MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1136 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: TLS / Offense / Criticism / Bye by John Hagen 2) Re: A thought on fans & TLS by Chris & Sean Talbot 3) Re: A thought on fans & TLS by YKLance-+AT+-aol.com 4) Moving on - Life on the list AFTER TLS by Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com 5) Mage Storms Questions by Jennifer Wrenn 6) Re: A thought on fans & TLS/Mage storms questions/moving on by "Brian Sizemore" 7) Question on AoQ by Megan Schreiber 8) Re: Question on AoQ by Elisiande-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: Question on AoQ by "Helen M. Wilfehrt" 10) Re: Question on AoQ by jcameron-+AT+-tiac.net 11) Re: Mage Storms Questions by Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Mage Storms Questions/Mage Wars/Mage Storms by Erik Wayne McKee 13) Van 'n Fan / Gwenna / this 'n that by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 14) Re: resolving inconsistencies/a gentee rant by "M. Judson Goodrich" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 14:34:16 -0400 From: John Hagen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: TLS / Offense / Criticism / Bye Message-ID: <332C3D0A.BFE-+AT+-snet.net> The Last Straw is not going to go away ?!? Dismay and sorrow fill my heart. Definitely, posting The Last Straw to the other mailing list was out of line in my opinion. Publishing it in the QO newsletter may or may not be out of line. I don't know. I tend to go with the freedom of press argument. If Judith Louvis wants to publish The Last Straw, she can. All I know, is that I will continue to read Ms. Lackey's fiction. And I don't want to argue about The Last Straw anymore. Sincerely and in sorrow Lady Sara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:30:26 -0500 From: Chris & Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A thought on fans & TLS Message-ID: <199703162130.QAA06798-+AT+-relief.idirect.com> At 10:44 PM 3/15/97 GMT, you wrote: >because of TLS. MY question is why? OK, you already don't like her >writing and were offended by tls I can understand not reading/buying Sorry for such a short post but I didn't have anything else to respond to. I haven't seen much of the conversation. The question is stupid that I want to ask. What does TLS mean? Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:43:38 -0500 (EST) From: YKLance-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A thought on fans & TLS Message-ID: <970316164337_986998398-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com> who do you unsubscribe from this list? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:27:34 -0500 (EST) From: Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Moving on - Life on the list AFTER TLS Message-ID: <970316172732_-1002991118-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com> Dear list sibs, The week that this whole mess with TLS occured I was beating my head on walls and trying to survive finals week at school. When I came home for vacation and finally checked my misty list mail I found everyone in an uproar about this thing. In a way I am glad I missed what this is all about. With the way people are reacting to it, I'm not sure I want to know, and if I did, I would definitely not post my opinion on it. It seems that now people cannot get over it and are too offended to see past it and get back to the thread we were pursuing before. In all seriousness, guys, don't you think it's time to stop??? The ancients of this list remember what this place used to be like. Kenny, Deniz, Heather, Mel, Matt, etc . . . Lets try to put this whole thing behind us if we cannot come to terms about it. The most amazing thing about this list is the diversity of opinions, views, and ideas represented. There is not way that all of us will come to agreement on something that provokes such strong responses. So instead, let us all just put in out .02 cents, say "I can see where you're coming from but I have my own opinion and here is what it is." or something to that effect, and move on to new topics. Misty's Literature surely possesses more ideas that can be fleshed out and explored if her books have generated such a list in the first place. I am saddened that this crisis has caused people to leave the list. I shudder to think what impressions we must be leaving on the newbies who might not have come forward to make their first post and are just lurking because now they are afraid to voice their opinion. Once again, I ask all of you to put this behind us and just move on. HTere are myriads of other questions to argue over (in a friendly way). Where are those people who were so avidly discussing Talia? Lifebondind? Order of Amber and Marigold? Firesong? Lets get back together, and try to regain the warm and fuzzy atmosphere that this list used to have. Sheeps to everyone who can take this message to heart. Much love to all of you, Lonehawk KnightLady or the Oder of Amber and Marigold Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com Lonehawk-+AT+-hotmail.com Shyhawk-+AT+-juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:41:03 -0500 From: Jennifer Wrenn To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mage Storms Questions Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970316234103.00666bd8-+AT+-atlonline.com> I don't know if this is spoiler material or not, but if you haven't read any of the Mage Storms trilogy, I'd recommend that you not continue reading this. Okay, my question is, exactly what form were the Storms? I know that the group working on stopping them compared them to ripples of water, or waves or something. But how did they work? I can understand the Storms from the Cataclysm, because those began at a central point (or two, rather). But the Storms-reversed had to have started somewhere, right? I guess I'm just trying to picture what the Storms would have looked like, say, on a globe of Velgarth. According to, hmm, several folks in the books, the waves were traveling east to west, I think. If that's so, how are the waves converging on the Dhorisha Plains and Lake Evendim? Or was the east/west thing just in relation to the Empire? My problem here is that if the waves are circular in form (like the ripples formed by a pebble, as is the analogue in the books), and Velgarth is a globe, not a flat plane, wouldn't the waves have to start at a single point and spread outward around the globe to the Plain and the lake? Like, umm, a hoop almost, that goes around? I hope this is making some sense to someone, it's very difficult to describe what I'm thinking here. Chances are that evidence for my questions' answers won't come from the books, but I'm interested to hear what you listsibs have to say. My overall question, in case you got lost somewhere back in my attempt at description, is, what do the Storms look like from a distant (entire world-emcompassing) perspective? Anyways, hope y'all aren't TOO bored by all this! That question was kinda spawned by my rereading of Storm Breaking, and I realized again just why I love Misty's books so much. I truly enjoyed the Storms books, and, to be honest, *I* personally rank them up with LHM and AotQ. Maybe it's because I have fallen in love with Karal (lucky Natoli!), who is definitely my most favoritest character in that trilogy and possibly in all of Misty's books. You've probly all been through the favorite character and why thing before, but I'm still pretty new here, so I haven't heard much about it. Anyways, Karal had a LOT of depth to him, for all that he wasn't the focal point of all the action in all the books. I guess I just appreciate that he was a young man with faults who knew that he had them and was willing to try to overcome them to help others. That kind of person just doesn't show up that much here on mundane old earth that often. Well, at least, not in my experience. I envy his friendship with Florian and his wide range of experiences, and it truly amazes me that he stayed as 'good' as he did, even through all the evil and corruption. Okay, methinks I've babbled enough. I seem to do that way too often. Anyways, wind to thy wings, listsibs! NightSong jwrenn-+AT+-atlonline.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:41:48 -0500 From: "Brian Sizemore" To: Subject: Re: A thought on fans & TLS/Mage storms questions/moving on Message-ID: <199703170056.TAA01990-+AT+-ais.ais-gwd.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC3242.163F2A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aistes said: | | What does TLS mean? | The Last Straw. It can be found on the Firebird website. A A A A A A A A A A A A Nightsong asked: | |What do the storms look like on a globe of Velgarth?...how are the waves converging on the Dhorisha Plains and |Lake Evendim? The way I have them pictured is to picture waves radiating out from a central point if you dropped a pebble in the water. Now, play it in reverse. Apparently these waves are a mirror image of the original waves. That way, the ones that cross Valdemar are moving East to West, towards their original starting points. I hope this helps, if not e-mail me again and I'll see if I can explain it better. A A A A A A A A A A A A Lonehawk: I couldn't agree with you more. In my posts, I didn't mean to offend anyone. Even my signature, which was humorous to me, was taken offensively. I've removed everything that I think can be taken offensively and we'll see what happens now. Basically, I had gotten fed up with what seemed to me to be rampant triviality when much better use of time composing and reading items from the list could have been spent on the content of her books and exchanging thoughts and ideas on Valdemar and Velgarth as a whole. With such a subject as the one TLS deals with, I believe with all my heart (yes, I have one) that discussion concerning it should deal with the content of the text, and it seemed almost heartless to trivialize the content with the nit-picking about style that was going on. I truly hope no one is offended by anything I write. I don't usually write like that, or talk like that unless I get very agitated. I truly hope that there are no hard feelings if anyone on the list was offended by anything I said, and I hope that TLS will become anathema to this list for at least the foreseeable future. Again, I apologize. Paradox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No matter what else you do in life, love another. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------=_NextPart_000_01BC3242.163F2A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Aistes = said:
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The Last Straw.  It = can be found on the Firebird website.
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|What do the storms look like on = a globe of Velgarth?...how are the waves converging on the Dhorisha = Plains and |Lake Evendim?

The way I have them pictured is to = picture waves radiating out from a central point if you dropped a pebble = in the water.  Now, play it in reverse.  Apparently these = waves are a mirror image of the original waves.  That way, the ones = that cross Valdemar are moving East to West, towards their original = starting points. I hope this helps, if not e-mail me again and I'll see = if I can explain it better.
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I couldn't agree with you more.  In my = posts, I didn't mean to offend anyone.  Even my signature, which = was humorous to me, was taken offensively.  I've removed everything = that I think can be taken offensively and we'll see what happens now. =  Basically, I had gotten fed up with what seemed to me to be = rampant triviality when much better use of time composing and reading = items from the list could have been spent on the content of her books = and exchanging thoughts and ideas on Valdemar and Velgarth as a whole. =  With such a subject as the one TLS deals with, I believe with all = my heart (yes, I have one) that discussion concerning it should deal = with the content of the text, and it seemed almost heartless to = trivialize the content with the nit-picking about style that was going = on.  I truly hope no one is offended by anything I write.  I = don't usually write like that, or talk like that unless I get very = agitated.  I truly hope that there are no hard feelings if anyone = on the list was offended by anything I said, and I hope that TLS will = become anathema to this list for at least the foreseeable future. =

Again, I apologize.

Paradox
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------=_NextPart_000_01BC3242.163F2A80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:09:32 -0700 From: Megan Schreiber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Question on AoQ Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970317020932.0068c744-+AT+-cougarnet.byu.edu> I'm currently re-reading AoQ for about the hundredth time and just noticed something. Whenever someone is in emotional distress, Talia feels 'called' to come assist them. For example, she comes when the Queen is upset, when that Herald was upset after the funeral, when Destria was injured...each time she felt something drawing her to help them. However...Dirk was in considerable emotional distress, I would think. I mean, the guy was drinking himself into a stupor nightly. Wouldn't Talia sense that and go help? Instead, she doesn't notice and just gets herself frustrated? I just think it seems a bit odd that her Empathy works at full strength around anyone but Dirk. On another note, perhaps that's a side effect of the lifebond...that she can't sense anything from him until the bond is acknowledged...? Just a thought, and possible discussion topic. Wyvern http://www.byu.edu/~mschreib ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:57:50 -0500 (EST) From: Elisiande-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question on AoQ Message-ID: <970316215746_309120777-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com> Talia and Dirk... Maybe that was part of her frustration with him? That she could sense his distress and couldn't figure ou t what to do about it? She had been away for her circuit, IIRC, and had become his best friends' lover, and he kept her at arms' lenght because he was sure she'd completely fallen for Kris, like the majority of women he knew...? (books are packed, we are getting ready to move again, so... ) Elisiande "...and if wishes and dreams are merely for children, and if love's a tale for fools, I'll live the dream with you...." (Beauty and the Beast) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 97 23:13:41 EST From: "Helen M. Wilfehrt" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question on AoQ Message-ID: <199703170413.XAA00190-+AT+-maiden.med.unc.edu> > > I'm currently re-reading AoQ for about the hundredth time and just noticed > something. Whenever someone is in emotional distress, Talia feels 'called' > to come assist them. For example, she comes when the Queen is upset, when > that Herald was upset after the funeral, when Destria was injured...each > time she felt something drawing her to help them. However...Dirk was in > considerable emotional distress, I would think. I mean, the guy was drinking > himself into a stupor nightly. Wouldn't Talia sense that and go help? > Instead, she doesn't notice and just gets herself frustrated? I just think > it seems a bit odd that her Empathy works at full strength around anyone but > Dirk. On another note, perhaps that's a side effect of the lifebond...that > she can't sense anything from him until the bond is acknowledged...? > > Just a thought, and possible discussion topic. I think with most of the others - she personally didn't really have, as they say, "a personal investment". With Dirk not only did she feel his distress, she shared it both through her empathy and through her own hurt at being rejected by him and so on and so on. A viscious cycle sort of like that which lead her to lose her balance while on circuit. Helen hmw-+AT+-med.unc.edu > > Wyvern > http://www.byu.edu/~mschreib > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:16:58 -0500 (EST) From: jcameron-+AT+-tiac.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, jcameron-+AT+-tiac.net Subject: Re: Question on AoQ Message-ID: <199703170416.XAA12514-+AT+-mailnfs0.tiac.net> At 02:32 AM 3/17/97 GMT, Megan Schreiber wrote: >Dirk was in >considerable emotional distress, I would think. I mean, the guy was drinking >himself into a stupor nightly. Wouldn't Talia sense that and go help? >Instead, she doesn't notice and just gets herself frustrated? I think possibly her own feelings were getting in the way of the empathy. She was too confused about her own feelings regarding him to look seriously and objectively at his feelings about her. Elizabeth Cameron Three things trust above all else, the horse on which you ride, The beast that guides your sleeping and your sister at your side! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:17:44 -0500 (EST) From: Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Storms Questions Message-ID: <970316231440_1748715733-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> Nightsong asked how the mage storms would look on a global scale. I think Paradox had a good description. Let me try ty simplify it to the bare basics. Drop a stone in the water - you get ripples that are pretty violent at the focal point and smooth out to the edges until they get so insignificant that they disappear. Now imagine that you caught this whole process on tape, stuck that tape into the VCR, and hit the rewind button. The waves seem to start out of nothing and get more and more violent until they converge at the original point of impact. I think this is what the Mage storms were and how they looked. The places where they disappeared last were the places they appeared first in the second Storms. What my question is, how did this whole thing happen again? They were saying something about the storms coming back through time and stuff. Why did the storms rebound to come back so many thousands of years after? I don't think that this was explained in the book and was wondering if anybody had any ideas. Sincerely, Lonehawk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:06:06 -0600 (CST) From: Erik Wayne McKee To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Storms Questions/Mage Wars/Mage Storms Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Nightsong asked how the mage storms would look on a global scale. > I think Paradox had a good description. Let me try ty simplify it to the bare > basics. > Drop a stone in the water - you get ripples that are pretty violent at the > focal point and smooth out to the edges until they get so insignificant that > they disappear. Now imagine that you caught this whole process on tape, stuck > that tape into the VCR, and hit the rewind button. The waves seem to start > out of nothing and get more and more violent until they converge at the > original point of impact. I think this is what the Mage storms were and how > they looked. The places where they disappeared last were the places they > appeared first in the second Storms. This is also how I envision the storms. > What my question is, how did this whole thing happen again? They were > saying something about the storms coming back through time and stuff. Why did > the storms rebound to come back so many thousands of years after? I don't > think that this was explained in the book and was wondering if anybody had > any ideas. Perhaps they traversev outwards from the two origional sites, took forever to wrap around the entire globe, and now after making it all the way around the globe, which is circular, after all, they are headed back to their points of origon. I have noticed that many, if not most, of the people here disliked the Mage Wars series, or at least the last book of it. Now that I've read that entire series, I think that it was rather good. Not her best, admittedly, but still a good trilogy. As to the problem that people have with SG, I'm not sure where that problem arises from. I found the story line very believable, the characters interesting, and the ending a pretty nice summation to whoat she had been trying to say in the entire book, that Tad and Blade needed to be able to get out of their parent's shadows and start making a life for themselves. On to the Mage Storms trilogy. I have read the first two books so far (waiting for the third to come out in paperback). I find them to be rather good. I admire Misty's ability to get the reader emotionaly and mentally involved in the story. Most of the time, I catch myself feeling as if I actually was the character in the story. I can hardly wait to get my hands on a copy of volume three in paperback! Sorry If I accidentally mentioned anything that should have been in spoiler space. Sorry if I accidentally offended anyone by my possibly unpopular oppinions. Bright Blessings Erik #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 15:43:12 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van 'n Fan / Gwenna / this 'n that Message-ID: <9703171443.AA04907-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Greetings, Nina wrote last week (and I could have sworn I'd bounced back a reply, but there ain't nothing around, so I must just have just thought about it): > For me, the saddest scene was Van's death at the point when Yfandes says she > had always known what their partnership would come down to. At that point, > it really sunk in that this was the end (in a way). I always think this demonstrates the total love between Van and 'Fandes - the one soul that fought through to be with him at the end is 'Fandes. The one who stays with him through all the highs and lows, never leaves him, never lets him down, and loves him totally, while accepting his loving others. It's not a blind love either, she is well aware of all his less endearing habits. And while I appreciate that both Lendel and Stef, and Savil and Jisa, and various others were important to Van, I personally don't think he could have continued, duty or no, without 'Fandes. She was the bedrock on which his entire life was built. That's ML's great love story, Van and Yfandes. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- As to why Gwenna is quite such a poor example of Grove Born Companionship - I reckon it was a story line that just didn't pan out, but Arrows had been published and Gwenna's dramatic entry into Valdemar was set. Apart from being a patronising pain, Gwenna is never really given any redeeming virtues - with regard to what I say above about Van and Yfandes, I never get the impression that Gwenna cares for Elspeth - but then again, maybe not all Herald/Companion bonds are deep and rich. I felt at the end of Winds that Darkwind was as important to Elspeth as Gwenna, if not more. Elspeth's Mage-development, it is down to Darkwind, Need and the gryphons - I odn't recall Gwenna being anything other than a fairly passive observer, with the odd assistance grudgingly granted. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Nightsong wrote: > I get the feeling that Valdemar is a kind of medieval America. This comes > mostly from the 'there is no one true way' idea, I guess. I didn't kmow there was one (EE avoids massed onslaught by the list's majority of USofAans - I was kidding, I was kidding - I'm english goddammit, we're allowed to get lofty about american history, just like the Italians can with us Brits, and the Egyptians with the Italians, and, and, and - we've all had our turn of making mud pies while others cooked haute cuisine!) Honest though, do you mean native american life? I didn't think there was much european activity in America in mediaeval times - the main immigration started in the 17th Century didn't it? OK Columbus and Co. arrived in 14-something, but weren't they more southern in their acquisitions? I can see some faint parallels between the Shinaninnies and native americans, but Valdemar - nah - don't see it myself. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well, I started WG again the other day - had half and hour to kill, so began at the beginning .... - I'm not sure why it's so unliked by so many. (on second thoughts, I now doubt one can unlike something - what's that damn verb .................... DISlike - right, knew unlike didn't sound right ......) - I'm not sure why it's so disliked by so many. There's actually nothing wrong with it - except that there's no sympathetic main character - no Talia, or Karal, or Darkwind (not that he's *that* sympathetic) - ML didn't get us rooting for anyone, whereas in Arrows, you cared about Talia, wanted her happy, and it's why we are all grembling about the lack of Talia in the later books. Having said that, I think WG isn't that bad, and might even shell out and buy SG, accepting that it's a different sort of ML. 'kay, that's me, Esmeralda Evensbane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:16:08 -0500 From: "M. Judson Goodrich" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: resolving inconsistencies/a gentee rant Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970317161608.006958a0-+AT+-pop.mv.net> {Kethandral Librarian-Mage de-lurks smelling of old books} At 05:06 PM 3/15/97 GMT, Megan Schreiber wrote: >Just a quick note: > >Now, I can understand it being in a place where possibly those >'flakes' would see it...but sending it to a place consisting totally of fans >of Misty was totally inappropriate, IMO. What would everyone think if Misty >had sent TLS to this mailing list? (Sigh) From what I remember (granted it was several weeks ago when I read TLS (The Last Straw for those not in the know) the entire point of TLS was that some of her "fans" had begun to take her works just a SMIDGE too seriously. So that is why she sent the bloody thing to places where her "fans" could read them. For those of us who are relatively stable and grounded in THIS reality, this should affect us. However the people that she was aiming at lurk amough us, I'm willing to bet that there are some who are reading this list right now. (>I< didn't fill out any kind of screening form to get here, although I'm sure some people wish I had). I guess my point is that I'm sure that a few ego's were bruised, and I'm sure that some people took TLS the wrong way. BUT it should be apparent taht Misty is going through a lot and that she is only human. I've seen a few posts here that want to discuss the "appropriateness" of TLS, which is fine in an academic fashion. However I feel that Misty was justified in being what she is: fed up, angry, hurt, and extremely human. (I mean from what I've been able to tell most writers treasure their relationships with their fans. Can you imagine the betrayal of having the people that you are writing for actually turn _violent_! As and aspiring author myself, as well as dating one, I hope this is something I never have to go through.) >I'm not even going to bother to complain about tone, content, whatever, >because others have already done so much better than I ever could have done. >However, I will comment that flames are never appropriate. There are much >better ways to get something accomplished than by screaming at them. But >anyway. True flames never really get things done, BUT I don't think she was flaming us, she was flaming around us. TLS is aimed at a very limited (I hope) segment of her fans. A very sick, mentally and emotionally disturbed segment. Normal communication wouldn't work. I think she was just trying to vent in a fashion that would let her true fans know whats up. Its kinda like when when a good friend of yours goes on a rant about something. They aren't expecting you to DO anything about it. They just want to get it out in the open. Personally I'm sure that it was very good for her to vent and get it off her chest and I think we should be honored that she would trust in us to confide. She just as easily could have said nothing and left us out of the loop. Instead she chose to include us for our own protection (these are NOT well people remember) and because she felt we would give a sympathetic ear. If you don't agree, thats fine, life is about disagreements but it is the watermarks of a civilized people on how they express them. Personally I think it took a lot of guts for her to say what she did, and for that alone I'll respect her words. Kethandral Morganstern Librarian-Mage of New Hampshire > >I don't think it'll die easily. Misty has ostracized many a fan through the >TLS, and we all want to express our opinions on it. > >Wyvern >http://www.byu.edu/~mschreib > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." -- Marcus Cole to Dr. Franklin in Babylon 5:"A Late Delivery from Avalon" ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1136 **********************************