MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1107 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) My Goof! by Matthew Palco 2) re: names (Oops!) by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 3) Karal as Son of the Sun & Real-life lifebonds by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 4) Re: Karal by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" 5) Re: Karal by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" 6) Re: Prices paid for growth and happiness... by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" 7) Karal/Artisians/Gods & Avatars (was Re: Karal) by Ken Hyde 8) formal Introduction by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" 9) Re: HTH Gods. by DC Kincaid 10) Re: lifebonds... a query by Jennifer 11) Re: Valdemar gods by "Sera" 12) Re: braid ahoy: names/FireRose by Tammy Harris 13) fluff/lifebonds by "Hth." 14) Talia/Keren/Bonds by MorningStar 15) Re: braid ahoy: names/FireRose by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" 16) Divine Decree/Rec.'s/Newbies/BDays by Deniz 17) Re: blocked gifts / by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 18) Re: HTH Gods. by Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: lifebonds... a query by DC Kincaid 20) Re: lifebonds... a query by "Ulf G. Dahlmann" 21) Re: Karal/Artisians/Gods & Avatars (was Re: Karal) by Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com 22) Gods/Salamanders by MorningStar 23) This, that & tother by Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:03:49 -0500 From: Matthew Palco To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: My Goof! Message-ID: <330C83F4.17BB-+AT+-concentric.net> O.K. Everyone I goofed. When I thought that Sherill was life bonded to Ylsa instead of Kerren. I didn't think it sounded right. All I can claim is a rusty memory. We old folks tend to develop that problem as we, very ungracefully, slide down the OTHER side of "the hill". I'll try to be a bit more accurate in future. Stupidity is an earned right, not a priviledge! Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 18:07:04 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: re: names (Oops!) Message-ID: <9702201707.AA29420-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Moi: > Non - maybe I need to try and fine tune my non-names - Andy-doodah was > my poor attempt to get to Andesh-somethingorother - the young Karse laddy > who's destined to save the world. Tammy is quite right 'bout the other one Jaguar: > Um. And'esha is the shin'a'in. *Karal* is the "young Karse laddy > who's destined to save the world." For all that And'esha's > bloodlines are screwy, I don't think he's Karsite! Ah - well, yes, what can I say? Books in England, me in Holland? Well it's better than the usual school/home one . Humble apologies for spreading confusion - I'd totally forgotten about Karal - he's not a character that *sings* to me - too young, maybe?! It's because I'm still waiting for Storm 3 - I'll reread 1 and 2 before I read that, but not before - ah me, do we have an Order of Oops here? Maybe I should relent and claim a Godhood - Goddess of Terminal Memory Failure, or Goddess of No Names Today? Jag, thanks for the memory kick, ciao ciao Esmeralda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:07:02 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: Mercedes-Lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Karal as Son of the Sun & Real-life lifebonds Message-ID: Hey all! I can see a really cool short story or stand-alone novel along the lines of Andrew Greeley's _White Smoke_ (fictional account of the next papal conclave). It would be set thirty-five years in the future, and Solaris has just died or retired or whatever, and they attempt to force the Son-ship on Karal (cause he's just such a wonderful guy). But they'll need someone with, I think, a better developed sense of politics. I mean, Karal functions at court and everything, and everything, but he doesn't really *like* the political maneuvering. On the real-life lifebond front, let me just say that I've been involved in the closest thing this universe has to that. I got out. I decided that I felt the same way about those things that Silverfox does. (re the quote in Storm Rising). Well, that's all for now. Zhai'helleva-- Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:06:32 CST From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Karal Message-ID: <4A5F7337358-+AT+-cottey.edu> I don't know about Karal being a sun priest or anything because I am just now on the second book of the storm series. but as far as firecats go, they said in the first book that usually the firecats stick to the sun priest but it is known that when someone representing Karse was in trouble or needed some guidance that they could not get from Solaris herself because of distance or whatever a firecat was sent to help them and with the alliance being so shaky and important a firecat was obviously needed so that is why Altra was sent to Karal. Though there could be hinden reasons that are not known yet. Just my opinion. Christy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:15:32 CST From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Karal Message-ID: <4A61D2F4C35-+AT+-cottey.edu> You have some very good points on Karal. I agree I think that he is definately destined for something special but I do not think that he will be a son of the sun. I am only through the second book of the Mage Storms as I have said in a previous post on the list and I also already stated my opinion on Karal and Altra but I think that Karal is VERY important to the alliance and the final breakthrough on what to do about the Storms. I can't wait to finish this book and get on to the last one!! MY thoughts Christy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:16:35 CST From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Prices paid for growth and happiness... Message-ID: <4A6221B4405-+AT+-cottey.edu> > > No, I believe it's just her... out in paperback now; not part of a > series, but IMO, a fairly good read. :) What is IMO?? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:29:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Karal/Artisians/Gods & Avatars (was Re: Karal) Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > After all he is God touched... as Andesha pointed out... The Mage (who has been standing around being "fierce and impressive looking") loses his composure is a major LOL fit! You do know that in a lot dialects of English and in other languages "god-touched" means "insane"? =) *has a total giggle fest at the contention that Karal is insane--well, okay, he could have used a few pointers on how to dress--that black and gold...what are we trying to say here, sweetie?...Oral Roberts University?...and all that jewelry?!...Puh-lease, can you say "Mr.T"?!?* Anyway, now that I am back from channeling Mr. Blackwell...I just wanted to say that I am not disagreeing. I am just being giggly. > Also look at the similarities of Vkandis' female counter part..Her name > is *Kalanel* doesn't it strike you that one of the Shin' a' in Goddess' > aspcts is know as *Kalenel* (we know her better as the Stareyed), and her > Goddes chosen, as the Kalenedral?...think about it for a minute... Actually, the Goddess of the Shin'a'in is known as Kal'enel, and supposed means something like "Sword of Stars." The Kal'enedral are the Sword-Sworn, and we are led to suspect that "kal'en" means "sword." From other words (which I don't have with me at the moment, but I can give if people are interested), it is clear that Misty has a root *edr in her languages that means something like "sibling" or "bonded." However, given that Kal'enel is a title that means something in Shin'a'in, I would be dubious of saying that "Kalenel" in Karsite is related. I think that there is evidence that Karsite and Shin'a'in are not related languages (maybe I'm wrong though...little warning bells are going off in the back of my mind). Of course, given Misty's general expertise in language theory (Gods, but I am a snippy little bitch sometimes, aren't I? *giggle*), I don't suppose there is any reason to expect that her languages would work like real languages or have the same constraints. > PS is there anyone out there in charge of Artisians?... Would this be the wells or the craftsmen? If you are an Artesian well in training (perhaps starting out as seepage and working your way up to fountain), you should probably talk to the Goddess of Fields and Fens or the Goddess of Water. If you are an Artisan in training, it would depend on what art you are learning. Makers of musical instruments would be within the perview of Lady Sofia, the Goddess of Music and Song. Unless you actually want to be deity in your own right, I have very little to say about it. BTW, for everyone who has been waiting patiently (and that Oz-boy who hasn't--you know who you are!) for the Avatar to get back on the job, I will be compiling a new Naming Ceremony in the next week. If you have been toying with the idea of petitioning a naming, please let me know. Also, for all of the existing Gods and Goddesses, a new feature/power: you can name someone as your avatar (the same way that you can name a priest(ess)). For example, I could name someone as the Avatar of Judgement. Avatars can subsequently (with the approval of their God) request Naming to Godhead of whatever they are Avatar of. For new and hopefully aspirants: if you want to be the God of something which is already the part of the demesne of an existing God, you can petition them directly for Avatar status. I will not name people to Godhead of demesnes that are subsumed under an existing God(ess) unless this procedure has been followed, though. As always, requests and petitions (both to myself and to other Gods and Goddesses) should be done *OFF LIST*! The Godhead thing is fun and adds an element of whimsy, but lets not spam the entire list and make Auntie Mel, the List Goddess, cranky. =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:27:02 CST From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: formal Introduction Message-ID: <4A64E675A78-+AT+-cottey.edu> Okay I have posted my opinion on this list a few times now and I have casually introduced myself but I have not formally introduced myself. My name is Christy Goldbach. When I chat on other lines I go by one of two names, Buttercup from the Princess Bride (One of my all time favorite movies) and Elspeth (representing my love for ML books). I also go by Chris by everyday people. I am 20 years old and I am currently attending a college in Missouri. I am studying to be a Photographer. I first learned about Misty and her works through my blood sister (not biological) who began reading the Last Herald Mage and raved on it. I then had to read it because of the way she talked about it. I was instantly hooked. Misty actually made me cry when Tylendel died and that just does not happen when I read books or any other time. She made me feel as if i was right there and involved in it all. I feel drained when I finish a series and I am satisfied yet at the same time I wasnt to know what happens to some of the characters next? I get very wrapped up in the characters' lives that I want more. I have read Misty books ever since and that was approximately four and a half years ago. Well, there is a little insight on this newbie. Zhai'helleva Christy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:02:08 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HTH Gods. Message-ID: <330C9FAF.1A5C-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> > Do Deities do PhD or Honours theses? > > Chilling? Not if you assume I'm kidding. Wish I was. > > "We are dust and shadows, under the naked light. > We are dust and shadows, wishing that everything stood still tonight > We are dust and shadows, the dream of history > We are the hungry ghosts, crying "Remember me!" " > --Shriekback, "Dust and Shadows" It is only chilling because you can see it happening in real life... Satan: That Job character loves you, but let me screw around with his life and he will curse the day he was born and You in nothing flat. God: Not Job, but just to prove you wrong, go ahead, kill off his family, rob him of his Porsche and the big house, get the IRS on his back, just don't kill him. Sigh... At least the Star Eyed comes around and visits and lets you have a bit of a chat now and then. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:59:42 -0600 From: Jennifer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <199702201902.NAA84056-+AT+-audumla.students.wisc.edu> At 01:29 AM 2/20/97 GMT,Chrys wrote: >Do you think that lifebonds are possible?? I mean, real life two people >being bound together far beyond love...? Good question, Chrys. I personally don't think so. It's romantic and all, but I don't think it could actually exist in our world. I've always equated Misty's lifebond to the ElfQuest concept of Recognition. The lifebonded (or Recognized) pair is tied together in such a way that their souls are one. They feel each other's feelings, and can't bear to be away from one another. I know I'm going to sound terribly unromantic and practical here. I don't even think that lifebonds would be preferable. Stefen complains in WofFury that being lifebonded can be a real pain because you share emotion. To me this sounds an awful lot like co-dependency. This is not only unhealthy, but it could be very damaging to a relationship, even one based on strong love. I think the concept of lifebonds works in fantasy novels because the author has the ability to keep the relationships from becoming twisted. In real life, this would never work, and Vanyel and Stefen/Tylendel would be seeing a shrink. I'm ready to duck if I've offended anyone... Zhai'helleva, Lady Guenevere Knight-errant to the OAM Witch and Keeper of Gargoyles Mistress of fire-lizards and Dragons ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:17:56 CST From: "Sera" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar gods Message-ID: Mist fox wrote: > You know, this talk of gods got me thinking about the time when > Talia and Skif were "trying to be more than friends." I got the > impression that Misty was letting us-the audience know that > something/someone was interfering to keep them apart and that > everything calmed down and went back to normal when Skif and Talia > backed off to being "just friends." Sounded like god type meddling > to me instead of Companions. But why was it so important that they > not become lovers? To save Talia for Kris? Why? Anybody have > any ideas? OK, I'm not sure, but this is my opinion...I think that the gods were meddling in their own way because nothing implies that it was the Companions, besides the fact that the Companions try not to meddle. I think that the importance of them not becoming lovers was because the deep friendship was needed more. If they became lovers and then broke apart, depending on how that happened, there might have been soem resentment on both sides that would effect the friendship. I think Misty wanted to be certain that the closeness of friends was unquestionable and some readers might have questioned it if they were lovers that separated. Talia and Skif always had a "best friend" type of love that grew, but not into lovers. The friendship the Talia and Kris shared naturally grew into that felt between lovers. The only thing I can compare it to is my best friend who is male. The two of us thought about dating, but it didn't work. However, my other good friend and I had a wonderful friendship and eventually we dated. I had quite a few similar incidents with my best friend that Talia and Skif went through, bu that doesn't mean my God was meddling and saving me for my other friend, does it? Just My Two Cents Worth, Sera * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Truly you have a dizzying intellect." The Princess Bride "On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essential est invisible pour les yeux." Le Petit Prince Antoine de Saint-Exupery * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Liz Blaszak Goddess of the Eventide Apprentice to the Guild of Typoists blaszael-+AT+-email.rosary.edu http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3772/ http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/4537/ (708) 524-6997 X2076 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:23:05 -0500 From: Tammy Harris To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braid ahoy: names/FireRose Message-ID: Esmerelda wrote: > > Now now, just because I don't go a bundle on blond men don't mean > > you all need to get riled - I thought Inthingyy Montoya (or > > whatever - "you killed my father. Prepare to die",as played by > > Mandy Pantisomething) was brill - I really do not find smooth > > chested blondes attractive, be they male or female, ;> Gary, Cary, > > Schmary - it's only a consonent! And Jaguar responded: > Inigo Montoya, played by Mandy Patinkin, now of Chicago Hope, I > think. He also starred in Evita, way back when it was on stage. (Opposite Patty Lu Pone, in case anyone was wondering.) Ezzie, if you thought he was good as Inigo, you should hear him sing!! ================ Esme also wrote: > ah-ha! I have a name ...... almost > I wrote: > > from Storm 1, the one who flips at Andy-doodah - oh grief, why do I > > bother? The one who accuses our young hero of being a Karse spy, or > > something. > Jag wrote something, I think about another of my nameless Wossisname > or Thingummy mails, and Tammy wrote: > > > I hate to contradict you Jag, but Whasis-face / Andy-doodah is the > > Shin'a'in embassador, whose name is something like Jaichim. > > Non - maybe I need to try and fine tune my non-names - Andy-doodah was > my poor attempt to get to Andesh-somethingorother - the young Karse laddy > who's destined to save the world. Tammy is quite right 'bout the other one > tho' - twas indeed the Shinaninny guy I was trying to identify. Some days > I get such total name block, I don't bother to mail - more often I know > it's An..... or Shin..... or Black, no Dark....... And Jag came back with: > And'esha wasn't the shin'a'in ambassador,and I didn't write that he > was! Flat blasphemy! No.. and I can't remember the > ambassador's name either. My mistake, my mistake! I didn't mean to say you did. I didn't realize you were talking about a different Whasis-face (who was, indeed, Firesong). You wouldn't hold it against your fellow Cat and Lady, would you??? So, to clear up the Doodits and Whasis's, the Shin'a'in embassador Jarim (I checked!) got upset at An'desha when he stood up for Karal ("Karse laddy destined to save the world"), who Jarim had accused of being a spy. Better? ================ Esme once again: > Richard was asking about a possible oops in Fire Rose - I felt that the > significant bit was "this was the eyes and ears of the mage who had > conjured it." I reckon the see all/hear all bit applied only to that > Firemaster's creations - not all Firemasters' creations. 's what I > reckoned anyhow. I thought about that, but then I reread the part that said "He was a Firemaster, and all creatures of the element of flame answered to him. What one saw, all saw." Hard to say for sure. Hasta la vista! Tammy "It's time to ask yourself what you believe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:39:33 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: fluff/lifebonds Message-ID: <20FEB97.15832159.0034.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> Kerry! Oooh, I have chills. The cynicism -- the sociology -- and even a What She Said for good measure. So nice to know I'm not the only surly socioreligious malcontent out there. Hi, GB. Always nice to see other people on the list with unpronouncable consonant combinations as sigs.... Mandy Patinkin played Inigo Montoya, and he was on Chicago Hope, though no longer (I think he does the occasional guest appearance). He is also one of the Big Names in musical theater: check him out with Patti LuPone in *Evita* or as Archibald Craven in the musical version of *The Secret Garden.* Most good record stores (are you still allowed to call them that, now that they only sell tapes and CDs? CD store doesn't sound right) have a cache of his music hidden under Adult or Popular or whatever they call that section where you get your Barry Manilow and Barbra Streisand. (What do you mean, you don't? Hmph.) He's a major Stephen Sondheim fan and has probably recorded everything Sondheim ever wrote for the male voice (including a spiffy trio from *Pacific Overtures* that he sings all by himself). Anyway, he's pretty cool. I don't believe in "lifebonds" as a literal concept, in the way that Misty describes them. A lifebond involves a psychic link, and a broken lifebond is a physical and psychic as well as emotional trauma. Sure, I know of people who die shortly after their mates -- my grandmother was one of them -- but from what I've seen and heard, it seems to be a matter of acute depression, of "losing the will to live." What kills someone when their lifebonded dies is the severe shock of the literal rending of a tangible bond, and that I've never heard of in the real world (which isn't to say it's never happened, just that, well, I'm not in the habit of believing that things exist just because they might exist. Sorry.) Which is not to say that I don't believe that some people have an especially deep and intimate kind of love, perhaps even "belong" together in some kind of destined way, certainly change each other profoundly and incorporate each other into the most intimate aspects of their life and personality and come to depend on the synergy of the relationship. Poetically speaking, that's a kind of "lifebond." I once heard my father talk about the night he realized he loved my mother (he was seventeen at the time and is now fifty), and suddenly understanding with perfect clarity that they were *together* in a way that made them indivisible by any means, forever, and over thirty years later, that hasn't changed. While there's no magical or psychic component, there's certainly a "lifebond" there, if only in the sense of a bond for life. BTW, I've heard a couple of people say that love is different from a lifebond because you have to work hard for love and constantly maintain the relationship. I don't think a lifebond is really any different. Occasionally people in the books claim that lifebonded mates are somehow in rapt communication with one another, that they feel and understand each other intimately. If that's the case, I hardly understand how Talia and Dirk went so many years without realizing how the other felt about them. I think Valdemarans tend to romanticize lifebondings just like we romanticize true love, ignoring the reality that either kind of relationship takes care and nurturance, which includes learning to talk and listen. HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu "Mark how beautiful an order has sprung from the dust and blood of this fierce chaos!" --Percy Bysshe Shelley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:36:41 -0800 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Talia/Keren/Bonds Message-ID: <330CD1F6.266B-+AT+-geocities.com> I'm sorry if you get this twice... I've been trying to send it since last night! I'm in a textevd mood tonight... Actually, I decided to throw some answers in the Talia thing. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Talia had Empathy and MindHealing. TextEvd HERE! Star whips out a tattered paperback of Arrow's Flight and turns to page 151, where Kerithwyn is asking Kris and Talia if they can assist Healing. Kerithwyn turned to look at Talia, her look oddly measuring. She swallowed hard, but answered. "I've never tried, but my Gifts are Empathy and Mindhealing. My instructor said they were Healing types." So there...! She had those gifts, and could assist Healers. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Melissa said: > Sherri knew what had happened to Ylsa because of their lifbond. > However, Talia, Dirk, and Kris combined their efforts to "Fetch" Ylsa's > arrows to get the message to the Queen. Sherri just got cought up in > the "vortex" of Ylsa death, and Sherri's twin helped to get her to come > back to herself. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. It was Keren who was initially lifebonded to Ylsa. When Ylsa died, Keren was lost without her as the third corner to her "tripod of stability," those being her Companion Dantris, her twin Teren, and Ylsa. Talia found her in a comatose state, and her twin as well, caught in her grief. She got Teren out on her own, but got Sherril to help get Keren back. After that happened, THEN the others came and asked Talia to help them figure out the message that was the arrows, and she linked to help find them so Kris could See them and Dirk could Fetch them. Yes? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- On the lifebond question... Yes, I believe in them. I also believe in bonds of other sorts, such as between close friends. Laters! Star ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:26:54 CST From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: braid ahoy: names/FireRose Message-ID: <4A94E05284B-+AT+-cottey.edu> > > > from Storm 1, the one who flips at Andy-doodah - oh grief, why do I > > > bother? The one who accuses our young hero of being a Karse spy, or > > > something. > > or Thingummy mails, and Tammy wrote: > > > > > I hate to contradict you Jag, but Whasis-face / Andy-doodah is the > > > Shin'a'in embassador, whose name is something like Jaichim. > > You are both wrong the young shinin'in's name is Jarim. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 17:24:08 -0500 From: Deniz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Divine Decree/Rec.'s/Newbies/BDays Message-ID: <199702202228.RAA23262-+AT+-sirocco.CC.McGill.CA> A brilliant *CRACK* of lightning and simultaneous *BOOM* of thunder rivets the attention of everyone in the Hall. They are all looking at the stern and resplendent form of the High Priestess of Procrastination, deigning to make a pronouncement, seeing as her God has not gotten around to it yet. Her gaze sweeps the gathered peoples, raking their souls deeply. Satisfied she is now the center of attention, she opens her mouth and speaks. "It has now twice come to pass that my God has been referred to as a Goddess. This is not so. The God all my fellow clergy members and I serve is very definitely a male one, and He likes it that way. (Especially when a certain jade-colored dress gets tossed into the equation)" Deniz, High Priestess of Procrastination, looks around once more, seeing her point has been made. All of a sudden, she loses a certain confidence she had before, and the air seems to run out of her like a balloon. She seems to lose a sense of purpose... then looks at her schoolwork and regains it. "Thank you for your attention. By the way, the special affects are Pat. pending to Mat, used in my position of High Priestess of Procrastination. The Hall seems to still be a little uncertain as to whether or not they may resume discussions, and fidget, starting to glance at the notes they wanted to reply to. Deniz carreses her Pendant of Procrastination, mentally breathing a prayer to her God, and the List finds themselves back to what they were doing before, having procrastinated a bit longer than was intended, and aware of a curious niggling sensation saying, "Mat is a *God*," dismiss it, and proceed. )($#&)&!%*_%*_)$ Petitions and Reccomendations Ashanti (glad to see you made it!) said: >>>The esteemed High-Priestess Deniz can attest to my qualifications as an acolyte.<<< Oooh, Mat! You'll want to take this one! His gate swings your way! Well, it's true! It's not like you'd hide it if he asked! Ahem. I'm not quite sure these are the qualifications Ashanti wished me to point out, though, so I guess I'll mention another. Ashanti finished his big term paper and got it all printed out and handed in 10 minutes before check-in the day it was due. About 6 hours prior to that, he was still working with a rough/first draft. He accomplished this feat in a conference room in the theatre, in between dance sets on the computer (A big heavy Mac) he had brought over from his room. And, of course, there's the first thing I mentioned. ;> Kerellsen wrote: >>>P.S. Is there a diety in charge of late library books?<<< Actually, this would probably fall under the purvey of What'sherName, the Goddess of Tardiness. Unless she comes out soon to say "'tis me", you can ask Cennydd- he's got the big list of all the Deities. Judging by her title, she'll post right after you find out. =) !)(#&%)-+AT+-&)-+AT+-(\ NEWBIES Wow! Every time I turn around, there's a gazillion Newbies popping out of the woodworks! During my Hellweeks, nonetheless. Okay... you new? confused? just want some reading material? Mail me at dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca with !!!NEWBIEFEST!!! as the title (so I don't think it's list mail) and ask for the NewbieFest... please specify one or three parts... the one might be too big for your mailers (close to 20000 bytes) and is provided for those of you who pay per piece. Please remember I am not an automated service, take time to receive and act upon your pleas, and am not psychic, so do not know when a message screws up and doesn't get sent or you get two part twos or what have you. ()$%)($#!!#_ BIRTHDAYS Hmmm... We've got a few more birthdays to go, and then we're done with February. TWO DAY WARNING for VIX (Goddess of Water), who is turning 19 on the 22nd. THREE DAY WARNING for Tensen (whose birthday I *finally* got right, I *hope*). ObMisty: I need one, and I have to run... uhhhh.... errr... well, there's been a lot of discussion on the list, can I sheep out of this? No? Ok... think, think, think... sorry, I've just gone through a final and a midterm these past two days and am in the third day of a sinus/migraine... I really can't think of one now. I'll make it up, I swear! Just not tonight, please? love, Deniz Sarikaya, High Priestess of | Confused about anything on this list? Procrastination, Holy Custodian of | Mail me and ask for the NewbieFest! the B-Day List, Dame of the OoAM, | "Pull yourself together, man!" and Demon of Deceitful Aliases. | -- 3rd Rock From the Sun >dsarik-+AT+-PO-Box.McGill.CA< >freakola-+AT+-geocities.com< >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/9359/< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:18:27 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: blocked gifts / Message-ID: <5AB37416DE-+AT+-future.judson.edu> > Actually the reason that Sherry was able to get throgu to Keren was because > shee too had lifebonded eith Sherry and Ylsa(I remember Talia mentioning that > there's would have been one of those rare three way lifebonds) so it probably > had nothing to do with Sheryls gift, after all she reached Sherryl, the way, > Dirk reached Talia when she was dying. > I'm sure her lifebond did have something to do with it, but after she brought Keren back, it says she had to stay at Haven to receive training for her newly-awakened Gift, so it must have had something to do with it. Jacquelle "You broke your little ships." Lily to Picard Star Trek: First Contact ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:21:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kerellsen-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HTH Gods. Message-ID: <970220192142_850252779-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-02-19 23:43:51 EST, mealink-+AT+-syd.au.swissbank.com (Kerry Mealing) writes: << (And of course the Deities get attached to their cultures. Scientists think monkeys are cute too). >> Ooooh! The whole response had a lot power, and made a frightening amount of sense, but I think this final comment is what raised the hair on the back of my neck! (And I was wearing it in a tight bun at the time!) What a great list this is to bring out so many interesting ideas on Misty's books and their mytho-culture. Cheers! Kerellsen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:20:58 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <330CF87A.3D5A-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> Jennifer wrote: > > At 01:29 AM 2/20/97 GMT,Chrys wrote: > >Do you think that lifebonds are possible?? I mean, real life two people > >being bound together far beyond love...? > I think so... If lifebonds don't exist, then why do some people, on being divided by death from their loved ones simply die shortly themselves? Is it just grief? I've seen this happen before... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:52:51 +0100 From: "Ulf G. Dahlmann" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970221025211.0c7f141a-+AT+-hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> At 01:28 20.02.97 GMT, you wrote: >Hi all.. here's a though for everyone that has been running around in my >head for a while.. it's on the subject of lifebonds... > > Lifebonds, oh definitely possible. Now as some people already mentioned, it does not necessarily have to coincide with love. But then I always ask myself wether there is a lifebond between my ex-boyfriend and me or whether that should rather fall under the category of telepathy and "teleempathy". Anyway we can feel each other and how we are feeling (even though he is an hour drive away, and we have been seperated almost a year). And him not being in my life would be somewhat not complete (this makes finding a boyfriend awfully difficult), yet we know at the same time that at least in this life we are not to be a love couple (it's more brother to brother). I am sure that many people think they are lifebonded and are NOT. Yet I believe it definitely is possible Anyway that's my 2 cents. Ulf -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf aka Vanyel: vanyel-+AT+-compuserve.com valdemar-+AT+-geocities.com vanyel-+AT+-hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de vanyelulf-+AT+-aol.com vanyel-+AT+-cutey.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/2211/ http://members.aol.com/pepverlag2/iglyo/iglyo.html http://members.aol.com/pepverlag/peptop.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Karal/Artisians/Gods & Avatars (was Re: Karal) Message-ID: <970220233518_1812411394-+AT+-emout20.mail.aol.com> Actually, like I said in the introduction, I am an artist- a painter, and I do not think that *bard* extends to these arts, what I am looking for is some one who is in charge of this aspect of the arts...is there any one out there?....GB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:28:39 -0800 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Gods/Salamanders Message-ID: <330D5CB7.3D18-+AT+-geocities.com> Cennydd sez: > Actually, the Goddess of the Shin'a'in is known as Kal'enel, and supposed > means something like "Sword of Stars." The Kal'enedral are the > Sword-Sworn, and we are led to suspect that "kal'en" means "sword." From > other words (which I don't have with me at the moment, but I can give if > people are interested), it is clear that Misty has a root *edr in her > languages that means something like "sibling" or "bonded." However, > given that Kal'enel is a title that means something in Shin'a'in, I would > be dubious of saying that "Kalenel" in Karsite is related. I think that > there is evidence that Karsite and Shin'a'in are not related languages > (maybe I'm wrong though...little warning bells are going off in the back > of my mind). Of course, given Misty's general expertise in language > theory (Gods, but I am a snippy little bitch sometimes, aren't I? > *giggle*), I don't suppose there is any reason to expect that her > languages would work like real languages or have the same constraints. Hmm.. Well.. I have my own theories on the names, borne out by textevd that I don't have but will find for you as soon as possible. However, Kal'enedral means loosely her children, or her younger siblings. And there is textevd which again, I will find either tonight or tomorrow, to support that Vkandis and Kal'enel were consorts and shepherded both the ancestors of the Karsites and the Kaled'a'in. As for Karsite-related languages and Kaled'a'in-rooted languages, I don't know if they're related to each other or not. I haven't seen much either way, and the only real supporting point is "my" theory that Vkandis and Kal'enel were consorts. More when I have textevd. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ On the topic of the Salamanders in Fire Rose, I believe that while, what one saw all saw, there are different levels of control over them and you can't make them tell you what they see. In other words, they might not tell you what another firemaster is up to out of professional courtesy. Maybe? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Ok, well, that's all of my opinions for this reading session! Laters, listsibs! MorningStar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:37:55 -0500 (EST) From: Glithoniel-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: This, that & tother Message-ID: <970221023754_-1809472777-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com> Heather wrote: >>I think it's safe to say that nothing has *ever* happened in the hallowed halls of Valdemaran government that the gods didn't approve.<< I'm afraid I'm going to have to totally disagree with you. Your arguement is mostly based on assumptions. The facts are that the gods(and it was all the gods King Valdemar knew of) sent the Companions, the Companions measure or test somehow the people they choose(there is mention of a specific gift that allows the chosen to bond with the companion. Textual evidence points to a personality requirement at well.). As to more children being chosen before big trouble, that could be a natural phenomenon--like animals preparing for an especially hard or long winter by storing extra food. Companions are intelligent, they may be able to read signs that humans miss. As to constant interference, the Companions rarely interfere. I've always thought of them in terms of Star Trek's Prime Directive. It even took Dirk and Elspeth's willingness to try to rescue Talia for Rolan to interfer! The interference we see in Winds of Fate is abnormal and mostly due to Gwena's influence. It is an abberration.(or a sign of Lackey's declining interest in Valdemar). No, I don't think that the gods take an active part in ruling Valdemar. They may oversee but I don't think they are nearly as active as you suggest. I don't see enough to prove your arguement in the textual evidence. ******* Rowain wrote: >>ObMisty: I just got through giving a speech on Mercedes Lackey and her Gift. Does anyone know if the ability to write wonderful is considered a Gift? If not, can I petition in favor of it being added to the list. I personaly think that it is a talent.<< You could make a good arguement for it. A Gift opens to a person at a certain age. It needs training to use properly. It must be practiced or it will become 'rusty'. Yep, I think writing qualifies. ******* Kerellsen wrote: >>P.S. Is there a diety in charge of late library books? Or would that be an extension of the Goddess of Procrastination? Either way, I'd like to be an acolyte of the appropriate diety. It never fails that when I go to return books to the library, at least one is missing from the shelf I keep them on, and it takes months to find it sometimes...<< Don't you hate when that happens!!! I've taken back books so late that the fees were around $10. The librarian expected me to object. I think I said "That's all?" I am, by the way, the Goddess of Tardiness. I'm always late! Far be it from me to contend over acolytes but Late Library books may or may not fall into my jurisdiction. You decide or request council from the Goddess of Nomenclature. I would not steal a follower from the God of Procrastination since any who tithe to him inevitably let a little drop my way as well. ******* Kerry wrote: >>Tayledras: - Degree of Religious intervention in Govt. Minimal. - Style of Govt. Anarchistic. Authority through personal power. - Degree of Deity interf. Med. - Visibility of Deities. Med.<< Style of Govt is not anarchistic. It is a democracy combined with an oligarchy. You have a Council of Elders that are elected by their peers to their seats. You also have a general Clan meeting over any issue that widely affects the Clan. The Taledras government puts me in mind of the Greek city-states, particularly Athens and Sparta. (I cite Winds of Fate and Winds of Change for text evidence.) ******* Mistfox wrote about Talia & Skif's relationship: >> But why was it so important that they not become lovers? To save Talia for Kris? Why? Anybody have any ideas? Or was it just a case of Misty writing something without really thinking about it 8-)?<< It would be abnormal for even a person like Talia who is shy not to have had any romantic encounters before her internship. It also provides the love element in the first book. You can't have no love relationship at all! That would be unheard of! ******* Good Morning! Glithoniel Goddess of Tardiness, Mistress of Willowhawk, Lady of the Pink Wand "(So priketh hem nature in hir corages),/Than longen folk to goon on pilgrimages" --Geoffry Chaucer (from prologue to The Canterbury Tales) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1107 **********************************