MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1066 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Kellan: Male or Female? by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 2) Re: retired heralds by "Katie P." 3) weary Heralds/Gala/denial/Goddess/seceding/Tolkien/Yfandes by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> 4) Star-Eyed/Grove Born/ Goddess by "Katie P." 5) Re: bondbird by Mrocro-+AT+-aol.com 6) Goddess Twins/ Astera by "Shy Kraytman" 7) Braid: weather/welcome/Tom Cruise/Jinx High/OAM/Why no by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) 8) Ultima/memories by Jan 9) Re: Heyla one and all! by Tensen 10) petition by Liseth-+AT+-aol.com 11) greetings all by northcat-+AT+-juno.com (carol a lena) 12) Goddess/Stef/Fire Rose by Aimee Dowd 13) Braiding/Goddess/Temperature/ Greetings by rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) 14) Re: reincarnation novels/ SB by rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) 15) Re: Braid: weather/welcome/Tom Cruise/Jinx High/OAM/Why no by Jennifer 16) Jinx High/Crying/Gala/Stef/Gods/SB by Megan Schreiber ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:16:24 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kellan: Male or Female? Message-ID: <429B7D6284-+AT+-future.judson.edu> "Not even Vanyel figured out they were one soul." Wait! Yes, he did...does someone have MPrice? He figures it out near the end of the book when Stefan is whispering what Tylendel is telling Vanyel in Vanyel's dream. He also realized that Starwind and Moondance knew as well and didn't tell him. Textevd someone, please? my books are not with me. Jacquelle "You broke your little ships." Lily to Picard Star Trek: First Contact ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 1997 20:52:23 -0000 From: "Katie P." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: retired heralds Message-ID: <19970119205223.3358.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Esmeralda wrote: Can a Herald retire, >without loosing the Companion? Or do the Companions stop their Heralds >from ever reaching that point? Could a Herald reject their Companion? In AofQ, Talia's friend who teaches her music, he is a retired Herald. He said that not many Heralds get to retire because of the hazards. I don't think that a Herald would want to reject his/her Companion because of the emptyness. Remember in MPawn, when Gala died, the emotional emptyness that Vanyel felt through the life-bond. >They must get Heralds who are shell shocked, traumatised - and it doesn't >look (from the examples I can think off) as if the Companion can do >a lot to ease that - I'm thinking of Skif in Arrows - fumpy, frightened of >heights and the dark (cured by Talia), and Skif again in Winds - bitter >and guilty about his response to the people who killed the family he cared >for, oh and Fanny-doodah, who got burnt, and Dirk - sinking into an abyss >of alcohol and remorse - he nearly died of pneumonia brought about by his >self neglect - while his Companion did nothing. They must crack sometimes. In MPromise, Ghost was a mindhealer. He had to be, his Chosen was a bit unstable. Talia may not be the first person to have the ability to help people who a mentaly unstable. In the first two LHM books, the QO was a mindhealer. Isn't that the same as a Empathic. Nightdancer Breeder of Bondbirds --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: weary Heralds/Gala/denial/Goddess/seceding/Tolkien/Yfandes Message-ID: Hi, Sunny & Rogue Phoenix! ****** Esme said, "But what about the weary Herald, the one sick to their soul with the stress of it all, the one who wants to stop the train and get off? [snip]" Surely they could retire to a desk job in the capital or something until they're ready to go out again... ****** Aimee said, "So Van, Stef, and 'Fandes got to hang out in the Forest of Sorrows after they died, right? What about Gala? [snip] it seems unfair to me that Van gets the company of his Companion, but 'Lendel/Stef is denied his.[snip]" Well, I think there was an interval between 'Lendel's death & Stef's birth; they could have had some kind of reconciliation in the afterlife, before 'Lendel decided he had to go back to be with Van. ****** Jan wrote, "[snip] Help, anyone? Is there a way I can get them to see they're up to there eyebrows in denial, or do you think they're for real?" Denial in itself is not a problem, assuming you're right. If they started to change their minds it could destabilize the relationship... I think for now there may be nothing you can do to "help", just keep being there for them as you would for any paired friends. And don't expect them to be like the average person; extraordinary people do exist. ****** 'hawk said, "Someone (I can't remember any names!!!) corrected me on writing that Van served the Goddess of Valdemar and asked me for evidence and I've finally found it!!! I was wrong (oh well. . . ) It's in chapter five of Winds of Fury, when Van formally introduces himself he says "I am still in the service of the Goddess and Valdemar" I guess I just substituted 'of' for 'and'. However, when he says 'the Goddess', he seems to mean a specific one.[snip]" and Cenny said, "[snip]I believe that this came up in a thread during the early summer, and there was much debate as to exactly which goddess he meant, the Star-Eyed or Astera or someone else. I don't think that it was ever completely resolved, though." Maybe "the Goddess" was short for "the Goddess that I serve." It would be...hm, kind of a sloppy way to express himself, but people get imprecise when they start talking about religion. It wouldn't have to imply that there is only one Goddess, but it could. --I've just decided that Misty doesn't want us to know if Velgarth has only two gods or many; that's why the evidence for the Theory of False Godly Noses and Hammers is ambiguous. Van's comment plays into that--as a ghost, he just might know the Truth, but he isn't telling. ****** Glithoniel said, "[snip] It really depends on whether they were planning to pick up and leave or if they wanted their corner of Valdemar ceded to them. Picking up and leaving, the Monarch has very little to say about. Declaring their own corner to be an independent country is something entirely different. They don't even have an official entity as a state, territory, or province do they? They are just a cultural region. Officially they are on their land by the grace of the Monarch of Valdemar. So, sucedeing just wouldn't be possible for them." Well, what right would the Monarch have to (in effect) take their land and homes away from them just because they're discontent with the government? --That was sort of a rhetorical question. Even if the Monarch or some Responsible Party wanted to carve a chunk off of the kingdom so that the Holderkin could go be free, the noble whose territory was getting reduced would be annoyed, and the other nobles would feel threatened and get mad at the Responsible Party. Actually, the Holderkin might have trouble fleeing, if there's a lot of them; the local leige-lord wouldn't want to lose so many useful economic producers. ****** Aistes said, "Misty has one of the best abilities to make you feel what she wishes while authors such as Tolkien didn't even stir that much of a respsonse in me. I mean during certain scenes in the Arrow Books I put it down because I thought they were so sad. The third book especially. Tolkien just doesn't have any ability to write in emotions. That is why I thought it was more juvenile.[snip]" Granted that Tolkien doesn't write well about emotions (I agree with you, but some people don't), that ought to be called a flaw in the writing, not an aspect that makes the story more juvenile. A bad "children's book" (whatever that is) is still a bad book. ****** Nightdancer asked if maybe Yfandes was Grobe Born and Moonsight replied, "I don't think yfandes is grove born.In Magics Pawn, Sayvil is stunned he is being Guarded by a Companion and when told who the Companion is asks 'are you saying Yfandes chose Vanyel? The only full-grown companion in the field that hasn't chosen for over ten years-and now she's chosen Vanyel?'.(p211-212 Magics Pawn, Mercedes Lackey,Penguin Books 1989). So you see a Grove Companion comes out of the Grove and finds their Heralds immediately.Yfandes had already been around 10 years." Theoretically the Companions could have messed with everyone's memory (as they did when Els got Chosen), but I think that if Misty had wanted to do that we would know for sure. It would have been a nice foreshadowing of Van's uniqueness, but I think the idea is that not all "special" Heralds would get a special Companion (we'd get into an inner cadre of chosen Chosen, and what's to stop us from somehow getting a chosen cadre of chosen Chosen, ad infinitum?) And I think that Yfandes was at least 20 when she Chose Van. wind to thy wings, the Eternally Nourished Lee -97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu-Knight of the OAM- www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/-Spreader of Humor-Self Appointed User of 5-point Vocabulary Words Such As "Panegyric"-"I collected my thoughts. Someday I hope to have them all." (Vlad Taltos) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 1997 23:39:11 -0000 From: "Katie P." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Star-Eyed/Grove Born/ Goddess Message-ID: <19970119233911.18479.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Lonehawk wrote: <> In one of the books, either in the MW or MS series, Her Avatars say that she has some power in Valdemar, but only to help her own. I can't really remember if that is what they said or not. Lydin wrote: <<>>'hawk wrote So what goddess would Van be serving?<< I always got the impression that Van meant the Star-Eyed.>> I don't think so. I thought that the religion that Van's family priest taught had some thing to do with a Lord and Lady. I think it is in MPawn. If someone can back me up, please do. In the Kellan case, I have not read SoI, so I don't know the story, but since LHM was written first, we should take that one. Vanyel, did know about Stefen being Tylendel at the end of MPrice. He knew because of the Dream. Remember about how he had the dream about 'Lendel riding 'Fandes for help and how he kept thinking that 'Lendel was dead. When Stefen rode away, Van thought on how Stefen had lifebonded with him and how the dream matched reality if you changed 'Lendel into Stefen. I also think that Gala didn't join them in Sorrows is because, why would the God(dess)s want to make 'Lendel/Stefen feel the pain of losing her. Someone wrote that to Stefen, 'Lendel's memories were distant, like another persons. With Gala there, 'Lendel's memories might come in full force, and the pain of losing her might be fresh since that is the most powerful feeling 'Lendel felt before he died. One last thing, will everyone who has a bondbird please write me with their bondbirds name, breed, age, and your name to me. I am making a list of bondbirds, and their owners, so if some one asked me (as several people alrealdy have) who has bondbirds and who does not, so their bondbirds know who to talk to. Nightdancer Breeder of Bondbirds P.S. How was this braid? --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mrocro-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: bondbird Message-ID: <970119185303_1691748974-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com> I would like to see if there is a bond bird that will bond with me. Khrysa songweaver ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 1997 00:12:54 -0000 From: "Shy Kraytman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Goddess Twins/ Astera Message-ID: <19970120001254.19023.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Michele wrote that the Goddess of Valdemar could be a twin of the Star -Eyed. That's a really neat idea! I never thought about it that way before! Megan said that she thought the Valdemarans referred to their goddess as Astera. Someone help me here because I don't have my books, but isn't Astera the Goddess that Kero refers to in By the Sword? And she didn't live in Valdemar then. HELP!!! I can't quite remember. She mentions that there were several deities and her father mainly worshiped someone associated with the harvest, but she wished she could worship the goddess associated with the horse. Am I off my rocker here? 'hawk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ****** Wind to thy wings, *********** Lonehawk&hotmail.com ***** *** Shy Kraytman ***** * ***** * ***** ***** ***** * * ***** ***** * ***** *** *********** ****** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:37:12 -0600 (CST) From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: weather/welcome/Tom Cruise/Jinx High/OAM/Why no Message-ID: <199701200037.SAA21541-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net> Aili wrote: >>>It is 37 degrees C here and whilst I was in Perth we hit 42 degrees C. The wet T shirt and fan works well at night.<<< It's so damned cold down here.... It *rained* last night, and it froze overnight, and I had my piano lesson this morning, and it was cold, I woke up before that, and it was cold, sleeping with socks on is uncomfy, and it's cold.... IT'S SO COLD DOWN HERE!!!!!! They cancelled school two days in a row during finals week.... Anyhoo, one good thing: I'm exempt from all of my finals because I had perfect attendance. Hee-hee.BUT IT'S STILL COLD!!!!! But I'm glad your sis now has 7 ML books -- is she converted yet??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anyhoo, I finally have time to read my Misty mail because of the school cancellations. WELCOME to all the newbies who popped in -- trigger happy me deleted y'alls posts (since I get them in digests), but welcome anyhow. I haven't read my Misty Mail since Jan. 12, and I'm kind of flogged down -- if that's a word, of course. Oh, yes, before I forget, whichever newbie liked the MStorms: oooh, you're missing out.... LAST HERALD-MAGE TRILOGY! GET IT! BEG, BORROW, OR STEAL IT, JUST READ IT!!!!! Trust me, it's the best damned trilogy ever written by the lady, and you won't regret reading it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Woodlark (see, I got it right!) wrote: >>>ShadowLover said: > On the purely superficial side, and being shaych myself, I have to >say TOM CRUISE IS A HOTTIE... But that's not what this is all about... Let quite a few generations agree with you there. this girl, however, doesn't see what all the fuss is about. yeah, he's cute, but not *that* cute. maybe in a uniform...<<< UNIFORM? WHAT KIND OF UNIFORM??? Tee-hee. Oh, I do love men in gold/red/blue and black... Of course, blue tank top can't hurt either.... Heraldic Whites couldn't hurt, come to think of it. But I want Tom's floppy hair back.... That buzz cut was awful. He's cute, but like Christian Slater, he could do with a little uniform (BTW, Christian Slater was in Trek VI as a communications officer on the Excelsior). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ About Heralds being sent to their deaths: I was re-reading the LHM trilogy (BIG surprise!), and, as y'all may already know, there *is* a reason nobody except the Heralds themselves can actually comprehend: They can't *not* do what they have the gift to do. They can't sit around and just watch when there are people around who need exactly the kind of help they can give. Sure, it's tough for us to comprehend; I don't think I'd be Chosen if I had the Gift(s), because I'd be too damned lazy and not self-sacrificing. I value my hide too much. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meagan, the mundane newbie wrote: >>>Personally, I didn't like Jinx High as much as the other two. Actually, let me rephrase that. I didn't like Jinx High very much at all. Burning Water and Children of the Night I absolutely loved, though.<<< I liked the general storyline of Jinx High -- it's the little things that kind of got to me. I don't know how you other teenagers talk (yes, I am one myself -- 15 and still in one piece), but Misty's dialogue from the high school kids just plain got on my nerves. I resent it when people see the nonexistent need to interject their speech with "like" and "y'know" every three seconds, when it's unnecessary to do so. I can't say I'm not guilty of that occasionally, but those are empty words, not really necessary, and *I* at least make a conscious effort to speak as English was meant to be spoken -- that even comes down to consciously placing my prepositions where they belong, to the best of my abilities. TINAF, but the way Misty "spoke" the JH people gave me the impression that they were shallow, to the utmost extreme. This is arrogant, I know, but I think the JH students are ditzy, down to their last strand of DNA, and I believe the same thing about people who talk and act the way the JH students do. I'm sorry if your best friend speaks in cloudy language, but that's just how I feel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anyhow, I was re-reading Magic's Pawn last night (today's the third day -- 1/2 way thru MPromise), and I discovered that the scene where Tylendel dies and Vanyel is in kind of a hurt-haze still makes me cry. I find myself wishing that Vanyel wouldn't hurt so much, that everything would be okay for him, but alas, 'tis not to be. So, I figured the least I could do is petition to be one of the Order of Amber and Marigold. So, here it is, no bribes, for it is a non-profit organization: I pledge to the two conditions set forth by the Grand Dame of the Order of Amber and Marigold, and I pledge to defend Herald-Mage Vanyel Ashkevron to the best and the fullest extent of my abilities. I don't know whether I ought to be a Dame or a Knight, but I'll decide, eventually. So all I have to do now is to see if my pledge was accepted. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Aistes wrote: >>>First thing even though Stefen and Lendel are the same soul they wouldn't have the same memories. Not even Vanyel figured out that they were one soul. Second of all it was Stefen who was with Vanyel in the forest. Stefen never had a chance to know about his companion bond in his previous life. The reason I say that is because they only talk about the lives they had before they went in to sorrows. That is the one where Stefen was the bard. So it seems that the person who makes gives them there memories back in the time did not want Stefen to realize who he once had been.<<< I think Van did figure out eventually -- I can't remember where, though. I think it was after the dream of 'Lendel talking to him, not to feel guilty about being with Stef. And I think Stef, too, realized it once he was in the Forest of Sorrows. So it still bothers me that Gala wasn't there with them. Maybe Misty overlooked it, because I don't recall an explanation of Gala not being there. And it's kind of sad that while it's implied that Gala did forgive Tylendel, he never knew about it. Anyhow the scene where Tylendel goes berserk & Gala suicides makes me cry, no matter how many times I've read the bloody trilogy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nightdancer wrote: >>>My friends at home and I were wondering, Is it possible that Yafandes is a >>>GB. After all, Van was the last herald-mage. And Elspeth got one, since she was the first of the herald-mages in a long time.<<< I got the feeling that while she was *special* she really wasn't Grove-born. IIRC, Van sometimes got the double-image of Yfandes as a wise-eyed woman, and from what I understand, that vision does not come with Grove-borns. I think the Companions could tell that Elspeth was going to be the first Herald-Mage since Vanyel, but I don't think there was any reason for them to know that Van would be the last in a long, long time -- therefore Vanyel didn't get a Grove-born, at least to my theory. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All right, I'm done!!!! Yippee! Anyhoo, I'd better sign off before I forget my name on the list.... (I'm Elvenstar on the STrek-L, by the way -- hey, it was just a matter of time!) Love & Logic, Summersong (Spiffy still in hibernation -- wake up, sleepy!) Hopefully soon-to-be member of the Order of Amber and Marigold Un-Lady of the Pink Wand **************************************** Akiko Hirao How many Borg does it take to change a lightbulb? LIGHTBULBS ARE IRRELEVANT. CHANGING THEM IS FUTILE. THE LIGHTBULBS WILL BE ASSIMILATED. **************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:03:49 -0500 From: Jan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Ultima/memories Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970120010349.0069f780-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com> Hey y'all! Does anyone out there like Ultima games? I seem to recall somebody mentioning them a while ago, but I deleted it. We ordered the beta test for Ultima Online and heard it was supposed to be shipped in Jan. We haven't gotten it yet, and I was wondering if anyone else has heard about it. If you haven't played them, they aresuper fun, and available as cd-rom classics for cheapo-cheapo. Aistes wrote >First thing even though Stefen and Lendel are the same soul they wouldn't >have the same memories. and > So it seems that the person who makes gives them there memories back >in the time did not want Stefen to realize who he once had been. Do you remember in AFlight when Talia cured the weatherwitch by giving her the gypsy child? I have always thought this was another example of someone returning because of compelling reason or unfinished business. p.261(paperback): "'It's hardly possible that he could be--hers? Is it?' Kris said hesitantly. 'Kris, I'm no priest!------All I can tell you is what I saw and felt. The little one is about the same age as hers would have been and they certainly seem to recognise each other----------'" Now IMHO this seems to show that sometimes returning ones may retain their memories, or maybe they have them as young children and they fade as they grow older. And not always are the ones they return to prevented from recognising them as the same soul. Okay, now for some questions. Lendl died when he was 17, and Stef met Van when he was 17. The baby died when he was about year old, and the gypsy child found his way to the weatherwitch when he was About that age . Do you think wwhen people return they are destined to find the person they returned to when they are the same age they were when they died-- sort of like taking up where you left off? Also, do think Stef asked to come back as an orphan, because of all the problems of being part of a large family(not realising that every situation comes with its own problems)? Or did the Godess choose for him? Same thing about Bard vs. herald. Jayenna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:31:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Heyla one and all! Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Rogue Phoenix wrote: > > Hello, fellow Heralds! ;) > > As a newbie to this list, I would like to take the time to say hello and > say it's good to see so many people that know of Misty. here in the US, > especially in NJ, I have known few who know of the books that I love so > much. It is good to see that so many people are intrigued by these books > and I have a forum to voice my opinions to. I hope I will be able to post > to the list soon and respond to some of these threads that are going > around...see ya soon > Oh come now, mustn't be looking far or hard enough before.. I think the main fan club isn't based out of NJ, isn't it?!? Not that I have any idea where the town was that is listed in its address, I don't think I ever heard of it before. But there are at least two of the active members of the list here is NJ.. Gyrfalcon and myself. So then, welcome aboard, we look forward to seeing more posts from you. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: Liseth-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: petition Message-ID: <970119215621_72706488-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> Summersong wrote: >>Anyhow, I was re-reading Magic's Pawn last night (today's the third day -- 1/2 way thru MPromise), and I discovered that the scene where Tylendel dies and Vanyel is in kind of a hurt-haze still makes me cry. I find myself wishing that Vanyel wouldn't hurt so much, that everything would be okay for him, but alas, 'tis not to be. So, I figured the least I could do is petition to be one of the Order of Amber and Marigold.<< Ya know, that scene (along with a couple others, including the end of MPawn and MPrice both) still makes me cry as well. I admit that there are quite a few scenes throughout Misty's books that still make me cry, but I do seem to relate to Van. Perhaps I should petition as well. Okay, here goes: "I, Liseth, do solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Vanyel Askevron, and defend him from all those who would claim he needed to be hit in the side of the head with heavy objects." Let's see, I'm not supposed to include a brib... er, tithe, am I? Can I try to hit Withen over the head with something heavy, though? He definately needed it at the beginning of MPawn. ------------********* i WAS CONSIDERING... oops. I was consisdering starting up a guild af typptoeists, if anyone thinkjs that would be okay. That is, with teh blesseng of David Tiffany, theh resident Git of Typtoes, it I could get it. If this would be a bad id ea please let me know. (BTW, some tof th3ese typtoes ARE actually genuing.) ------------******** This is so short, I should put an ObMisty on here... Here's one: I just managed to finish _The Fire Rose_ yeste... um, sorry, this morning. Well, I started it yesterday, I guess I read to much. My question is if Misty is planning to write more in that particular "universe." Well, this universe, that is. The characters intrigue me. Liseth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:39:59 EST From: northcat-+AT+-juno.com (carol a lena) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: northcat-+AT+-juno.com Subject: greetings all Message-ID: <19970119.224914.9022.0.northcat-+AT+-juno.com> I'm new to the list and I've finally decided to write. I haven't been reading Misty all that long, but I've managed to go through most of her works. I'm currently reading the Mage Storm series and I reread all of the previous books to prepare. I think I love the nonhuman inhabitants the best. I've esp. fallen in love with the bondbirds.(I want one!) Anyway,enough for now. I'm very pleased to have found this list and I've been enjoying it immensely. Wind to thy wings. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 22:58:58 EST From: Aimee Dowd To: Mercedes Lackey Discussion List Subject: Goddess/Stef/Fire Rose Message-ID: <970119.234843.EST.AIMEDOWD-+AT+-UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> 'hawk said, "isn't Astera the Goddess that Kero refers to in By The Sword? She mentions that there were several deities and her father mainly worshiped someone associated with the harvest, but she wished she could worship the goddess associated with the horse." Yes, that's right; but I think they were just different aspects of the same goddess. Ah, I found the reference: BTS, p. 16. "Wheat-crowned Agnetha was Rathgar's idea of the appropriate sort of deity for a lady to worship -- unlike wild, horse-taming Agnira, Kero's favorite. There was a shrine to Agnetha in the Keep chapel, though the other aspects of the LadyTrine were only represented by little bas-reliefs carved into the pedestal of Agnetha's statue." So, no, Astera is not one of Kero's goddesses in BTS. The three aspects of the "LadyTrine" are Agnetha, goddess of the harvest, Agnira, horse tamer, and Agnoma. I'm not sure what Agnoma is goddess of -- maybe weather? She's represented by a snowflake in the chapel to Agnetha, while Agnira is represented by hoofprints. I think Astera is another name of the Star-Eyed? Argh! All these "A" names! It's so confusing. +=*=+=*=+=*=+=*=+=*=+ Jayenna wrote: "Also, do you think Stef asked to come back as an orphan, because of all the problems of being part of a large family?" That's a really interesting point! I hadn't thought of it that way before. Umm...I don't know. I think you do get to choose what happens to you after you die -- whether you go on to the Havens, or get reincarnated, or become a Companion, or haunt Sorrows, or whatever. But, once you make that choice, do you get to choose again? Not just decide that you want to be reincarnated, but to choose which person you want to be reincarnated as? Are you assigned a person? Or is it just whoever is being born next? Exactly how does reincarnation work, anyway? I don't think Misty gives us enough textevd to be absolutely sure; what do y'all think? Anyway, if he was given a choice, I think 'Lendel might very well have asked to come back as an orphan to avoid family ties and the problems therein. Although it wasn't really his family's fault; it was more his inability to remain impartial and think logically where his family was concerned that got him in so much trouble. But, then again, who *can* think clearly when your emotions are so heavily engaged? +=*=+=*=+=*=+=*=+=*=+ Liseth said: "I just managed to finish _The Fire Rose_ . My question is if Misty is planning to write more in that particular 'universe.' Well, this universe, that is. The characters intrigue me." You know, I really liked _Fire Rose_. Beauty and the Beast was always my favorite fairy tale, and I love reading re-tellings of it. Unfortunately, I don't think she is planning on writing a sequel to it; it struck me as a "stand alone" book. However, she has written other books in our universe, although not the same universe as the one in _The Fire Rose_ -- the rules of magic are different. I'm referring to the Di Tregarde books, the Beth, Eric, and Kory books, and the SERRAted Edge books. In those books, there was no mention of the elemental system of magic that was developed in _Fire Rose_. -Aimee +=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* Aimee Dowd * Outside of a dog, a book The University of Georgia* is man's best friend. Inside Department of English * of a dog, it's too dark to read. aimedowd-+AT+-uga.cc.uga.edu * -Groucho Marx *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:12:26 EST From: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braiding/Goddess/Temperature/ Greetings Message-ID: <19970119.231316.3678.3.rozanm-+AT+-juno.com> Nightdancer, Breeder of Bondbirds said: >P.S. How was this braid? very good! :applause: BTW, braids aren't mandatory, so if your software doesn't allow for braiding, don't worry. We just try to braid as many subjects into larger posts as possible, since the list's hallowed server Vanyel likes 20 long posts better than 100 little posts. In other words, one-liners are short reactions are frowned upon because they build up, and high volumes of mail can make Vanyel crash. Then we'd all be listless until Auntie Mel fixes him. . . ************** on the Goddess note -- there's been discussion about whether or not the mysterious goddess Van refered to is the Star-eyed or some other goddess (maybe even her twin) Remeber in the Oath books, when Keth was thinking about Tarma and how it was odd that Tarma had made no move to convert her, even though Tarma was something of a priest. And she could, it would make tarma happy, and she felt that the Star-eyed was but another face of the Wind-something (born?) goddess she believed in. Maybe Misty intends for there to be only the Star-eyed and Vkandis - Lord and Lady. Which is why in Valdemr there is no one true way since all Goddesses are but one Goddess and all Gods but one God, no matter what name they are called by. Also, in the Storms, with the "let us dispense with the naming of Names, for evil done in the name of Good is still evil, and good done in any name is as done in My name" paraphrase of a dimly remembered passage involving Vkandis, Karal and the priesthood. . . (can anyone look up the quote? my book is out on loan to someone) that quote would seem to support that theory. Maybe there are four then Good Goddess/God and Evil Goddess/God, since Misty has gone out of her way to point out that evil done in Vkandis' name is not condoned by Vkandis. And anyone doing evil in the Star-eyed's name :giggle: had better hide lest she take insult and pay the slanderer a visit. ************* Akiko summersong spiffy woman said: >Ailsa wrote: >>It is 37 degrees C here and whilst I was in Perth we hit 42 >>degrees C. The wet T shirt and fan works well at night.<<< > It's so damned cold down here.... It *rained* last night, and it >froze overnight, and I had my piano lesson this morning, and it was cold, I >woke up before that, and it was cold, sleeping with socks on is uncomfy, >and it's cold.... IT'S SO COLD DOWN HERE!!!!!! er, Summersong. Have you any idea how hot 42 C is? 107.6 F (and no, that's not a radio statio with the M left off) Me, i'd rather be cold, at least you can crawl into bed w/ an electric blanket, hot tea, cat, SO, and a good book. When it's that hot, all you can do is sweat, sit on the a/c unit, and try to figure out how to spend time in the freezer w/o getting locked in. When I left Oklahoma and moved to the Netherlands, it was 50 C (120 F) in the sun in OK, and 20 C (68 F) in the sun in Holland. we were on the beach in jeans, wool sweaters and winter coats drinking coffee and staring at the topless locals playing merrily in the North Sea (water temp 10C/ 50F) BRRRRRR!!!!!! *********** Tensen greeted Rogue Phoenix thusly: >Clobbers the rogue with a musty tome as way of introduction Tensen, I know you are a demon, but wasn't that just a *bit* extreme??? Welcome, Rogue Phoenix. If you have any questions about this list, the LotPW, or the MageWars, feel free to email me and I will try to answer them. Rest assured, if I don't know the answers, I can refer you to someone who will oops! same goes for you too, Northcat. (juno members are taking over the list!) you should probably contact Nightdancer about bondbirds -- s/he(?) breeds them (virtual birds only) /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist rozanm-+AT+-juno.com Lore-Mistress of the Cat People Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods LotPW and Bower Denizen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:21:02 EST From: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reincarnation novels/ SB Message-ID: <19970119.232145.3678.6.rozanm-+AT+-juno.com> I'm not sure how reincarnation works in Misty's books, but Katherine Kerr explores that issue, as well as Fate in her Deverry series which I heartily recommend to all on the list. She also maintains her own home page, which can be found off of Tor's page (www.tor.com), although it isn't the Deverry page (btw, for you Charles de Lint fans, his home page can be reached from tor's pge as well. and he answers email!!!) SB SPOILER alert S P O I L E R S P A C E (tm) i'm bringing up an old question, so some of you (looks at Kory ) may want to skip this Now that Nodes and ley lines are disintegrated, does this mean every Mage is reduced to Journey-man status? Magic is spread out in a thin, uniform layer (like fog) instead of concentrated in ley lines and nodes. Can this 'fog' be tapped by Master/Adept class mages? will this 'fog' act like regular water and condensate back into ley-lines and Nodes? anyone have any thoughts on the idea /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ Firemist rozanm-+AT+-juno.com Lore-Mistress of the Cat People Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods LotPW and Bower Denizen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:25:59 -0600 From: Jennifer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: weather/welcome/Tom Cruise/Jinx High/OAM/Why no Message-ID: <199701200528.XAA23088-+AT+-audumla.students.wisc.edu> Hi everybody, I'm new around here too, but I'm a huge Lackey fan. (I've read almost everything) Thought I'd say hi first before responding...-Jen >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Woodlark (see, I got it right!) wrote: >>>>ShadowLover said: >> On the purely superficial side, and being shaych myself, I have to >>say TOM CRUISE IS A HOTTIE... But that's not what this is all about... Let > >quite a few generations agree with you there. this girl, however, doesn't see >what all the fuss is about. yeah, he's cute, but not *that* cute. maybe in a >uniform...<<< I agree. He never was really my type. But did you see Jerry Maguire? Ooooh... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Meagan, the mundane newbie wrote: >>>>Personally, I didn't like Jinx High as much as the other two. Actually, let >me rephrase that. I didn't like Jinx High very much at all. Burning Water >and Children of the Night I absolutely loved, though.<<< > I love the Diana Tregarde books, but Jinx High was my least favorite too. Mostly I just appreciate Misty's approach to Witchcraft. It's supernatural fantasy, but she does her best to move past the misconceptions about wicca. I also liked part of Di's philosophy... "If it isn't true or going to spread a little love around, don't do it, think it, or say it." I can deal with that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Anyhow, I was re-reading Magic's Pawn last night (today's the third day -- >1/2 way thru MPromise), and I discovered that the scene where Tylendel dies >and Vanyel is in kind of a hurt-haze still makes me cry. I find myself The first time I read those books, I cried so hard. I love Vanyel. Who wouldn't? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Aistes wrote: >>>>First thing even though Stefen and Lendel are the same soul they wouldn't >have the same memories. Not even Vanyel figured out that they were one >soul. Second of all it was Stefen who was with Vanyel in the forest. >Stefen never had a chance to know about his companion bond in his previous Miyako wrote: >I think Van did figure out eventually -- I can't remember where, though. I >think it was after the dream of 'Lendel talking to him, not to feel guilty >about being with Stef. And I think Stef, too, realized it once he was in >the Forest of Sorrows. So it still bothers me that Gala wasn't there with >them. Maybe Misty overlooked it, because I don't recall an explanation of Gala repudiated 'Lendel. She broke the bond irrevocably. I don't think she and Stefen/Lendel sholuld have been in the Forest together. The bond was gone. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One more point of interest- When heralds die, they generally get a "choice", right? One of the choices is to come back as a companion... I was reading the Mage Storms the other day, and someone (I don't remember who) slips and calls Kero's Companion Savil instead of Sayvil.. The reason I ask is to see if any other heralds from her previous books have appeared as Companions later on... Just a thought. Khala il rede he, Jen (Guardian and Herald) **************************************************************** Jennifer Dorn jldorn-+AT+-students.wisc.edu "'I'm not a drug salesman. I'm a writer.' ' What makes you think a writer isn't a drug salesman?' ' I'll accept that. Guilty as charged.' " -"Cat's Cradle" ; Kurt Vonnegut "I've been things and done places." -Mae West **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:05:54 -0700 From: Megan Schreiber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Jinx High/Crying/Gala/Stef/Gods/SB Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970120060554.006ac920-+AT+-cougarnet.byu.edu> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Meagan, the mundane newbie wrote: >>>>>Personally, I didn't like Jinx High as much as the other two. Actually, let >>me rephrase that. I didn't like Jinx High very much at all. Burning Water >>and Children of the Night I absolutely loved, though.<<< >> >I love the Diana Tregarde books, but Jinx High was my least favorite too. >Mostly I just appreciate Misty's approach to Witchcraft. It's supernatural >fantasy, but she does her best to move past the misconceptions about wicca. >I also liked part of Di's philosophy... "If it isn't true or going to spread >a little love around, don't do it, think it, or say it." I can deal with that. Yes...I liked that, too. Would be nice if more people lived by it, though. The whole witchcraft thing is why I liked Burning Water and Children of the Night so much. I read them several times over because they were so -fascinating-. Much like my reaction to the Valdemar books, though, I admit. I just like Misty's style of writing...it gets you wrapped up in the story so much that you don't want it to end, ever. That's probably my main problem with Storm Breaking...it never really got me -into the story-, if that makes sense. Those of you who've read it, do you agree/disagree? Somebody (I forget who, sorry...) mentioned that everyone in JH talked like fluff-headed ditzes...I don't know -anyone- who really talks like that, among my friends. I'm sure there were some in my school (I graduated in '96, not that long ago) who did, but they were definitely a minority. The teenagers in the book just seemed like stereotypical 'Rich Snobbish Airheaded Teens' to me. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>Anyhow, I was re-reading Magic's Pawn last night (today's the third day -- >>1/2 way thru MPromise), and I discovered that the scene where Tylendel dies >>and Vanyel is in kind of a hurt-haze still makes me cry. I find myself > >The first time I read those books, I cried so hard. I love Vanyel. Who wouldn't? First time? Heck, I cry -every- time I read 'em. And I've read 'em all several times over. P'raps I ought to join the Order of Amber and Marigold people... Vanyel's definitely one of my favorite characters ever. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Aistes wrote: >Gala repudiated 'Lendel. She broke the bond irrevocably. I don't think she >and Stefen/Lendel sholuld have been in the Forest together. The bond was gone. I think this thread has been pretty much beaten to death by now...but basically, I agree with that. Stefen is not 'Lendel, completely. If he were, I think Stefen probably would have been chosen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jayenna wrote: "Also, do you think Stef asked to come back as an orphan, because of all the problems of being part of a large family?" Perhaps, since his family was what caused all the problems in the first place. Also, there was a snippet on here about him coming back as a Bard. I think he would have chosen being a Bard over being a Herald because I don't think Vanyel could have accepted another lifebond with a Herald. Too much like 'Lendel. Stefen was enough unlike 'Lendel in appearance and background that Vanyel could accept him without it dredging up painful old memories. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Firemist wrote: "Also, in the Storms, with the "let us dispense with the naming of Names, for evil done in the name of Good is still evil, and good done in any name is as done in My name" paraphrase of a dimly remembered passage involving Vkandis, Karal and the priesthood. . . " Hmmm...sounds an awful lot like a passage from the Chronicles of Narnia. All good done in whatever name is still good and whatnot...perhaps all gods/goddesses in Velgarth are simply different names of different aspects of one god and one goddess. It makes sense to me -- but of course, that doesn't imply truth. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SB SPOILER T O K E N S P A C E H E R E Firemist wrote: "Now that Nodes and ley lines are disintegrated, does this mean every Mage is reduced to Journey-man status? Magic is spread out in a thin, uniform layer (like fog) instead of concentrated in ley lines and nodes. Can this 'fog' be tapped by Master/Adept class mages? will this 'fog' act like regular water and condensate back into ley-lines and Nodes? anyone have any thoughts on the idea" That's one of the things that I wanted the most to have clarified at the end of SB. I mean, the whole system of magic has changed! How is this going to affect everyone? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wyvern The newbie formerly known as Megan ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1066 **********************************