MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1059 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RPG/Newbie Annette/ShadowLover/Truth Spell/pouncer/ by WinterRobin 2) Her Father's Eyes/the Pouncer???/Welcomes/ by SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com 3) manipulation/gate energy/Vows&Honour/Adpets/tolerance by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 4) re: 1st title!/Whooppee/Van's priest/welcome Tamarisk by Ailsa Reid 5) repeated names/fluff about mage lights/death/Adepts/Firesong/Sci by "Emily L Cartier" 6) Re: a different view of death by "Sera" 7) Re: Emma/Shadowlover by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 8) Heather: Order of Amber and Marigold by vrondi-+AT+-juno.com (Chrys A Dean) 9) Apologies for a short post/Re: names/Re: Adepts by "The Mad Russian Alchemist" 10) Re: traditional RPGs by email by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 11) No Misty content! by Sandra K Haas 12) Re: No Misty content! by Ken Hyde 13) Re: No Misty content! / truth spell by Aimee Dowd 14) New Deities/ sick kitties/ Companions and lies by rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) 15) "Tasha MacClellan" : Re: Deniz/ Emma/ by rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) 16) Re: Braid from the nether regions of hell -- the musical by Chris & Sean Talbot 17) long abscence, long braid by GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 03:02:22 -0800 From: WinterRobin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RPG/Newbie Annette/ShadowLover/Truth Spell/pouncer/ Message-ID: <32DB67BE.4636-+AT+-inreach.com> Annette wrote: > I just joined the list today. It was suggested I give some info about > myself so here goes: Welcome to the list Annette and Teresa!! You'll love it! And you are both right about Kero's companion and Vanyel's Aunt. :-) Lee wrote: > Emily, WinterRobin, I don't think you guys need to worry, all you did > was state your preferred way of thinking about Death. I enjoyed your > posts on the subject. Thanks Lee :-) I just feel I'm still walking on eggshells here and don't want to upset anyone :-) I don't like people being upset at me. > I thought Elspeth discovered in her researches that Truth Spell had > been brought to Valdemar by a contemporary of Vanyel's? Isn't this when Elspeth is in the library just before she starts packing for her journey with Skif?? *rummages through her box of books* Sorry don't have a big enough bookshelf yet. Okay WoFate middle of page 103 Elspeth is reading in the library says that "the chronicles were unclear. He (Vanyel) had summoned--something. Or rather, he had summoned _things_. Having called them, he did something to them or with them, somehow gave them the job of watching for mages and alerting Herald-Mages to their presence in Valdemar." This was all I could find unless there is something mentioned later on in the book but I don't remember any. Wait I just reread that, it was about the "web" but wasn't the truth spell tied into it or something. Tell me if I have totally flipped my lid, it's late and my brain isn't working well *suffering from lack of Pepsi waaaah* Tamarisk wrote: > And Meg...um...what exactly *is* the Pouncer?? tee hee you'll find out soon enough!! *says "and you thought Tigger was bad!" giggle* Hey it's one of the best parts about the list! Feel privilaged *gryn* Sinnigam wrote: > I just wondered if anyone knew of any shareware rpg's that > were top class and also if anyone wanted to teach me and play an rpg > by email?. I know there's a Highlander email RPG going on, but geez that'll take forever to get aroundto attacking!! But if you want some real RPG fun why not check out http://www.owo.com ?? There's an RPG coming up and it'll knock the socks off of Diablo and any D&D RPG!! Have you ever played any Ultima games??? It's not a requirement and it won't help if you did, but this online game is based in a land called Britannia, which is the land all (except Ultima 8) the Ultima games have based on. Check it out and see what you think :-) I'm a warrior mage for my Clan/guild. WinterRobin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 06:14:16 -0500 (EST) From: SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Her Father's Eyes/the Pouncer???/Welcomes/ Message-ID: <970114061415_945947820-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-01-13 20:14:09 EST, Nightdancer wrote: << In the Firebird catalog, there is one song that is called "Her Father's Eyes", which is what I thought a female version of "My Lady's Eyes" >> Nice try, no cigar. My lady's Eyes is an ode to the subject of the song and is complete drivel (as it's supposed to be). OTOH, "Her Father's Eyes" referrs to Selenay's regret that whenever she looked at Elspeth all she could see were the eyes of the man who tried to assasinate her and take her throne. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~EOM In a message dated 97-01-13 23:00:08 EST, Tamarisk wrote: << And Meg...um...what exactly *is* the Pouncer?? >> Oh just you wait, Sweetie, you'll find out. (giggle) But seriously, it's a n ice pounce, really it is. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~EOM Welcome to newbies Annette and Emma. Emma, do stick around and read, read, read. If nothing else, the conversation on this list should inspire you to frantically look for all the references all the others have been making. Aaahh how sweet it would be to be reading all those wonderful tales for the first time again....but I digress. I give to both of you the plush toy of your choice garanteed to warm your bed and your heart - especially when sad or lonesome. We're glad to have you join us! > > > Oh yes, and watch for the POUNCER! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~EOM Meg Assistant to God of new homes, specializing in >Neighborhood Welcoming committees. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 12:50:04 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: manipulation/gate energy/Vows&Honour/Adpets/tolerance Message-ID: <9701141150.AA07535-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Greetings, Lydia asked: > 1. In WoF, it is mentioned that Kero gave Elspeth a Clan token to identify > her when she got to the Plains? Why? If Elspeth were to go to Jendar(?), > then she wouldn't need a token. But her mission was to find mage(s), get > training(if needed), and then return to Valdemar. That's a fine question, that I have no answer for, but I thought you'd like an acknowledgement! My theory is that the Companions were more than happy with her going to the Tay-tiddy-doodahs - they'd butted in so much already that if they had *really* not wanted her to go, I think she'd have found herself with Quentin's ol' matey without another thought. So yes - I think it all a set up - push like hell for the undesired option, with a subtle nudge (Kero's token) towards the desired. *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# the Eternally Nourished Lee wrote: > In one of the first two Winds books (WChange, I think), Mornelithe > recalls, in one of his planning/gloating sessions, that he'd discovered > that in order to borrow energy for a Gate-spell, all it takes is a bond > *as deep as a lifebond*, not even necessarily a lovebond. There was some > implication that Normsly Falconsbreath could drain any of his mage > followers so long as he had enslaved them as he did Nyara & Starblade. Love the Normsly - can't you just hear his mother "Normsly, you git down here and eat yur breakfast NOW". Yeah, yeah, so it was a tythe to the Git really - he gets all the good tythes (see below) Anyhow, as the one who trawled WofFate for Kory's magic survey - here's my entry on Gating: The energy for a Gate comes from the Mage, or someone tied to him with a bond as deep as a life bond. A mage tied by a lifebond to another mage can feed his beloved with the energies needed to fuel a Gate spell. A bond as deep as a lifebond is one built between a mage and his victim, when he makes that victim an extension of himself. Falconsbane used all his sevants in such a way - they needed him more than they needed food, drink, sleep. *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Emma asked me whether I thought Vows and Honour duo was good - thought I'd go list wide in the response, 'cos opinions my vary (altho' mine are totally relieable!). I sort of enjoyed the first, altho' it's very obvious that chapter 1 (the short story from S&S3) is missing. I also disliked the demon bits. However, the second one I really like, and re-read it fairly regularly - Tarma in particular is developed as a character, Kero's dramatic declaration in BTS about "honouring the vow made by your grandfather" or somesuch is explained, you find out where the Idra of the "is Idra Idry" debate comes from, and a lot happens.So, read the first, but know that the second is tons better. Or so says all of me. *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Jerry - your Felonious Scrimshaw sounds like my kinda cat. Do his talents breed true? I'll have a kitten. Hubby and his sneezes can live in the garden! G'grief David - you're certainly exercising your powers these days - spotted a Friesong in my mail of yesterday - I type that so often I ususally always spot and correct it. Always makes me think of a lanky haired Adept, standing over a smoking frying pan of eggs, sausage, bacon and chips, complete with apron, fluffy slippers and cigarette hanging from the lower lip. (do I hear a faint echo of "Spam spam spam, loverly spaaam ......."? Nah, wrong list! *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Kory wrote: >Guys? Can we *please* tone down the one-liners, and long off-off-topic >stuff, and personal things? I'm seeing lots of really short things, and >things that don't fit in here, and even MORE things that I can only think >"WHy is the whole list seeing this?" C'mon Kory - you've been known to get somewhat verbose on non-Misty subjects in your time. Remember braids ain't compulsory. Quit pouncing so fast. *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Wow, haven't we all been restrained over the is Savil Sayvil question! To the newbie that asked, it's one that gets asked about once a month, and some of the more tetchy oldtimers can get a bit "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgggh, not again"ish about it. Don't you fret - and ask on - we keep wittering away about improving the FAQ, but I don't think anything's been done yet. (Yes, that includes nothing done by me). 'kay - I think I shall brave the sub-zero temperatures outside and go for a walk - the sun is shining out there, and I fancy sight of the sea. dooie, Esmeralda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:28:17 GMT From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: 1st title!/Whooppee/Van's priest/welcome Tamarisk Message-ID: <199701141328.NAA00920-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> I _think_ this is from SB so I'm putting in spoiler space (well, I haven't read it yet :> ) S P O I L E R S P A C E Meg said: On 12/28 Star said that Chris said: '>Nuff space. Here goes, and I even have textevd courtesy of Chris. >Page 361, Vanyel: "If I ever have the opportunity, remind me to tell >you of another young servant of Vkandis that I met, who proved to me >that not all of the folk who used Vkandis' Name to justify their actions >should be lumped together into a single category." >Now, can anyone tell me when this happened? We've thought through all >of the LHM series, and neither of us can think of it. Anyone? Just a thought, I can't remember this being anywhere in the LHM set either, but howabout between Promise and Price, when there's disputed lands between Valdemar and Karse, but not "official" war? Can't be certain, I've been in Keltia, Middle-Earth and World War II over Christmas. Ailsa the alien, beloved of Lemming the Fluffy ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | | | I've an allergy to Perrier, daylight, and responsibility | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:09:13 -0500 From: "Emily L Cartier" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: repeated names/fluff about mage lights/death/Adepts/Firesong/Sci Message-ID: <9701141413.AA24623-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu> Liseth said: >Someone (bad delete fingure) mentioned repetition in the names of the >Tayledras. Which were these? I remember some names that were close >(had half the name the same) but none that were exactly the same. What about Firesong? One of the Tayledras in LHM was named Firesong, and was a female scoutleader... And then of course there's the Adept of El's time. I don't remember any other Tayledras repeats, but I'm sure they're there . >*WinterRobin gives you a mage light that will keep things bright >(except when you're asleep) and warm for you at all times* <--- for >interrupting your school work *smyle* You silly thing! Come back here! Gotcha. Thankyou WinterRobin 'Robin said later: >Thanks Lee :-) I just feel I'm still walking on eggshells here and >don't want to upset anyone :-) I don't like people being upset at me. Me too! Oh, and for anyone wondering about my pastor, he's been off his chemo for a long time (like, since August) because it stopped working. No extreme measures. Actually, according to some of the priests I know, extreme measures like a respirator are against the Church's teachings, and you can say you don't want them without committing suicide. They say that it is wrong for a doctor to keep someone who doesn't want extreme measures on a respirator etc. (since the invisible one hasn't read the relevant encyclicals, she has no opinion the accuracy of the info) Alisa said: >Death should not be feared but seen as a part of life Yesyesyes! She continues: >While a lot of you freeze - we continue to swelter. Emily - do you >want a good engineering school to study in or work in? Mind you my >office isn't air conditioned and there is only so much clothing one >can remove without people either swooning with ecstacy or ducking for >cover! (gryn) Study . I'm just barely a second semester freshman. That office sounds lovely. I think I'll borrow Mary's big ugly hat and come visit. Sweltering has got to be better than turning blue. Silvermoon said: >If I remember everything correctly, Adepts are the only ones who >can tap into nodes. Hmmm...Now I'm not sure. Maybe Master's can. I think you were right the first time, and I think the textevd is in either BG or WoC. Naturally, my copies of those books are in PA, not here in OH. >But there is not age limit on being an adept. You might not be >*trained*, and then you would have adept potential. Ack. I think >I just contradicted myself. Sounds right to _me_. Example One: Elspeth. She had Adept Potential from the time her Gifts showed up, but it didn't do her a bit of good til she had help from someone who knew what to do with Mage-Gift . Re: the Redcap's ambiguous gentleman Hmm. Actually, that sounds more like Bel Thorne than Firesong... I'll have to think about it. The confuzzled Redcap continues: > hang on, I thought you were right the first time - >it *was* Scientology that got started by L. Ron Hubbard, wasn't it? I thought so too. Dunno where I read it, so I don't trust the info, but I'm pretty sure he started it... Anyone have ideas about where to look for the critical information ? I do remember that Hubbard did write a book called _Dianetics_... It is clearly time to do some research! Emily the invisible, who is still cold and is now worrying about the horrible, terrible, evil, cold white stuff that falls from the sky... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:33:36 CST From: "Sera" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: a different view of death Message-ID: <26E141A136C-+AT+-email.rosary.edu> Annette > I also liked Misty's image of death. Death isn't something to be > feared. Neither should it be loved either. Might I suggest "On a Pale Horse > " > by Piers Anthony as another great book presenting death in a more positive > manner. I loved "If I Pay Thee Not In Gold" which he coauthored with Misty b > y > the way. I must agree that _On_A_Pale_Horse_ has an excellent view of death. It is not the typical "dark" image that most authors like using in their writing. Death is presented as a part of life and the "Grim Reaper" is actually a loving person...a little ironic, but also a new way of looking at the whole issue of death. In fact, I must admit that it was Piers Anthony that pulled me into SciFi/Fantasy and after reading _If_I_Pay_Thee_Not_In_Gold_ I got hooked on Misty. Sera * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Truly madam, you have a dizzying intellect." The Princess Bride "On the road of knowledge we all walk in life, Watch out for the speedbumps!" Me "Men are the infinite loops in the computer program of life." Kathy Becknek * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Liz Blaszak blaszael-+AT+-email.rosary.edu http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3772/ (708) 524-6997 X2076 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:32:43 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Emma/Shadowlover Message-ID: <199701141430.AA164342246-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> >pain (words from my late sister). It's just me rambling but this is just >how I think Misty got the term for Shadow-lover, death being dark (but >who's to say it's not light) hence the Shadow and >wanting/yearning/wishing for death over pain, lover. > IMHO, Misty was making a point that death wasn't dark. Like Teren said in the infamous Orientation scene, Heralds rarely die in their beds. Chances are, they're going to be die in a host of unpleasant ways. The concept of the Shadow-Lover in a way gives them something to look foreward to at the moment of death--that there's a caring spirit on the other side to greet them as they enter the havens. To quote Andrew Lloyd Weber, the Shadow-Lover "takes the hurt out of the pain." Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:32:57 est From: vrondi-+AT+-juno.com (Chrys A Dean) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heather: Order of Amber and Marigold Message-ID: <19970114.100224.8303.0.vrondi-+AT+-juno.com> Heather: I petittion thee for membership to the Order of Amber and Marigold. For membership fee I present a lifetime supply of jars of Vanyel's "Marigold" cream. Every jar has his beautific likeness embossed upon the lid. (bows, her Irish cloak flowing forward. And at a gesture enamelled brooches appear upon the cloaks/tunics of all members of the Order of Amber and Marigold.) -Vrondi (The Order of Amber and Marigold) "Here he comes across the lake. He's comin' for his birthday cake. Sing 'Happy Birthday, Dragon Don,' And watch him blow the candles. . . on." -Shel Silverstein(Falling Up) http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/book ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:20:02 -0600 From: "The Mad Russian Alchemist" To: Subject: Apologies for a short post/Re: names/Re: Adepts Message-ID: <199701141531.JAA10107-+AT+-orion.polaristel.net> Sorry this is a short one, but I'd like to clear this up. &*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& Subject: names >> Liseth wrote: > >Oh, this one will work. Does it strike anyone else that Misty was being > >uncharacteristically repetitive with names when she wrote BV? Nightdancer wrote: >was, of course, Van's mother's (what was her name?) favorite song. > That is true to (her name started with a T). Her name is Tressa. &*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*& Subject: Adepts Firemist said: ><< Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't adepts the only ones that can > tap into nodes? or can masters? Lady Silvermoon said: > If I remember everything correctly, Adepts are the only ones who can >tap in to nodes. Hmmm...Now I'm not sure. Maybe Master's can. Ack. >Anyone have textevd? Unfortunately, I don't have any texved handy (books at home, me at work). I believe it was in WChange. Darkwind was explaining to Elspeth that Masters can use the ley lines and Adepts can handle the nodes. Journeymen can use some of the small ley lines. Everyone else must draw their strength from within themselves. Hope this helps! Wind to thy Wings Mistweaver ----- ___vvz /( Aleksandra Drakonovna <__,` Z / ( The Mad Russian Alchemist Art by `~~~)) Z) ( tbovee-+AT+-means.net Cerulean / ( 7 ( aka Mistweaver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:09:22 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: traditional RPGs by email Message-ID: <9701141609.AA09709-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> Yes, they can be done - but they work better as a mainly one-on-one mostly strategic version - like (for example) commanding a city guard, where it's more setting general strategies and reacting to reports, rather than smallscale tactical encounters with lots of decisions; combats would have to be done by DM rolling (or by getting lists of rolls in advance), and players deciding strategies in advance - sort of "You meet - what do you want to do?" "try to persuade them to do X; if they start a fight do Y; if it looks as though they're winning do Z; if we win do A", or "Explore the area looking for A; check all rooms as we go past; head towards B if there's a choice; do C when examining doors; watch out for D". The mostly one-on-one bit avoids lengthy player consultation, which would slow things down. It can work fairly well, especially if the DM knows how the players usually react to situations. ObMisty: this is probably similar to the way Valdemar usually runs - there doesn't seem to be much use made of really long distance mindspeech; a lot of the time things must depend on reports from regular patrols, although the web probably makes sure there's a herald around when needed... -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ www.selune.demon.co.uk (soon) \__/ ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:12:33 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra K Haas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: No Misty content! Message-ID: I need some advice....we have two sick kitties right now and they are both on medicine. One is a little pill and the other is drops. They both hate the stuff. Any tricks to getting the stuff down without being bitten and clawed?? --one had her little neck stuck under the garage door!! Boy, did my husband feel bad! The other one got in a cat fight and the wound absessed (sp?) Just for sympathies sake, this all happened last weekend, right after I found out the dean I used to work for was in the plane that crashed outside of Detroit Thursday night. Hasn't been a good couple of days :( Thanks much! Sandy ( I am honoring myself lately a lot with the clenched teeth of stress thing!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: No Misty content! Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Sandra K Haas wrote: > I need some advice....we have two sick kitties right now and they are both > on medicine. One is a little pill and the other is drops. They both hate > the stuff. Any tricks to getting the stuff down without being bitten and > clawed?? Sandra, if you are really having squirmle troubles (with attendant shredding by kitty claws), you might want to try wrapping the cats. This is done by taking a nice sturdy cloth (such as a sheet or quilt) and wrapping the cat tightly (but not *too* tightly) in it, with just the head protruding. It doesn't take more than a few seconds extra and it will make handling an excited cat infinitely easier. As for the biting business. The best way to get a cat to open its mouth is to put your palm against the top-and-back of their head and insert your thumb and third finger into the back corners of its mouth. Don't exert much pressure (it isn't necessary) but use your fingers to lever the cat's mouth open and use your hand to hold its head steady. You can then give it its pills or drops. I would recommend using one of those little "pickle grabber" thingies (or better yet a 'screw grabber" like those used by computer repairmen) so that you can get the pill placed on the back of the cats tongue. Otherwise, just use really good aim and drop it back. Immediately close the cats mouth and hold it closed for a second, until they swallow. Whatever you do, don't use a finger or something to "push" the pill into place or get it started, as this will only traumatize your kitty. Anyway, that is the best advise I can give (can you tell that I have had cats for my entire life?). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 12:56:31 EST From: Aimee Dowd To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK Subject: Re: No Misty content! / truth spell Message-ID: <970114.131459.EST.AIMEDOWD-+AT+-UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Ack! Sandy, you definately have my sympathies. I hope things start going better for you soon. Sorry, I don't have any advice on how to get cats to take medicine -- I've never had a cat, only a dog. It was bad enough trying to get my dog to take pills (it was a two person operation -- one to hold her down and pry her jaws open, one to stuff the pill down her throat. All three of us were thrilled when she could finally stop taking the nasty things! I didn't like torturing my dog, even for her own good.); I can only imagine what it must be like to try to medicate a cat! *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On the subject of who invented the truth spell: in AotQ, pg. 277, when Ylsa is teaching Talia's class the truth spell, she says, "Legend says this was discovered by a contemporary of Herald Vanyel, just before the incursions of the Dark Servants." So it probably wasn't Vanyel who invented the spell. Of course, we'll never know for sure -- legends aren't necessarily accurate! --Aimee +=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Aimee Dowd * Outside of a dog, a book The University of Georgia* is man's best friend. Inside Department of English * of a dog, it's too dark to read. aimedowd-+AT+-uga.cc.uga.edu * -Groucho Marx *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:28:46 EST From: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: New Deities/ sick kitties/ Companions and lies Message-ID: <19970114.142912.9646.1.rozanm-+AT+-juno.com> New Deities: Fireheart, I think I was deified while you were away. I am the Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods, so elevated by Cennydd's hand. (Thess? are you still alive?) ******************* Sick kitties: just a quick reminder : you can tell when your kitty swallows because they always like their lips. A vet gave me instrustions on how to give my cat her pills and that's what he said. He had a different method from Cen for opening kitty's jaws, though. place hand on back of cat's neck. Put thumb along jaw, and place index and middle finger above the eyes. Ring finger and pinky along other jawline. gently pull head back until mouth drops open. place pill in back. Close mouth and hold shut until kitty licks lips. I had a hard time doing it because I was afraid I was going to hurt my cat, but I managed and she took the pills; everything turned out okay. ********************* ObMisty (for the newbies, that's 'obligatory misty reference') Companions and lying: I was wondering, can Companions lie to each other? Florian said he could lie about Karal's whereabouts; would he be evasive to other Companions as well? Would other Companions be bothered if they found out? /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist rozanm-+AT+-juno.com Lore-Mistress of the Cat People Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods LotPW and Bower Denizen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:44:52 EST From: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: "Tasha MacClellan" : Re: Deniz/ Emma/ Message-ID: <19970114.144517.9646.7.rozanm-+AT+-juno.com> Icesong asked me to forward this: --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Tasha MacClellan" To: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com Subject: Re: Deniz/ Emma/ rpg/ Death /welcome Date: 14 Jan 1997 17:01:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19970114170114.18419.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >etc. taking d-a-y-s to do an encounter, let >alone the adventure. 'sides, how can you know if they >aren't cheating on their die rolls? really, I want >to know who this is possible! TELL ME! >*drools at thought of being able to play with old >group scattered to the four corners. . .* M-kay, Firemist, if you really wanna know... I got off the list after I mysteriously was re-subscribed, but your e-mail caught my eye before I deleted them. If you'd post this to the list for me, I'd really appreciate it! Okay, I'm in another RPG (Highlander) and what we do is have challenges done on the Sci-Fi Channel's B-Board. The Watcher for the two immortals fighting then writes the account, and who wins is based upon the number of life-points the two have. A player gains life-points by being taught by various immortal teachers. Of course, the head of the RPG (who started the whole thing) is the one who analyzes the challenge and decides who wins, then that's passed to the Watcher, it gets posted in the Watcher archives, etc. etc. etc. Now, for our purposes, we can have mages and heralds and Hawkbrothers, whatever, and the bards can write the accounts down. Life-points can be gained by getting magic training or training that applies to your character, and we go on from there. It's not exactly like the card game Magic, but it's close. One problem, though. In Highlander, two people fight each other, and no one can interfere. How would the characters in our RPG fight? Have two warlords and when someone joins they joions whichever warlord they want? Hope this helps. Icesong --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- --------- End forwarded message ---------- /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist rozanm-+AT+-juno.com Lore-Mistress of the Cat People Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods LotPW and Bower Denizen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:15:40 -0500 From: Chris & Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid from the nether regions of hell -- the musical Message-ID: <199701142215.RAA01092-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com> >And please, do all you like to denounce that wanna-be country singer Billy >Ray Cyrus. But please don't say *all* modern country is watered-down >rendition of 80s pop. I don't think it's true, especially for really great >artists like LeAnn Rimes, Garth Brooks, Reba McEntire, Deanna Carter, and >the like, and especially don't say that about the older artists like Dolly >Parton, the late Patsy Cline, and Loretta Lynn. Of course, I won't defend >Vince Gill that same way unless he's doing bluegrass... Sorry to say this by Reba now sings the songs the exact way 80's pop does. So I am sorry to say that in there you must not have heard her new album. Which is mostly songs like I would have listened to growing up in the 80's. And recently Dolly Parton has been getting a more pop sound. I recently bought her newest greatest hits album and though her voice sounds old country her music does not. > >Yup, you got it! She is so marvelous .... And Hank Williams is awesome, >too! I love Patsy Cline, but some of HW and PC are so outdated -- what I >love about LeAnn is that she is a *modern* artist with a traditional sound. >*sigh* And she's only 14 -- younger than I am.... WEll that isn't always that good. Some of the stuff I have heard says that she has no real experience to base the love songs so some older country fans don't like her for that reason. I know when I first heard her I thought she sounded like she was older country but really she doesn't sound all that much like old county except in three songs. Blue, Hurt Me and the Cattle Song. > >ACK! PLEASE don't put Garth the Greatest with that Elvis-wannabe so close >together in an otherwise great sentence! But I can understand that -- I >mean, there's a Country accent, and there's everything else. I even Okay to tell you the truth for the last 4 years I have listened to modern country and you cannot tell me that people like Reba have a big accent and people like Wynona who doesn't have any or even Shania Twain. Most of the ones that I have listened to for the last 4 years have no accents or the ones they have are so hard to notice that it doesn't bother the people listening to them. Believe me I have gotten two friends into liking country music. My girlfriend who loves Dance music and wouldn't listen to anything but until I showed her how good some country artists are. I will admit that some of them have accents but you can see that in Folk music as well. If you are in Canada you know of the Rankin Family, and Barra Macneils you would know that they have worse accents then most country artists. I have some very good examples of happy country songs. What Made You Say that by Shania Twain. Reba McIntyre most of her songs aren't that sort of songs either. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:20:43 -0600 (CST) From: GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK Subject: long abscence, long braid Message-ID: <970114162043.2305671d-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu> The evil University Server has been plaguing me for the last two weeks until I finally couldn't get on at all! Now, this may end up a tremendous mess, so please bear with me....maybe we can get a new sever this year... ************* *********** First, Elven Lord, now Elven: Welcome, welcome, I'm the Goddess of Elves, so if you have any questions, you have a direct line! And I too liked your peom! Welcome to all the other newbies too! And Welcome back to all those who have returned from break! ************** Ele >Well, I have a small poll, to which I would appreciate private >replies so as not to burden the list. You can email me at >infodyn-+AT+-distrinet.com.uy (snip poll contents) Did you get any answers to your poll? I'd be interested, I have guesses on that matter. ************ le (speaking of the Green Mage) >Have you ever seen him show a terminally cute elfin warrior how to >use fetching for seduction? That one still has my heart fluttering. D I have not and I would love a copy if anyone has one, please, please, please, wi th elves on top? (weg) ************* Kimberly raised an interesting point.Are we male or female souls?. My personal belief on the matter is that we are definately male or female souls and we get m ale or female bodies, based on the gender of our souls. Jake: >Some disciplines believe the soul has more >than one part -- a masculine (animus) and a feminine (anima) part. There's >also a Japanese cartoon part (anime) but the existence of it in souls is >doubted. That, my beloved God of Humor nearly killed me, and the Top 10 List was exquisit ! I can just see, the big round eyes eyes peering from my soul now! Wondrous, j ust wounderous, oops, typing slip. sincerely, your faithful Evangelist of Low H umor. ************* I must jump in on the Elven topic (of course): Bevie asked: > Now it mentions in the second book that it was painful (but not >mortally so) for Kory to ride in the mostly plastic car. Now I could >assume that the limo was an elven steed, but Misty never mentioned >anything about Rhia (? the daughter) having one. Rhia never had an elvensteed for the same reason the limo isn't an elvensteed, O NLY Seelie court elves can have elvensteeds, they will only serve good people, t hey are easily as intelligent and opinionated as Companions and like companions won't choose to be with evil people. and then Icesong said: >The limo may or may not have been an elvensteed. If you'll recall, elves can >protect themselves from Cold Iron by silk. Whoever was elven in the limo >could have just been wearing silk, The limo was not an elvensteed, see above. Yes, they could have been wearing si lk or even simpler, being quite rich, they could have had done the interior in s ilk.But even if they didn't, the sheer level of padding in limos would help insu late. And as Emily said Keighvin and a couple of other elves could touch iron with very little insulating them, have gotten used to the uncomfortableness by r epeated exposure. Bevie: >IIRC the Savannah Elves said there was a big deal made when one was given >an E lven steed, but Rhia was never accepted by the elves in California because >she was partly human. and Icesong: >And I don't think that the Powers That Be in the elven >world would let a child, be it all elf or partially, go without the protection >of an elvensteed. Rhia was never accepted by the West Coast elves because she and her father were Unseelie. And Yes, getting an elven steed is a big deal. Elvensteeds are great friends and companions not Companions...they really don't give any added protec tion to an elf and they won't serve evil people....Of course, if Rhia had ever t urned completely good, she may have been accepted into the Seelie court, and the n she could have eventually gotten a 'steed. Hey, notice that the elvensteeds aren't tied to a grove? They must be High Cour t. {pj Bevie: >So,does being partially human give her some protection from the allergy >to iron? Yes, I'm sure it does give some protection. Bevie: >Why does Tannim have to use silk gloves to handle iron if he's a human mage? Does he? I don't remember that...textevd please? ************* HTH, I agree with you about Chance, really disapointing. And on the topic of S OI, in Blue Heart, the girl can't be the Companion Reincarnated, because the Com panion is Male...all the other reincarnations have kept the same gender...Of cou rse, if they could change sex when they returned, then Vanyel could come back as a female and quit feeling guilty all the time. (Yes, I know dangerous to menti on Vanyel in the same paragraph with HTH, but I think even she has said she was disappointed with his guilt on that subject) Mylee asked: >Someone said s/he liked Salamander but didn't have the right >flavor. Did they accidentally include a non-Velgarth story in here?" I wondered the same thing, at first I thought it was set in the same town as Cast of Corbies... ************ Firemist: >>David Tiffany, God of Typos (fear ym wtrah!) >oh holey won, I quack be-four the. pleaz leaf mi males >a loan! eye teethe, i tihet! i lie prostate wit whorer! Beautiful, just beautiful....tithe to the God of Humor accepted by his humble servent the Evangelist of Low Humor. ************** >O| Korendil, Acting Master of Dreams, and Ailurophile. |D >IL-+AT+-ICUBED.NET________/NAME THE MIME AND DIE\__________ Korendil, dear-heart, I know I have no jurisdiction over you in my function as Goddess of Elves, but perhaps I may offer a bit of advice...and a question... Now that Shadow-lover is back do you have to give up Acting Master of Dreams? And if you want Jake to acknowledge you again, maybe you should get rid of the last line of your sig. It kinda keeps rubbing salt in dont'cha think? Just a suggestion. ************* Cennyd: >Oh, and a final note. On Godhood. If you are looking for promotion to a >Godhead, please let me know. So far I have 2 requests, and I don't want to >post a Naming for just two people. (Dax replying for Carrach) He sent in a petition over a month ago and I resent to you, have you lost it? Should I send it again? He's really depressed over it, I told him you were just busy, not intentionally snubbing him. ************* The other Moon book concerning the world of Paksennarian is Liars Oath. *********** Hey! did anyone ever put together that list of List Dieties? If so could I get a copy? ********** Guess What? its the end! Let your spirits fly on wings of imagination, Dax the Eternal, Lady of the Unicorns and Pegasai Goddess of Elves, Evangelist of Low Humor "Marigolds and mistletoe have both been linked to the magnificent unicorn. Marigolds were gathered to cure snakebites and the mistletoe had medicinal uses, which are still considered to be effective today." - the Unicorn Alphabet by Marianna Mayer PS. again I apologize for the mess..... ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1059 **********************************