MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1095

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Deity Fluff Ho!!!!!
	by Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
  2) Re: E.R. [ Humph!!!!!]
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
  3) Diety fluff
	by Erik Wayne McKee <ewm1006-+AT+-cis.tamu.edu>
  4) Re: Diety fluff
	by "Cindy Meeks" <cmeeks-+AT+-gte.net>
  5) OAM/tv/Fire Rose/
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
  6) Re: OAM
	by "JAIME HATHAWAY" <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
  7) Re: OAM???
	by Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: FIREROSE
	by Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com
  9) I had to change it to something
	by Liseth-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: I had to change it to something
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 11) RE: OAM???
	by "Brooke Shapiro" <Mara_S-+AT+-msn.com>
 12) RE: FIREROSE
	by "Brooke Shapiro" <Mara_S-+AT+-msn.com>
 13) Re: I had to change it to something
	by Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:46:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Mat the Cat in Green <mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>
To: Korendil <korendil-+AT+-icubed.net>
Subject: Deity Fluff Ho!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.93.970210222754.19342A-100000-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu>

On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Korendil wrote:

> >Sigh.  Much as I love Mine clergy, what I really need are some cute
> >*male* priests.  Sigh.
> 
> Now...I hope you don't mean ones who'd be interested in you;P But I've been
> meaning to apply for months now, and, hey...I *am* the TCEW, and male, even
> if I'm not the right orientation;>

Well, actually, that *was* what I meant. <g>  But hey, I'm a liberal 
kind of god.  I'm an equal opportunity deity. <g>

> I take it you don't mind if you have other Gods in your Temple, do you?

I guess not, since I have the Goddess of Dry Breakfast Cereal and Tofu as
a Handmaiden. :)

> Credentials:
[Snip!]

Nice credentials Kory. <g>


Ahem.

<boom of thunder, flash of lightning> (I should trademark that one. <g> )

"Lord Korendil.  For thine services above and beyond worship of Myself,
I hereby name thee my Priest of Procrastination, in the speciality
of School Work and Homework.  It is thy given duty to keep watch over
those whose tithes to Myself consist of prolonging school work.  In only
one place are thine powers limited, and there they are merely shared.
When thy watched-over tithes have connection with computers, thou shall
sharest thy vigil and guardianship with thy sister Priestess, Emily (of
the dept. of Computers/Programming).  Go now, and serve Me well.  Or, at
least, when you get around to it." <g>


The clergy ranks of the Temple of Procrastination stand thus:

High Priestesses Deniz and Renee (MIA)
Handmaiden Becky
Priestess Emily, dept. of Computing/Programming
Priest Korendil, dept. of School Work/Homework
Mad Prophetess Teleute (MIA)
Acolyte ??? (MIA, and/or I have no idea who this was)


obMisty: hmmm.  ummmmm.   hrm.  Oh!  How about this one?

Does Vanyel have the Bardic Gift?  <weg, s&d, rlh> <snicker>

[anti-coconut shields up and at full power!]


Mat
Cat Person, Champion in Green,     |"Hey diddle-dee, answer me this riddle,
Adept, God of Procrastination      | hey diddle-do, tell me what you will.
Heathen #149, and OoUL/L of tLotPW | Dance all day with the Cat and the
mtimme47-+AT+-magic.hofstra.edu         | Fiddle. Come and lay with the Heather
http://ada.hofstra.edu/~mtimme47/  | on the hill"   --- Heather Alexander



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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:51:29 -0500 (EST)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: E.R. [ Humph!!!!!]
Message-ID: <01IF9NC09C6A9AREV9-+AT+-delphi.com>

On 10-FEB-1997 08:01:44.7 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
 me>Ah, but you missed the episode about one month when the lesbian couple
 me>showed up in the ER with one of them in labor, and the biological father
 me>is gay and shows up with his partner.  ER is such a cool show!

Oh, that was a good episode, too!


     Chantal                                                                                                                                 

"It's a beautiful day in <my> neighborhood, Carter."   --Dr. Benton

`[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 01:15:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Erik Wayne McKee <ewm1006-+AT+-cis.tamu.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Listsev <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Diety fluff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970211005824.9347B-100000-+AT+-cis.tamu.edu>

I know that I'm new here, and that it's a shame to spend my first post in 
such a manner, but here goes anyway, after it has been procrastinated for 
several hours, while several other supposedly more inportant things 
supposedly got done (stress on the supposedly).

I guess this means that I should at least be a worshipper of the Diety of 
Procrastination, if I ever get around to worshipping, but I would like to 
be a part of the clergy of procrastination.

Let's see, what do I have for a worthy tithe?  hmm...  A couple of lab 
reports that should be completed already, some studying that I'm way 
behind in, and many computer tasks (many listserv related), that never 
seem to get accomplished.

I do have one major character flaw for a clergy member to the Diety of 
Procrastination, that is I'm always helping out others that have gotten 
themselves by falling to the temptation of the Diety of Procrastination.  
Hmm... Come to think of it, this could be a strong point.  If people find 
it relatively easy to procrastinate and survive (even with some help in 
the survival part), they are more inclined to procrastinate in the 
future, thus assuring the Diety of Procrastination a large group of loyal 
followers, when they remember to follow, of course.

Well, I might as well mention something Misty related in this post, I 
believe that y'all call it an obMisty around here, right?

Has anyone else noticed how many statements/concepts Misty mentions in 
her works that can be/are applicable in today's world?  It's nice to have 
a fantasy author who has a social consciousness and who, through her 
works, tries to foster openmindedness in her readers by her works.  My 
mind is short on thinking at them moment, but if I remember right, Morgan 
LLywelyn does something simmiar at times, right?

Bright Blessings
Erik McKee

#include<soon_to_be_developed_cool_nifty_sig_file_here.h>


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:50:48 -0600
From: "Cindy Meeks" <cmeeks-+AT+-gte.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Diety fluff
Message-ID: <199702111352.HAA04159-+AT+-smtp.gte.net>

Sounds like Eric is the PERFECT candidate for GOP's clergy!!!!

And I agree with Eric on another point.  I do find that a lot of the ideals
that Misty puts into her realms useful.  A lot of these ideals are very
similar to my own.

Y'all have read a couple of posts of mine but I've never truly introduced
myself.  I have been a Misty fan for a number of years and have brought
many converts to the fold by the loaning of a single book...  I love
watching my friends faces as they progress through the first, then the
second, then the third book.  I even have one friend that is constantly
scouring the countryside for new books and short stories.

I'm a single parent with a 4 year old daughter.  I spend my working time on
the phone for one of those "psychic networks".  I read tarot cards for a
living and wrinkle my nose at the "psychic" labeling.  I can't read
minds... but have been quite sucessful at reading my cards.  If there is a
Goddess of Tarot or fortune telling... I guess I would apply for the post
of acolyte.  *shrug*

We've had several threads on the way Misty portrays children's lives.  In
one of my previous posts, I gave all of you a peek into my own childhood. 
It is interesting that I see real live situations in her descriptions of
these children.  And as someone (chocolate sheep to the one who's name I'm
forgetting) stated... her books would be rather bland without these
descriptions of life.  I've been told by more than one "professional" that
children who grow up in adversity develop "talents".  The stronger the
adversity, the stronger the "talent".  However, sometimes the
adversity/talent combination can break the mind and spirit.  I wouldn't
recommend going out and putting your kid through adversity just to see what
latent talent they might hold!

Hmmmmm....  Sorry for the length of this one...


Rune!

Call me Cindy... Call me Rune... I'll play in the ocean Till I look like a
prune!!!
Visit my homepage at http://home1.gte.net/cmeeks/index.htm



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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:41:16 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: OAM/tv/Fire Rose/
Message-ID: <9702111446.AA15874-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

Kalen asked about the OAM.
It's an HTH started group for defending Vanyel against accusations of 
whininess. Non profit organization, no tithes needed for membership. 
Can be either a knight or a dame, not dependant on gender.

>Okay Guys, this is covered in Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb... please 
>don't discuss these shows on the list by giving away the plot, as 
>some have complained, not everybody is getting the newest season.  
>And some people, like me, might not even 
>have a TV (I bum off friends once a week).
Or watch it. When you have vast quantities of homework, and a whole 
bunch of reading you want to do, TV falls by the wayside (besides, I 
hate having to hold still for it).

Lady Sophia said:
>"there were two suites which were virtually identical to her own, 
>except for the color scheme - one was decorated in stark green and 
>silver, which she found cold and repellant; and the other in
>Cameron's trademark red and gold, which she found to be 
>uncomfortably lush... living in one of them would be like
>living at the bottom of the sea, the other would be like living in a 
>jewel box.  She much preferred the choice that had been made for 
>her."
I remember something similar and I always thought that people who 
could use that elemental magic were more comfortable in surroundings 
that mirrored their abilities.

Sorry about the lack of original ideas. I've read ~3000 (yes I kept 
track) pages of non-Misty in the last week and am kinda burnt out for 
good ideas. Too busy digesting the six and a half million I read. 
BTW, I really don't reccommend doing a repeat of what I did and still 
trying to do good in classes (_very_ distracting, and philosophy gets 
all mixed up with what you're reading).

Hold on, lemme fix the sig over here... done! If only the other one 
was as easy...

Emily the invisible
Priestess of Procrastination, Computers and Programming
Dame of the OAM
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/7726/
ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:28:07 CST
From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: OAM
Message-ID: <5C7C993FC0-+AT+-future.judson.edu>

> Kalen asked about the OAM.
> It's an HTH started group for defending Vanyel against accusations of 
> whininess. Non profit organization, no tithes needed for membership. 
> Can be either a knight or a dame, not dependant on gender.

Not to be picky or critical or anything, but didn't Van himself admit 
to being whiny?  And then Savil confirmed it.  Somewhere in MPromise, 
I think. *sighs*...someday I'll have my books with me....

Obstartrek <g>:  Just to pass it along, this will be especially 
amusing/ironic to those who saw First Contact...Patrick Stewart is 
going to be playing the role of Captain Ahab in an upcoming version 
of Moby Dick, on USA network, I believe.  (If this has already been 
mentioned, I apologize...I've been too busy to do more than skim 
through the posts.)

WTTW/LLAP
Jacquelle


"You broke your little ships."
Lily to Picard
Star Trek: First Contact

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:23:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: OAM???
Message-ID: <970211191623_507914734-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com>

Er... pardon me for sounding so absolutely dense, but just what does OAM
stand for.  If you haven't guessed, I'm very new to this list and haven't
sorted out the jargon yet...

Thanks,
Kerellsen
(mother of three and owned by two cats...)

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:29:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: FIREROSE
Message-ID: <970211191622_276703726-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-02-07 23:01:15 EST, you write:

<< The

-I-was-stupid-and-took-out-a-good-book-on-a-school-night-and-read-it-from-cove

 r-to-cover-until-five-in-the-morning-Shy'hawk >>


It's nice to know that I'm not the only person who did that when FIREROSE
came out!  Only I started it on the Saturday night of a Navy Reserve Drill
Weekend when I had to be up at four in the morning!   YIIIIIIIIIIII!   

It was worth it.  I must admit that I really appreciated the fact that Misty
got the details on the period clothing right.  I do historical costuming as a
hobby (when I can pry myself away from Misty's books!) and get so disgusted
by most author's half-baked ideas on what men and women wore and how they
wore it.  Someone once described a seduction scene set in the 1500s in
England, in winter--- and the characters had undressed themselves/each other
in less than three minutes.  Having worn an accurately made Tudor for an SCA
event, I KNOW it takes at least fifteen minutes and the help of a lady's maid
and/or a willing significant other to assist in getting in or out of the
thing.  And that's when you don't run into problems with knotted corset
strings and sopping wet underskirt hems!   :)

I've toured a house that was built by a rail baron once and I found myself
picturing the luxury there while I was reading about the mansion.  But I'm
sure Jason's home was in much better taste than the one I saw!

Looking forward to more books in this particular desmene!

Cheers!
Kerellsen

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:42:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Liseth-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: I had to change it to something
Message-ID: <970211193302_1610631795-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com>

Mat wrote (and I just have to respond):
>>Does Vanyel have the Bardic Gift?  <weg, s&d, rlh> <snicker>

[anti-coconut shields up and at full power!]<<

That's good, I always throw tables (of course, I'm right back under them as
soon as they land, but who cares?  It's the only way I can move.)
That's not to say I throw the tables *at* anyone.

So what was I saying?

I know.  I'd like to conduct a survey.  Anyone who would like to respond just
send me a post at Liseth-+AT+-aol.com with subject "Liseth's survey"  I'd really
like lots of responses, so if the lurkers would please respond as well.
 (apologies if this survey has already been conducted)  Include in the post:

1. Real name or not if you really don't want to.
2. Fake name used on Misty list.
3. Any other fake names you might have and where you use them.
4. Current country of residence.
5. Country of birth if different from #4.
6. Native tongue
7. Year in school ("graduate student" "high school senior" "none" etc.)
8. Current, future, or past college major
9. Profession
10. Age (unless you want to become a priest(ess) for me)
11. When you started reading Misty
12. First Misty book
13. Favorite Misty book(s)
14. All time favorite book
15. Publications (if any)

I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish by this, I just want to know a
little more about who I'm talking to.  Not sure why.

Someone was talking about perfectly ordinary characters.  I have read one
novel about a perfectly ordinary character.  It was called _A Portrait of the
Artist as a Young Man_ or some such (can't remember those long titles).  It
was not a perfectly ordinary novel.  In fact, it was one of the most
difficult novels I've ever read.  My point beint that if the main character
were perfectly ordinary, why would anyone read the book or start a discussion
list about it?  Authors have to make a living somehow.

ObMisty:
Well, I know there's one somewhere.  Here ObMisty, where are you, ObMisty?
Maybe, I don't know, I could say something like... no, that's mean, and it's
not a real ObMisty anyway.  So I'll go back to Van's Bardic Gift.  I think he
has it.  I don't think it ever got trained.  He does pretend to be a Bard in
MPromise.  But I'm not sure he *knows* he has it.  That would explain the
inconsistencies, wouldn't it?

************************************************************
Liseth                                        (Liseth-+AT+-aol.com)
Goddess of Running Away and Hiding Under Tables
First Master of the Guild of Typoists
************************************************************
"Life is easier to take than you'd think; all that is 
necessary is to accept the impossible, do without 
the indispensable and bear the intolerable."
                          -Kathleen Norris

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:47:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I had to change it to something
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970211203230.20199B-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 Liseth-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> So I'll go back to Van's Bardic Gift.  I think he has it.  I don't
> think it ever got trained.  He does pretend to be a Bard in MPromise.
> But I'm not sure he *knows* he has it.  That would explain the
> inconsistencies, wouldn't it?

You know, I never thought of that, but it would make sense!  After all,
*we* know that he has the Bardic Gift because, as readers, we are privy to
Savil's private thoughts.  But there is no indication AFAIK that she ever
told Van that he had the Bardic Gift.  It is possible that he never
realized he had it, particularly if it were as minor as his healing
talent.  Even if it were not, the inference I made from Savil's sending
Van to Bardic for testing (in MPawn) is that a bard may not be able to
directly sense his or her own gift (Stefen's inability to ease his own
pain with his talent substantiates this). So, if Van was operating on the
assumption that he *didn't* have the gift (based on Breda's diagnosis), he
might assume that any audience response he got was solely due to his
technical skill (which was quite high).  Thus, he would tell Medren that
he didn't have the gift, because, AFAHK, it would be true.

Kewl idea, Liseth.  And for a few others on the list (you know who you
are! *grin*), this is a classic case in point of the benefits of
re-hashing old "done to death" topics with newcomers to the list.  You
never know when a new idea will crop up.  Yey! =)  We still need a FAQ, of
course, but even a FAQ shouldn't mean that a topic is closed.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 02:14:56 UT
From: "Brooke Shapiro" <Mara_S-+AT+-msn.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: OAM???
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199702120216310312-+AT+-msn.com>

Neither have I..just joined today! let me know when you find out:)
Mara

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From: 	mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk on behalf of Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com
Sent: 	Tuesday, February 11, 1997 6:43 PM
To: 	Brooke Shapiro
Subject: 	Re: OAM???

Er... pardon me for sounding so absolutely dense, but just what does OAM
stand for.  If you haven't guessed, I'm very new to this list and haven't
sorted out the jargon yet...

Thanks,
Kerellsen
(mother of three and owned by two cats...)


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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 02:14:19 UT
From: "Brooke Shapiro" <Mara_S-+AT+-msn.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: FIREROSE
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199702120216300160-+AT+-msn.com>

((I was thinking about reading it..but it seemed like such a switch from the 
Bardic and Herald stuff...but then again i do like the Diana Tregarde 
mysterys, and that is kinda different too...guess I'll have to read it..: 
Mara))

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From: 	mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk on behalf of Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com
Sent: 	Tuesday, February 11, 1997 6:47 PM
To: 	Brooke Shapiro
Subject: 	Re: FIREROSE

In a message dated 97-02-07 23:01:15 EST, you write:

<< The

-I-was-stupid-and-took-out-a-good-book-on-a-school-night-and-read-it-from-cove

 r-to-cover-until-five-in-the-morning-Shy'hawk >>


It's nice to know that I'm not the only person who did that when FIREROSE
came out!  Only I started it on the Saturday night of a Navy Reserve Drill
Weekend when I had to be up at four in the morning!   YIIIIIIIIIIII!   

It was worth it.  I must admit that I really appreciated the fact that Misty
got the details on the period clothing right.  I do historical costuming as a
hobby (when I can pry myself away from Misty's books!) and get so disgusted
by most author's half-baked ideas on what men and women wore and how they
wore it.  Someone once described a seduction scene set in the 1500s in
England, in winter--- and the characters had undressed themselves/each other
in less than three minutes.  Having worn an accurately made Tudor for an SCA
event, I KNOW it takes at least fifteen minutes and the help of a lady's maid
and/or a willing significant other to assist in getting in or out of the
thing.  And that's when you don't run into problems with knotted corset
strings and sopping wet underskirt hems!   :)

I've toured a house that was built by a rail baron once and I found myself
picturing the luxury there while I was reading about the mansion.  But I'm
sure Jason's home was in much better taste than the one I saw!

Looking forward to more books in this particular desmene!

Cheers!
Kerellsen


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:04:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I had to change it to something
Message-ID: <970211220130_1448327341-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

Hello, i am quite new to the group, but I do remember that in Mpromise Savil
indicated that Vanial had almost all the gifts, including Bardic gift, which
she comented to rather ironic.  Hope tht helps...  : )

                                     GB

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