MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1067

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) temperatures/Jinx High
	by ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com
  2) Re: on leave/ULTIMA ONLINE!!!/obMisty
	by WinterRobin <wayaadis-+AT+-inreach.com>
  3) RE: An UnTeenager speaks..
	by "Perkins, Cheryl EDWB" <cperkins-+AT+-edu.gov.nf.ca>
  4) Re: Divine Demarcation...
	by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
  5) RE: An UnTeenager speaks..
	by Sunny Norwood <snorwood-+AT+-NMSU.Edu>
  6) temperatures/Jinx High/dungeons/deities/newbiefest/braiding
	by Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
  7) Re: bondbird 
	by "The Mad Russian Alchemist" <tbovee-+AT+-means.net>
  8) Re: bondbird 
	by shrike-+AT+-cnmnet.com
  9) non teen Misty readers/temp/SoI SPOILERS!!!!!
	by ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com
 10) burn out / Yfandes
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 11) Bondbird Fluff
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 12) Re: bondbird 
	by Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
 13) Misty -- other authors/Deniz & SAD
	by rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer)
 14) something from nothing
	by Liseth-+AT+-aol.com
 15) Re: Jinx High
	by "Sera" <BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>
 16) The Naming of Gods (is a difficult matter...)
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 06:51:04 +0000
From: ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: temperatures/Jinx High
Message-ID: <199701201146.DAA27596-+AT+-geocities.com>

Firemist said:
>er, Summersong. Have you any idea how hot 42 C is? 107.6 F (and no,
>that's not a radio statio with the M left off) 
Well, I know how hot 42C is and I would much rather have it than -40C 
(which is what the windchills have been lately). I'm the kind of 
person who can happily spend all day out in the sun in 110F weather. 
Give me high temps any day (no, 20F doesn't count).

Nightdancer asked:
>P.S. How was this braid?
Wonderful! Didja take notes so when we have the next newbie influx 
you can help?<g>

Summersong said:
>Misty's dialogue from the high school kids just plain got on my nerves. 
>I resent it when people see the nonexistent need to interject their speech 
>with "like" and "y'know" every three seconds, when it's unnecessary to 
>do so.
I hate to say it, but aside from the total Valspeech, that was pretty 
typical of how the kids in Hershey talked. They also mixed it with PA 
Dutch, and you haven't heard awful til you hear people doing both at 
the same time. Oddly enough, the kids from Harrisburg didn't talk 
like that, and they would've died before saying some PA Dutch. <by PA 
Dutch, I mean the English dialect, not the German for all you 
linguists. If you don't know, ask me private>
I wasn't shocked by the way the kids in the story talked, so it 
didn't interfere for me. In fact, I thought Misty was doing a pretty 
good diatribe against letting kids run loose like that <lemmy put it 
this way, if I walk from home to Hummelstown there will be more beer 
cans than I can count, more condoms than I want to count, and various 
asst. liquor bottles. I don't want to think about what kind of 
statistical sample that is for a "good neighborhood"> 

Oh, and about the temperatures, I finally got in my dorm room email 
working so I don't have to risk frostbite to check my listmail.

Emily the invisible
Dame of the OAM

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 04:14:26 -0800
From: WinterRobin <wayaadis-+AT+-inreach.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: on leave/ULTIMA ONLINE!!!/obMisty
Message-ID: <32E361A2.50F2-+AT+-inreach.com>

Heyla all!

I'm going to be gone for a while. *sniff* But I thought I would come out
of my Diablo induced coma to greet all the newcomers, welcome and make
yourself comfortable! We are glad to have you with us! And
congratulations to the new gods and godesses! (?) I'll be busy with my
clan for next couple of weeks. I'll still get the mail and all but I
won't be responding much, like the last few days. Wind to thy wings list
sibs and keep the home fires burnin' in Haven!


Jayenna wrote:

> Does anyone out there like Ultima games?  I seem to recall somebody
> mentioning them a while ago, but I deleted it.  We ordered the beta  > test for Ultima Online and heard it was supposed to be shipped in Jan. > We haven't gotten it yet, and I was wondering if anyone else has heard > about it.

Hail to thee Jayenna!!
Did I hear.....Ultima?!?!  YESSSSS an Ultima fan!! What guild do you
hail from? I am Kerowynn k'Sheyna Hyward of Clan Woad, pleased to meet
you fellow Britannian! We have a member in our clan who's sister and
brother-in-law work for Origin. The beta won't be out until possibly
March 16th or abouts there. They pulled everyone working on the other
games to work on the Beta test, so all other Origin games are on hiatus
right now. But while we are all waiting for the Beta, us Clan Woaders
are passing the time with Diablo, great game!!!  This was my first night
on and I made it to level 12!! If you want, email me privately at ::::
                    kerowynn-+AT+-hotmail.com
Just so's we don't clutter the list :)  If anyone wantsto know more
about UOL, drop me a line at the hotmail address. *chocolate chip
cookies in the shape of companions and sheeps and a large glass of milk
for all the members of the list, 'specially the gods, goddesses, and
avatars* *smyle*

Journey onward! See you in Britannia!!

obMisty: Does Valdemar have dungeons?? I would assume it would since it
is a kingdom. But I don't recall any of the books I read mentioning that
Valdemar itself has dungeons. Or even lava pits.

WinterRobin
-- 
*"The Earth Does Not Belong to Us|If You Think An Education*
*    We Belong to The Earth"     |      Is Expensive       * 
*        -Chief Seattle          |     Try  Ignorance      *

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 09:49:00 PST
From: "Perkins, Cheryl EDWB" <cperkins-+AT+-edu.gov.nf.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: An UnTeenager speaks..
Message-ID: <32E3AFC0-+AT+-mailgate.gov.nf.ca>


I didn't  even encounter her first until I was well into my 40s. Whether 
this says anything about me, or her , I don't know.

Cheryl

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:28:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Divine Demarcation...
Message-ID: <9701201328.AA02047-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk>

Glithoniel Wrote...
> *******
> Jerry wrote:  >>I guess that the lack of crusades probably boils down to a
> similar explanation - active deities can make it quite apparent to their
> clergy exactly where they're interested in recruiting followers - if they
> don't want to expand, any unauthorised crusade leader is likely to end up as
> a grease spot on the floor...<<
> 
> Actually, at some point in either Winds or  Storms doesn't one of the Avatars
> mention that there is an agreement that gods not operate out of their
> territories?  I know I saw it I just can't remember where.  Drat!
> 
 Hmm. If there is, it must be fairly flexible - The Star-eyed ends up
intervening fairly far from home - There's the bit in _Oathbreaker_, for
example. "It's not a _rule_, it's a guideline :-)" as the wizard said to
the frog.... 

-- 
   _|_   Jerry Cullingford      jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk      (Work)
  / |    Hemel Hempstead, UK    jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk   (Home)
  \_|_                          www.selune.demon.co.uk  (soon)
\__/    Named Deity of Goblins, Killer Penguins, and Annoying Magic Items

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:03:01 -0700
From: Sunny Norwood <snorwood-+AT+-NMSU.Edu>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: An UnTeenager speaks..
Message-ID: <01BC069F.FA73EFC0-+AT+-analog-ts3-9.NMSU.Edu>

I think there are more important factors besides when you started reading 
her novels. . . like the fact that you read them at all.  The view a person 
takes relies mainly on that person's personality and not on their age, I'm 
sure everyone knows plenty of people that "don't act" their age (whether 
this is a good or bad thing, I don't know).  And also, people's views on 
things will change due to the things that surround their lives so you can 
probably expect more than one change during your lifetime is what I'm 
guessing.

-Sunny :#)
http://web.nmsu.edu/~snorwood

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 09:15:15 -0500
From: Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: temperatures/Jinx High/dungeons/deities/newbiefest/braiding
Message-ID: <199701201419.JAA11713-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Emily, the invisible listsib, said:
>Firemist said:
>>er, Summersong. Have you any idea how hot 42 C is? 107.6 F (and no,
>>that's not a radio statio with the M left off) 
>Well, I know how hot 42C is and I would much rather have it than -40C 
>(which is what the windchills have been lately). I'm the kind of 
>person who can happily spend all day out in the sun in 110F weather. 
>Give me high temps any day (no, 20F doesn't count).

<sob!> I used to get 46C weather by 11:00 every day starting in June and an 
all-time low of 6C (because the clouds from Saddam's burning the oil fields 
lowered temperature... and gave us oily rain... if you wanna know more, mail 
me private).  Now, I, too, suffer from the occasional -40C windchill, and try 
to console myself with "-10C isn't *that* cold".  It doesn't work.  I want the 
sun and heat back.  Having S.A.D. does *not* help.  That's probably why I'm 
being so scatterbrained in my correspondence.  I'm too apathetic to actually 
write.<sob>  Em, I know what you're going through.  Here's a virtual hand to 
hold. :)

>Summersong said:
>>Misty's dialogue from the high school kids just plain got on my nerves. 
>>I resent it when people see the nonexistent need to interject their speech 
>>with "like" and "y'know" every three seconds, when it's unnecessary to 
>>do so.
>I hate to say it, but aside from the total Valspeech, that was pretty 
>typical of how the kids in Hershey talked.

That's also typical of how all of us spoke where I grew up, too, in Company 
Town in the middle of a big desert.  I wasn't shocked at all.  It seemed like 
the people I've grown up with. <looks around sheepishly> <gathers courage to 
speak> Hi.  My name's Deniz... and I'm an alcoho... wrong speech... I speak 
like that when I get tongue-tied, still.


WinterRobin:
>And
>congratulations to the new gods and godesses! (?) 

New gods and godesses?  Was there a naming I missed?  I know I haven't 
received any posts by Kenny on that... hmmm... or is that what the question 
mark's for?

>obMisty: Does Valdemar have dungeons?? I would assume it would since it
>is a kingdom. But I don't recall any of the books I read mentioning that
>Valdemar itself has dungeons. Or even lava pits.

Well... I don't really know... I mean, <ack, that speak strikes again!> 
consider the character of Valdemar and the precepts upon which he founded his 
kingdom.  This is the kind of country where you won't need dungeons... come to 
think of it... do they even have prisons?  I mean, the only case I remember 
was the rapist, and Talia took care of that in such a way that he wouldn't 
need to go to prison.  Hmmm... so what do the townspeople do with their 
baddies if they catch them before the Heralds arrive?  How do they keep them 
out of the way?  Without prejudicing their innocence?  Hmm... I'm getting 
really intrigued by this... I mean, the Heralds act as combination policemen 
and judges... the Guards can also act as policemen, but are more security type 
people... I seem to remember something about having judges, and Heralds having 
to review their papers?  Does anyone have AotQ?  If so, can you give me 
textevd, please?

Oh, and somebody ('twas Firemist) was mentioning who Kero worshipped... She 
was Lady Wind-Born... I always got the impression that if Elspeth were ever in 
a position where she would be worshipping, that she would call upon the Lady 
Windborn.  Also, <scrounge, scrounge, tinker, fiddle> Firemist also said:

>Maybe there are four then Good Goddess/God and Evil Goddess/God, since Misty 
>has gone out of her way to point out that evil done in Vkandis' name is not 
>condoned by Vkandis.  And anyone doing evil in the Star-eyed's name :giggle: 
>had better hide lest she take insult and pay the slanderer a visit.

Well... have you *ever* heard Misty refer to a "Devil" type character?  I just 
don't think she would have an Evil Goddess/God duo... it isn't her style... 
and I thinkthinkthink she subscribes to the "deities are neither all good nor 
all evil, but contain elements of both" theory.  Don't ask me how or why... 
it's just a feel thing.  And the only "Evil" creatures we've seen are... 
constructs and Thalkarsh... a Demon.  Any more?

Oh, and some people were wondering where Gods and Goddesses come from and go 
to after they die?  Here's the Sandman theory.

The Gods and Goddesses start off as dreams, and live in Dream's realm... when 
they have enough worshippers, etc... they become deities and move out of 
dreams into their own realms... usually having something to do with the 
temples and other-such devoted to them.  When a deity grows old, they go back 
into dreams.  there was this one really touching scene where I-don't-remember- 
Her-name, the ancient Egyptian Goddess of cats is wandering in dreams, and 
gets an prayer from a girl whose cat was hit by a car... She only has the 
strength to send the child (the *cat* that is) a quick death.  Also, I 
remember her "real-life body thingie m'doodle" is wandering about, and she's 
hunting for rats and mice on her own, instead of having multitudes of 
offerings to choose from.  It really makes you feel for her.  Ah, well.  
Anyway, that's one theory on the origins and demises of deities... they start 
off in dreams and wander back there and die there.

Yes, I'm working on revamping the NewbieFest... right now it's covering:
 - sheep
 - names
 - how to get the FAQ
 - birthdays (a shameless plug, I know :) )
 - and how not to get flamed
Guys, if there's anything else that should be covered, please send me :)  
Also, does anyone know if there's a way to get Auntie Mel's Guide to 
Netiquette whatever besides http?  Oh, this is what private mail's for... 
don't worry about it.

Oh, to however it was who asked how to braid... we can't help you if we don't 
know what your e-mail client/server is... if it's Pine... I think it's Cennydd 
(not sure on this) who has the guide to braiding in Pine... it might also be 
Mat, mine God, who has it.  Just mention it once... and then everyone will get 
back to you :).  My suggestion... if nobody knows of a nice trick that does it 
for your server... is opening multiple windows and cutting and pasting.  
That's what I do!  Takes a bit longer, yes... but it's worth it.

Yes, I do have class to go to. :(  Ah, well... it's been wonderful chatting 
with you all again!

love,
Deniz Sarikaya, High Priestess of |"Perhaps today IS a good to die!"-- Worf
Procrastination, Holy Custodian of|"You told him about the statue?" -- Riker
the B-Day List, Dame of the OoAM, |"I'm a doctor, not a doorstop." -- EMH
and Demon of Deceitful Aliases.   |"Definitely not Swedish." -- Lily
      >dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA< >freakola-+AT+-geocities.com<
         >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/9359/<

Oh, and Kory?  Thanks for attribuating!

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:19:42 -0600
From: "The Mad Russian Alchemist" <tbovee-+AT+-means.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: bondbird 
Message-ID: <199701201430.IAA10631-+AT+-orion.polaristel.net>

Nightdancer, Breeder of Bondbirds said:
>One last thing, will everyone who has a bondbird please write me with
>their bondbirds name, breed, age, and your name to me. I am making a
>list of bondbirds, and their owners, so if some one asked me (as several
>people already have) who has bondbirds and who does not, so their
>bondbirds know who to talk to.

My name is Mistweaver.
Lina, a five month od cooperihawk, and Reka, a six month old owl (type not
specified {I like great horned owls or the big white ones [I forget the
breed name] if I can choose}), have chosen to bond with me.

Mistweaver
Partnered with Lina and Reka
member of the Order of Amber and Marigold
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          ___vvz    /(        Aleksandra Drakonovna
        <__,`   Z /  (       The Mad Russian Alchemist
Art by   `~~~)) Z)    (      tbovee-+AT+-means.net
Cerulean    / ( 7  (      sometimes known as Mistweaver


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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:05:20 -0600
From: shrike-+AT+-cnmnet.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bondbird 
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970120160520.00664c74-+AT+-cnmnet.com>

>>Shrike wrote:
>>i am curious, i know about hawks, owls, eagles, falcons and crows can be
>>bond birds but what about condors, vultures and shrikes?   COnsidering my
>>handle you can probably guess why the last one was thrown in *grin*
>>thanks for your time
>
>nightdancer wrote:
>In the MW series, I think it is Winds of Change, Darkwind is telling someone
>about how Earthsong tried to make a bondbird out of a vulture. It did not work.
>Of course, this is the computer, so...
>
>Shrike, Fria has bonded with you. She is a shrike. Eight months old.
>May your bonding be happy. Your bird may talk to other birds if she wants to.
>My bird is Sulena. She is a red-wing hawk.
>
 
*trills softly to the little bird*  Ooo, and she's even a barred shrike too!
Thanks for keeping her for me to find.  
*to the Fria* come on little songbird lets find you a nice stand of thorn
bushes or maybe a hawthorne tree 
 
i hope the rest of your hatchlings find a good home




shrike

somethings are impossible to find ....until you stop looking...then they're
right where you left them


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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:12:17 +0000
From: ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: non teen Misty readers/temp/SoI SPOILERS!!!!!
Message-ID: <199701201604.IAA11761-+AT+-geocities.com>

Sunny said (I _like_ that name):
>I think there are more important factors besides when you started 
>reading her novels. . . like the fact that you read them at all.
Yeah, cause Mom started when I did (say 5 years ago?) and she still 
likes Misty just fine (AFAIK, we haven't discussed SBreaking yet). 

Sunny continues:
> I'm sure everyone knows plenty of people that "don't act" their age 
>(whether this is a good or bad thing, I don't know). 
This is a Good Thing (tm). A daddy or a mommy who knows when to be a 
grownup and when to be a little kid is the best thing in the world! 
Cause then the parents will play with their kids and spend time with 
them and have fun with them instead of leaving them at home all the 
time. I've known knife safety since I was two cause my parents 
couldn't keep me out of the workshop. They got it so ingrained that I 
would no more think of cutting someone with a knife than most people 
would think of turning off the TV. My parents act like little kids 
sometimes, and it can be a lot of fun. They wouldn't have known to 
teach me knife safety if they hadn't been at home in most of their 
free time.

Deniz said:
> Em, I know what you're going through.  Here's a virtual 
>hand to hold. :)
Thanks! The truly horrible part is that this is normal <gah>. I can't 
imagine how bad it would be if I was used to Saudi weather. And SAD 
is no fun in winter. Have you tried getting a nice big, bright, sun 
tone fluorescent <sp> light? Mom uses one at the computer so that she 
gets more "sunlight" and the horrible weather doesn't get to her so 
much. The lights are pretty easy to make if you have a lighting 
supply store nearby. I just keep all the lights in my room on all the 
time when I'm awake. Helps bunches.

Deniz again:
>New gods and godesses?  Was there a naming I missed?  I know I 
>haven't received any posts by Kenny on that... hmmm... or is that 
>what the question mark's for?
I think Cenny is working on the naming right now, and I don't 
remember seeing it... ergo he isn't done yet. Maybe it was early 
congrats to the people who will become the new gods and goddesses.

OK,  now I need an ObMisty. Aha! <invisible one runs over to the bed 
and grabs SoI>
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The cover is a total rehash of all the LHM covers. I'm sure that 
they're short on funds, but did they have to advertise it so 
blatantly? Also, those funny looking daggery things look totally 
useless. How would you hold them?
I didn't like the two stories that Misty worked on. They struck me as 
mmm... sappy. There was no bite to them, and a good short story 
should have bite. I liked "Babysitter", "Salamander", and "The School 
Up the Hill" the best. I'd like to see more of Richard Lee Byers' 
work cause I liked "Salamander" so much. He really fit the story into 
a good place, and integrated it with the series in the best way out 
of all the stories. Babysitter was a fun read, and we got to see more 
about gryphons <yay!>. Now that I've read "Sword of Ice" I think that 
Misty should be shot for letting them publish it, and the author 
should be shot for making all those mistakes. We all know that 
Starwind is gay, right? Then why didn't he clearly turn Savil down 
when she was drooling over him? And I could've believed one mistake 
about Kellan's gender, but there were a few too many to make the typo 
theory seem plausible. Someone should've checked!
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Emily the invisible, who is annoyed with the editors at DAW
Dame of the OAM

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 17:54:57 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: burn out / Yfandes
Message-ID: <9701201654.AA14035-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Greetings,

Aistes wrote that I wrote:

> >And Esme replied:
>><<I don't know that they can back out, actually.>>
> Arrows of the Queen.  Reread the part where Talia is talking to Selenay
> about her being chosen.  I don't have the page handy or the book handy.
> They can back out of being a herald.  We know that they know what they are
> getting in to.  In the orientation room as well (Arrows of the Queen) They
> were talking to Griffin, Drake and Edric and Talia about being Queens Own or
> Kings Own.  The dangers as well and Teren asked if anyone wanted to leave.

What I was ineffectively trying to say was not that you couldn't back out
very early, but how about once you were established? What if you life-
bonded with someone who really couldn't handle your being a Herald in danger?
What if you just burnt out? Would your Companion leave you, "You are not the
strong upstanding person I bonded with, I 'm off to find myself someone
better", would you be seen as a failure? My impression is that once you've 
made it to the whites phase, you're in for life - be it long, short, painful,
sad or happy. 

=============================
Moonsight wrote:
> I don't think yfandes is grove born.In Magics Pawn,
> Sayvil is stunned he is being Guarded by a Companion and when told who
> the Companion is asks 'are you saying Yfandes chose Vanyel? The only
> full-grown companion in the field that hasn't chosen for over ten
> years-and now she's chosen Vanyel?'.

Well, look what they did with Gwenna - pops out from nowhere and *nobody*
questions where she came from. There's no reason to suppose they didn't
do the same with Yfandes.

that's me - the body is feeling distinctly under-par, and has been all 
weekend, (I object, most strenuously to being ill when I am not meant to 
be at work), so I'm off to my hot water bottle, my bed, my new book, and
an early night.

dooie,
Esmeralda

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:27:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Bondbird Fluff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970120121551.16194A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

If I could ask a favor of all those who are involved in the bond-bird
fluff, could you please respond to Nightdancer's posts off-list.  And
Nightdancer, if you wish to hand out bondbirds on-list, please do so in a
group.  This is the solution that we have had to adopt for the Naming of
Gods and Goddesses.  Many people who have to pay for their download time
resent it when people start sending a large number of small fluffy
off-topic posts to the list.  

For the Namings, what I try to do is save up a list of people who have
requested a Godhead and then hold a mass-naming ceremony in one post.
This reduces the number of messages on what is, admittedly, a technically
off-topic subject.

BTW, one little tiny concern that has also come up is that if you are
using "bondbirds" on a Misty list, you are probably technically guilty of
infringing on intellectual property.  You may want to simply offer your
birds as "companion birds" or even just plain "birds" rather than using a
term that in this context may be covered by Misty's copyrights.  BTW, I am
not saying that this is *definitely* copyright infringement.  It is
definitely a grey area, but it might be a good idea to avoid any
unfortunate incidents in the future.  

Finally, for all those who have been asking about a Naming, I am going to
be writing and posting the Naming ceremony today.  

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:10:53 -0500
From: Chris & Sean Talbot <brujah-+AT+-idirect.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bondbird 
Message-ID: <199701201810.NAA07566-+AT+-nemesis.idirect.com>

>My name is Mistweaver.
>Lina, a five month od cooperihawk, and Reka, a six month old owl (type not
>specified {I like great horned owls or the big white ones [I forget the
>breed name] if I can choose}), have chosen to bond with me.
I am Aistes I have a gryfalcon named Kesta who is 6 months old.  

Aistes looks at Reka and Lina.  Aistes reaches in a throws them each a fresh
piece of meat.


Sorry abou tos short of message

Aistes 
Bondbird Kesta


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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:07:30 EST
From: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Rozanna J. McNeer)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Misty -- other authors/Deniz & SAD
Message-ID: <19970120.130846.6614.1.rozanm-+AT+-juno.com>

>Firemist wrote:
>"Also, in the Storms, with the "let us dispense with the naming
>of Names, for evil done in the name of Good is still evil, and
>good done in any name is as done in My name"
>paraphrase of a dimly remembered passage involving 
>Vkandis, Karal and the priesthood. . . "

Wyvern/Megan wrote:
>Hmmm...sounds an awful lot like a passage from the Chronicles of Narnia.


you know what else is odd -- in the Westria novels by Diana L.
Paxson, there is an evil person named Huldah, and
a bard playing his harp to soothe angry ghosts so they
don't kill him (hmmm, sound familiar?)
****************
Deniz/ Woodlark -- you guys have S.A.D. too?
(for those of you who don't know, SAD stands
for <i'm 99% sure> Seasonally Affected Disorder)
I'm glad I'm living in Houston because there is more
light here -- its the lack of light in winter time that does
it to me -- sleep all day, sleep all night, get up long enough
to do email and then crawl back into bed for more sleeping. . .
Anyway, that was what my life was like in Holland <g>
where on Midwinter's day the sun is "up" from 9:00 to
15:30. "Up" refers to the fact that it is almost always cloudy
the official weather census says it rains 1 out of every 3 days
in Holland, and in December the monthly average hours of
actual sunlight (as opposed to daylight) was +/- 10 hours
for the whole MONTH!!!! AGH!!!!!

now if only it wasn't so bloody *warm* here in houston.
I like the light, but can do with out the heat in summer.

/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
Firemist                                  rozanm-+AT+-juno.com
Lore-Mistress of the Cat People
Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods
LotPW and Bower Denizen

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:15:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Liseth-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: something from nothing
Message-ID: <970120140506_1046073820-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com>

Deniz wrote:
>>Oh, and somebody ('twas Firemist) was mentioning who Kero worshipped... She

was Lady Wind-Born... I always got the impression that if Elspeth were ever
in 
a position where she would be worshipping, that she would call upon the
Lady<<

Actually (I hope you don't mind me pointing this out) on p 16 of BTS:
"Wheat-crowned Agnetha was Rathgar's idea of the appropriate sort of deity
for a  lady to worship--unlike wild, horse-taming Agnira, Kero's favorite.
 There was a shrine to Agnetha in the Keep chapel, though the other aspects
of the LadyTrine were only represented by little bas-reliefs carved into the
pedestal of Agnetha's statue." etc.
I don't recall any mention in a change in beliefs.

---------*******
Firemist wrote:
>>SB SPOILER alert

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will this 'fog' act like regular water and condensate
back into ley-lines and Nodes?

anyone have any thoughts on the idea<<

Well, I have my own pet theory.  My thoughts are that this is the way things
started and the nodes and ley-lines formed because of "erosion."  A mage uses
the power near them and so the power further away "erodes" the area a little
so that it is now a more natural route, with the space where the mage is a
kind of plateau.  Now, many mages do this, and as the magic starts to vear
around their plateaus they take in the magic from slightly further away
letting the plateau take a gentle sloping shape until it meets the plateau of
another mage.  It is in this "valley" that a ley-line will form, and the more
erosion that has happened, the stronger the ley-line.  Nodes form at the
intersection of three or more plateaus where, of course, three or more
ley-lines also meet.

What I want to know is if the magic has any flow in it, and, if so, what
direction that flow is in.

Liseth

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Date:          Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:29:02 CST
From: "Sera" <BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jinx High
Message-ID: <30307B46AD2-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>

> >>Meagan, the mundane newbie  (Wyvern) wrote:
> >> I didn't like Jinx High very much at all.
> Somebody (I forget who, sorry...) mentioned that everyone in JH talked like
> fluff-headed ditzes...I don't know -anyone- who really talks like that,
> among my friends. I'm sure there were some in my school (I graduated in '96,
> not that long ago) who did, but they were definitely a minority. The
> teenagers in the book just seemed like stereotypical 'Rich Snobbish
> Airheaded Teens' to me.

OK, I am not that far off from my high school days considering I 
graduated in '95 and I think I have to agree to a certain extent 
about the stereotype.  Yes, the "Airhead Teen" was brought forth 
quite clearly in JH and most schools are not like that.  However, 
there are schools everywhere that fit that to a "t".  I am not even 
refering to the schools thakjt are in the rich an snotty 
neighborhoods.  Every area has a school like that and perhaps this 
was the type of school that Misty wanted the scene to take place at 
since it is the type to get on people's nerves the fastest and that 
is appropriate for the storyline.  Personnally, I came from a school 
located in a "well to do" neighborhood and I wasn't from there.  
There were some students that had the stereotypical attitude, but 
then there were others that didn't.  Then when I went to a school in 
my neighborhood for a basketball game and met some of the "normal" 
students they carried off the stereotype quite well.  What I am 
trying to say is that though high school in JH was the stereotypical 
"snob school" it seemed to fit for the story and Misty was not saying 
that all high schoolers talked and acted in that manner.

Sera 




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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:50:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: The Naming of Gods (is a difficult matter...)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970120162219.21863A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

*All is normal in the Great Hall of Misty, as the multitude of list-member
discuss their topics and express their views on number of issues.
Suddenly, a shimmering series of notes fall from the high vaulted ceiling
as a beam of gold light, filled with emerald motes descends to the floor
of the Hall and coalesces into a richly robed man of indeterminate years. 
A crash of cymbals and a fanfare of trumpets announces the entry of
the Avatar of Nomenclature.  As the List-members look up, the Avatar walks
to a the currently vacant dais of the Goddess of Nomenclature.  As the
Avatar mounts the steps to the dais of the absent Goddess, his features
blend and shift, taking on the mantle of the Lady.  Turning to the host,
and wrapped in the image and power of the Goddess, the Avatar addresses
the gathering.*

"Greetings and hail (possibly sleet, too, depending on your location).
May I have your indulgence and attention.  Once more, our ranks have grown
within this Hall, and there have been many petitions placed upon the altar
of the Lady Thessaly.  In response, I come now to Name the newest members
to the List Pantheon."

Lady Becky, in the name of the Goddess of Nomenclature, I recognize 
thy title of Goddess of Tofu.  I think that this was a title that did not
receive a formal naming, although it was recognized and given by the Lady
Thessaly.

Rachel, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of Nomenclature, 
I hereby name thee to the title Goddess of Stupid Questions.  As thy
demesne, thou art given governance over all the multitude of questions
that might be answered with a little thought and preparation (such as
reading the archives or the FAQ).  In recognition of thy new rank, I
present thee with an engraved and ornamented book of hours, with each
meditation being composed of a beautifully illuminated Question from the
Misty List "Done to Death" topics list. I am sure that thou wilt receive a
vast multitude of tithes from the various newbies.  Be gentle with them
and defend them from the sling and arrows of the list, for they are surely
thy people 

Lady Windshadow, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of
Nomenclature, I hereby name thee to the title of Goddess of Cynicism and
Bizarre Metaphors.  As thy demesne, thou canst claim rule over all who
are drawn to the cynic's viewpoint.  As well, thou hast dominion over
the truly bizarre metaphors that abound in the realms of the List and
Cyberspace.  In recognition of thy new rank, I present thee with a
gloriously beautiful new books of spells (which will probably not work
right, given the way the world is these days, grumble, grumble...).
All of the spells are based on the new, powerful REM spellcasting
language (Reality Editing Metaphors) which uses magic to pull reality
into conformation with metaphoric language.

Liseth, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of Nomenclature, 
I hereby name thee to the title of Goddess of Running Away and Hiding
Under Tables.  Thy demesne shall be the hearts and spirits of those gentle
souls who are ever and anon buffetted by the awareness of incipient
danger.  In recognition of thy new rank, I present thee with a new table.
It is stoutly made of burled maple, polished to a glassy finish and carved
around the edges and on the legs with a host of small timid animals
peaking from behind vines and leaves.  In the midst of the table top is
a panel of ebony, inlaid with gold script that picks out the ancient
battle-cry of the Dwarves of Skartaris: "Run Away!!!"  This table is
imbued with the power of thy Godhead and reinforced with the unalterable
power of the Great Wheel.  No levin-bolt shall ever pierce this refuge,
nor shall any divine wrath mar its surface.

Shadowwolf, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of Nomenclature, 
I hereby name thee to the title of God of Stupid Chess Moves.  As thy
demesne, thou hast rule over all the myriad and sundry ways of losing at
chess as well as winning out of pure, unreduplicable chance.  In
recognition of thy new rank, I present thee with a chess set, the
playing surface of which is carved from malachite and hawk's eye set in a 
jeweled frame of golden vines and thorns.  Each piece is a careful and
detailed sculpture of a noted historical or fictional personage who
displayed extraordinary bone-headedness in making strategic or tactical
decisions.

 
Summersong, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of
Nomenclature, I hereby name thee yto the title of Goddess of Country Twang
and Cowgirl Boots.  As thy demesne, thou hast rulership over those who
speak with a gently drawled accent and who still value the country way.
However, specifically excepted from thy demesne is the art of Country
Singing, which properly falls with the demesne of the Lady Sofia, Goddess
of Music.  In recognition of thy new rank, I present thee with a single
brilliant diamond, containing within its multifaceted depths a host of
treasured folktales and folkways related in the entire spectrum of Western
and Southern dialects.  From this gem, the ancient voices of country
wisdom whisper their secrets, including the secret lore of the Cowboy
Boot.

Herewiss, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of Nomenclature, I 
hereby name thee to the title of God of the Woodlands.  The wooded copses
and dells are given into thy keeping, to be held with love and maintained
in balance.  In recognition of thy new rank, I gift thee with a old and
battered chest.  Its dark wood sides and iron bindings give it the
appearance of timeless age, as if it were as old as the Woods themselves,
and the twining knotwork that wraps around its clasp suggests secret
knowledge that only the spirits of the Forest will ever understand.
Within the chest is a trove of pale, white stones, glowing softly with a
lunar radiance.  Each stone contains the stored light of the Changer's
Moon and will allow its bearer to slip on the form of a Creature of the
Woods for the duration of a single night.  With these stones, thy servants
and chosen followers may more fully experience the magic of thy demesne.

Barbara/Lani, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of
Nomenclature, I hereby name thee to the title of Murphy's Monster, The
Master of Disaster.  Into thy guardianship are given the fates of all
those who must deal with the Imp of the Perverse.  Defend them from the
cruel tyranny of Murphy's Law.  In recognition of thy new rank, I present
thee with a gift of great power, a Veil of Serendip, which can occlude the
eyes of the Imp causing his curse to fall in such a way as to yield a
hidden benefit.

la Sera, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of
Nomenclature, I hereby name thee to the title of Goddess of
the Eventide.  As thy demesne, thou hast governance over the twilit
world, where the last light of day caresses the first moonbeams of night.
In recognition of thy new rank, I present thee with a Cloak of Shadows,
which shall conceal all within thy protection from the piercing shafts of
sunlight and the brilliant silver blades of the moon, allowing thee and
thy chosen to pass, half-seen half-hidden, through the realms of the
Evening.

Charrach, by the Grace of the Lady Thessaly, Goddess of Nomenclature, I
hereby name thee to the title of God of Arbitration.  Into thy keeping are
given all the various tactics and strategies for peaceful negotiation of
compromise.  In recognition of thy new rank, I present thee with a
lifetime membership in the Magical and Mythological Bar Association, with
full access to the "Aurora I Memorial Law Library" which has the most
extensive collection of references and case-histories on Mystical Law and
the Code Magique.  With this membership comes a special Ring of Copying,
which will be recognized by any of the magical scriptorium servants and
will entitle the wearer to an unlimited number of facsimile copies of rare
documents and the right to check out any documents contained in the
General Collection.

*As each new deity steps forward and receives their gift from the Avatar,
the Role of the Pantheon is seen to record their names and titles in
gilded letters.*

Finally, there are a few other details.  For those who were interested,
there is not yet a God or Goddess of Caffeine.  There is however a Goddess
of Gardens and Terrified Weeds.  She is, Lady Barbara, the mother of the
Avatar's mundane self and joins the Lady Thessaly's mother as a Greater
Goddess, whose demesne may not be trespassed.  (For those of you who were
wondering, or forgot, Lady Thessa's mother is the Goddess of Chocolate.)
What this means is that no-one can be appointed to either Chocolate or
Gardening. If you must absolutely be a something of Gardening, you may
apply to be the Avatar of Lady Barbara. 


PS: to Meg, if thou couldst let me know what Godhead thou art interested
in, I can put thee in the next naming.  Unfortunately, I could not think
of anything that would be appropriate at the moment.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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