MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1120 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) S&S/cast/Lammas/movie/ Philosophy/plea by forever waiting 2) Re: chava / boredom / karma by Ken Hyde 3) Re: Casting by Michele and Tony 4) SilverG and older characters/anime as a Misty Movie/Lioness/Drag by ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com 5) Re: lucy lawless by sage.blackhart-+AT+-juno.com (sage f blackhart) 6) Re: Casting by sage.blackhart-+AT+-juno.com (sage f blackhart) 7) Re: SilverG (short) by Megan Schreiber 8) chava / boredom / karma by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com 9) live action possible by MELVIN NEVERGOLD 10) Re: Animated Movie.... by MELVIN NEVERGOLD 11) Witchy stuff / Trekker / Gryphon / Dragons / ... by "Ulf G. Dahlmann" 12) oops by "Connie Prince" 13) Re: Animated Movie.... by DC Kincaid ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 00:38:11 EST From: forever waiting To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: S&S/cast/Lammas/movie/ Philosophy/plea Message-ID: <19970301.003932.11166.0.DyanaLynn-+AT+-juno.com> I have just found a reason to break my silence and come out of semi lurkdom. I'm right this very moment listening to "Across the Borders" by Lief Sorbye. And I think a sigh of pleasure is in order . I'm down to reading e-mail once a week, so forgive the lateness. Someone mentioned seeing the new S&S anthology, well I picked it up a week or two ago and the stories are as good as always. When there wasn't a new Misty, I felt good, maybe she's stoping spreading herself so thin and the quality of her publications will go back to the high standards we know it can achieve. Heck, I swore I wouldn't do it, But I can't keep my two cents out of the casting. Since this is all a dream anyway, what about a young Gerard Depardu as Dirk? Lammas Night: Good book, but do not read it all at once unless you have endless patience for multiple stories on the same theme (I don't know how MZB can do it) Pern Movie; Not yet! I just started gettin ginto Pern when the semester started and I've been innundated with class work. I haven't picked up a non-class book since. I need time to read the books before the movie. ( It's really cool that it's happening though) ObMisty: This one just came to me. In my Philosopy class, we just finished "On Liberty" by J.S. Mill. It occured to me that Valdemar is nearly as libertarian as something is going to get. There is no one true way could easily be a slogan for the libertarians. People in Valdemar are not persecuted because they are different and the Heralds do not stifle the people, they provide the good example for those who seem to choose a way that is hurtful to other people. Oh, and the pleas to stop one;liners seem to have been understood as it's okay to post one as long as you put the word fluf in the subject. Well, most people who get very, very annoyed over one liners are people on digest who see 5 or 6 messages from one person that were sent within minutes of each other, each with it's own sig. Kawryathen "I never doubted the teachers, just the lessons they taught. If I couldn't fill my stomach, I'd fill my head, But I never could fill the words that I said." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hyde To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: chava / boredom / karma Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Lee wrote: > Kara--I suspect that chava is an idealized combination of all the best > aspects of chocolate and coffee. Yum! > I think I may have mentioned this onlist before, but I also may have said it in real-life and confused the two. I always thought that "chava" was a coffee/chocolate analog that must have been inspired by the soi-disant "mocha" coffees sold in the many coffeehouses in Tulsa. What is it about Americans that they think that "mocha" means "chocolate coffee"? Just as an illustration, you should have the look on my friend Tash's face (who grew up in Bahrain and India) when she first tasted American "mocha." =) She thought she was ordering mocha coffee, and got something like a blend of coffee and hot chocolate. *giggle* > Ele asked, "Is there any indication of anything like Karma in Valdemar? > [snip] what happens to the bad guys? Do they come back with a karmic > burden?" > > Hm. I can't answer that completely or directly, but I think there is some > kind of "you get what you dish out" at work in Misty's stories. Well the "Rule of Three" or whatever it is called in Wicca (whatever you send out, you will recieve threefold in return) is certainly mentioned in the Diana Tregarde novels. But the closest I saw to a mention of my Godhead is the passage in Storm Rising (?) when Firesong is visiting Ma'ar's hidey-hole in the Void and mentions something about souls passing through the void on their way to be judged by the Gods and assigned to a new life. This isn't quite the same concept as karma (which is NOT the judgement of the gods, who are bound by karma as much as mortals). However, it should do in a pinch. > that-fancy-French-word-for-munchies-that-I-can't-spell Hmmm. "hors d'oeuvres?" It's easy to spell if you know what it means: "hors" = outside, "d'" = of/from "oeuvre" = work (of art) hence: "hors d'oeuvre" = something that is outside the main work/meal. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 02:18:51 -0500 From: Michele and Tony To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970301021851.0069b00c-+AT+-soonet.ca> At 05:20 AM 3/1/97 GMT, Sagey wrote: >---Michele Writes----- >>I swore I wasn't going to get involved in this casting >>thread, but I just...can't...fight it any longer. >>So far as I can tell, no one's suggested this one. How >>about the guy from "The Crying Game", whosis, Jay >>Davidson??? as Tarma? Just a thought. >and may I mention, 1) Jay is a BOY > 2) A WHITE BOY > 3) and just CANNOT BE TARMA...:) Just out of curiosity, why should any of these points exclude Jay Davidson? Tarma is whipcord lean, flat chested, pretty much sexless. She is hawk-nosed, golden skinned, with black hair. Unless I'm entirely wrong, (which I freely admit, has happened many, many times:}) wasn't it Jay Davidson who played Ra in Stargate? If so, his face stays in my mind as golden, hawkish, and memorable. If it wasn't Jay Davidson...then whoever it _was_ who played Ra would be fantastic as Tarma:) WTTW, Michele ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 07:31:00 +0000 From: ecartier-+AT+-mail.geocities.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: SilverG and older characters/anime as a Misty Movie/Lioness/Drag Message-ID: <199703011224.EAA16639-+AT+-geocities.com> Wyvern said : >I did, too...can any of you who didn't like it give some solid >reasons why? I mean, there are definitely reasons not to like it. >I've never seen a book -without- reasons not to like it. But I'm >just curious why people didn't enjoy this one. I found it yes, a bit >cheesy in places, but still kinda fun. Well, my big problem with it was that it felt "padded". Not only that, but it didn't seem to be all that well written. It would've made a great short story or novella (prolly novella), but I couldn't really buy it needing 300 pages (for you Bujold fans, remember "The Borders of Infinity" novella, about the Dagoola prison break? SilverG always strikes me as what would happen if Bujold had decided to force it into being a novel.). Except for some of the co-authored stuff, I'd say SilverG is the worst Misty book ever. I really think that the only reason it got published was cause she had a contract for three books (her editor shoulda sent it back and told her to rewrite). In a way, this ties in with the thread on why Misty isn't writing about Talia anymore. Look at what she did in WG. It could have been a riveting story of diplomacy, where the diplomats weren't sure that they'd ever make it back, but it turned into a "stop the assasination attempt". She doesn't seem attracted by a story about ordinary things happening in extrordinary circumstances. She wants to write stories about extrordinary things, and never mind about the circumstances. I think in a way, this is the heart of the problems with some of her latest books. She's got so many extrordinary things going on, that it all seems ordinary and loses it's impact. In addition, she is writing so quickly (3-4 books of 400 pages ea. is more than any author I know of) that she loses all chance for revisions. Then she has a sloppily written book that will satisfy people who want a Mercedes Lackey book, and she gets money. But the people who want the "something special" from LHM or Arrows aren't going to be as happy. Wyvern said: >Anime might work, though. I've seen some really incredible stuff >with anime. And you could never find the 'perfect' actor for the >part. If the characters are drawn, they would look a lot more like >they're supposed to. I wouldn't have a problem with _good_ anime (like Nausicaa in the Valley of the Winds), but I'd have a problem with it being like some of the cheesy anime I've seen. There's another option too. There's an animation studio doing a Transformers cartoon (half hour show once a week) with 100% computer animation. It's definately not photorealistic, but it looks real compared to regular flat animation. And wouldn't it be neat if instead of making a movie out of one of the books (and chopping half of it out to get the PG rating), they did an hour every week (maybe on the SciFi channel?) for TV? There's enough material in the books to get through several seasons, and the Tarma and Kethry short stories would probably take up another one. Wyvern said: >Yes! I agree very much. When people (and cats) are dying right and >left you just stop noticing after a bit. The first time I read it I >didn't realize a couple chars -had- died. I had to go back and look, >and say 'Oh...they died. Whoops, didn't notice.' :P It was just kind >of silly. Don't read Katherine Kurtz then Wyvern. Lioness Rampant's ending is very very mild compared to some of Kurtz's stuff. I cried all through the end of Lioness Rampant, and I like it best out of the Alanna books. I didn't end up envisioning anything _really_ horrible (like people being ripped limb from limb...), and it actually had a happy ending. Compared to some of KK's books, that's positively celebratory (no, I'm not kidding, look at how I describe some of her books on my web page). Melissa said: >Hey! This is Melissa here. I know that I should probably mail this >to you personally, but figured the whole list could help me with >this one. What are you talking about? What is this Dragon*Con? >Help me out!!! I'm feeling pretty ignorant right now Ok Melissa, Chrys got _most_ of it. The big missing thing is that the Misty List is signed up as a fan group. If you want to go, email HTH and talk to her. Then you get a discount and help finding a room. The only reason I'm not going is cause I've been so homesick that all I want to do is be with my family enough to innoculate me for sophmore year. Emily the invisible Priestess of Procrastination, Computing and Programming Dame of the OAM http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/7726/ ecartier-+AT+-geocities.com (the one in the header bounces) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 09:15:23 EST From: sage.blackhart-+AT+-juno.com (sage f blackhart) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: sage.blackhart-+AT+-juno.com Subject: Re: lucy lawless Message-ID: <19970301.091605.22446.1.Sage.Blackhart-+AT+-juno.com> >>but if she could, what about Lucy Lawless for Tarma? >>(ducks the flames) Ya'll know who she is. Xena. >>Or perhaps this is our Kerowyn? > I like that idea !!! I think for Kerowyn in her later years, that Goldie Hawn would make a good one... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 09:15:23 EST From: sage.blackhart-+AT+-juno.com (sage f blackhart) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: sage.blackhart-+AT+-juno.com Subject: Re: Casting Message-ID: <19970301.091605.22446.0.Sage.Blackhart-+AT+-juno.com> -----michele said--- >Just out of curiosity, why should any of these points >exclude Jay Davidson? Tarma is whipcord lean, flat >chested, pretty much sexless. She is hawk-nosed, golden >skinned, with black hair. Unless I'm entirely wrong, >(which I freely admit, has happened many, many times:}) >wasn't it Jay Davidson who played Ra in Stargate? If so, >his face stays in my mind as golden, hawkish, and memorable. >If it wasn't Jay Davidson...then whoever it _was_ who played >Ra would be fantastic as Tarma:) I think that its also the "persona" of the actor going into it..Jay would make a WONDERFUL Leareth..I am sure there is a strong and wonderful woman actress who could do better on the part. It's the fact of association for me...to see a guy being Tarma would ruin it for me. That and I just cannot imagine him as Tarma. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 07:58:31 -0700 From: Megan Schreiber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SilverG (short) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970301145831.0068efb8-+AT+-cougarnet.byu.edu> At 12:52 PM 3/1/97 +0000, you wrote: Emily the invisible said: >Wyvern said : >>I did, too...can any of you who didn't like it give some solid=20 >>reasons why? I mean, there are definitely reasons not to like it.=20 >Well, my big problem with it was that it felt "padded". Not only=20 Agh! No! I wasn't talking about Silver Gryphon! I did -not- like that book. I was talking about Sacred Ground! ------------------ _ __,;;;/ Megan Schreiber =20 ,;( )_, )~\| mschreib-+AT+-cougarnet.byu.edu ;; // `--; http://cougarnet.byu.edu/~mschreib ' ;\ | =20 Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. "Si os oigo quejaros siempre de la vida, =BFpor qu=E9 os da tanto miedo dejarla?" --_La Dama de Alba_ "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas at the same time and still retain the ability to function." --F. Scott Fitzgerald =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 10:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: chava / boredom / karma Message-ID: <01IFZH8OOSSO9AUQAS-+AT+-delphi.com> On 28-FEB-1997 16:50:16.5 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN me>Kara--I suspect that chava is an idealized combination of all the best me>aspects of chocolate and coffee. ::Slurp!:: Sounds kind of like klah, minus the cinnamon taste. :) me>****karma** me>Ele asked, "Is there any indication of anything like Karma in Valdemar? me>[snip] what happens to the bad guys? Do they come back with a karmic me>burden?" Hm...I would say so. It probably isn't a widely-held belief, since no one really knew what happened to Heralds and Companions after they die. I get a feeling that karma operates more on a deity level here, than on a personal level. If you have a 'noticeable' enough soul a deity will intervene in your reincarnation and (at least for the Heralds and the Sword-Sworn) determine its course. I haven't seen any evidence in the books that this is true for the general population. I may have missed references, though. me>****the rest is fluff** me>Chantal--yeah, anybody can create an Order, so far as I know. Just me>think ahead about how much fluff your Order might generate, and how to me>keep that fluff offlist (e.g. petitioning for membership in private, me>braiding any Order-related announcements, etc.) Lee--Thanks for this info and for the fluff-minimizing advice. I appreciate it. :) Okay, a last bit of casting nonsense...Nigel Bennett (LaCroix from as Ma'ar, perhaps? I haven't read the Gryphon books, so I have no idea what Ma'ar looks like, but I should think the actor could play the part. Chantal/Aerden (another lover of words such as 'panegyric') Lady of the Order of Putzer Servants ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 11:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: MELVIN NEVERGOLD To: misty group Subject: live action possible Message-ID: If anyone has seen b5 remember that all of the space scene's are computer generated. Easily enough one could incorparate that into any thoerirectical (secret-- I can't spell very well) misty movie with more conviction than animation could ever provide. Come on Misty's books are not children's stories and need to be treated with the same respect as other genre's (anime is not everything)!!! Nevergold ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 11:21:53 -0500 (EST) From: MELVIN NEVERGOLD To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Animated Movie.... Message-ID: Anime is something that is not taken seriously but the general public ie. the MAINSTREAM. The lack of theatherical release would also limit the amount of exposure. Honestly a Misty movie would be better off as a live action movie or even a tv mini series than as an anime release. Also if you have noticed anime video sales prices that they are much higher on average than those that have enjoyed theatherical release. Theatherical releases make more money and as you know money is the motive behind almost all productions. Master of the enormous Headache Nevergold ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:12:34 +0100 From: "Ulf G. Dahlmann" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Witchy stuff / Trekker / Gryphon / Dragons / ... Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970301181150.4aef3d96-+AT+-hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> At 22:59 25.02.97 GMT, Jennifer wrote: > Ashkeiryana said: >> Has anyone noticed that Misty puts in many, many, many references to >Wicca in her books?? i can't think of anything specific. > >As for specifics, how about Diana Tregarde's religion? or the dual deity >nature of most Velgarth religions? Some of those Shin'a'in songs at the end >of Vows and Honor (wind's four quarters,etc) have some definate overtones. >I've long maintained that Misty's information is too good for her to not at >the very least have friends in the Craft. > I though that Misty is a practising Wiccan, or whatever you call that exactly. Or is it just my brain playing tricks on me, can't find the evidence, I'll keep looking. +++++++++++++++++ At 02:42 26.02.97 GMT, Brian wrote: >I'm a Trekker. >| From: Sera >| I really don't think there's only ONE other trekker in this group. I >| know I am DEFINITELY a trekker, but I have also been lurking as of >| late. I also know that there are quite of few other trekkers here, >| whether or not they are willing to admit it! I am NOT a trekkie, so live long and prosper. Oh by the way, what's on the menu in Ten Forward. Now what was that again about a war with shadows? D**n, I can never hide my true identity +++++++++++++++++++ At 02:17 27.02.97 GMT, Shadowsong wrote: >Also, does anyone know whether gryphons have a cat tail or a bird tail? I always imagined a feathered Cat-Tail (Do I make sense? A Lion with head and wings of an Eagle is a Griffin/Griffon/Gryphon (Classical Mythology, around 14th century) but whether the tip of the tail is feather covered, haven't been able to find anything on that yet) > On the gryphon topic--was anyone else reminded of a gryphon when they saw >Draco (Dragonheart) ? I don know why, but give him feathers n' fur, shorten >his wings and body just the teeniest bit and Ta-Da a gryphon. Oh well... >guess this confirms it...I'm certifiably nuts (and if you didn't think so >before you will now. Well, there are similar things if you look at cat and dog (4legs, tail, ...) and yet they are something different. But most of the dragons left on earth (there are about 230) do have some gryphon blood in them. If they would show themselves more, maybe we could get a dragon habitat set up at some place to insure their survival. > Guess what... <> I didn't like Vanyel ><>) just one word: blasphemy how could one not like vanyel Ulf <> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf aka Vanyel: vanyel-+AT+-compuserve.com valdemar-+AT+-geocities.com vanyel-+AT+-hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de vanyelulf-+AT+-aol.com vanyel-+AT+-cutey.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/2211/ http://members.aol.com/pepverlag2/iglyo/iglyo.html http://members.aol.com/pepverlag/peptop.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:41:40 -0600 From: "Connie Prince" To: Subject: oops Message-ID: <199703011841.MAA26060-+AT+-cnas.smsu.edu> ok..I am sorta lost here. I some how and don't ask how :) wound up on your list server by accident. I have no idea what you guys are talking about and so I'm asking that I please be wiped off of it :> Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 16:14:53 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Animated Movie.... Message-ID: <33189C4C.36BD-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> MELVIN NEVERGOLD wrote: Honestly a Misty movie would be better off as > a live action movie or even a tv mini series than as an anime release. > Also if you have noticed anime video sales prices that they are much > higher on average than those that have enjoyed theatherical release. Oh yes, let us make a TV mini-series! Hmm, Van would not be gay, only confused, his best friend 'Lendel would be deranged because of abuse by his twin (letting him partake in a sexual mind-meld) and Lassie can play Van's Companion. Pierce Brosnan will play Leareth, Axl Rose can play Starwind, and we'll have cameo appearances by Katherine Hepburn (Savil), Jonathan Frakes (Withen) and William Shatner as one of the Court, say, um, the defense minister or whatever he is called. Asteroids will be the main problem not some deranged wizard (who as Brosnan would be merely misunderstood), and of course Lassie will save Van in the end, just as he is about to call Final Strike, Lassie will knock him down, the lightning will cause an avalanche and bury the evil demonic army under tons of radioactive asteroid debris then Lassie will be swept into a raging flood and presumed dead until after the next commercial. Van will marry some woodsman's daughter and settle in the Forest of Sorrows with Lassie and Barbie (the woodsman's daughter) to defend the border and Steph will become a successful singer and playwrite based at the royal court and travelling occasionally to help the poor. Right, no TV please! 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