MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1084

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) bdays/confuzled/death penalty/bonds
	by Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
  2) RE: death penalty
	by Sunny Norwood <snorwood-+AT+-NMSU.Edu>
  3) Re: death penalty
	by rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Cat Person)
  4) Re: bdays/confuzled/death penalty/bonds
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
  5) Star wars/SoI
	by Jan <janprins-+AT+-mindspring.com>
  6) Welcome/Hatebonds
	by tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Creature Person)
  7) Re: bdays
	by northcat-+AT+-juno.com (carol a lena)

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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 97 11:53:59 -0500
From: Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: bdays/confuzled/death penalty/bonds
Message-ID: <199702011658.LAA04955-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>

Birthday stuff, ho!
What, have you all stopped giving gifts?  Or are they all private?  Oh, 
that's right... there were some general in advance ones. :)  Okay...

	TOMORROW (02/02) IS DENIZ'S 19th BIRTHDAY!  If you wish, you may 
send her private at dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca  wanna really make her day?  
Visit her web page (URL in the sig) and give her suggestions :)

	THREE DAY WARNING: Tamara's turning 17 on the 4th.

Here is the new February Birthday list... if you're still not on it, write 
me.  Yes, you may throw a tantrum.  As long as it's not violent, I won't 
mind. :)

February
2	Deniz
4	Tamara
5	Nightdancer
10	Mel the Redcap
11	Lady Lydia
14	Etitameh aka Chelsea
15	Herald Michal
16	Shelley Kennon
22	vix
25	Jenna
28	Cennydd

)(&#-+AT+-!)*#) CONFUZLED
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Err... J.A.?  I don't know if people who do have decoding capabilities were 
able to read this message, but I sure wasn't.  I don't know if it's because 
of my software or the list processor or what... but is it possible you 
could send unencrypted messages?

)*%^*&$%^#^*% DEATH PENALTY
I just wanted to put in my .02 here... I seem to be picking up a slight 
prejudice against the way justice is done in countries like Saudi Arabia.  
I'm not gonna quote people, because this is a reading between the lines 
that I might be making up, and I don't want to offend anyone.  Now, I know 
that the system is a bit corrupt, and that it's not used correctly all the 
time, and you're not innocent 'till proven guilty... but when you've got 
rules like, "Steal and lose a finger... steal again and lose a hand... 
steal once more and lose a head," "Kill and lose your head," and, "Commit 
adultery and get lashes and public stoning," (my paraphrasing) and you 
actually consistently enforce these rules *in* *public*... you have a much 
lower crime rate.  I am not joking.  Saudi Arabia might be on the top ten 
list for Human Rights Violations (mostly for these same "justice" practices 
and for holding political prisoners indefinitely), but it has a very low 
crime rate.

Well, what did you all think of the affair with that kid (I don't remember 
his name) who got the caning in Singapore?  I personally thought that by 
living in that country, he agreed to live by its rules, and he should have 
known the risk he was taking when he defaced property like he did.  He's 
never going to do that again... whereas in the States, he'd get a lecture, 
pay some money, and do it again. (My, I'm too cynical for an idealist.)

*)(^*%#^*_(_*%$^ BONDS
Peony said:
>If it turns out a lifebond isn't necessarly a lovebond, could it become a 
>hatebond?

Oooh, scary thought... and it definitely feels believable, too.  But I 
think that it'd eventually go through the hate stage and settle on an 
uneasy truce/acceptance, if given the time.

love,
Deniz Sarikaya, High Priestess of | Has anyone seen the new STAR WARS yet?
Procrastination, Holy Custodian of| Isn't it awesome?  I *loved* it!  Too
the B-Day List, Dame of the OoAM, | bad they edited out two of my
and Demon of Deceitful Aliases.   | favorite bloopers. :(
      >dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA< >freakola-+AT+-geocities.com<
         >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/9359/<

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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 10:40:28 -0700
From: Sunny Norwood <snorwood-+AT+-NMSU.Edu>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: death penalty
Message-ID: <01BC102C.5851E9E0-+AT+-analog-ts6-2.NMSU.Edu>

Well, let us also consider how many people are abused there and the fact 
that it is OK.  There is also the problem that one thing about a country 
might be absolutely fabulous,but then there are things that make it a 
hideous place to be.  Every country has something like this, it just 
depends which something you want more of.  Like Saudi may have the lowest 
crime rate, but there's a lot of abuse deemed as OK.  In America, we have a 
high crime rate, but hey we got that freedom of speech and religion (1st 
Amendment comes in handy).  To each his own.
As for that kid in Singapore.  You're right, he should've known better, but 
the world is not perfect, we got stupid heads and lots of people who don't 
care running around everywhere.  But in my dreams I'll kill them all and 
feel much better (jk).

-Sunny :#)
http://web.nmsu.edu/~snorwood
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From: 	Deniz[SMTP:dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca]
Sent: 	Saturday, February 01, 1997 10:09 AM
Subject: 	bdays/confuzled/death penalty/bonds

)*%^*&$%^#^*% DEATH PENALTY
I just wanted to put in my .02 here... I seem to be picking up a slight
prejudice against the way justice is done in countries like Saudi Arabia.
...  Now, I know that the system is a bit corrupt, and that it's not used 
correctly all the time, and you're not innocent 'till proven guilty... but 
when you've got
rules like, "Steal and lose a finger... steal again and lose a hand...
steal once more and lose a head," "Kill and lose your head," and, "Commit
adultery and get lashes and public stoning," (my paraphrasing) and you
actually consistently enforce these rules *in* *public*... you have a much
lower crime rate.  I am not joking.  Saudi Arabia might be on the top ten
list for Human Rights Violations (mostly for these same "justice" practices 
and for holding political prisoners indefinitely), but it has a very low
crime rate.
Well, what did you all think of the affair with that kid (I don't remember
his name) who got the caning in Singapore?  I personally thought that by
living in that country, he agreed to live by its rules, and he should have
known the risk he was taking when he defaced property like he did.  He's
never going to do that again... whereas in the States, he'd get a lecture,
pay some money, and do it again. (My, I'm too cynical for an idealist.)



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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 13:47:11 EST
From: rozanm-+AT+-juno.com (Cat Person)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: death penalty
Message-ID: <19970201.124742.3470.2.rozanm-+AT+-juno.com>

cindy (rune?) wrote:
>  I have always been of the opinion that child molesters and 
>rapists should pay an extreme price for their crime.  As you 
>said... their victims will never be able to fully recover from the 
>damage they caused.  I've always advocated full castration.  
>However, death would work!

My late grandfather advocated castration but included
pre-frontal lobotomies. He said that rapists and
molester's were sick in the mind, and if deprived
pf their own equipment, they would resort to using
corn-cobs, sticks, fire-pokers -- you get the idea.
He said with a pre-frontal lobotomiy, you
could safely put them in chain gangs and
make them earn their keep (what with the
death penalty being expensive and all)
On the other hand, maintaing X people
of Umpteen years has to be expensive too. . .
<shrug> regardless, I think our legal system
in the US needs a bit of re-doing and
setting our priorties straight. After all,
I can cite cases where a person who
wrote a bad check, spent more time in jail
and had higher bail, than a convicted rapist.
If that isn't silly and wrong, then please enlighten
me WHY NOT!


/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
Firemist                                  rozanm-+AT+-juno.com
Lore-Mistress of the Cat People
Goddess of Made From Scratch Foods
She Who is Ankle-deep in Kleenex


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Date:          Sat, 1 Feb 1997 13:37:24 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <JSJAHATH-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: Deniz<dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca>, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bdays/confuzled/death penalty/bonds
Message-ID: <3F15241815-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

I would just like to wish everyone who has a February birthday a 
"Happy Birthday!" with warm smiles and hot cocoa (esp. if you live 
where it's cold! :)  ).

Obmisty....ummm I just got a really improtant message in...sorry..I 
promise to make it up!

jacquelle

"You broke your little ships."
Lily to Picard
Star Trek: First Contact

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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 00:00:09 -0500
From: Jan <janprins-+AT+-mindspring.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Star wars/SoI
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970202050009.006bf6d8-+AT+-pop.mindspring.com>

>Deniz Sarikaya, High Priestess of | Has anyone seen the new STAR WARS yet?
>Procrastination, Holy Custodian of| Isn't it awesome?  I *loved* it!  Too
>the B-Day List, Dame of the OoAM, | bad they edited out two of my
>and Demon of Deceitful Aliases.   | favorite bloopers. :(

Yes! Yes! Yes! Its totally awesome. Still just as good as the first time I
saw it. Loved wwhat they did to the town.  Thought the Jabba the Hut scene a
bit contrived, tho. And I still cry when Obewan Kenobe dies. But, what
bloopers did they edit out?  I saw one they left in.

Well, Ive been reading SoI.  Ive been kind of skipping arounnd, reading what
looks interesting.  Some comments on what I've read:

S

P

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R

S

P

A

C

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mMy favorite was In the Forest of Sorrows.  Good plot , good ccharacters,
Van acting just the way he ought to be.

Which brings me to Chance, which , like most of you, I was disappointed in.
The long intro didn't bother me, I thought it was interesting background.
What did bother me was that it didn't seem like the Van i've always
imagined.  the one that always had to be drug into relationships by the
heels.  Or at least gently enticed. 

Sword of Ice was OK, but I was expecting more.  Where was the plot? Or did I
miss it somehow?  We never even learn what happened to Starwind that burned
him so.

I liked Sunlancer--an iteresting inside view of life in Karse.
A Song for no ones Mourning was weird. Lots of detailed description, thought
the strange instrument was pretty cool, but left me feeling all weird and
unsettled--maybe it was supposed to? 

I liked Blue Heart---maybe he found the butterfly whan it was almost dead?
Its *possible*, anyway. The story never *says* he killed it---tho I guess
you have to have it alive to mount it properly. Anyway, it was his Companion
who had sent him chasing after it.

Jayenna


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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 00:14:13 EST
From: tygriss-+AT+-juno.com (Creature Person)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Welcome/Hatebonds
Message-ID: <19970201.231343.8223.1.Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com>

  *Leaves stir and rustle as Tygriss glides silently out of the forest.*
Just thought I'd make a bit of noise to let ya'll know I'm still here. ;)

  Welcome to all the newbies!  I hope all of you enjoy yourselves here
and contribute often.

  On hatebonds: I've read in several fictional instances about two people
who are bound by their hatred of each other throughout their karmic
lives.  I'm sure this happens in the mundane world.  The fiction that
tickled me to comment on this is DC Vertigo's _Witchcraft_ trilogy.  It
concerns a worshipper of the Fates and her violent death by rape and
strangulation.  At each turn of the Wheel, they return and meet again. 
The victim is even reincarnated as a man, Sir Richard Francis Burton
once!  Very good reading, IMO.

  Tygriss melts back into the striped shadows...

Tygriss-+AT+-juno.com
Nala's bondmate
Cat Person, LotPW, Tigger Sister, KoOAM, PoLarge Hunter Cats
www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3418
No matter the faith, Night comes for us all.

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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 04:05:57 EST
From: northcat-+AT+-juno.com (carol a lena)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: bdays
Message-ID: <19970202.040501.11630.0.northcat-+AT+-juno.com>

I read the thing on birthdays. My birthday is Feb 24. Please add it to
your list. Thank you.                                Northcat

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