MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1108 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: lifebonds... a query by Chris & Sean Talbot 2) Correction by Jaguar 3) Least favorite Lackey by "M. Judson Goodrich" 4) Re: Least favorite Lackey by Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com 5) Kal'enel/Kalenel by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 6) Re: Least favorite Lackey by Matthew Palco 7) Re: lifebonds... a query by "Vrondi" 8) Re: OOPS/lifebond/languages/web page by brianben-+AT+-erinet.com 9) Re: Kal'enel/Kalenel by LKoveos-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (Lea Koveos) 10) Re: Kal'enel/Kalenel by LKoveos-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (Lea Koveos) 11) Re: lifebonds... a query by Tensen 12) Re: lifebonds... a query by Jaguar 13) Who ya like!!! by Jessica Kelly 14) lifebonds/Karal/Sword of Ice spoiler by John Kara Pekar 15) Re: Who ya like!!! by Matthew Palco 16) Re: Who ya like!!! by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 17) Re: lifebonds... a query by Jessica Kelly 18) Re: Who ya like!!! by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 19) **SWORD OF ICE SPOILER** by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 20) age by John Kara Pekar 21) Re: Least favorite Lackey by Chris Kocher 22) Re: lifebonds... a query by Chris Kocher 23) Re: Least favorite Lackey by "Dawn L. Anderson" 24) Re: age by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 25) Re: Least favorite Lackey by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 26) Re: lifebonds... a query by Chris Kocher 27) Re: This, that & tother by Chris Kocher 28) lifebonds by kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder) 29) Re: age by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:30:08 -0500 From: Chris & Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <199702210730.CAA22189-+AT+-relief.idirect.com> At 07:33 PM 2/20/97 GMT, you wrote: >At 01:29 AM 2/20/97 GMT,Chrys wrote: >>Do you think that lifebonds are possible?? I mean, real life two people >>being bound together far beyond love...? I don't believe they can really be as far as Mercedes makes them out to be. I mean how many people can feel what others are feeling > >Good question, Chrys. I personally don't think so. It's romantic and all, >but I don't think it could actually exist in our world. I've always equated >Misty's lifebond to the ElfQuest concept of Recognition. The lifebonded (or >Recognized) pair is tied together in such a way that their souls are one. That is the way that I have seen it as well. Since you know when your lifebonded is happy or sad. WE can only tell be body langauge and the things that they do. It isn't always that easy to tell since we are adept at hiding emotions as well. More so then in the books, there are many people in here books that feel the emotions of others. >They feel each other's feelings, and can't bear to be away from one another. I felt that way at once. It must have only been love. (smile) I have been in love and it surely isn't the same as lifebonded since you can also be happy even thought hey aren't happy. I know that each couple has ups and downs. So what is happening is that we tell by how they act and reactions they give us. Aistes bonded to Kesta and Wiky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:53:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jaguar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Correction Message-ID: Apparently whoever is in charge of informing the newbies is mistaken.. I have no idea who that is however, so apologies for sending this to the whole list.. *I* am archivist of the MageWars, *I* have apparently taken the mantle of Listmistress in all ways but technical.. so send ME the "I want to subscribe, what is going on here?" e-mail please! Thank you. Love, Jaguar J-------------------------------------------------------------J A Leader of the Cat People * Goddess of Large Hunter Cats * A G Chronicler of the Mage Wars * Lady In Green * Knight of Amb G U er and Marigold * Warrior of Wits * Consort of Gryphons * U A ----------------------------------------------------------- A R "God doesn't exist... except when I need Him." - Brian P. R !-------------------------------------------------------------! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:22:53 -0500 From: "M. Judson Goodrich" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Least favorite Lackey Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970221132253.0068e6c4-+AT+-pop.mv.net> (An old door opens, the smell of old books lies heavy on the air. A young bearded man enters, blue eyes flashing). Greetings all, thought I would post again to ask the dangerous question: What is you're least favorite Lackey story? Granted on a list of this nature its not a question that gets asked often, but I figure gushing about what you think is great, but passions get really involved when you talk about something you don't like. (Which in of itself is a curious statement on the human condition). Anyway for me it has to be Jinx High. Not only was it one of the worst stories that Lackey wrote, but it was pretty bad in general. Personally I think that she started out with a good idea and then someone (a publisher no doubt) rushed her on it. Well now that I've stuck my foot in it... -Kethandral p.s. For those of you who wanted to know where my .sig came from I've altered it just a bit. Enjoy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus Cole to Dr. Franklin in Babylon 5:"A Late Delivery from Avalon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:41:11 -0500 (EST) From: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Least favorite Lackey Message-ID: <970221084111_1181398092-+AT+-emout02.mail.aol.com> So far I must admit that the ML book I liked the least was the Robin and the Kestrel.. GB- Artisian in trainning... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:22:39 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Kal'enel/Kalenel Message-ID: Happy Friday everyone! [And happy weekend to the Listmembers in the UK who should be getting off work in an hour or so!] I thought I'd look at the whole Kal'enel/Kalenel theory. Isn't it *odd* that the Shin'a'in/Telaydras have an all but forgotten male god, while the Karsites have an all but forgotten female goddess? And isn't it interesting that the Karsite's goddess has the exact same name as the Shin'a'in/Telaydras, save for a glottal stop (the apostrophe)? I know when I read about the forgotten consort of Vkandis, and then saw that her name was Kalenel, alarm claxons started going off in my head. Hmm....perhaps in Owlflight we'll learn about V'kandis...? Remember, this isn't the "real world" where coincidences like this are commonplace, this is Velgarth, a land of Misty's devising. If you think about it, coincidence may happen in Velgarth...but not very often. :) Zhai'helleva-- --Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:38:21 -0500 From: Matthew Palco To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Least favorite Lackey Message-ID: <330DC16D.6FF4-+AT+-concentric.net> M. Judson Goodrich wrote: > > > Greetings all, thought I would post again to ask the dangerous question: > > What is you're least favorite Lackey story? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I would have to say my least favorite is Bedlam's Bard. I still have a few more books to go, but so far this one gets my vote. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:07:09 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <199702211610.LAA13578-+AT+-student1.concord.wvnet.edu> > At 01:29 AM 2/20/97 GMT,Chrys wrote: > >Do you think that lifebonds are possible?? I mean, real life two people > >being bound together far beyond love...? I wrote this? when? I think perhaps there's a name mix-up. Or is there actually another Chrys on the list? I thought I was the only one who use that spelling. -Vrondi (a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean) (Bard of Amber and Marigold) Data:"I may be chasing an untamed ornothoid without cause." Dr Crusher: "A wild goose chase?" Data: "Precisely. http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/book ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:24:40 -0800 From: brianben-+AT+-erinet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OOPS/lifebond/languages/web page Message-ID: <330DF678.79AB-+AT+-erinet.com> Esmeralda wrote: , do we have an Order > of Oops here? Maybe I should relent and claim a Godhood - Goddess of > Terminal Memory Failure, or Goddess of No Names Today? The Order of OOPS was basically established for bone-headed and/or stupid chess moves and the players that make them. Maybe you should check with Cennyyd about whether or not there is a God of ordinary Oops. Re: lifebonds I think lifebonds may be possible in this world but that they are exceedingly rare. On the other hand what I'm thinking of as a lifebond may just be a form of telepathy. I'm not going to argue the point either way because I just don't know. Re: Languages It would certainly be nice to be able to write and speak Tayledras as someone suggested recently. However, since Misty isn't a linguist it would be nearly impossible for her to come up with something like that. Perhaps you would settle for being able to speak one of the languages in LoTR. Professor Tolkien was a linguist and I believe he stated somewhere that he wrote the story so that his languages would have a reason to exist. Anyway, that's the best substitute that I can think of. Re: My Web page if anyone has tried to access my web page and not be able to, it was my fault. The address was typed wrong in my signature. It is now correct, so you can get there now. The page isn't nearly finished yet so keep checking back for new stuff. -- ===============================================+ ShadowWolf, God of Stupid Chess Moves | Founder -- Order of Putzer Servants | "Checkmate" -- Garry Kasparov | http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5163 | ===============================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:23:16 -0400 From: LKoveos-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (Lea Koveos) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kal'enel/Kalenel Message-ID: >Happy Friday everyone! > >[And happy weekend to the Listmembers in the UK who should be getting off work >in an hour or so!] > >I thought I'd look at the whole Kal'enel/Kalenel theory. Isn't it *odd* that >the Shin'a'in/Telaydras have an all but forgotten male god, while the Karsites >have an all but forgotten female goddess? And isn't it interesting that the >Karsite's goddess has the exact same name as the Shin'a'in/Telaydras, save >for a >glottal stop (the apostrophe)? I know when I read about the forgotten consort >of Vkandis, and then saw that her name was Kalenel, alarm claxons started >going >off in my head. Hmm....perhaps in Owlflight we'll learn about V'kandis...? > >Remember, this isn't the "real world" where coincidences like this are >commonplace, this is Velgarth, a land of Misty's devising. If you think about >it, coincidence may happen in Velgarth...but not very often. :) > >Zhai'helleva-- >--Icewolf I was wondering if there is anyway that I can cancel my membership. I just don't have any more time to write to you guys. PLease explain to me how I can get out. Thank you. Lea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:13:03 -0400 From: LKoveos-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (Lea Koveos) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kal'enel/Kalenel Message-ID: >>Happy Friday everyone! >> >>[And happy weekend to the Listmembers in the UK who should be getting off work >>in an hour or so!] >> >>I thought I'd look at the whole Kal'enel/Kalenel theory. Isn't it *odd* that >>the Shin'a'in/Telaydras have an all but forgotten male god, while the Karsites >>have an all but forgotten female goddess? And isn't it interesting that the >>Karsite's goddess has the exact same name as the Shin'a'in/Telaydras, save >>for a >>glottal stop (the apostrophe)? I know when I read about the forgotten consort >>of Vkandis, and then saw that her name was Kalenel, alarm claxons started >>going >>off in my head. Hmm....perhaps in Owlflight we'll learn about V'kandis...? >> >>Remember, this isn't the "real world" where coincidences like this are >>commonplace, this is Velgarth, a land of Misty's devising. If you think about >>it, coincidence may happen in Velgarth...but not very often. :) >> >>Zhai'helleva-- >>--Icewolf > > >I was wondering if there is anyway that I can cancel my membership. I just >don't have any more time to write to you guys. PLease explain to me how I >can get out. Thank you. > > Lea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:27:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Chris & Sean Talbot wrote: > At 07:33 PM 2/20/97 GMT, you wrote: > >At 01:29 AM 2/20/97 GMT,Chrys wrote: > >>Do you think that lifebonds are possible?? I mean, real life two people > >>being bound together far beyond love...? > I don't believe they can really be as far as Mercedes makes them out to be. > I mean how many people can feel what others are feeling > Somehow I think many more than you think. Considering I feel the emotions of my jel'endra.. I know Gyr does of his. And so forth. There are at least 3 people on this list that can claim this. At least the bonding. Not lifebonding in the form of love, but in the form of friendship/allied spirits. True, that this list is not really a relative sample group to judge, but I'd say if you could find 3 here, there is enough justification to say it exists. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:43:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jaguar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Tensen wrote: > Somehow I think many more than you think. > Considering I feel the emotions of my jel'endra.. I know Gyr does of > his. And so forth. > There are at least 3 people on this list that can claim this. At least > the bonding. Not lifebonding in the form of love, but in the form of > friendship/allied spirits. True, that this list is not really a relative > sample group to judge, but I'd say if you could find 3 here, there is > enough justification to say it exists. > I thought I was going to stay out of this.. and I *am* going to stay out of the lifebond thing. But I think whether or not one believes in lifebonds also depends on whether or not one believes in paranormal phenomena. I do, to a certain extent (complicated theory involving quantum physics and electromagnetic pulses in the brain and whatnot.. ) and I do believe in the possibility of lifebonding, but I also think it's very easy to fall into the trap, if one believes, of thinking that an intense infatuation or relationship is a lifebond. Just MHO. Oh. Also.. what three people were you thinking of Tensen? Love, Jaguar J-------------------------------------------------------------J A Leader of the Cat People * Goddess of Large Hunter Cats * A G Chronicler of the Mage Wars * Lady In Green * Knight of Amb G U er and Marigold * Warrior of Wits * Consort of Gryphons * U A ----------------------------------------------------------- A R "God doesn't exist... except when I need Him." - Brian P. R !-------------------------------------------------------------! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:50:46 -0800 From: Jessica Kelly To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Who ya like!!! Message-ID: <330E0AA6.1723-+AT+-lakeerie.edu> ok, I need to know...everyone says what their favorite and least favorite books are; but what about characters?? I've picked up that most of you find Vanyel to be uterly to die for but who do you like? Myself; I find that Dark/Songwing tends to be my favorite...what about the rest of ya? Corin of Whispering Winds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:15:29 -0500 From: John Kara Pekar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds/Karal/Sword of Ice spoiler Message-ID: <199702211815.NAA27940-+AT+-sasquatch.crosslink.net> Greetings, all! I've been reading the discussion on lifebonds with great interest...Someone (I'm not sure now who, since I accidentally deleted the message) suggested that lifebonds don't exist in "real" life, because most of the time, people don't die from the psychic shock of their lifebonded's death. I'm not sure the death of one lifebonded partner necessarily results in the death of the other, even in ML's books. Of course, we (the readers) don't have a lot of evidence yet, since we haven't been privy to very many lifebonded-partner deaths. However, the evidence in favor of it *not* requiring or resulting in death is also pretty good. a) Stefan doesn't die, or even come close, following Vanyel's death. In fact, he lives for another 30 or 40 years or so (extrapolating from available evidence at the end of MPrice.) He is grief-stricken, but he isn't dying. And while it takes meeting Van's spirit to help him decide to get on with his life, I think it's clear that Stef wouldn't have just *died* as a result of Van's death. b) IMO, Keren's emotional fragility contributed to her almost-death following Ylsa's death. I wonder whether Ylsa would have done the same, or whether her emotional strength (she strikes me as a very strong person) would have carried her through the grief and shock. Also, don't forget that Keren had been "reaching for" or in mental contact with her lover when Ylsa was attacked; that would have added to the normal grief and loss of bond. c) Vanyel is another special case. When Tylendel died, Van didn't just experience the loss of his lifebonded partner, he also experienced the backlash of reabsorbing all that Gate energy without having the slightest idea of what to do with it, and maybe without being grounded. He suffered the burning or blasting open of all his Channels, and the sudden onslaught of other people's thoughts and emotions. I do think Van might have tried to suicide even if the only thing that had happened was 'Lendel's death, because Van was a bit too dependent on 'Lendel as well as emotionally battered from his own upbringing. But IMHO, what almost killed him was all the other stuff (not to mention getting soaked to the skin and staying out all night on top of it all.) Am I missing any lifebonded-partner deaths? If I'm not, I don't think we have enough evidence yet, since two of the cases involve extraordinary circumstances. And therefore, I don't think that the argument that "lifebonded partners die if their partner does; real people don't; therefore there aren't really lifebonds" holds water. One other thing I wanted to say on the question of lifebonds and their "reality": I've enjoyed hearing from those of you who think you have a lifebond (and I'm not about to argue with you! ) But I think someone also advanced a question about the "psychic" bond between lifebonded. I don't know whether my husband and I are lifebonded or not, but I offer these in evidence: We met at a business conference, spent about a day and a half there together (chastely, if you're dying to know), getting to know and like each other more and more. When he had to leave the conference early, and we said goodbye, it was like half of me was being torn up by the roots. It was all I could do to keep from throwing myself into his arms (and we definitely hadn't progressed to that point yet.) I didn't understand the feeling, and I didn't know I was falling in love with him. I only knew that it hurt to part. Several years later, when we were engaged, we had a near-argument that gave him (temporarily, thank God!) cold feet. I didn't know that, I only knew that the "thread" I usually felt between us felt -- not gone, but somehow wrong...I don't know how to describe it except that it felt as if the phone line was open, but there wasn't anyone there, or as if we'd been facing each other, and now he had turned his back. That hurt, too, and gives me some idea of the agony Lackey is talking about when she described what unacknowledged lifebonded go through. (Fortunately, his feet warmed up again, and so did our "link".) So, I do believe in lifebonds. But I think you ought to test a lifebond for a while, just as you should (IMHO) any other loving relationship, before you commit to it utterly. And you had better be prepared to put at least as much time and effort into maintaining the love relationship as you would if there weren't a "lifebond", or lifebond or not, you'll have trouble. BTW, thanks to Kerellsen for a beautiful description of what a lifebond is in real life! ****** Re Karal, and whether he's likely to become Son of the Sun... Danellb's ('scuse me using the address name, and not your sig -- another lost message) original post suggesting this had a lot of very good points, some of which have also been countered well. My 2 cents worth: I agree that Karal is not tempramentally suited to be Son of the Sun; he isn't up to the political manuevering. That wouldn't make any difference if Vkandis *wanted* him to be Son! However, I don't think Altra is an indication of Karal's future Sonship or lack of it. Altra is with both Karal and Ulrich, but mostly Karal because of how important he will be to the outcome of the mage storm problem (she said, not getting any more specific so as to avoid spoilers.) Altra is there to help Karal, and more broadly all who are trying to counter the mage storms, sent by Vkandis who clearly knows what is coming and at least part of what will be needed to counter it. ****************Sword of Ice Spoiler********************************** Ok, thanks to whatever powers sped up my special order; I've finally read SoI. The one that drove me nuts was the second to last one -- A Song For No One's Mourning -- not because it wasn't a good story (had a flavor of Orson Scott Card, or am I crazy?) but because as *everyone* has pointed out, it really didn't seem to fit into the Velgarth worldview. But what **really** annoyed me about it was that L'lewythi spoke Welsh. Now come on!! There's been no suggestion anywhere in the Lackey books that Velgarth has any connection with a real or alternate Earth. So what is anyone doing speaking an admittedly obscure Earth language?? (OK, I'm not a fluent Welsh speaker, but it follows the construction of the little Welsh I've studied, and I recognize a number of words.) This really irks me. Have I missed something really obvious that would explain why this author chose to use an existing language instead of making one up? Or did he just figure most people wouldn't recognize it, so it wouldn't matter? Or what? (Tirade over. Sorry. ) ***********************end of spoiler****************************************** Wind to thy wings, Kara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:23:16 -0500 From: Matthew Palco To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who ya like!!! Message-ID: <330DE814.EEE-+AT+-concentric.net> Jessica Kelly wrote: > Myself; I find > that Dark/Songwing tends to be my favorite...what about the rest of ya? > > Corin of Whispering Winds Well, other than Vanyel of course, my two favorites are Darkwind and Elspeth. I think their courtship was very realistic. At first their grudging respect for one another, then the hormones start going, then the feather comes out. It was absolutely delightful! Anyone else feel the same? Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:25:36 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Who ya like!!! Message-ID: <199702211824.AA035279457-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> At 06:14 PM 2/21/97 GMT, Jessica Kelly wrote: >ok, I need to know...everyone says what their favorite and least favorite >books are; but what about characters?? I've picked up that most of you >find Vanyel to be uterly to die for but who do you like? Myself; I find >that Dark/Songwing tends to be my favorite...what about the rest of ya? > >Corin of Whispering Winds > > I have to say Kero and Talia, mainly because each represents a part of myself. I also like Skif because I have a soft-spot for humorous, good-hearted rogues (including George from Tamora Peirce's _Song of the Lioness_ quartet). Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:43:19 -0800 From: Jessica Kelly To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <330E16F7.4768-+AT+-lakeerie.edu> I do believe in the possibility of lifebonding, but I also > think it's very easy to fall into the trap, if one believes, of thinking > that an intense infatuation or relationship is a lifebond. Just MHO.! That is entirly possable...I belive I may possably have one, however I don't dwell on it I just wonder every now and then if I do. Corin of Whispering Winds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:57:19 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Re: Who ya like!!! Message-ID: Myself, I absolutely ADORE Savil, with Karal running close behind. :) Zhai'helleva-- --Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:05:51 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: **SWORD OF ICE SPOILER** Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:45:58 +0000 (GMT) Kara wrote: >****************Sword of Ice Spoiler********************************** > >Ok, thanks to whatever powers sped up my special order; I've finally read >SoI. The one that drove me nuts was the second to last one -- A Song For No >One's Mourning -- not because it wasn't a good story (had a flavor of Orson >Scott Card, or am I crazy?) but because as *everyone* has pointed out, it >really didn't seem to fit into the Velgarth worldview. But what **really** >annoyed me about it was that L'lewythi spoke Welsh. Now come on!! There's >been no suggestion anywhere in the Lackey books that Velgarth has any >connection with a real or alternate Earth. So what is anyone doing speaking >an admittedly obscure Earth language?? (OK, I'm not a fluent Welsh speaker, >but it follows the construction of the little Welsh I've studied, and I >recognize a number of words.) This really irks me. Have I missed something >really obvious that would explain why this author chose to use an existing >language instead of making one up? Or did he just figure most people >wouldn't recognize it, so it wouldn't matter? Or what? (Tirade over. >Sorry. ) I think Misty and the Author (forgot his name :P) might have used Welsh because 1. very few people would recognize it, 2. The spelling looks like utter nonsense to those who aren't familiar with it. 3. It's much easier to use an established vocabulary than it is to just make up words. No, you haven't missed anything. Velgarth is still blissfully separate from our little chaotic corner of reality. :) --Icewolf > > >***********************end of spoiler****************************************** > > >Wind to thy wings, > Kara > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:06:43 -0500 From: John Kara Pekar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: age Message-ID: <199702211906.OAA30596-+AT+-sasquatch.crosslink.net> Something's been bothering me...Why are so many of Misty's main characters young (especially the females)? Ok, by Oathbreakers Kethry and Tarma are probably late twenties/early thirties (remember, they got started in their respective careers fairly young). And I'll grant you that Vanyel is in his forties by MPrice. Darkwind is probably in his thirties too. But I can't think of a single main character older than their thirties, other than Van. (I do mean main characters, not major ones; the ones at the real center of the action.) This didn't bother me when I first started reading ML, when I was in my twenties. But as I head for that 'dreade" 35, it's beginning to annoy me a little. Don't women in their forties or fifties have adventures or get involved in the important happenings in their worlds? I'd like to see someone like Solaris or whats-her-name, the Shin'a'in mate of Darkwind's father, as the center of a book now and then. (Of course, this is just IMHO. Any comments?) Kara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:15:48 -0500 From: Chris Kocher To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Least favorite Lackey Message-ID: <330DF464.604E-+AT+-spectra.net> : > > > > What is you're least favorite Lackey story? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------. > > Hmmm... I think _Silver Gryphon_ was my least favorite. For some reason, I just didn't care about the characters as much, and the whole story seemed...rushed somehow. I suppose its one of those things I really can't put my finger on, but that would be my least favorite... Crys -- ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein -------Ask about ordering information for "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:17:42 -0500 From: Chris Kocher To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <330DF4D6.23FB-+AT+-spectra.net> Vrondi wrote: > > > At 01:29 AM 2/20/97 GMT,Chrys wrote: > > I wrote this? when? I think perhaps there's a name mix-up. Or is > there actually another Chrys on the list? > I thought I was the only one who use that spelling. > -Vrondi (a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean) I go by Crys... short for Crystal... and I'm the one who wrote the original message. Would it be less confusing if I go by Crystal here? Makes no difference to me... crys, Crystal, Bard Alyx (QO persona) -- ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein -------Ask about ordering information for "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:13:01 -0600 From: "Dawn L. Anderson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Least favorite Lackey Message-ID: <330DF3BD.49EA-+AT+-win.bright.net> > So far I must admit that the ML book I liked the least was the Robin and the > Kestrel.. > GB- Artisian in trainning... > I have to agree R&K was also one of my least favorite books as well. I just could not get into that book and I really, really tried. Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:30:57 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Re: age Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:30:19 +0000 (GMT) mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk wrote: >Something's been bothering me...Why are so many of Misty's main characters >young (especially the females)? Ok, by Oathbreakers Kethry and Tarma are >probably late twenties/early thirties (remember, they got started in their >respective careers fairly young). And I'll grant you that Vanyel is in his >forties by MPrice. Darkwind is probably in his thirties too. But I can't >think of a single main character older than their thirties, other than Van. >(I do mean main characters, not major ones; the ones at the real center of >the action.) This didn't bother me when I first started reading ML, when I >was in my twenties. But as I head for that 'dreade" 35, it's beginning to >annoy me a little. Don't women in their forties or fifties have adventures >or get involved in the important happenings in their worlds? I'd like to >see someone like Solaris or whats-her-name, the Shin'a'in mate of Darkwind's >father, as the center of a book now and then. (Of course, this is just >IMHO. Any comments?) Hmmm. A good point. Please forgive me, but when I was 13 or so, I read the drivel known as Sweet Valley High. I stopped reading when I reached 16, the age of the twins. Mainly because I could no longer relate. Maybe as Misty gets older, we'll see older heroines. Selenay's slowly but surely getting older. Hmm, in fact, I'd set her at late 30's at the time of the Mage Storms. We just think of her as younger because she just had those twins. I think we forget that women can have children sometimes into their mid forties. What about Savil? I'd call her a main character in Magic's Pawn, and a more-than-major-but-not-quite-main in Promise. Zhai'helleva-- --Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:33:12 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Re: Least favorite Lackey Message-ID: Without a doubt, my least favorite Misty is Fortress of Frost and Fire. Yick! And for a Misty-fouled-up-all-on-her-lonesome-with-no-help-from-a-coauthor, I'd have to say Jinx High. Yeeew. Zhai'helleva-- --Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:45:56 -0500 From: Chris Kocher To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds... a query Message-ID: <330DFB74.1F82-+AT+-spectra.net> > > > > Somehow I think many more than you think. > Considering I feel the emotions of my jel'endra.. I know Gyr does of > his. And so forth. > There are at least 3 people on this list that can claim this. At least > the bonding. Not lifebonding in the form of love, but in the form of > friendship/allied spirits. True, that this list is not really a relative > sample group to judge, but I'd say if you could find 3 here, there is > enough justification to say it exists. > > Tensen Could you explain, in more detail, what you mean when you say you feel each other's emotions? I'm really curious... with Chris, we both feel that we have a special connection to each other, that there is more to us than "just love" ... I don't know about feeling each other's emotions, because we still have moments when we're not sure what the other person is feeling. I do know when he's in a bad mood, or had a bad day... but that could be me reading body language, or just being so attuned to him that I know... I asked the original question because I've read Misty's definition of lifebonds, and just wondered if that could really happen with us. So, with you and others who claim a lifebond, could you detail more to me(us reading this)? Nothing too personal, please don't get me wrong.... I'm just asking on the basis of seeking more ... evidence. :) I'm babbling, hope this made some sense... Crys -- ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein -------Ask about ordering information for "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:53:48 -0500 From: Chris Kocher To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: This, that & tother Message-ID: <330DFD4C.574E-+AT+-spectra.net> > The facts are that the gods(and it was all the > gods King Valdemar knew of) sent the Companions, Hmmm... so, since King Valdemar and Co originally were members of the Eastern Empire, could these gods he prayed to be the "hundred little gods" mentioned later in one of the Mage Winds books? I'll have to research the exact quote for this.... so, we have Karse, the Shin'a'in/Tey'ledras and Iftel possibly "sharing" the same set of gods, and (possibly... I'm not saying this for sure) Valdemar and the Empire sharing the same set?? Or am I being way too analytical??? :) Crys -- ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein -------Ask about ordering information for "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:59:18 -0400 From: kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds Message-ID: Hey All: You don't know me, I'm a newbie but I decided to jump in with both feet, here it goes: On the subject of lifebonds Kara said > most of the time, people >don't die from the psychic shock of their lifebonded's death. I'm not sure >the death of one lifebonded partner necessarily results in the death of the >other, I think that in most cases the remaining partner is not due to physical/psychic shock but due to the fact that they try tue commit suicide by either physical means (Vanyel, slashing his wrists; Stefen,with the argonel) or by willing themselves to death (Shavri and as Keren almost did). Just my two cents. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:40:40 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: age Message-ID: <199702212039.AA024977563-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> >annoy me a little. Don't women in their forties or fifties have adventures >or get involved in the important happenings in their worlds? I'd like to >see someone like Solaris or whats-her-name, the Shin'a'in mate of Darkwind's >father, as the center of a book now and then. (Of course, this is just >IMHO. Any comments?) > There was Savil, and she was a fairly prominent character in the LHM series (and she makes a comeback in BTS ). But, you have a point, and I would love to find out more about Solaris. Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1108 **********************************