MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1139 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) sorry n' stuff by Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: marriages/food (fluff)/lifebonds, Heraldic and otherwise by "Alexandra Y. Kwan" 3) lifebonds and marriage by Jennifer Dorn 4) Re: sorry n' stuff by DC Kincaid 5) Hammer Dulcimers? by cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net 6) hrmph? by cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net 7) bits /marmite /marriage /weeping by dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl 8) food/valdemar size/fluff by Ailsa Reid 9) RE: sorry n' stuff by Christi Redeker 10) Re: sorry n' stuff by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 11) RE: speculation/lifebonds etc.... by Christi Redeker 12) Christians by "JAIME HATHAWAY" 13) Re: Christians by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 14) Re:companions/Christians by "Vrondi" 15) Earl Grey/ by "Vrondi" 16) Braid: Cooking/Other stuff by Ken Hyde 17) Re: touched nerves (fluffy)/ marriage /what horses can do by angel1-+AT+-oaktree.net 18) Quotation in someone's sig. by Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com 19) Animal Conservation in Velgarth by Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU 20) Re: [Fwd: Re: Valdemar questions (fwd)] (fwd) by MELVIN NEVERGOLD 21) total fluff/trivia answerers by Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:16:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: sorry n' stuff Message-ID: <970318231650_1284751842-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com> Sorry about that message all. Whew! been away for a while and you all have been BUSY!!!! Allright: I'm sorry if I have in the past offended anyone I truly did not meen to, chocolate sheep to those whom I have offended and free roam of my virtual larder :) Companions: Gwena--a good reason for having an extrodinary companion is communication between companions, such as between Rolan and Gwena....But something about Gwena wasn't right, she didn't strike the respect in me that any companion should , especially a Grove-Born. Does anyone remember back in Arrows and LHM when it was mentioned often that companions rarely gave advice and when they did they couldn't afford to be disregarded? I don't meen to say that all companionly decisions are comepletly ignored, but that particular point, that was once so big has seemed to disappear Hmmmm. And still on companions but an indescrepancy question as well. What is the name of Griffon's companion? In AFlight on pg 316 paperback it says (paraphrasing here a bit) " As soon as FARIST caught the edges of Rolan's sending I came to warn the inn people that you were coming" I am assuming that Farist is the name of his companion, however inAFall Griffon explains that he was "passing an evening" with a herald with Foresight when she got a vision and "just about slapped {him} on Harevis naked" I'm quoting from memory on that one but I know the name of the companion was NOT Farist. Memory: Did Stef remember his life as both 'Lendel and Stefan or What? Lifebonds: Can non-humans have lifebonds? SoI: Somone asked where to get SoI, try Barnes and Noble or Media Play. And our Trivia Question of the Day: What is Winterhart's real name? peeking no fair and an extra-sticky-wishing-sheep-that-can-be-made-any-flavour-and-has-an-everlasting -quality to the winner(s) Also, totaly off the subject but, I've noticed many of you are practicing Wiccans, but are there any other Christians on the list? All right I'm done "May you see with eyes of light in ever dark, may your mind walk free, unfettered amongst all, touching well and wisely, may you go in peace."--Last fairwell of the Ghatti Shadowsong ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:26:02 -0800 From: "Alexandra Y. Kwan" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: marriages/food (fluff)/lifebonds, Heraldic and otherwise Message-ID: <332F78EA.3BE5-+AT+-earthlink.net> John and Kara Pekar wrote: > > I think it was Paradox who introduced the question of whether marriages in > Valdemar can be annulled or dissolved in any way. (Sorry, I hit delete > instead of copy when I was cutting out your question to quote it, and then > couldn't find an Undo command...) Crystal responded that Teren's > pre-Choice marriage had been dissolved. Here's the actual quote, as Keren > spoke to Talia: > > "Then it happened. He was Chosen. And the wife he had thought he was > contented with turned out to mean less to him than he'd ever dreamed. He > *wanted* to love her, he really did. He tried to make himself love her -- > it didn't work. He went through an incredible amount of soul-searching and > guilt before concluding that the emotion wasn't there and wasn't going to > be, and that his real life was with the Circle and his Companion. And to > tell the truth, his wife -- now ex-wife -- didn't really seem to care. His > children were adopted inot our family and she turned around and married > into another with no sign of regret that *I* could see." [AFlight, ch. 9, > p. 391 in SFBC omnibus ed. of _Queen's Own_] > > The fact that Keren refers to Teren's *ex-*wife, and the fact that his wife > remarried, make it clear that some sort of annullment or dissolution of > marriage is possible in Valdemar, at least among the Evendim clans. (I > doubt it's an option among the Holderkin, unless they have a provision for > putting aside a wife for adultery or something.) We can say this much for > certain: Valdemaran law does not prevent some sort of dissolution of > marriage, at least under certain circumstances, such as the Choosing of one > spouse. We don't have enough evidence to speculate as to whether marriages > which do not involve Companion's Choice can be dissolved; whether > Valdemaran law doesn't address the question at all, leaving it up to the > customs and/or religion of the people in question; whether marriages of > highborn can be dissolved (which could lead to tricky questions of > inheritance, title, etc.); or whether Valdemaran law in fact guarantees the > right to dissolve a marriage for any reason or specific reasons. My > personal guess is that either the law states that a dissolution of marriage > is permissible, period, or that it states that it is permissible given > certain conditions (like mutual consent, or proof of abuse). Marriages can be dissolved in Valdemar. In MPrice, right after Jisa and Treven told everyone they got married, someone mentioned to Vanyel that the vows are legal and binding, and that unless Treven and Jisa decided to get a 'divorcement,' which is unlikely to happen, the vows will remain legal. (I don't have the exact quote, though) So Valdemaran law does allow divorces. > [snip] > ++++++++++++++++lifebonds, Heraldic and otherwise+++++++++++++++ > Crystal asked: > > >I wonder if lifebonding exists amongst the general population or just > among Heralds? I >know the book said it was rare among Heralds, and rarer > still in the general > >population, but there's been no evidence that non-Heralds bond like that. > Any thoughts? > > [snip] > > Put this together with the bit about lifebonds being rarer (not unheard-of) > in the general population, and I think the answer is yes, it does exist > outside the Heralds. Though it does appear to favor those with psychic > gifts or spiritual insight. Still, those are probably not limited to > Heralds, even in Valdemar. Hmm -- I'd bet Healers have a higher percentage > of lifebonds than exist in the general population, as well. I think, with the emotional binding of lifebonds, that all the lifebonded people need to at least have some empathic or telepathic powers. > Oh -- and I assume you didn't count Stefan as a non-Herald because he's > probably Tylendel reincarnated? Because at least as Stef, he wasn't a > Herald, even though his lifebonded was one. For that matter, Vanyel wasn't > a Herald when he and 'Lendel were lifebonded, so Vanyel's experience is > double proof that lifebonding doesn't have to be limited to Herald-Herald > (as it is in Keren/Ylsa/Sherril, Talia/Dirk, Kero/Eldan, Shavri/Randale, > Arden/Leesa (Roald's parents) and Selenay/Daren.) Even if Stef can be counted as a non-Herald, he is a Gifted Bard, and therefore, have at least some sort of empathic abilities. As Vanyel had said, Bardic Gift is close enough to Empathy that Vanyel can send a pulse of love to Stef and have Stef be able to catch it. (Again, I forgot the exact qoute, but it was in MPrice, when Van finally admitted his love for Stef, at the second time Van and Stef were talking.) Also, though Vanyel wasn't a Herald when he and Tylendel are lifebonded, Vanyel have the Gift-potential, so that might help. > Here's another question: What happens when a lifebonded, Heraldic couple > dies? If they choose to reincarnate as Companions, do they remain > lifebonded? I guess my real question is, does a lifebond survive death? > The evidence of Tylendel/Stefan would argue that it does, unless that was a > special situation, allowed because Van was going to need Stefan so. But if > the bond does survive, all kinds of interesting situations arise. What if > one partner was a Herald, and wants to come back as a Companion, but the > other partner wasn't a Herald, so they can't? (I suppose the non-Herald > could come back as a Herald-candidate; would the Herald-now-Companion get > to Choose them? The human of the pair wouldn't remember the previous > relationship, but the Companion might. That could get awkward.) Ah, I love > philosophical questions... I don't think lifebonds can survive death. If they can, then the person left could never lifebond again. So the Keren/Ylsa/Sherril partnering could never happen. But if the bonded couple died together, then I am not sure. > And an additional question: am I right in assuming that Companions and > Firecats remember their previous lives, but that reincarnated humans do > not, or not consciously? Evidence: Vanyel's spirit tells Elspeth that > Gwena "forgets that she has *no* real, human > experience to base her decisions on. It is like dictating music when you > yourself have never learned to play an instrument." [WoFury, US hardcover > ed., ch. 5, p. 93.] Therefore, most (read, reincarnated) Companions *do* > have "real, human experience" to draw upon, and they must be able to > remember it. But Stef certainly has no conscious memory of his life as > 'Lendel; the only clue that he may remember on a subconscious level is that > he calls Van "ashke" in his sleep. No, there's other evidence. For example, how he know almost all the details surrounding Tylendel's death (I didn't, for a moment, think the explaination Stef gave as possible. You know, the one that Savil explained it). But I agree that Heralds reincarnated as human again have conscious memory of a past life. > Well, have fun batting these thoughts around! > > Wind to thy wings, And winds to thy. > Kara > Disciple of Textevd > "So many books, so little time" ;-) from little alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:49:45 -0600 From: Jennifer Dorn To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds and marriage Message-ID: <199703190553.XAA34020-+AT+-audumla.students.wisc.edu> At 05:46 AM 3/19/97 GMT,alex wrote: > I don't think lifebonds can survive death. If they can, then the >person left could never lifebond again. So the Keren/Ylsa/Sherril >partnering could never happen. But if the bonded couple died together, >then I am not sure. Actually, the Keren/Ylsa/Sherril example isn't the best one because Keren mentions that Ylsa and she had suspected that Sherrill was bonded to them both. That seems to imply that a three-way lifebond is possible. Also, in SOI (mind you, it is a relatively inconsistent source....I don't think I'm saying anything that needs spoilers... sheeps to all if I do) Judaia asks Martin if he is lifebonded to Lyssa even though she knows he is lifebonded to her. (p.281, "A Herald's Honor") This implies that three-way lifebondings are not unheard of. I think that lifebonds could survive death only in exceptional cases, ie Trevalen/Dawnfire, Vanyel/Stefen-Tylendel, etc. > >> And an additional question: am I right in assuming that Companions and >> Firecats remember their previous lives, but that reincarnated humans do >> not, or not consciously? Evidence: Vanyel's spirit tells Elspeth that >> Gwena "forgets that she has *no* real, human >> experience to base her decisions on. It is like dictating music when you >> yourself have never learned to play an instrument." [WoFury, US hardcover >> ed., ch. 5, p. 93.] Therefore, most (read, reincarnated) Companions *do* >> have "real, human experience" to draw upon, and they must be able to >> remember it. But Stef certainly has no conscious memory of his life as >> 'Lendel; the only clue that he may remember on a subconscious level is that >> he calls Van "ashke" in his sleep. > > No, there's other evidence. For example, how he know almost all the >details surrounding Tylendel's death (I didn't, for a moment, think the >explaination Stef gave as possible. You know, the one that Savil >explained it). But I agree that Heralds reincarnated as human again >have conscious memory of a past life. > >> Well, have fun batting these thoughts around! >> >> Wind to thy wings, > > And winds to thy. > >> Kara >> Disciple of Textevd >> "So many books, so little time" > > ;-) > >from little alex > Lady Guenevere Knight-errant of the OAM Witch and Keeper of Gargoyles Mistress of fire-lizards and Dragons "A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother"~ anonymous jldorn-+AT+-students.wisc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:47:38 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry n' stuff Message-ID: <332F9A1A.54C4-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Wiccans, but are there any other Christians on the list? > Interesting; We ask these things so rarely... Yes I am a Christian, non-denominational though I lean toward sects of the Church that have a lot of fluffy ceremonies and neat outfits. Ceremony is so often neglected in Protestant churches... Dana Fast Fashion http://www.oaktree.net/angel1 mobilis in mobili Strawberry and White - Chocolate Easter Sheep to you all! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:49:39 -0500 From: cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hammer Dulcimers? Message-ID: <332FA8A3.7474-+AT+-spectra.net> Bethany wrote: > Lastly: I'm afriad I deleted this digest but did someone say something about there being instruments where you hit strings with hammers in Velgarth? If so, what book was this in? My mom is learning to play the hammer dulcimer, that's why I'm curious. :) I think I mentioned this... and from what I remember it was in the second Winds book ... at the Tayledras revel following the ceremony making Elspeth and Co wingsibs... one of the groups of scouts were playing music, and there was an instrument played by striking the strings with little hammers ... I'll look up the exact reference as soon as I can and pass it along. Crystal ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein -------Ask about ordering information for "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:52:24 -0500 From: cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: hrmph? Message-ID: <332FA948.2F44-+AT+-spectra.net> Many apologies for the short post ... but is anyone else getting the posts all out of order? I'm also a bit curious as to whether my posts have shown up .. they haven't come back to me... weirdness is afoot .... :) Crystal ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein -------Ask about ordering information for "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 13:48:57 +0100 From: dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: bits /marmite /marriage /weeping Message-ID: <9703191248.AA07324-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl> Greetings, > /me picks up the sad, dust-clad little form of his joke from where it fell > on flat on the floor and cuddles it, brushing away the dust and soothing > it with little mrrrping noises (what? you didn't know that jokes are > remarkably like kittens?). Ah me, Cennydd, what imagary - brought a lump to the throat it did! What it needs is a few days with the Git's Adpet - Felonious Scrimshaw, I think he calls it, him with the mage-powered tail! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Elisiiande - no offense taken! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Veery strange this, the mail I *knew* I'd sent last Thursday hit the list yesterday - now it could be my server, altho' it's generally well behaved - so, sorry for the repetition about Van 'n 'Fan. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kara wrote: > and one spread thinly with Marmite, which I gather is made from yeast and > tastes like nothing I've ever eaten -- or ever want to!) Now hang on there a minute - Marmite is an english institution - my mum started me on marmite fingers when I was a year old, and I break my fast every day with a mug of Earl Grey (in my special offer Marmite mug!) and a piece of toast and marmite. The Aussies on this list will no doubt make some spurious claim about their Vegemite, but it's not a patch on the real thing. Maybe you have to be raised on it to appreciate it's wonderfulness! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wirh regard to the talk on Valdemar marriage - I always got the impression that it wasn't that common - isn't there some such comment in Arrows when Talia and Dirks ceremony is being organised, about it being unusual? And has there ever been any mention of Elspeth marrying Darkwind? Or Selenay marrying Whatsisface? Or Kero and Thingy? There was something in the second Arrows when Talia and Kris were on circuit, a couple where she was pregnant, but nothing specific mentioned. Maybe if there are children, people contract for some period of care and maintenance? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Weepies - at the risk of repeating myself endlessly - you want to weep? Then go read Tigana by GG Kaye - oh yay, that book devastates me - all the Dianora (sp??) parts are so laden with grief, he tries for the same emotional load in Arbonne and the Lions of Wherever, but never quite matches Tigana, or so says me! Have a nice dayeee, Esmeralda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:00:12 GMT From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: food/valdemar size/fluff Message-ID: <199703191300.NAA22683-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> You are witnesses to a rare event. This is probably the only time I will ever do a "proper" braid. Mostly due to having to write half of it in windows notepad and then cut and paste into the mail program. :> Cennydd said: >Oh, and haggis! (Okay, I know it isn't English, but >I still want to make it and try it). Well good luck! First catch your sheep, then disembowel it... Unfortunately we can't export them any more cos theres beef fat in them, and with BSE... That caused real trouble for the French Scots on Burns Night :< Seriously though, does anyone reckon that there are national dishes for the nations on Velgarth, or just a variety of cooking styles? Melvin nevergold said: (about Valdemar size) > I'd say about half the size of texas or approx size of neveda. Er... whats that in relation to the UK? *blush* Can't find an atlas. For some reason I always thought of it as being about the size of the whole of the British Isles. Well, as long and as wide anyway. Shadowsong asked: >And our Trivia Question of the Day: > What is Winterhart's real name? peeking no fair and an >extra-sticky-wishing-sheep-that-can-be-made-any-flavour-and-has-an-everlastin g >-quality to the winner(s) Reanna Laury... I think. Can I have a mint sheep please :> I can't peek, I can't find the book! (Besides, I'm at work) Ailsa the alien, beloved of Lemming the fluffy ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | "What a night though it's one of seven, | | What a night for the dancing dead," | | (_Les Morts Dansent_ by Magnum) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:56 -0500 From: Christi Redeker To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: sorry n' stuff Message-ID: >>Memory: Did Stef remember his life as both 'Lendel and Stefan or What?<< In reply to Kalishanra: I believe that what Stef experienced was not uncommon to those that believe in past lives. It is often said that the resonance's of other lives break through the time barrier and influence decisions and choices that are made. According to past life enthusiasts if a past persona is not actively sought out, a trauma or desperate can bring forth the wisdom of a past life. I believe that this is what happened in Stef's case. He did not truly have 'Lendel's memories, but they did show through in areas of his current reincarnation. Now mind you all. I am not a true believer in Past Life regression, I have only done a quick study in it in a couple of religion and psychology classes. So, if I am wrong, I bow humbly before all with greater knowledge and insight. If I am right, I am very proud of myself. Toodles for now. Christi Redeker Dow Workstation Service Center Colorado Springs, Colorado >---------- >From: Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com[SMTP:Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 9:40 PM >To: Christi Redeker >Subject: sorry n' stuff > >Sorry about that message all. > >Whew! been away for a while and you all have been BUSY!!!! > >Allright: I'm sorry if I have in the past offended anyone I truly did not >meen to, chocolate sheep to those whom I have offended and free roam of my >virtual larder :) > >Companions: > Gwena--a good reason for having an extrodinary companion is >communication between companions, such as between Rolan and >Gwena....But something about Gwena wasn't right, she didn't strike the >respect in me that any companion should , especially a Grove-Born. >Does anyone remember back in Arrows and LHM when it was mentioned often that >companions rarely gave advice and when they did they couldn't afford to be >disregarded? I don't meen to say that all companionly decisions are >comepletly ignored, but that particular point, that was once so big has >seemed to disappear Hmmmm. >And still on companions but an indescrepancy question as well. What is the >name of Griffon's companion? In AFlight on pg 316 paperback it says >(paraphrasing here a bit) " As soon as FARIST caught the edges of Rolan's >sending I came to warn the inn people that you were coming" I am assuming >that Farist is the name of his companion, however inAFall Griffon explains >that he was "passing an evening" with a herald with Foresight when she got a >vision and "just about slapped {him} on Harevis naked" I'm quoting from >memory on that one but I know the name of the companion was NOT Farist. > >Memory: > Did Stef remember his life as both 'Lendel and Stefan or What? > >Lifebonds: > Can non-humans have lifebonds? > >SoI: > Somone asked where to get SoI, try Barnes and Noble or Media Play. > >And our Trivia Question of the Day: > What is Winterhart's real name? peeking no fair and an >extra-sticky-wishing-sheep-that-can-be-made-any-flavour-and-has-an-everlastin >g >-quality to the winner(s) > >Also, totaly off the subject but, I've noticed many of you are practicing >Wiccans, but are there any other Christians on the list? > >All right I'm done > >"May you see with eyes of light in ever dark, may your mind walk free, >unfettered amongst all, touching well and wisely, may you go in peace."--Last >fairwell of the Ghatti > >Shadowsong > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:25:10 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry n' stuff Message-ID: <199703191424.AA109191456-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> >Companions: > Gwena--a good reason for having an extrodinary companion is >communication between companions, such as between Rolan and >Gwena....But something about Gwena wasn't right, she didn't strike the >respect in me that any companion should , especially a Grove-Born. >Does anyone remember back in Arrows and LHM when it was mentioned often that >companions rarely gave advice and when they did they couldn't afford to be >disregarded? I don't meen to say that all companionly decisions are >comepletly ignored, but that particular point, that was once so big has >seemed to disappear Hmmmm. I think so. We don't see much advice on Rolan's part regarding Talia because she really doesn't have mindspeech. With the other characters, the Companions don't give straight answers and often just have a discussion with their chosen which may include some hints/advice (for example, when Kris and Tantris are discussion Talia's rogue gift ot her lifebond to Dirk). Gwena, OTOH, seems to always be in the middle of it all, and IMO, doesn't like it when she doesn't get her way. Not the most ideal behavior in an Companion, now is it? Anyway, Gwena's character did little to earn respect. >And our Trivia Question of the Day: > What is Winterhart's real name? Lady Reanna Laury Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:40:41 -0500 From: Christi Redeker To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: speculation/lifebonds etc.... Message-ID: I have a question about lifebonds though. Normal everyday people do seem to be affected. According to most of the books, a gift is in everyone, but only some have the talent, or ability to use it. Vanyel had all the gifts but they were latent until his channels were burned open. My personal feeling is that everyone has the ability to lifebond. We only hear about it through the heralds, mages, Shamans etc... because that is what is written about. According to speculation, Amberdrake and Winterhart were lifebonded(?) although it was never said straight out. And Winterhart was trained to do what she did. Anyone could train to be a gryph helper, it didn't take a gift. Wouldn't she qualify as normal? Christi Redeker Dow Workstation Service Center Colorado Springs, Colorado > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:02:12 CST From: "JAIME HATHAWAY" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Christians Message-ID: <1064F14B62-+AT+-future.judson.edu> I believe it was Shadowsong who asked if there were any other Christians on the list--- count me in on that! Bright day, everyone! (even if it's raining where you are!) Jacquelle "You broke your little ships." Lily to Picard Star Trek: First Contact ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:04:42 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Re: Christians Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:33:51 +0000 (GMT) mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk wrote: >I believe it was Shadowsong who asked if there were any other >Christians on the list--- >count me in on that! >Bright day, everyone! (even if it's raining where you are!) >Jacquelle *wave hand* Another one over here! I'm Christian...NOT Baptist, though, even though I'm trapped at Baylor.... -Iswulf (Icewolf in Old English) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:36:00 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:companions/Christians Message-ID: <199703191540.KAA31782-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> > Shadowsong (Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com) wrote: > Does anyone remember back in Arrows and LHM when it was mentioned often that > companions rarely gave advice and when they did they couldn't afford to be > disregarded? yes, I agree that the tone of the companions changed a lot. Perhaps it was because so many people had questions about them, and she was trying to give insight? Or perhaps it was convenient to the plot. _________________________________________________________________ > Lifebonds: > Can non-humans have lifebonds? Now this is a topic I don't recall seeing discussed really. Anyone with ideas? I wonder, would it matter if the non-humans were created by a mage like Urtho or if they had happened naturally? Or perhaps, since I think life-bonds are tangled up with the gods, it would matter if a god/ess had taken them under their wing. _________________________________________________________________ > Also, totaly off the subject but, I've noticed many of you are practicing > Wiccans, but are there any other Christians on the list? well, yes, here is one. I like to think of myself as an open-minded Christian. I have friends of some odd religious persuasions. I think that the loving part of Christianity is all too often brushed aside. actually, as far as I know, I'm the only Christion to have ops on the IRC channel #wicca. ;) -Vrondi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:52:27 +0000 From: "Vrondi" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Earl Grey/ Message-ID: <199703191556.KAA31901-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu> >Esmerelda (dbackhau-+AT+-isou10.estec.esa.nl) wrote: > Now hang on there a minute - Marmite is an english institution - my mum > started me on marmite fingers when I was a year old, and I break my fast > every day with a mug of Earl Grey (in my special offer Marmite mug!) and > a piece of toast and marmite. oh my! I read this letter as I sit here drinking a big mug of Twinning's Earl Grey! ;) Marmite I can't comment on, as it isn't available in West Virginia, but I've been a fan of Earl Grey as long as I can remember. _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:02:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Braid: Cooking/Other stuff Message-ID: Esme wrote: > Ah me, Cennydd, what imagary - brought a lump to the throat it did! > What it needs is a few days with the Git's Adpet - Felonious Scrimshaw, > I think he calls it, him with the mage-powered tail! Well, unfortunately, after having had such a bad experience, he is now in therapy, where he plans to stay for quite some time (getting in touch with his outer a**-kicking cougar--none of this inner kitten stuff for him!) > Maybe you have to be raised on it to appreciate it's wonderfulness! This is actually true for a lot of things (durian, for you Pacific Rim types, comes to mind; biscuits and gravy in the South (of the US); tripe, anywhere in the world!; et cetera). EOM/BOM----- Then Ailsa Reid wrote: > Cennydd said: > >Oh, and haggis! (Okay, I know it isn't English, but > >I still want to make it and try it). > Well good luck! First catch your sheep, then disembowel it... > Unfortunately we can't export them any more cos theres beef fat in them, > and with BSE... That caused real trouble for the French Scots on Burns > Night :< Don't they have sheep in France? (this is rhetorical). Actually, haggis isn't *that* hard to get ingredients for, as far as I know. All you have to do is special order the necessary innards from a decent butcher. In the US, most major supermarket chains are really good about filling special orders. BTW, just out of curiosity, how do sheeps stomachs get beef fat in them? Have the sheep been eating the cows? If this is the case, I would say that GB has more to worry about in the livestock department than "mad cow" disease. =) > Seriously though, does anyone reckon that there are national dishes for > the nations on Velgarth, or just a variety of cooking styles? I would expect that there are. Almost every cultural group has some dish which is considered to be the ultimate examplar of their cuisine or their identity. Spanish tortillas, American apple pie (not that *I* particularly care for most apple pies), Italian...(oh never mind, there never has been and never will be a true Italian national culture that can compete with the cultures of the city-states), Japanese nigiri sushi, French (bother! same problem as Italians only not as clear-cut). Anyway, I assume that there is something typical of each of the cuisines that serves as an identifying symbol. On the other hand, I don't think that any of them are mentioned. So we can merely speculate. =) EOM/BOM----- Then Erik Wayne McKee wrote: > These Wyrsa did eat magic, after all. Even though they are currently > quite a distance from White Gryphon or the outpost that Tad and Blade > were headed too, they could eventially cause problems at either of these > two locations. I suppose that this is sufficient reason for extinguishing a unique intelligent species. Certainly, "their inconvenient" is the underlying reason that most of the animals on the Endangered Species list are there. EOM/BOM----- Then Azreil wrote: > i would hazard a guess that the distance is at least equal to the > distance between the southeast europe/ czech area to maybe as far as > france. I read the Plains of Passage by Jean Auel a couple years ago, > and in it the two main characters made a journey across europe between > approximately the locations i mentioned. That journey took a year > according to Auel, but it was mostly across flat terrain There are difference other than the ones you mention though. First, Jondalar and Ayla were not "running" that distance, whereas Baran V and the folk were. Presumably, the Valdemarians would be able to cover a lot more ground if they were fleeing than if they were just ambling home from going walk-about. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me **http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:58:29 +0000 From: angel1-+AT+-oaktree.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: touched nerves (fluffy)/ marriage /what horses can do Message-ID: <199703191658.LAA14670-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> > On the other hand, we do have a couple of other examples of creatures > being wiped out. Take the things that come out of the Pelagirs, for > instance, ... and they are generally exterminated whenever possible by the Valdemarins, the > Rethwellans, the Tayledras, and the Shin'a'in. > "Hunting a species to the brink of extinction is not logical" Spock Thes creatures were fitting into the new biosystem, they were viable and fairly intelligent, were they not? Does inconvenience give people the right to commit murder? Since gryphon-kind eat a lot, and since they were made by magic, much as these creatures were, in times of famine would it not be convenient to destroy gryphons to save the resource of foodstuffs and thereby save men? Dana Fast Fashion http://www.oaktree.net/angel1 mobilis in mobili Porsche, there is no substitute. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Quotation in someone's sig. Message-ID: <970319115934_1882280290-+AT+-emout02.mail.aol.com> Sorry for the complete fluff of the message, but me and my quick delete finger have gotten me in somewhat of a jam. Somebody on this list uses an absolutely WONDERFUL quotation in their signature, and I was wondering if that person could e-mail me offlist (Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com) and tell me who it's by (or if you are the author. I want to use it but I feel bad not knowing who to give the credit to) Here's the quotation: Though my soul is steeped in darkness I will rise in perfect light I have loved the stars too fondly To be fearful of the light. I apologize if I made any mistakes, but I am going completely from memory, and it's not too reliable these days, vacation and all. Hoping for a reply, 'hawk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:31:05 -0600 From: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-BAYLOR.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.CO.UK Cc: Lynore_Belzer-+AT+-ccis01.baylor.edu Subject: Animal Conservation in Velgarth Message-ID: Now *that's* a pompous subject line if I ever heard of one. :) Somebody (whose name has been lost to the sands of time and someone's delete button) wrote: >> On the other hand, we do have a couple of other examples of creatures >> being wiped out. Take the things that come out of the Pelagirs, for >> instance, ... and they are generally exterminated whenever possible by the Valdemarins, the >> Rethwellans, the Tayledras, and the Shin'a'in. And then Dana wrote: >"Hunting a species to the brink of extinction is not logical" Spock > >Thes creatures were fitting into the new biosystem, they were viable >and fairly intelligent, were they not? Does inconvenience give >people the right to commit murder? >Since gryphon-kind eat a lot, and since they were made by magic, >much as these creatures were, in times of famine would it not be >convenient to destroy gryphons to save the resource of foodstuffs and >thereby save men? The creatures in the Pelagirs (IIRC, they're not all exactly "animals"), are only exterminated if they're dangerous, it seems to me. Take, for instance, the wyrsa: they are vicious, they seem to serve no real purpose, and I don't believe they were supposed to exist in the first place (again, IIRC, they were created by "accident" by a mage aiming for something radically different [_Silver Gryphon_?]). Plus, the wyrsa are not intelligent/sentient/whatever the way the gryphons are (thus the argument comparing gryphons and wyrsa are like comparing apples and oranges); at best they have a pack mentality. Plus, wyrsa are malicious. They go out of their way to destroy things. They're not merely "inconvenient." And also, it seems to me that the Taleydras only hunt wyrsa if they pose a threat to the vale. Comments? -Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:56:30 -0500 (EST) From: MELVIN NEVERGOLD To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Valdemar questions (fwd)] (fwd) Message-ID: Sorry About that tried to snip in a way that back fired--?!-+AT+-?! Mel Nevergold Not everything goes my way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:04:01 -0500 (EST) From: Kalishanra-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: total fluff/trivia answerers Message-ID: <970319130358_953805541-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com> Congrats to Ailsa and Nina for the correctly stating Winterhart's real name (Reanna Laury). (in my finest game-show host voice) Ailsa gets an everlasting mint sheep and Nina gets any everlasting sheep of any flavour :) Shadowsong ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1139 **********************************