MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1114

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Heather's casting experiment
	by "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
  2) Karsite origins/a plea
	by ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com
  3) Sword of Ice ?
	by 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
  4) Welsh Spelling
	by 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
  5) Mardic and Donni
	by 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
  6) RE: Sword of Ice ?
	by ssiira-+AT+-perham.k12.cfa.org
  7) Re: Who ya like!!
	by "Sera" <BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>
  8) Re: What do I read?/Married Women
	by Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com
  9) 
	by Jessica Kelly <jeskelly-+AT+-lakeerie.edu>
 10) lucy lawless
	by kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder)
 11) stuff
	by kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder)
 12) Casting
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 13) sheep/Huff/Dirk/kids & heroic mothers/bits
	by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
 14) Re: Who ya like!!
	by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" <GOLDC970-+AT+-cottey.edu>
 15) Re: Clone Sheep/Government/Languages & Beliefs/Writer's Thoughts/Firebird
	by khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu (Kay Huang Perry)
 16) Re: What do I read?/Married Women
	by EmiGryphon-+AT+-aol.com
 17) Re: Casting
	by Michele and Tony <skarzin-+AT+-soonet.ca>
 18) Re: Heather's casting experiment
	by Faranheit-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: What do I read?/Married Women
	by "Sera" <BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>
 20) Braid:Witchy stuff/ lifebonding/ families
	by Jennifer <jldorn-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>
 21) Re: What do I read?/Married Women -Reply
	by Sharon Lundy <ssl8816-+AT+-wcslc.edu>
 22) Re: Short casting fluff
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 23) Welcome/Wicca/Trekkies(casting fulff)/
	by MorningStar <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
 24) Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!!/Casting/Twin Peaks/Reincarnation
	by myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)

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Date:        Tue, 25 Feb 1997 01:16:41 CST
From: "Hth." <R618-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Heather's casting experiment
Message-ID:  <25FEB97.01380689.0165.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>

To avoid responding a million times, once to each separate casting
suggestion <g>, I thought I'd post my most current version of my ongoing
cast list (which I made up the first time this casting thing happened,
way back when, and have been tinkering with ever since).  No coconuts.

Alberich -- Rutger Hauer
Ancar -- Kiefer Sutherland
An'desha -- Brad Pitt

Daren -- Mel Gibson
Darkwind -- Adrian Paul [yes, he's the Highlander guy]
Dirk -- David Schwimmer

Elcarth -- Jack Lemmon
Eldan -- Harrison Ford
Elspeth (child) -- Kirsten Dunst
Elspeth (adult) -- Samantha Mathis [you know, I just now realized that
they played the same person in *Little Women,* too.  Go figure.]

Falconsbane -- [see An'desha]
Firesong -- Alexander Siddig

Gaytha -- Angela Lansbury

Hulda -- Demi Moore [she's a rotten actress, but Hulda always seemed to
me like the kind of character who *should* be rather over-the-top]

Jadrek -- John Malkovich
Jadus -- Derek Jacobi
Jeri -- Geena Davis
Jisa -- [I don't know her name.  She played Wallace's wife in
*Braveheart* and had a beautiful smile.]

Karal -- Christian Slater
Keren -- Renee Russo
Kerowyn -- Sharon Stone
Kethry -- Michelle Pfeiffer
Kris -- Tom Cruise

Medren (child) -- Jonathan Taylor Thomas [as a favor to my 11 yo sister,
who's mad about him *grin*]
Medren (adult) -- Linus Roache [he was in *Priest.* Wonderful movie.]
Mero -- Bob Hoskins
Moondance -- Kevin Bacon

Natoli -- Winona Ryder [too small a part for such a great actress, but
it's what I went with]
Need (voice) -- Kate Mulgrew
Nyara -- Courtney Love

Orthallen -- Mandy Patinkin

Randale -- Val Kilmer [normally I'm not a big fan, but he played such a
good consumptive in *Tombstone* that I thought the part might suit him]
Rolan (voice) -- James Earl Jones [okay, he's only got like three lines.
But they're very dramatic lines.  You need an awesome voice.]

Savil -- Glenn Close
Selenay -- Jessica Lange
Shavri -- Mary Stuart Masterson
Sherrill -- Julia Roberts
Silverfox -- Lou Diamond Phillips
Skif (child) -- Edward Furlong
Skif (adult) -- Matthew Broderick
Solaris -- Susan Sarandon
Starwind -- Antonio Banderas
Stefan -- Ethan Hawke

Talia -- Clare Danes
Tarma -- Angelica Huston
Teren -- Gary Sinise
Tremane -- Gary Oldman
Treven -- Leonardo di Caprio
Tylendel -- Chris O'Donnell

Ulrich -- Sean Connery

Vanyel -- Michael Praed [that's his name.  The Robin Hood guy.]

Warrl (voice) -- Liam Neeson
Withen -- Patrick Stewart

Yfandes (voice) -- Robin Wright
Ylsa -- Jamie Lee Curtis


By the way, someone said Baron Melles was the best Misty villain?  Why
can't I remember Baron Melles?  Who is he, and when did Heather turn
into a complete moron?  I know I'll smack myself in the head when
someone tells me....


HTH
r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu
"Mark how beautiful an order has sprung from the dust and blood of this
fierce chaos!" --Percy Bysshe Shelley

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:26:30 +0000
From: ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Karsite origins/a plea
Message-ID: <199702251025.CAA19193-+AT+-geocities.com>

>Now, we all know that Valdemar came from the Empire. It would stand 
>to reason that Karse did as well.
Except that they didn't (I'm not sure if SBreaking is outa spoilers 
yet... I refuse to say more). 

I'm gonna renew my plea for trimming quotes and doing braids (a 
reply <with quotes> to two or more messages). If you want a contact 
for help with your mailer email me (ecartier-+AT+-geocities.com) or Deniz 
(dsarik-+AT+-po-box.mcgill.ca) and we'll send you the pertinent 
information. I promise, the people on Deniz's list are friendly and 
helpful (or will be). 

Emily the invisible
Priestess of Procrastination, Computing and Programming
Dame of the OAM
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/7726/
ecartier-+AT+-geocities.com (the one in the header bounces)

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:56:02 +0100
From: 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Sword of Ice ?
Message-ID: <20FD76167C4-+AT+-ghondr.mmu.ac.uk>

I'm way behind on books etc. 
What is "Sword of Ice" and who is it by.
It seems to be Velgarth related from what I can pick up but not by 
Misty.

Please help confused English major in need of Valium.


 
************************************************
Zha'hai'allav'a
Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras 
Kal'enedral [OIB](AKA Jason Stokes)
95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
"If we shadows have offended, think but this and 
all is mended. That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear".
 *Puck, Midsummer Nights Dream*

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:15:42 +0100
From: 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Welsh Spelling
Message-ID: <2102B750272-+AT+-ghondr.mmu.ac.uk>

> From:          Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU
> To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
> Subject:       **SWORD OF ICE SPOILER**

> I think Misty and the Author (forgot his name :P) might have used Welsh because 
> 1. very few people would recognize it, 2. The spelling looks like utter nonsense 
> to those who aren't familiar with it. 3. It's much easier to use an established 
> vocabulary than it is to just make up words.
> 
> No, you haven't missed anything.  Velgarth is still blissfully separate from our 
> little chaotic corner of reality. :)
> 
> --Icewolf 


Examples of Welsh spelling:
Llyfr :- book
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyndrobwllllantysyliogogogoch [I think]
Small town in North Wales. It is a descriptive town name, I don't 
remember the full translation but it starts:-
The church of Saint Mary......... 
I could probably find out for anyone who wants to know.
 Mail Private mode so as not to upset Mel. 

Ydw :- Yes
Croeso :- Welcome
Ddinas :- City.
Ffestiniog :- Town name
Abertawe :- Swansea [ City where I'm from.]
Cwm :- Valley
"LL" is pronounced as "th"
"f" is "v"
"FF" is "f"
"w" is "OO"
The Welsh Alphabet is something like this

A B C CH D DD E F FF G H I L LL M N O P R RH S T U V W Y
There are more letters but it's been so long since I've seen it that 
I've forgotten most of it.
I come from a very Anglisised part of Wales with very few fluent 
Welsh speakers. This really annoys me as part of my heritage is being 
lost and forgotten. { rant over.}

************************************************
Zha'hai'allav'a
Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras 
Kal'enedral [OIB](AKA Jason Stokes)
95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
"If we shadows have offended, think but this and 
all is mended. That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear".
 *Puck, Midsummer Nights Dream*

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:00:22 +0100
From: 95662014 <95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Mardic and Donni
Message-ID: <210E9FD0AE1-+AT+-ghondr.mmu.ac.uk>

> Date:          Sat, 22 Feb 1997 02:36:10 GMT
> Reply-to:      mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
> From:          JAIME HATHAWAY <jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu>
> To:            95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
> Subject:       Re: lifebonds/Karal/Sword of Ice spoiler

> Kara (I think) wrote:
> 
> >> Am I missing any lifebonded-partner deaths?  
> 
> Well, there was Mardic and Donni in LHM that were killed, but I don't 
> remember if they were killed at the same time...I think so, 
> but...anyone have textevd?
> 
> 
Killed in line of duty.
Pulled Fire onto them selves to ave a town.
One of the Karsite mages Van killed was responsible.
MPromise [I think]


************************************************
Zha'hai'allav'a
Kalen Shena Vuysher'edras 
Kal'enedral [OIB](AKA Jason Stokes)
95662014-+AT+-mmu.ac.uk
"If we shadows have offended, think but this and 
all is mended. That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear".
 *Puck, Midsummer Nights Dream*

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:00:56 LCL
From: ssiira-+AT+-perham.k12.cfa.org
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Sword of Ice ?
Message-ID: <199702251356.HAA04871-+AT+-direct.cfa.org>

Sword of ice is a compilation of short stories, all based on the Valdemar series.  Misty co-writes a couple of them. Altogether, not a bad book.



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Date:          Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:41:16 CST
From: "Sera" <BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Who ya like!!
Message-ID: <2CD0266F01-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>

Alanna said:
> 
> Another pretty good series is by Tanya Huff.  Anyone read her Series:
> Sing the Four Quarters, The Fifth Quarter, No Quarter, Anyone.  Well, just
> a thought.
> 
YES!!!!  Those are the first books by Huff that I DID read! I might 
be prejudiced because I havent' come across a book yet that I truly 
disliked, but I really liked that series.
Sera (who felt like a lurker and decided to respond to the first 
thing she saw today)


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:47:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What do I read?/Married Women
Message-ID: <970225094711_-837537102-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-02-25 01:32:46 EST, you write:

<< On 24-FEB-1997 17:47:31.0 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
 |  me>OK.  I'm hopelessly hooked on the Valdemar series.  Unfortunately I
 |  me>read faster than Misty writes. So now what should I read?  Any
 |  me>suggestions? >>
Has anyone read anything by R. A. Salvatore? his books are excellent..

GB Artisian inTraining

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:50:36 -0800
From: Jessica Kelly <jeskelly-+AT+-lakeerie.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Message-ID: <3313266C.7AE7-+AT+-lakeerie.edu>

MorningStar wrote:
> 
> Alanna P Hwang wrote:
> > Another pretty good series is by Tanya Huff.  Anyone read her Series:
> > Sing the Four Quarters, The Fifth Quarter, No Quarter, Anyone.  Well, just
> > a thought.
> 
> Been there, read that, introduced them to Chris, and wrote a brief
> ObMisty comparing the Kigh to the elementals in Fire Rose.<grin>  What
> do you think? Do they compare?
> unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:01:50 -0400
From: kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: lucy lawless
Message-ID: <v01530500af3868fa87af-+AT+-[146.115.204.108]>

>
>I don't really think she could carry off the lack of sexuality,
>but if she could, what about Lucy Lawless for Tarma?
>(ducks the flames)  Ya'll know who she is. Xena.
>Or perhaps this is our Kerowyn?

Yeah she seems to be a good shin'a'in type-golden skin, ice blue eyes,
black hair...and you know when she does the sword stuff in the beginning of
the show..it reminds me of a sword dance

Shadowsong



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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:47:23 -0400
From: kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <v01530500af387e2f46b9-+AT+-[146.115.204.60]>

hey all I just wanted to say a few things:
sorsha said
>ObMisty: Were there ever any seances held in Velgarth?? Or if the mages
>were able to raise the dead?

Remember when Idra died and they did the retribution thing? I think thats
the closest anyone gote to an actual seance, although with all the rebirth
and lesh'ya stuff I don't think they would need to <g>.

Also...people have been asking about favorite passages and stuff and I'd
just like to mention that although this wasn't my favorite passage this did
send chills up my spine ...it was just so..ominous. Page 282,AoQ paperback:
this is where Ylsa is giving Talia a tour of the other gift lessons and
Ylsa says that Griffon has one of the potentially more dangerous gifts
"'He does?  What does he do?' Talia found it hard to envision the
good-natured Griffon as dangerous." this is it, Ylsa says "He's a
Firestarter." OOOOH chills O.K. You can all think I'm odd now.

One more thing I'm appologizing for Lea Koveos whom I accidentally
subscribed (I have no idea how)  I told her how to unsubscribe but its not
working so any messages from her are probably very confused, she thinks
your all crazy (she's right but we don't want it to become common
knowledge) sorry guys

 Shadowsong



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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:13:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Casting
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970225121225.23096A-100000-+AT+-mail.net.sidwell.edu>

On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com wrote:

>      Somebody to play Vanyel...That guy who plays Methos on <Highlander>
> might work, but he'd have to do it in one of the later books.
> 
	<sigh> His name is Peter Wingfield. Personally, I think he'd do
better as Karal. Or someone else soft-spoken but "old"

	The Master Cast List, which I have been compiling since this
thread first appeared <long-suffering *sigh*> is on my page: 
	http://www.sidwell.edu/~rholsen/Velgarth_Casting.html

		 	   Love,
			    Jaguar

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 18:26:47 +0100
From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: sheep/Huff/Dirk/kids & heroic mothers/bits
Message-ID: <9702251726.AA03511-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl>

Greetings

A second attempt, dammed frass'm-ass'm computer decided to go critical on
me and consign a long braid to the ether, depositing a suitably large core 
file in my home directory for good measure. So, this is a potted version,
'cos there was actually something I really wanted to reply to, as opposed to 
a bit of chatter, now all I've got to do is ferret through my "wastebasket"
(ain't computers grand - delete you say, oops you say, ah-ha you say, as you 
retireve it from said bin) - and remember what it was I wrote!

Rhodri wrote:
> Scientists in Sweden (I think) have successfully cloned sheep, the first 
> mammal to be done so. 

Scotland actually, she's called Dolly, and no she doesn't have the mark of
Satan on her - she looks like 95% of the standard, grubby, woolly things
that chomp endessly in fields. Quite how this is going to improve the lot
of the common man escapes me, but then I'm an astrofizzizist. We don't know
nuffink 'bout things like sheep, ;>

==========================================================
Alanna asked:
> Another pretty good series is by Tanya Huff.  Anyone read her Series:
> Sing the Four Quarters, The Fifth Quarter, No Quarter, Anyone.  Well, just
> a thought.

Love 'em, tho' there's those here that don't - dark scowls at those who don't 
think Bannon is the most sexy character written - I know *just* what his
skin would feel and smell like, I don't know quite *why* he appeals to me so
much, but there you go, nowt so queer as folk, as my mama would say!

==========================================================
Dirk? Well I always see Gerard Depardieu, as he was a few years back now. He
was brill in Cyrano de Bergerac, (as was the english translation from the 
french - done by ???Anthony Burgess?????). (What are 5 question marks a sign 
of? See below)

==========================================================
Summerstar asked:
> Now that you mentionit have I ever read an
> adventure, fantasy or no, about a married woman with children?  I'm wracking
> my brain-----nope____I can't think of any <snip>

Well, high adventure and littles don't really go together do they? Little humans
need a long period of nurture, 8, 10, 12 years, before they can be left to fend
successfully for themselves (I'm being general here). Unlike us great lunks, 
who can survive fairly long periods of hunger, thirst, pain, cold, wet, heat,
fear etc etc, little ones can't. They need their food, their blanket-on-which-
all-life-depends, their decent night's sleep, their time to run around and 
shriek. They also make you vulnerable, "Well lookee here, kiddies. Well lady,
why don't you run over there and be nice to the boys, then I wonder whether to 
kill your". Also, the sort of adults who like "living hard, fighting hard and 
playing hard" are not usually the sort you'd ask to babysit.

Nope, littles belong somewhere safe and warm where they can grow as nature
intended. I know that not all do, but what caring mother would subject her
child to campaign life? It comes down to a choice - high adventure or
children - I don't think you can take both and make both work fully. 
(IMO, YMMV)

=====================================================
Kal'enedralKal'enedral ranted:
> I've forgotten most of it. I come from a very Anglisised part of Wales with 
> very few fluent Welsh speakers. This really annoys me as part of my heritage 
> is being lost and forgotten. { rant over.}

Then start remembering it again, and using it - or it will be dead and gone. 
No-one's going to remember it for you.
Oops, sorry, how school-marmish of me, ah well, I'll leave it said.
=====================================================
 

okay - long time I was gone, my stomach wants it's supper, and it's late.

dooie,
Esmeralda Evensbane
"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind."
        -- (Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man)

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Date:          Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:30:08 CST
From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" <GOLDC970-+AT+-cottey.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Who ya like!!
Message-ID: <2F73432A2-+AT+-cottey.edu>


You wrote about the Alanna books:
> If you liked that series, have you tried her new one.  All the old
> characters are featured plus some very interestin new ones.    There's
> Wild Magic, Wolf-Speaker, Emperor Mage, and Realm of the Gods.  They're
> funny and better written than the first series, not that I found any
> problem with the first.  The dialogue is better and you get to re-meet, is
> that a word?, your old favorites.  
> 
>What is the title of the new book?? Who is the Author again?? I 
would love to read it!! It sounds GREAT!! If you tell me the title 
and the Author I will make sure that i go to find it!!

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:39:05 -0600 (CST)
From: khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu (Kay Huang Perry)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Clone Sheep/Government/Languages & Beliefs/Writer's Thoughts/Firebird
Message-ID: <199702251739.AA237872345-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu>

> 
>    Okay, as always, some of this is a tad old, and this time I don't have
> any quotes (just names), so here goes.
>  
>    First off, thanks to modern science, I may present each of you
> with a clone of your favorite sheep. The cloning part is true, I didn't
> make it up. Scientists in Sweden (I think) have successfully cloned

Scotland.

Spencer


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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:31:15 -0500 (EST)
From: EmiGryphon-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What do I read?/Married Women
Message-ID: <970225163106_1114661324-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com>

  Heyla! I'm so unbelievibly happy to have found some people who are just as
involved with Valdemarian life as I am. No one round these parts understands
any of my random babbelings about lifebonds and inteligent animals and
interfering dieties and such. :)~ Well, now I can bother you with those,
can't I??? <<grinning evily>>
  But to introduce myself...
    Everyone calls me Emily, but I like Ashkeiryana better. (It just came to
me one day, and lookie! It even has "ashke" in it. Believe you me, that
wasn't intentional!) Keiry, fur short. I'm 16 and that's OK. I'm sure I was a
Gryphon in some past life, but then again, i'm rather crazy on that account.
My favorite character is Vanyel, but there are so many others!! Hmm.... this
is getting nowhere... ok I give up.
  Has anyone noticed that Misty puts in many, many, many references to Wicca
(it's a religion.. you might know it as 'witchcraft' but it's not
hollywood-pointed hats and warts...) in her books?? i can't think of anything
specific.
  Well, here's my casting comments to you. Like there aren't enough of those
already!
 
 Chantal and Vrondi- Lucy Lawless as Tarma?????? I don't think that would
work at all! She'd miss the priestess and/or the more subtler sides of
Tarma's character completely!!!!! Sure, she's got the eyes for it, but I
think it would be slaughter!
  David Duchovney as Vanyel...hmmm, possible. But he's not as ..um...slight..
as Van is. he's got the face and the mood though! i wonder if he'd grow his
hair....

<< Jonathan Frakes
<<Gosh! He can play a lot of things! I think he could play Ma'ar, too. And
<<Patrick Stewart for ...? something or other. There has to be room for him
<<*somewhere*. Maybe Leonard Nimoy would be good for Withen. Frakes also
<<could be Randale... But he needs to be slightly bratty to be Ancar. Someone
<<slightly bratty --

Nonono! Stewart would make a perfect Withern! Nimoy could be a Hawkbrother...
Mayhap Starwind?...But I doubt anyone else. I think that Frakes could be
Daren. He could be Randale just as eaisily.

<<Gillian Anderson? She's a little old -- I'm all for her playing the older
<<Talia. I know Tal's hair is supposed to be darker, but I think she'd be
<<good.

<<I think if she did her voice the way she did Demona
<<(Gargoyles), she'd be good. Hulda's supposed to be bitchy/sexy/overripe,
<<even. Marina Sirtis would be great!

Yes to both!!!!! those are right!

<<On this point I actually laughed so loud the rest of the family looked at
<<me weird like I had grown horns. She's perfect. I can just imagine her
<<standing there with a big cat (BTW, where's the big, nice cat going to come
<<from?!) giving him the patented "Janeway Look". :) IMO.

Mulgrew was BORN for that role... but as for the cat... i have 2 cats and a
cross between them would produce the perfect one to play taht role!  One is
huge and friendly, and the other is long and sinewy and colored a
reddish-brownish-sunsetish color. (perfect colors to represent Vikandis!)

<<YAY!! I agree with Mark Hamill playing Dirk!!
<<I also stand by my opinion as having Winona Ryder play Elspeth, she's
<<can be pretty plain looking (with the help of make up) and she also has
<<that "young" look about her. She's a great actress and VERY flexible.

Mark Hamill looks so odd now, though! besides, isn't Dirk REALLY tall?? As
for Winnona, she'd be right at home, most definetly!!!!!

<<the Companions could be played by the Lippizanner Stallions!

ROFL! Winterrobin, a stroke of pure genius!!!!!! :)~

Be well, all of you.
~*Ashkeiryana




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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:34:16 -0500
From: Michele and Tony <skarzin-+AT+-soonet.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Casting
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970225163416.00693754-+AT+-soonet.ca>

At 05:44 PM 2/25/97 GMT, you wrote:

Heyla All!

I swore I wasn't going to get involved in this casting
thread, but I just...can't...fight it any longer.<G>
So far as I can tell, no one's suggested this one. How 
about the guy from "The Crying Game", whosis, Jay
Davidson??? as Tarma?  Just a thought.

WTTW,
Michele
Goddess of Botanical Blight



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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:41:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Faranheit-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Heather's casting experiment
Message-ID: <970225163352_850741548-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

I like most of your casting, but I agree with whoever said Alberich should be
Sean Connery. And who is Mandy Patinkin? I agree, *wholeheartedly*, with
Michael Praed as Vanyel. He would be *wonderful* in the part.

Sorry about the *incredibly* short post.

Peony
Dame of the OAM

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Date:          Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:02:32 CST
From: "Sera" <BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What do I read?/Married Women
Message-ID: <342ACD2A3B-+AT+-email.rosary.edu>

Ashkeiryanan said:
>   Has anyone noticed that Misty puts in many, many, many references to Wicca
> (it's a religion.. you might know it as 'witchcraft' but it's not
> hollywood-pointed hats and warts...) in her books?? i can't think of anything
> specific.

I've been noticing the same thing.  I did some research on Wicca and 
every once in a while I would come up with something and 
think...didn't I read that somewhere in a Misty book?!?  No that I am 
putting myself on the spot I can't think of a specific reference, 
just vague memories!  Does anyone else know a reference?
                Sera
                
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:34:36 -0600
From: Jennifer <jldorn-+AT+-students.wisc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid:Witchy stuff/ lifebonding/ families
Message-ID: <199702252237.QAA43452-+AT+-audumla.students.wisc.edu>

 Ashkeiryana said:
>  Has anyone noticed that Misty puts in many, many, many references to
Wicca in her books?? i can't think of anything specific.

As for specifics, how about Diana Tregarde's religion? or the dual deity
nature of most Velgarth religions? Some of those Shin'a'in songs at the end
of Vows and Honor (wind's four quarters,etc) have some definate overtones.
I've long maintained that Misty's information is too good for her to not at
the very least have friends in the Craft.

******************************************************************************'
HTH just ripped me to shreds on the lifebonding thing. Now I feel like I
should explain. 

Yes, I think lifebondings are romantic in Misty's books. I also still think
it's impossible in our world. It *is* possible to have a very deep
connection with someone, love someone very deeply, and want to spend the
rest of your life with someone. 

HTH said:
>This is why I don't quite understand what the concern is that when you
>lifebond you'd end up "stuck" with someone awful. 

My fear was not that you would be "stuck" with someone, rather that the
sharing of emotions seemed like an unhealthy thing to me.

>SO, but I do from time to time tailor my actions so as to make them
>happy, because I'm not happy when the things I do are hurting them.
>That's the nature of all love.

I'm not talking about helping people out or wanting them to be happy. I'm
referring to the loss of self that can happen if you start confusing someone
else's emotions with your own. In Misty's world, it works, because as the
author, she can make sure that doesn't happen. IMO, if both Vanyel and
Lendel had been as unhealthily dependent as Van was, the relationship would
have been bad for both of them. The cycle would have turned on itself.

>And don't swallow this idea of "lifebonded mates just know what the
>other thinks and feels." I don't care where Misty says that, it's not
>what she's showing us.  If Talia and Dirk had any kind of pipeline to

I'm not sure I buy that. No matter what she "demonstrates" she is always
telling us that lifebondeds can do just that. If she shows us something
differently, then it's simple inconsistency, and only she knows which way
they were meant to have been.

>I don't see the lifebond as requiring anyone to be any more co-dependant
>than the next person.  Were Tarma and Kethry co-dependant because they
>depended on each other and dedicated their energies to advancing each
>other's dreams as well as their own?  Did the bond between them (which

Here we have the diference between co-dependency and friendship. It is
possible to help friends out and not be that way. I was merely suggesting
that, in real life, people are alcoholics, drug addicts, whatever, and that
a lifebond has the ability to create the perfect enabler. If you are
continuously putting someone else in front of yourself emotionally,
eventually, you will have a problem. "Bond" or no bond.

>isn't any different from a lifebond, so far as I can tell) make them
>needy or compulsively eager to please?  All it seems to me to take away

No, it doesn't make them that way. I was just saying that real people are
not as perfect as Misty's characters. And people with a tendency to be needy
would be made even more so by such a bond.

>Just my thoughts on lifebonding, of course.  No one's required to think
>it's a blissful idea.  Nothing is to everyone's tastes.  Heck, there are
>some people who don't want to have a lifelong exclusive relationship

I happen to be a firm believer that people have the ability to make
commitments to each other  and keep them even beyond the grave. I just
didn't like the concept of sharing one's mind and emotions. If I ever find
someone I want to spend the rest of my life with, I would much rather have
us be two individuals who love each other and live in harmony rather than
two pieces of one whole.

****************************************************************************
***********

On the subject of families and adventuring. Yes, it's more difficult. I also
think it's still possible. Besides, kids grow up, go to school, etc. Mybe
Misty's just waiting for Talia and Dirk to go on adventures in retirement?
Ok. Maybe not. I just miss Talia.

Just  a thought.

Zhai'helleva,
Lady Guenevere
Knight-errant of the OAM
Witch and Keeper of Gargoyles
Mistress of fire-lizards and Dragons
****************************************************************
     Jennifer Dorn                      jldorn-+AT+-students.wisc.edu

"I worship Nihilos, the Greek god of Atheism."

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:08:03 -0700
From: Sharon Lundy <ssl8816-+AT+-wcslc.edu>
To: BLASZAEL-+AT+-email.rosary.edu, mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: What do I read?/Married Women -Reply
Message-ID: <s3130e7d.018-+AT+-wcslc.edu>

Ashkeiryanan said:
>   Has anyone noticed that Misty puts in many, many, many references
to Wicca

Then Sera said:
>   Does anyone else know a reference?

Yes, I do.  Let me introduce myself, I'm Stormsinger, I hail from the
mundane land of Northern Utah. 

There are quite a few references in the Di Tregarde books.  (Di IS
Wiccan)  And some of the concepts in the Velgarth world, ie. "There is
no one true path to deity."  I don't have my books with me or I would give
text.

Zhai'elleva!!!
Stormsinger

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:49:54 -0500 (EST)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Short casting fluff
Message-ID: <01IFUD9NYOOO9FSR5S-+AT+-delphi.com>

On 25-FEB-1997 01:13:48.7 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
 me>And >Patrick Stewart for ...? something or other. There has to be room
 me>for him >*somewhere*.

No question in my mind...Either Patrick Stewart or George C. Scott were born
to play Tremaine.  (drool)
     Would make this longer but I have to go to work.



     Chantal                                                                                                                                 

`[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:00:02 -0800
From: MorningStar <dawnrain-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Welcome/Wicca/Trekkies(casting fulff)/
Message-ID: <33138B12.3A61-+AT+-geocities.com>

Ashkeiryana wrote:
>   Heyla! I'm so unbelievibly happy to have found some people who are just as
> involved with Valdemarian life as I am. No one round these parts understands
> any of my random babbelings about lifebonds and inteligent animals and
> interfering dieties and such. :)~ Well, now I can bother you with those,
> can't I??? <<grinning evily>>

Hi!  Welcome!<grin>

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>   Has anyone noticed that Misty puts in many, many, many references to Wicca
> (it's a religion.. you might know it as 'witchcraft' but it's not
> hollywood-pointed hats and warts...) in her books?? i can't think of anything
> specific.

Yup yup!  In the Di Tregarde novels, Di *is* Wiccan, if I 'member
right...  And there's flavors of it sometimes in some of the other
books.

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> << Jonathan Frakes
> <<Gosh! He can play a lot of things! I think he could play Ma'ar, too. And
> <<Patrick Stewart for ...? something or other. There has to be room for him
> <<*somewhere*. Maybe Leonard Nimoy would be good for Withen. Frakes also
> <<could be Randale... But he needs to be slightly bratty to be Ancar. Someone
> <<slightly bratty --
> 
> Nonono! Stewart would make a perfect Withern! Nimoy could be a Hawkbrother...
> Mayhap Starwind?...But I doubt anyone else. I think that Frakes could be
> Daren. He could be Randale just as eaisily.

Us Trek fans...<grin>  We oughtta just pull the whole trek cast and find
roles for them in Lackey!(Which is all I'm gonna say about the casting
thing...)

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And apparently that's all I am gonna say for this mail session!
Bye all!
Star

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:20:52 -0600 (CST)
From: myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net (miyako hirao)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!!/Casting/Twin Peaks/Reincarnation
Message-ID: <199702260020.SAA09983-+AT+-cdale3.midwest.net>

RE: Welcome!

Hey Bethany! I'm one of the Resident Trek nuts here... who's the other one,
BTW? I'm completely obsessed with it, completely addicted, and have Trek
stuff all over my room. Anyhoo, heyla!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RE: Your daily dose of Casting
Bethany wrote:
>>>Casting:  Just a little note (and what inspired my to post):  After the 
whole Star Trek list, I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks Alexander 
Siddig would be great as Vanyel (when he's older, he's too old to look 
16... but anyone who's old enough to look 30 is too old to look 
16, IMHO.)  He's gorgeous, has a great accent, and most importantly, he can 
ACT... maybe I only think of him because, on refection, Dr. Bashir 
actually reminds me a lot of Vanyel:  courageous, compassionate, 
arrogant, irritating.  Except he's not a mage, and probably not intested 
in men.  And, while we're on the subject of Garak, Andrew Robinson needs 
a part, too. :)  Maybe as Falconsbane?<<<

*pantpantpant* And when I first saw him, I swore he was gay (maternal unit
still does)-- until on the show he started courting that one Dabo chick,
and I found out that in RL he's hooked up with Nana Visitor. Dr. Bashir
isn't as moody as Vanyel, IMHO, but it's about to change REAL soon... (next
week's ep) The problem would be finding someone who looks like him who
looks 16. But Alexander Siddig is not my ideal Vanyel -- for instance,
Vanyel didn't flirt with every attractive man in sight; rather, he kept
them away. Siddig's character, Dr. Bashir, is a casanova, who went for Dax
at first, then on to that Dabo chick, and he might be single right now...
but he's going on that Capt. Kirk cycle of women. Somehow, that image is
still stuck in my head as Alexander Siddig, though it's only his character.
But if he can pull it off, it's a measure of how good of an actor he really
is. 

As for Andrew Robinson, he'd be great as voice of Aubri, Ancar, and *got
it*!!!! Firesong? How about that? I don't know how he looks in RL, but I
can picture him as Firesong! 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RE: Twin Peaks
Then the Sagely Heather wrote:
>>>Did someone say that David Duchovny wasn't feminine-looking enough to
play Vanyel?  *giggle* You obviously never saw him play the very pretty
transvestite DEA agent on Twin Peaks....<<<

I've seen pictures -- and besides, I didn't say that; I said he looked too
studly (as in not delicate), which I don't mind at all! Is there a video of
that series out there somewhere? If there is, I'd love to get my hands on
several eps... (yes, he made a pretty darn sexy chick!)
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RE: Reincarnation
MorningStar wrote:
>>>ObMisty:  Aww...do I gotta?<grin>  My ObMisty for the day is...<drumroll
please>  What part do you think reincarnation really plays in Misty's
books? Is it just a plot twist to get our attention and tease us?  Did
she decide to use it just for an origin for the majority of Companions? 
Or for Vanyel to have his lifebonded?<<<

Oh, I think it was just to give a desparate chick a chance at an ObMisty <g>. 

I think the Herald reincarnation in Misty's books signifies the Heralds'
loyalty to Valdemar to continue serving as Companions. As for non-Herald
reinc, I think, in the case of Stefen, it was to keep Vanyel from getting
so lonely. If he hadn't been there, there are certain times I could recall
in MPrice where Van could have completely cracked. And it provided the book
with some *real* romance... <grin>
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That's all for today -- I have to get out of this casting thing before
someone puts me in a body cast... <sheeps behind the Ten Forward Bar>.

Love & Logic,

Summersong & Spiffy the Cat,
Goddess of Country Twang&Cowgirl Boots, Sorta-lady of the Pink Wand,
Knightress of the OAM, Trekker Extraordinare
"Cowboys and angels, leather and lace; salt of the earth meets heavenly
grace" -- "Cowboys and Angels" by Garth Brooks
Akiko Hirao <myktshr-+AT+-ldd.net>


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