose to get, has an extra treat--a grouping of early and novelized writings of his! The ss form of Ender's Game is slightly different... Mat chuckles as he says: > > Gotcha again Elf. Oh..not really...if you look, I wasn't comparing MMM and FFF, but "Lammas Night" and FFF;P Aikio said: >But in "Dragon in Distress" from S&S XII, Keth mentions something about >gating, or portals, as she terms it. Lemme look up that..brb..just great. Can't find it. But some innate sense says you're right... > I think LeAnn Rimes might be good, >or maybe Trisha Yearwood. Summersong, I'm gonna have to go with my base instict, and say...you're just, oh, a *tad* obsessed with LeAnn Rimes at the moment, so I'm not gonna trust a word you say--nor can I imagine the horrible thought of defiling Misty with...country! >BEAN! I LOVE THAT KID!!!!! Y'know, I really wanted to know what happened to >Bean after they attacked the Bugger planet. I know he went back to Earth, >but then what? Same goes for Petra, Dink, Hot Soup, Crazy Tom, Alai, and >Shen (I think I got them all). Yeah..I've wondered that too...especially for Bean, though. He was the most realized of the commanders under Ender, and, technically, the oldest;> They were all in their early teens, and by _Ender's Game_, he was, oh....18? 19?;> Technically. Since he's been in there since "Ender's Game." At least Card's going back and giving us some detail on what happened on earth prior to _Ender's Game_..he realized he needed the detail when working on...the screenplay! He made a cool 1 mil off the sale of Ender's game, too...and he got like a third of the company, which is considers filming some of his other books too-they bought the rights to all of them. And Card can actually do screenplays, prolly, so...this might be a *good* sci-fi movie!;> To babble on further, ye' know that in the ss form, the Battleroom was on Earth; Commander School on the space-station? And Bean was the only familiar name among the other Commanders. and Mazzer, or, in this form, Maezr, was just an old man. Not an old hero. Okay..I've rambled long enough;> Peony, the new newbie said: > I am so glad to be here and I am very glad to see what a great bunch you >guys are. Aw....thanks, Peony! See, guys? A certain someone *was* wrong about how mean and horrible and evil and bad the list is! I'm really glad to see more things like that lately...hmm..very strange..since that someone left...ach..KOr! Leave that corpse buried!;> Kimmie said: >Aren't Guardian Spirits just human souls who've been touched by >some other divine light? Nopers. They're like special guys, direct spirits, I'm not thinking very well;> Well..you kinda get the idea. Theya ren't ordinary Heralds, but brand-new spirits;> Textevd in...Winds? yeah. WoFury. Van or Yfandes or someone mentions it;> >And we know Tarma, who ~was~ human once, became a leshya'e Kalenedral, so >it may not be that Rolan's spirit was so very different, but that there >were more Rules. With Rolan and Talamir, it could well have been a case >where the Companion bond was very light, so Rolan could survive Talamir, >but we know that Talia was fully soul bonded to her Companion. Okay, you msut remember that, in that scene, there were no GBC. And in WoFury, some spirit says that Gwena is a new spirit, liable to make mistakes. In AotQ, in the (in?)famous Orietation Class, we learn: "...all Companions with a single exception are born right here at the Collegium. That exception is the Companion to the MoH...*that* Companion appears from the Grove just as the originals did. He is always a stallion, and he never seems to age. He always gives his name to his Herald; the others may or may not do so...If he is killed--and many have been--another appears from the Grove to take his place. If the MoH is still living, that is the Herald he Chooses; if not, he stays only long enough to be caparisoned and goes out to seek the next in line." whew. Anyway,while not exactly what I wanted, is the best I can do;> Actually, it really *isn't* what I want...well, the Concordance, which I *do* consider canon since Misty let her material be used, etc., says "He or she is Chosen by the Companion of the last Herald tooccupy that rank. Whent he MO dies, the COmpanion searches throughout the realm for a successor." So *there*;P >since the Monarch's Own strength tends to be from Empathy uh-uh. Talia is the first in a looooong time (dare I say since Rand's?) to have Empathy... Adrianne confuzzled me with: >Has anyone else had trouble getting anyone from AotQ to respond to >email? I've written twice to find out more about joining and had >absolutely no response! Uh...wha'? AotQ to respond to email? HTF does a novel respond to email? Joining a book? huh? Auntie Mel said: >Your happy, cheery (and cold-ridden) listmistress is back in her office WELCOME BACK!!!!! Elven said: >Uh oh! Did you skip the middle book of that series? >Ibelieve it was "Wheels of Fire". Well, that really isn't important in SERRA, is it? I mean, except with the Tannim 2... Kim said: > Kory, do you have a Knight's >Ring? huh? Kerowynn asked: >Why didn't Vanyel come back as a Companion? Uh...because he's gaurding the Forest of Sorrows from evil blood-path mages out to steal the mind-gifts of teens, and he deserves some happy, relaxing time away from work, and...well...who knows? Vohnyll the companion may be in our future;> Ya' know...RUsh's "TIme Stand Still" is this really *weird* mix of pop and rock...you have the soft synthesizers and drums of pop, and then the guitar and *real* drums, a la neil peart, and then a mix of em, which comes out really good--hey, wait..this isn't that song! WHich is this?! Hmmph. Well, the detailed description is "Manhattan Project"; "TIme Stand Still" is even more weird;> enough;> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 00:33:32 -0800 From: Brian Bennett To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: male or female/ Vahn-as-Companion/ Shadow W0lf Message-ID: <32CCC45C.2837-+AT+-erinet.com> On another subject, since the name Shadow Wolf has not been received very well I will be searching for another usename. > ::bewildered look:: Not received well? *wondering what in stars she missed > in her absence and frowning* Just out of curiousity, and if it's not > prying, what gave you that impression? Well, Mel and Cennydd thought that I should pick a name from one of Misty's books also they just didn't like the name ShadowWolf. I've already irritated Cennydd by not snipping and braiding when I first joined the list so I thought I shouldn't press my luck. I hope that answers everyone's questions about my name change. Brian Bennett formerly known as Shadow Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:27:20 -0800 From: "Kerowynn k'Sheyna" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shadow W0lf Message-ID: <32CCA6C8.556F-+AT+-inreach.com> Brian Bennett wrote: > Well, Mel and Cennydd thought that I should pick a name from one of > Misty's books also they just didn't like the name ShadowWolf. I've > already irritated Cennydd by not snipping and braiding when I first > joined the list so I thought I shouldn't press my luck. I hope that > answers everyone's questions about my name change. > > Brian Bennett formerly known as Shadow Wolf Huh? When I joined I was told that using a name from a Misty book wasn't a good idea because there would be too much confusion between the list members and the characters. But this is the only name I've ever used online except for Lady Julianna, but that one got stolen from me :( But now I'm completely lost on this name subject. AHHHH someone help!! What could possibly be wrong with ShadowWolf?? Oh well if they said that I guess it has to be changed then *scratches her head and walks to the library mumbling to herself in confusion* Kerowynn k'Sheyna Clan Woad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 21:46:23 -0800 From: Morgause Eire To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Umm... Hello Everybody! Message-ID: <32CDEEAF.46A8-+AT+-geocities.com> Hello! I'm Selene, but I feel like using the name "Morgause," I don't know why. I've been lurking for about three days and am having trouble keeping up with all the posts I'm getting! I haven't read many Misty books, and most of the ones I have are my friend's. (She gets them from her aunt.) I think the first of her books I read was Elvenbane, (though that was a collaboration) and the first book by only her was Bardic Voices I: The Lark and the Wren. Since I'm a newbie, I don't really understand some of what's going on, but I hope to :-) !! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 08:06:08 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid on lots o' stuff (with crystaline silk and brown and white hawk tail feathers *gryn*) Message-ID: <199701031404.AA155410241-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> Sometimes, you do everything better if you keep your >> emotions to yourself. You write better, you understand things better, > and you can see things you might be closed off to otherwise. ::pauses > to think:: I don't think I've ever seen one of Misty's characters who > didn't have some variation of that streak. Does the pain give them > dimension? I don't know about writing or understanding things better, but you do make a good point about Misty's characters. Talia, Dirk, Skif (after the war with Hardorn), etc. all keep thing to themselves, but I think we all do to some extent. I think the pain and the way the characters deal with it does make them more 'human' and appealing to us as readers. Sorry, seems to me the Freud's answer to most >problems had to do with fatasizing about or sleeping with your mother, >disgusting! hmmm here's a question! Did Velgarth have anyone like >Freud?? Yikes! Oh good grash garshessness, bad thought bad bad bad!!! > Frued's psychoanalytic theory revolves around (1) sex and (2) aggression. Not the most appelaing combination, especially because all of the sexual and aggressive tendencies begin when we're children. Anyway, I doubt Velgarth has (or really wants) anyone like Freud. But, Talia does one heck of a job as a 'therapist/counselor.' In AotQ, Talia comforts the friend of a Herald who recently died by letting him (the friend) just talk about the other and remember the good times. She made him work through it(in just one session!) Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:58:26 -0500 From: Chris & Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199701031558.KAA08934-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com> >> I think LeAnn Rimes might be good, >>or maybe Trisha Yearwood. Can I ask what this is about. I don't know why you are choosing musical artists to sing. Why did you choose these? >Summersong, I'm gonna have to go with my base instict, and say...you're >just, oh, a *tad* obsessed with LeAnn Rimes at the moment, so I'm not gonna >trust a word you say Leann Rimes is okay but I would much rather hear other people >--nor can I imagine the horrible thought of defiling >Misty with...country! Hey that was a low blow. What would you rather have country or heavy metal for Misty music. >Aw....thanks, Peony! See, guys? A certain someone *was* wrong about how >mean and horrible and evil and bad the list is! I'm really glad to see more >things like that lately...hmm..very strange..since that someone >left...ach..KOr! Leave that corpse buried!;> Who said we were mean and horrible and evil. Who would say that about our great list members? >uh-uh. Talia is the first in a looooong time (dare I say since Rand's?) to >have Empathy... I believe what Kris said is she was the only monarchs own to have mind healing. That isn't entirely true since the one in Elspeths time had it. The gifts aren't generally know so you can assume that some others must have had empathy to be MO. >Kerowynn asked: >>Why didn't Vanyel come back as a Companion? > >Uh...because he's gaurding the Forest of Sorrows from evil blood-path mages >out to steal the mind-gifts of teens, and he deserves some happy, relaxing >time away from work, and...well...who knows? Vohnyll the companion may be >in our future;> That was one reason. I believe he said because he was the very last herald mage that he was given another choice. Because his god couldn't watch over the border that far north that they needed a border gaurdian and he would be that choice. So that even with his death he would still protect Valdemar as I think he told Shavri he would. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:07:32 -0500 From: awand-+AT+-mail.idt.net (Kimberly) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Kory's post/ ShadowWolf Message-ID: Welcome to the list, Morgause :) I hope you'll enjoy it here, so feel free to hop on, we don't bite. Much, anyway. *grin* >Em said: >>I gave up after Xenocide cause the quality seemed to be dropping. Is >>Children of the Mind really any good? I couldn't see how the story could >>continue after Xenocide's ending and really go anywhere, so I haven't been >>looking for it. > > Gave. Up. On. Ender?!!! No no no no no _no_! *how* could you leave >off after that cliffhanger-type ending of Xenocide? huh? *feeling intelligent :)* >I mean, sure, it ended, >but you still have left to conclude: Jane's death, Isn't Jane just another soul tied into the ainsibles and computers? If they do something with that Void thingy, she should be all right... I hope.... ARGH! Blasted elf! Now you've got me in one of my incurably curious modes! *g* Not that that was too difficult, since I wanted to know what happened with Ender and Novinhha before, anyway. >Peony, the new newbie said: >> I am so glad to be here and I am very glad to see what a great bunch you >>guys are. > >Aw....thanks, Peony! See, guys? A certain someone *was* wrong about how >mean and horrible and evil and bad the list is! I'm really glad to see more >things like that lately...hmm..very strange..since that someone >left...ach..KOr! Leave that corpse buried!;> *achoo* *blank look* what? Kory, as a big favor for me, could you private mail me what on earth you're talking about? >Kimmie said: >>Aren't Guardian Spirits just human souls who've been touched by >>some other divine light? > >Nopers. They're like special guys, direct spirits, I'm not thinking very >well;> Well..you kinda get the idea. They aren't ordinary Heralds, but >brand-new spirits;> Textevd in...Winds? yeah. WoFury. Van or Yfandes or >someone mentions it;> *looks through her copy of WoFury resignedly* Shucks *looks up with a grin* Van does indeedy, you're right. Thank you. Does that include the MO Companion, BTW? It's just sort of... scary thinking of a completely new spirit guiding the MO. >>And we know Tarma, who ~was~ human once, became a leshya'e Kalenedral, so >>it may not be that Rolan's spirit was so very different, but that there >>were more Rules. With Rolan and Talamir, it could well have been a case >>where the Companion bond was very light, so Rolan could survive Talamir, >>but we know that Talia was fully soul bonded to her Companion. > >Okay, you must remember that, in that scene, there were no GBC. Drat. I ~definitely~ need to do some rereading. I guess that puts the question of whether the first Companions were new spirits or old souls, anyway. Maybe the Grove-born get the memories of their predecessors, without being reincarnated...? That would explain a few things, like Rolan's all-wise character in Arrows and, at the same time, some of his mistakes. Though Rolan ~could~ have left Talia and Chosen someone else. Instead, he was willing to drain himself to the point where he could have died, Dirk in tow. OTOH, she was rare in her abilities, and not exactly easy to replace. Sigh. "Elves. You can't live with them, can't live without them" Especially when they're right *goodnatured smile* >So *there*;P ::laugh:: I'll get you for that. :P >>since the Monarch's Own strength tends to be from Empathy > >uh-uh. Talia is the first in a looooong time (dare I say since Rand's?) to >have Empathy... ::blush:: Oops. Sorry, that was a typographical error. I meant "empathy" not "Empathy" *bows and tithes the absent Git of Tpyos* >Auntie Mel said: >>Your happy, cheery (and cold-ridden) listmistress is back in her office > >WELCOME BACK!!!!! WB ::smile:: Hope your cold gets better soon. *hug* >Kim said: >> Kory, do you have a Knight's Ring? > >huh? Poor reference to something Mac Lynn said in _When the Bough Breaks_ *thinking that there ~has~ to be an abbreviation for that but not seeing it on Stormwind's list* about "Korindel" {Bad spell checker! bad!} of Elfhame Misthold "in California" wearing his Knight's Ring "openly and constantly," even though he went about the human world most of the time. p 178 in the paperbak version. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ShadowWolf wrote: >Well, Mel and Cennydd thought that I should pick a name from one of >Misty's books also they just didn't like the name ShadowWolf. I've >already irritated Cennydd by not snipping and braiding when I first >joined the list so I thought I shouldn't press my luck. I hope that >answers everyone's questions about my name change. *frown* I don't think Cen would ever believe you were "pressing your luck" by keeping a name. Not snipping and braiding is different; that irritates the entire list, and in that case, he just voices a gentle reminder. If names were really something to irritate anyone, I would have been toast by now. At least a hundred times over. One for every one of my names ::laugh:: Mmmm. TTFN! Beatle juice, beatle juice, beatle sheep! Hugs, Kimi-chan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: ShadowWolf's Name (a brief correction and endorsement) Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Brian Bennett wrote: > Well, Mel and Cennydd thought that I should pick a name from one of > Misty's books also they just didn't like the name ShadowWolf. Brian, I don't remember saying anything about your name, good or bad. Actually, I have nothing agianst ShadowWolf as a name. In fact, I generally do *not* like names from Misty's books for list members (It seems somehow presumptuous to co-opt such a name for one's own personal use). Names in the same style, yes, but not from the actual books. So, ShadowWolf would be a cool use-name style of name without "claiming" a character's name. Cennydd, Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:35:16 -0800 From: Brian Bennett To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ShadowWolf's Name (a brief correction and endorsement) Message-ID: <32CD97B4.5BC7-+AT+-erinet.com> > I have nothing agianst ShadowWolf as a name. I'm sorry that I mispresented you. I got some private email about the name and thought it was from you. Maybe my memory is going. > In fact, I generally do *not* like names from Misty's books for list >members (It seems somehow presumptuous to co-opt such a name for one's >own personal use). Names in the same style, yes, but not from the actual >books. Yes, that is why I thought ShadowWolf would be a good name to use, because I used the Tayledras style to come up with the name in the first place. >So, ShadowWolf would be a cool use-name style of name without >"claiming" a character's name. Thank you for endorsing the name ShadowWolf, Cennydd. Now I'm wondering if I misrepresented Mel's position concerning my name as well? I apologize if I have done this. Please let me know how you feel about the name ShadowWolf, Mel or is it Auntie Mel. I don't want to be presumptuous. Brian Bennett aka ShadowWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:09:32 -0500 From: Liseth-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Er...Authors and stuff Message-ID: <970103160918_238222149-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> Someone mentioned that Peirs Anthony isn't on the recommended list, so I felt I had to put my two cents in. On the subject of Xanth, which I recall was highly unrecommended, the first trilogy (Anthony trilogy=3*3 or 9 books) is pretty good, the second mediocre, and I decided I wouldn't get any more after that and the rest of my family didn't seem to get them, either. Weird. But most of Anthony's stuff is of the same catagory: If you are in your early teens its pretty good, late teens its ok, over twenty, pretty bad (I wonder why my dad still reads them....). I'd only recommend the first three of Apprentice Adept, though I still think most of Incarnations of Immortality is better than the other stuff. One author I have to recommend enthusiastically is Anne McCaffrey. For those of you who really don't like sci-fi, there's always Pern, I'd start with the Harper Hall trilogy (Dragonsong, Dragonsinger, Dragondrums, don't quote me on the order), they go pretty quickly, and if you don't like them you won't like Pern. I seemed to like Dragonsdawn, so I must like sci-fi in my fantasy. They have gone down hill of late, and personnally I didn't much like All the Weyrs of Pern. If you are willing to try sci-fi, though, McCaffrey would be a very good author to try. She has one series with all the mind-magic of Valdemar but futuristic and proven. That starts with To Ride Pegasus and Pega sus in Flight, though those two are not my favorite. I'd start with The Rowan, as the first two do not matter where they go in the series. They're just background. Also there is the Crystal Singer Trilogy that I think is pretty good. The Ship Who Sang is the only non-collaberation in a series of collaborations, and it's the first one. The Ship Who Won, the most recent in that series is kinda fantasy, but my favorite is The Ship Who Searched (didn't Misty collaborate that one, must be why I like it so much...) Terry Pratchett: Yes! Start anywhere, just read them! Remember that the Disc World is flat and riding on the back of four elephants who in turn ride on the back of a giant turtle, though the gender of the turtle is still under investigation. And remember to read the footnotes. One author that I haven't seen mentioned is Jody Lynn Nye. Mythology 101 was great IMVHO, and I think she did Taylor's Ark and Medicine Show as well but those are sci-fi. My personal recommendation: Read Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, even if you don't like sci-fi, but try to find the uncut version which only came out a couple years ago: it's better uncut. Hello Morgause! Welcome to the club. I'm a newbie myself, if you would like me to forward the general lay of the land that Ele sent me, let me know. It answers a lot of questions. ShadowWolf: Keep the name, if you like it. Who are Mel and Cennydd to tell you what you should be called? ObMisty: Does anyone other then me want to know more about the founding of Valdemar? I mean, we get tantalizing tidbits in AotQ and SBreaking, but all they leave me with is hunger for more! ::Backs up to position under table in fear of how this post will be received:: Liseth Goddess Pretender of Running Away and Hiding Under Tables. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 22:06:37 +0000 From: David Maginnis To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Authors Message-ID: <32CD82ED.56A5-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> Hi everyone, Has anyone read Elizabeth Moon's 'Deed of Paksenarrion' trilogy?.I think it's one of the best series ever written.By the way anyone who sent me personal email in the last week,could you re-send it,I downloaded it and my computer crashed before I could read it! lol David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:12:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lydia Hales To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: help Message-ID: Hey, I'm trying to come up with a good Shin'i'in name. Anybody have some serious suggestions, and is willing to help, I'd be most thankful. obMisty Re: Kaled'a'in. I'm a bit confused here. The Kaled'a'in are the same group that Amberdrake and Skan led through the Gate, eventually ending up with the Haileigh, right? (Black Gryphon). In Winds of Change (p 438) Treyvan explains that the Kena Leshya'nay were led by Amberdrake and Skan had been "sent away to find a refuge, and didn't use the Gates to evacuate. Yet Amberdrake, Winterhart, and several others did. And Skan, Aubri, and Kechara escaped from Ma'ar's stronghold through a gate to Urtho's tower, and then through another Gate to meet up with Amberdrake's party. So, how did they meet with each other? It sounds like there were two different parties of the Kaled'a'in. Or conflicting stories, anybody have any ideas? Lydia psu07362-+AT+-odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1042 **********************************