MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1115 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Wicca by kelara-+AT+-juno.com (Laura M Quimby) 2) Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!! by "Sera" 3) Re: Wicca by DC Kincaid 4) a bit on casting by Lady Ambyrle 5) Re: What do I read?/RA Salvatore by Thomas Watson III 6) Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!! by "Brian Sizemore" 7) Re: Vanyel by "Brian Sizemore" 8) Re: Casting /Klein model by "Brian Sizemore" 9) Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!!/Ahem...;) by Rogue Phoenix and Jasmi 10) Re: Heather's casting experiment by "Brian Sizemore" 11) Re: Karsite origins/a plea by "Brian Sizemore" 12) lifebonds by "Hth." 13) Re: Wicca by Tensen 14) Writer's Thoughts/Tasha Yar/Casting by ahri-+AT+-juno.com (Not Home) 15) Re: Vanyel/Star Trek by Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: Who ya like!!, Silver Griffon in PB - buy it? by "Pamela Lunsford" 17) Re: lifebonds by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> 18) reincarnation/Trek/casting list/lifebonds/ by MorningStar 19) timeline by Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:42:14 EST From: kelara-+AT+-juno.com (Laura M Quimby) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Wicca Message-ID: <19970225.194009.7687.0.Kelara-+AT+-juno.com> Ummmm.....like, hello??? The entire concept of node magic is very similar to Wicca. "Grounding" and "Centering" are both witchy comments. And yes, you may laugh at me, but a hugging a tree is a very conforting and *grounding* experience. The idea that the energies of the planet run in "veins" around the earth and that there are concentrations of this energy (nodes) is why many people believe that Stonehenge and other strange phenomena were built. "Psychic Backlash" is another wiccan type thing, which is why you are trained to sheild yourself (!?!) when performing magic or around other practitioners.... And ya know sumpin' REALLY cool?? Ya know how those who use "Node" magic have silver hair at a very young age?? This same concept is used by many auther (ie, David Eddings' "Polgara" with her white streak.) that using strong magic bleaches your hair is actually relevant in real life. Several of the practitioners I know have white-blonde or silver streaks forming in their early 20's..... Well, I thought it was cool..... ~The Lady G.~ To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target. - Ashleigh Brilliant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:06:51 CST From: "Sera" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!! Message-ID: <373DAA0F85-+AT+-email.rosary.edu> Summersong and Spiffy the Cat said: > Hey Bethany! I'm one of the Resident Trek nuts here... who's the other one, > BTW? I'm completely obsessed with it, completely addicted, and have Trek > stuff all over my room. Anyhoo, heyla! I really don't think there's only ONE other trekker in this group. I know I am DEFINITELY a trekker, but I have also been lurking as of late. I also know that there are quite of few other trekkers here, whether or not they are willing to admit it! Sera and Jasmi * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Truly you have a dizzying intellect." The Princess Bride "On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essential est invisible pour les yeux." Le Petit Prince Antoine de Saint-Exupery * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Liz Blaszak Goddess of the Eventide Apprentice to the Guild of Typoists blaszael-+AT+-email.rosary.edu http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3772/ http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/4537/ (708) 524-6997 X2076 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:33:29 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wicca Message-ID: <331392E9.4E31-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> Laura M Quimby wrote: ... that using strong magic bleaches your hair is actually relevant in real life. Several of the practitioners I know have white-blonde or silver streaks forming in their early 20's.....Well, I thought it was cool..... > Fast Fashion: Too much coffee, sex and crystals (grin)... Interesting - I did not know this! I am very blond, could I be naturally magical? A lot of pagans seem to be shaych or at least more tolerant. I am reformed Protestant/overly tolerant Baptist trained Catholic wanna-be. Mobilis in Mobili Fast Fashion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:53:22 -0600 From: Lady Ambyrle To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: a bit on casting Message-ID: <3313A5A1.244-+AT+-named.dalton.net> Faranheit-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > And who is Mandy Patinkin? he played Inigo Montoya (sp?) in The Princess Bride, and also performed in South Pacific...very talented fellow. i think lucy lawless would be a great tarma, and i, personally, would like to see val kilmer in the role of vanyel. also, wynona was a splendid suggestion...i think there are several roles she could carry off well. Lady Ambyrle Dame of the OAM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:54:53 -0500 From: Thomas Watson III To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: What do I read?/RA Salvatore Message-ID: <331397ED.538A-+AT+-earthlink.net> I've read most. I liked the TSR (AD&D) books, but so far his Crimson Shadow series has been disappointing. Misty is better than any of these. > Has anyone read anything by R. A. Salvatore? ... > > GB Artisian inTraining ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:11:01 -0500 From: "Brian Sizemore" To: Subject: Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!! Message-ID: <199702260215.VAA17908-+AT+-ais.ais-gwd.com> I'm a Trekker. paradox ---------- | From: Sera | To: paradox-+AT+-ais-gwd.com | Subject: Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!! | Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 8:36 PM | | Summersong and Spiffy the Cat said: | > Hey Bethany! I'm one of the Resident Trek nuts here... who's the other one, | > BTW? I'm completely obsessed with it, completely addicted, and have Trek | > stuff all over my room. Anyhoo, heyla! | | | I really don't think there's only ONE other trekker in this group. I | know I am DEFINITELY a trekker, but I have also been lurking as of | late. I also know that there are quite of few other trekkers here, | whether or not they are willing to admit it! | Sera and Jasmi | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:21:24 -0500 From: "Brian Sizemore" To: Subject: Re: Vanyel Message-ID: <199702260225.VAA18039-+AT+-ais.ais-gwd.com> What about Robin Williams as Dirk? paradox ---------- | From: Jessica Kelly | To: paradox-+AT+-ais-gwd.com | Subject: Re: Vanyel | Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 10:27 AM | | David Maginnis wrote: | > | > Hi everyone, | > It's all very well saying this model or that model but | > you forget one question, can they act?. Vanyel is a big part but just a | > pretty face won't cut it. I think who we want to look for is someone who | > can pass for a late teenager but later on pass for someone in their late | > twenties. | > | > moonsight | > This is true, but you jump to the conclusion that someone can't act. No, | just a pretty face won't cut it, but come on! let us have a little | fun!all of this just adds to the package. When you read about Van. you | and any other charactor for that matter you want to be able to see them | in their most perfect form. But since everyone is so terrible with | wanting attractive men on screen- I pose another Question......who should | have the Role as Dirk????? Tread carefully all!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:24:02 -0500 From: "Brian Sizemore" To: Subject: Re: Casting /Klein model Message-ID: <199702260228.VAA18076-+AT+-ais.ais-gwd.com> Lucy works for me paradox ---------- | From: Vrondi | To: paradox-+AT+-ais-gwd.com | Subject: Casting /Klein model | Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 6:29 PM | | I don't really think she could carry off the lack of sexuality, | but if she could, what about Lucy Lawless for Tarma? | (ducks the flames) Ya'll know who she is. Xena. | Or perhaps this is our Kerowyn? | I totally agree for Adrian Paul as Darkwind. And Christopher | Lambert as Tayledras is a terrific idea! | ____________________________________________________________ | The Calvin Klein model that gets kicked by miss Piggy was also in the | movie "How to Make An American Quilt." He was the main character's | summer fling. And on a purely aesthetic basis, I have to aggree he's | gorgeous! | ___________________________________________________________ | -Vrondi (a.k.a Chrys Amy Dean) | (Bard of Amber and Marigold) | Data:"I may be chasing an untamed ornothoid without cause." | Dr Crusher: "A wild goose chase?" | Data: "Precisely. | http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/book ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: Rogue Phoenix and Jasmi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: ANOTHER TREKKER!!!!/Ahem...;) Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Sera wrote: > Summersong and Spiffy the Cat said: > > Hey Bethany! I'm one of the Resident Trek nuts here... who's the other one, *juts hand up immediately* OOOHHH!!! ME!! ME!! I'M A TREKKIE!!!! > > > I really don't think there's only ONE other trekker in this group. I > know I am DEFINITELY a trekker, but I have also been lurking as of > late. I also know that there are quite of few other trekkers here, > whether or not they are willing to admit it! > Sera and Jasmi Ahem, Sera.....I think Shea's gonna get a little miffed at you...;) > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Truly you have a dizzying intellect." > The Princess Bride > > "On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essential est invisible > pour les yeux." > Le Petit Prince > Antoine de Saint-Exupery > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Liz Blaszak > Goddess of the Eventide > Apprentice to the Guild of Typoists > blaszael-+AT+-email.rosary.edu > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/3772/ > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/4537/ > (708) 524-6997 X2076 > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Zhai'helleva ashke' tal'sedr'in" -Old Valdemaran Proverb. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:08:40 -0500 From: "Brian Sizemore" To: Subject: Re: Heather's casting experiment Message-ID: <199702260313.WAA18617-+AT+-ais.ais-gwd.com> Greetings We are paradox. We live, We die, We procreate. Seriously, Paradox is our e-mail and inet name. We are a POLS Major at Lander University in Greenwood, SC. Our first ML books were the Queen's Own, although We read them (and all of the others) in rapid succession until we were caught up at the time (Wind's of Change). We have them all, and have read them all at least twice, but We read so much that We may mix-up a name or two so please don't flame us too bad. Now our thoughts on some of the members of the list: | Ancar -- Kiefer Sutherland Great choice! | An'desha -- Brad Pitt | Daren -- Mel Gibson I like him better as Kris | Darkwind -- Adrian Paul [yes, he's the Highlander guy] | Eldan -- Harrison Ford | Elspeth (child) -- Kirsten Dunst | Elspeth (adult) -- Samantha Mathis | Falconsbane -- [see An'desha] I like Johnathon Frakes here, the others I 've left I like | Jisa -- [I don't know her name. She played Wallace's wife in | *Braveheart* and had a beautiful smile.] | Karal -- Christian Slater | Keren -- Renee Russo | Kerowyn -- Sharon Stone | Kethry -- Michelle Pfeiffer | Kris -- Tom Cruise I think you need to swithch him and Mel | Medren (child) -- Jonathan Taylor Thomas [as a favor to my 11 yo sister, | who's mad about him *grin*] | Medren (adult) -- Linus Roache [he was in *Priest.* Wonderful movie.] | Mero -- Bob Hoskins | Moondance -- Kevin Bacon ????? | Natoli -- Winona Ryder [too small a part for such a great actress, but | it's what I went with] | Need (voice) -- Kate Mulgrew Great pick | Nyara -- Courtney Love This is an insult to Changechild lovers everywhere. She makes a good Mrs. Larry Flint, but I honestly can't see her playing my favorite Valdemar character. She's (Nyara) is too sweet and tragic (in a way). | Randale -- Val Kilmer [normally I'm not a big fan, but he played such a | good consumptive in *Tombstone* that I thought the part might suit him] | Rolan (voice) -- James Earl Jones [okay, he's only got like three lines. | But they're very dramatic lines. You need an awesome voice.] | Sherrill -- Julia Roberts | Silverfox -- Lou Diamond Phillips | Skif (child) -- Edward Furlong | Skif (adult) -- Matthew Broderick | Solaris -- Susan Sarandon | Starwind -- Antonio Banderas | Stefan -- Ethan Hawke | Talia -- Clare Danes Could work | Tarma -- Angelica Huston | Teren -- Gary Sinise | Tylendel -- Chris O'Donnell | Ulrich -- Sean Connery | Vanyel -- Michael Praed [that's his name. The Robin Hood guy.] | Warrl (voice) -- Liam Neeson | Withen -- Patrick Stewart These are good I can't think of many for these, but I haven't been here long and I like a lot of these. What do you think? Paradox -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "It's Green." Motgomery Scott -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:21:04 -0500 From: "Brian Sizemore" To: Subject: Re: Karsite origins/a plea Message-ID: <199702260325.WAA18767-+AT+-ais.ais-gwd.com> ---------- | From: ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com | To: paradox-+AT+-ais-gwd.com | Subject: Karsite origins/a plea | Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 5:38 AM | | >Now, we all know that Valdemar came from the Empire. It would stand | >to reason that Karse did as well. | Except that they didn't (I'm not sure if SBreaking is outa spoilers | yet... I refuse to say more). It never said Karse came from the Empire. Valdemar (the man and his followers) fled the Empire and went as far as they could, well a long, long way. It only stands to reason that there were people there (Karse) to begin with especially since you have the population in the south (White Gryphon) Valdemar may not have ran into anyone bacause people hadn't migrated back after the original Mage Storms. Paradox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:59:38 CST From: "Hth." To: Subject: lifebonds Message-ID: <25FEB97.23753740.0097.MUSIC-+AT+-ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU> Okay, for anyone else who misunderstood, I did *not* "rip Guenevere to shreds." I disagreed, okay? With the obligatory comment at the end about "only my opinion, everyone feels differently, etc. etc." Sometimes it seems like presenting evidence is construed as being hostile. Maybe it was meant in jest, but I've always disliked people accusing me of being mean or violent when I have a different point of view that I try to represent thoroughly and explain why I feel that way. I still dislike it. Please, everyone, don't assume that I or anyone else is jumping on you, flaming you, ripping you to shreds, or any other martial metaphor when they disagree with your comments. There is an interesting point here, though, one that's very relevant to Misty. When an author says one thing and shows another, what are you supposed to believe? Personally, I tend to believe what's demonstrated. After all, we haven't been given a handbook (Herobook: Herald). We only have two real sources of information: what the characters say is true, and what we see in action. What we see in action, we have to believe is happening. I find it easier to say the characters don't seem to know what they're talking about. Either that or the author doesn't, but in that case we're screwed when it comes to making sense out of the whole series, and I prefer not to believe that even if it is true. I do see that if you were constantly in mental rapport with someone else, there'd be a heightened chance that you'd lose the ability to separate your feelings from theirs. However, no lifebonded characters that we have yet seen have been in constant mental rapport. It just doesn't seem to work that way. They have a lot more trouble figuring out what the other is thinking and feeling than what they are thinking and feeling. If anyone can think of a lifebonded couple who seems to have that kind of psychic link, feel free to remind me. Talia & Dirk certainly didn't, Vanyel & his mate didn't -- none of these people even *realized* they were lifebonded until later into the relationship, and you'd think that if someone's every nuance of feeling was suddenly revealed to you, you might be clued in that something was happening. We don't know much about Selenay and Daren, or Mardic and Donni, or the female triad. Mardic and Donni seem to come the closest, but then, they lived together, and people who are that close and know each other well develop the ability to "read" each other quite well without being psychic or soulbonded. So, I'm sorry, but I do not accept that lifebondeds have any special ability to read each other's minds just because so-and-so said it was true. Not when the major lifebonded couples have so much trouble because they're constantly misinterpreting each other's motivations and feelings. Thus, the element of shared minds removed from the picture, I still don't see any reason to assume that a lifebonded couple would be any more likely to be co-dependant than a non-lifebonded couple. I think it would still depend on the people involved and the health of their relationship. Either the characters have an overly-romanticized view of lifebonds, which seems quite possible to me, and don't realize that lifebonded couples have the same problems everyone else does, or Misty can't get her own story straight and doesn't know *what* it's like to be lifebonded. Either way, what is being said is not what is being done, and I lean toward the "actions speak louder than words" philosophy on this one. I am not ripping anyone up. This is just the position that makes the most sense to me. I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'll try to be more agreeable on the next topic. HTH r618-+AT+-academic.truman.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:59:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tensen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wicca Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Laura M Quimby wrote: > > The entire concept of node magic is very similar to Wicca. "Grounding" > and "Centering" are both witchy comments. And yes, you may laugh at me, > but a hugging a tree is a very conforting and *grounding* experience. > The idea that the energies of the planet run in "veins" around the earth > and that there are concentrations of this energy (nodes) is why many > people believe that Stonehenge and other strange phenomena were built. > Yes, very true about the tree hugging. Except folks tend to make all those humorous comments about it, sometimes you have to just spontaneous start laughing, which throws the whole thing off. > And ya know sumpin' REALLY cool?? Ya know how those who use "Node" magic > have silver hair at a very young age?? This same concept is used by many > auther (ie, David Eddings' "Polgara" with her white streak.) that using > strong magic bleaches your hair is actually relevant in real life. > Several of the practitioners I know have white-blonde or silver streaks > forming in their early 20's..... > Hmm, either I've been doing a lot more subconsciously than I thought, or my other belief that its just Wolf playing games again, which is true. Tensen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:00:32 EST From: ahri-+AT+-juno.com (Not Home) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Writer's Thoughts/Tasha Yar/Casting Message-ID: <19970225.225856.7135.0.Ahri-+AT+-juno.com> Rhodri writes: >Moondance and Starwind are, if combined, the same character as Van? >Someone said that Moondance was pompous, we see Van do that if he Nonononono... I said *Starwind* was pompous, not Moondance. I liked Moondance. :) --------------- Summersong writes: >(BTW, I'm still pissed at Tasha >Yar...) PISSED at her?! Why? She was my favourite character on TNG. I really didn't like it when she got killed off... Has anyone considered Paul McGann for Vanyel? He'd need to darken his hair, but he does have the feminine quality and is a rather good actor. Thoughts? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Though my soul may set in darkness/I will rise in perfect light I have loved the stars too fondly/to be fearful of the night." Blessed be, Ahri-+AT+-Juno.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vanyel/Star Trek Message-ID: <970225221720_207137348-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-02-25 21:38:47 EST, you write: << What about Robin Williams as Dirk? paradox >> He's too short, Dirk is supposed to be extremely tall, that's why I like the guy that plays Ned on Ned and Stacey.... Summersong and Spiffy the Cat said: > Hey Bethany! I'm one of the Resident Trek nuts here... who's the other one, > BTW? I'm completely obsessed with it, completely addicted, and have Trek > stuff all over my room. Anyhoo, heyla! >I really don't think there's only ONE other trekker in this group. I >know I am DEFINITELY a trekker, but I have also been lurking as of >late. I also know that there are quite of few other trekkers here, >whether or not they are willing to admit it! > Sera and Jasmi Well I must confess that I have been a Star Trek fan since I learned to speak english(that's mnnn...10 years now...) and I am quite proud of it Thankyou.... GB Artisian in trainning..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 20:20:47 From: "Pamela Lunsford" To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: Who ya like!!, Silver Griffon in PB - buy it? Message-ID: <199702260419.UAA13452-+AT+-nic.greycat.com> On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:21:34 GMT, Alanna P Hwang wrote: >If you liked that series, have you tried her new one. All the old >characters are featured plus some very interestin new ones. There's >Wild Magic, Wolf-Speaker, Emperor Mage, and Realm of the Gods. They're >funny and better written than the first series, not that I found any >problem with the first. The dialogue is better and you get to re-meet, is >that a word?, your old favorites. Oh boy! I can't wait to read them! I loved the Alanna books. Esp the first and last. the middle two were ok... but not terrific. > >Another pretty good series is by Tanya Huff. Anyone read her Series: >Sing the Four Quarters, The Fifth Quarter, No Quarter, Anyone. Well, just >a thought. Yes, I like those too. Have you read Elizabeth Moon's Pakesenarrion trilogy? They are Excellent! I saw the Silver Griffon in the bookstore today. Did anyone like this one? Should I spend the six bucks when payday comes or skip it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ninety-eight percent of the adults in this country are decent hard-working, honest Americans. It's the other lousy two percent that get all the publicity. But then we elected them - Lily Tomlin Pamela -- pam-+AT+-greycat.com http://www.calweb.com/~plunsfrd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:47:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds Message-ID: Ooh, dear. Grumpiness. Communication is a difficult thing, even more so when you're not dealing with people face-to-face... Well, I don't know what to say, being a bit too frazzled to come up with a way to show my faith in my listsibs as persons. Nice folks. ...I'll just pass the salt down to HTH & Guenevere and address the thread itself. [quotes from Heather] [snip] no lifebonded characters > that we have yet seen have been in constant mental rapport. It just > doesn't seem to work that way. They have a lot more trouble figuring > out what the other is thinking and feeling than what they are thinking > and feeling. > > If anyone can think of a lifebonded couple who seems to have that kind > of psychic link, feel free to remind me. Talia & Dirk certainly didn't, > Vanyel & his mate didn't -- none of these people even *realized* they > were lifebonded until later into the relationship, and you'd think that > if someone's every nuance of feeling was suddenly revealed to you, you > might be clued in that something was happening. We only seem to see lifebonded couples in the early stages of their bond. The Chosen-Companion bond takes at least a couple of hours to set in (days, in Van's case). I think that when a psychic bond of any kind (in Velgarth, that is) first forms, there is no telepathic or empathic contact. It has to "mature" first. For lifebonds, it seems to me that the relationship has to be acknowleged by both parties or the bond will not mature. (Remember the Healer luring Dirk into admitting his love for Talia, because it was the only way Dirk could call her back from the Havens? Remember that Van immediately noticed his lifebond to Stef--as soon as he and Stef had been together, even though they'd been displaying the signs of a lifebond before then?) The examples of Talia & Dirk and Van & Stef (or Lendel) are of people who will barely admit they're courting. And then once they fall in love, Misty stops writing the details of their relationships, so we don't get to see them acting like they have a psychic tie. wind to thy wings-- _________________________________________________________________ |*~the Eternally Nourished Lee, Lady Knight of the OAM and OOPS,| |Spreader of Humor, Self-Appointed User of 5-point Vocabulary | |Words Such As "Panegyric"~* <97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu> | \_Meta Geek Code: !gc_____http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:30:27 -0800 From: MorningStar To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: reincarnation/Trek/casting list/lifebonds/ Message-ID: <3313E693.44BB-+AT+-geocities.com> miyako hirao wrote: > RE: Reincarnation > MorningStar wrote: > >>>ObMisty: Aww...do I gotta? My ObMisty for the day is... please> What part do you think reincarnation really plays in Misty's > books? Is it just a plot twist to get our attention and tease us? Did > she decide to use it just for an origin for the majority of Companions? > Or for Vanyel to have his lifebonded?<<< > > Oh, I think it was just to give a desparate chick a chance at an ObMisty . > > I think the Herald reincarnation in Misty's books signifies the Heralds' > loyalty to Valdemar to continue serving as Companions. As for non-Herald > reinc, I think, in the case of Stefen, it was to keep Vanyel from getting > so lonely. If he hadn't been there, there are certain times I could recall > in MPrice where Van could have completely cracked. And it provided the book > with some *real* romance... Possibly... possibly... I'll buy it! Yer right, it was just a desparate ObMisty... Had no real idea what to say. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Bye the bye, I am a Trek-fan... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ I think Anna Paquin(Amy from Fly Away Home) would make a good younger Jisa... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ I think that in a lifebond you can feel some of your bonded's feelings but not all, you might get some idea of what he or she is thinking, but not much... Anyone? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Laters! Star ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: Lee <97jsalaz-+AT+-jasper.uor.edu> To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: timeline Message-ID: Kory's timeline inspired me to look in BtS & Arrows for textevd (all I wanted was to show that Talia couldn't have been at Collegium for 7 years, of course)...and then I went insane!!!!! <---confirmation (Advance apologies for the Tome. Sheeps and refreshments will be served at the end.) Ok, I started with this skeleton of events I'm absolutely sure of: 1270-- Arden & Leesa's coronation. 1315-- Roald's coronation. 1355-- Sendar's coronation. 1359-- Kero's birth. 1376-- Tedrel War ends. Selenay's coronation. Kero's Ride. 1379-- Thanel's death. Faram's coronation. Kero & Daren leave Tarma's tutelage. 1384-- Lerryn dies in Menmellith campaign. 1393-- Ancar uslurps the Hardornen throne and attacks Valdemar. The false female Prophet of Vkandis annexes Menmellith. (slurp=fun word!) 1394-- Skybolts & Rethwellen regulars repulse abovementioned Karsite invasion. ["Rethwellen regulars repulse"...there ought to be something you can do with that phrase...] 1395-- Skybolts, Rethw~n reg~s, & Valdemaran forces repulse Ancar's 2nd invasion of Valdemar. 1402-- WFate begins. The Kero events were easy; she's said to be 17 at the time of the Ride, which BtS textevd bears out as happening the year the Tedrel War ends. The story's events span 15-6 years. She lives at Tarma's 3 yrs (until '79) when Thanel's death indirectly spurs her & Daren's departures from T&K's place, fights with the Skybolts 5 yrs (until '84), and then becomes captain. In the 10th yr of her captaincy she & Daren work together against the Karsites, some 6 mo before the campaign in Valdemar (the former ends midsummer, the latter begins with a midwinter march--events presumably carry over the end of the calendar year; I think the fighting does not start until '95). If Kero's Valdemar campaign is in '95, the previous war 2 yrs earlier must be in '93. I have textevd / pg numbers, if you want proof. Then add in Daren's & Selenay's lives--Daren being about 1 yr younger than Kero, & Sel being no more than 2-3 yrs younger, I decided to arbitrarily say they are both 1 yr younger than Kero. (That makes Sel 16 when she's crowned.) And the Sel-Thanel marriage occurs 2yrs before the end of Kero & Daren's time with Tarma, which would be in '77. (Again, I have pg numbers.) 1360-- Daren & Selenay are born. 1377-- Selenay & Thanel marry. Then things get challenging--throw in Talia... She is 18 when she gets her Whites. Alberich says so, p 13 AFlight. She begins her internship in autumn, a few weeks later, and returns to Haven in a year and a half in the spring, now a few months shy of 20. That whole war thing happens and then she marries Dirk in autumn. 1373-- summer-- Talia is born. 1377-- late summer-- Elspeth is born. 1386-- summer-- Talia turns 13 and gets Chosen. 1387-- winter-- Talia gets dumped in a river. 1389-- winter-- Jadus dies. summer-- Ylsa dies. autumn-- Skif goes on internship w Dirk. 1391-- late summer-- Talia gets Whites; Elspeth (now 13, almost 14) gets Chosen; Skif & Dirk return (a bit late; I assume they were delayed by Skif's injury). autumn-- Talia & Kris go on her internship. 1393-- spring-- Talia & Kris return to Haven. summer-- Ancar's 1st invasion; Talia turns 20; Elspeth turns 16. autumn-- Talia & Dirk marry. The interval from Talia's receiving her Whites at 18 to Ancar's invasion is 2 yrs, so she was 20 when she married. I then counted the years forward and backward from the war to place the dates. AQueen and AFlight do not account for the time between Skif's departure and Talia's promotion, but it can't be shorter than 18 months, and to make it any longer without contradicting the textevd of the passage of seasons, you'd have to stick in a whole extra year. I have textevd for Elspeth turning 14 in late summer of '91, too. AFlight makes her unequivocally 4 years younger than Talia. I don't buy it, but it works with the textevd better than the Concordance's allegation of 6 yrs. But wait! It can get worse! What about Keth, Roald, Megrarthon, Faram? Kory put Keth's birth at 1250 and Obound at 1270. I agree she must have been 20, but...textevd for the date of Obound? Here's what I did: 1275-- Roald & Kethry are born. 1295-- Obound, Keth is 20. 1309-- Jad's birth. 1310-- Obreakers, Keth is 35. Stefensen's coronation. 1345-- Megrarthon "Jad" Jadrevalyn starts his tribe. (At this point he's 36--he could have started much sooner, which need not necessarily have screwed up my estimate of Faram's age, considering the man had 9 daughters.) All of this is wild guess. The only intervals we can be absolutely sure of are the 20yrs b/t Keth's birth and Obound, and the severalmonths or a year between Jad's birth and the overthrow of Raschar. I trimmed 25 yrs off Keth's age, b/c I find her longevity problematic even taking her mage-powers into account. Remember that Tarma, who's not a mage, has to live a ridiculously long time, too. Anyway, making guesses about how old A & L could have been at coronation and death, I figured Roald had to be born between '45 (if they lived a long time and/or had Roald in their teens) and '95 (if they were crowned young and had Roald late in life). Huge window, I know. But because he reigns until 1355, it seemed likely that he could have been born 5 yrs after A & L's coronation, become King at 40, and died at 80. And I figured Keth would be his age or younger since he probably wouldn't have been smitten by an older woman; that's not the pattern in Misty's books. I don't know why, but I always felt Keth was 35 by the time of Idra's death--anybody got textevd for how much time passes b/t Obound & Obreakers? The date Jad begins procreating is another wild guess; he had 12 kids by 3 state marriages w/ Daren as the youngest of the lot. I figured Jad for 15 years at stud (assuming he courted quickly), subtracted from Daren's 1360 b-date, and ta-da. Faram could have been born at this time; that'd make him 31 when Daren goes to Tarma, which does not seem unlikely in light of Daren's comment that Faram was obliged to choose a bride within the year. Anyway, my final timeline looks like this: (And do you really want a headache? Compare BtS to WFate and try to figure out Kra'heera's age!) *1270-- Arden & Leesa's coronation. 1275-- Roald & Kethry are born. 1295-- Obound, Keth is 20. 1309-- Jad's birth. 1310-- Obreakers, Keth is 35. Stefensen's coronation. *1315-- Roald's coronation. 1345-- Megrarthon "Jad" Jadrevalyn starts his tribe. *1355-- Sendar's coronation. *1359-- Kero's birth. 1360-- Daren & Selenay are born. 1373-- Talia is born. *1376-- Tedrel War ends. Selenay's coronation. Kero's Ride. 1377-- Selenay & Thanel marry; Elspeth is born. *1379-- Thanel's death. Faram's coronation. Kero & Daren leave Tarma's tutelage. *1384-- Lerryn dies in Menmellith campaign. 1386-- Talia turns 13 and gets Chosen. 1389-- Jadus & Ylsa die; Skif gets his Whites. 1391-- Talia gets Whites; Elspeth (now 13) gets Chosen. *1393-- Ancar uslurps the Hardornen throne and attacks Valdemar. The false female Prophet of Vkandis annexes Menmellith. (slurp=fun word!) Talia turns 20; Elspeth turns 16; Talia & Dirk marry. *1394-- Skybolts & Rethw~n reg~s repulse abovementioned Karsite invasion. *1395-- Skybolts, Rethw~n reg~s, & Valdemaran forces repulse Ancar's 2nd invasion of Valdemar. 1402-- WFate begins. (The eternally nourished one starts shedding fur at a phenomenal rate when she has to check mail every 4 hours to delete another handful of one-liners that would otherwise cause mailbox overflow and Much Bounced Messages. Sibs, please snip & braid; if you don't know how, ask Deniz to send you the Newbiefest. Or me.) --You didn't think I'd forgotten, did you? have a nice day :) _________________________________________________________________ |*~the Eternally Nourished Lee, Lady Knight of the OAM and OOPS,| |Spreader of Humor, Self-Appointed User of 5-point Vocabulary | |Words Such As "Panegyric"~* <97jsalaz-+AT+-uor.edu> | \_Meta Geek Code: !gc_____http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4709/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1115 **********************************