MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1144 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Christianity/lifebonding/music by ahri-+AT+-juno.com (Not Home) 2) Re: John and Kara asked: by Elisiande-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Braid of Renee by "Alexandra Y. Kwan" 4) Re: fantasy=evil by "Alexandra Y. Kwan" 5) Quote by FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Quote by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 7) ADMIN: Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb by Melanie Dymond Harper 8) VB: Christians/evil fantasy by "Daniel Svalefelt" 9) VB: chess by "Daniel Svalefelt" 10) Re: Offesenses by MELVIN NEVERGOLD 11) Re: Offesenses by Michele and Tony 12) Please, stop and an ObMisty by dyanalynn-+AT+-juno.com (forever waiting) 13) Nyara&Skif/Maus/Skif as Medren?/Other Lackey by Renee Mic Markowicz 14) Re: Offesenses by Rob & Jody Edwards & Family 15) Re:Other Lackey, Religion, Screaming by daver-+AT+-connected.com (Dave Roberts) 16) Benathy Weber by Josh Albers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:21:51 EST From: ahri-+AT+-juno.com (Not Home) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Christianity/lifebonding/music Message-ID: <19970320.222053.7151.3.Ahri-+AT+-juno.com> Bethany Weber writes: >I also used to know a girl who felt that playing Magic was a form of >Satan worship (or at least, leading down the path to Satanism) becuase I've come across that too, in playing games such as White Wolf's Vampire and Werewolf games. One time I vividly remember was when a man came up to a group of gamers and started preaching on how they could still be saved, God would forgive them, their enjoyment of the game was sin, blah blah blah. One gamer politely told him, 'I see you are carrying a bottle of Coke. You are drinking it because you enjoy the taste of Coke. Therefore, your quenching your thirst on a fluid that you like IS SATAN WORSHIP! Have a nice day.' Then the gamer walked off, leaving a stunned person that actually *threw the bottle of Coke down*. I'm sure he stopped drinking it. >(Do I need an OBMisty? Here's one: When I read Burning Water, I was >struck by how much Di Trgarde hated Christianity -- and for no better >reason than some Christians would hate her. IMHO, of course.) I can't understand that... one thing I so love about Wicca is the fact you won't find many Wiccans trying to convert you or saying any other religion is wrong. And believe me, I've had those moments where I get preached or glared at for being Wiccan. --------------- Lani Hunter writes: >Sayvil was thunderstruck to discover that Van wasn't succumbing to the >leechblade as fast as he might have because he had gone and lifebonded to >Stef. >The first example implies that lifebonds cannot be chosen, the second one >does. I don't know, maybe the bonding is chosen on some level the first time, It can't be chosen. And Van didn't lifebond himself to Stef. In fact he actually was surprised and afraid of the fact, since he was thinking 'If being attracted to Stef is betrayal to 'Lendel's memory, what was this? (the lifebonding).' That proves quite well that Van didn't choose to bond to Stef. --------------- Renee Markowicz writes: >"Windrider Unchained" has some words changed also. So does Shadow Lover. Somehow, I think it would sound nicer if left as Vanyel sung it. Well, part of it. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Though my soul may set in darkness/I will rise in perfect light I have loved the stars too fondly/to be fearful of the night." Blessed be, Ahri-+AT+-Juno.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:39:29 -0500 (EST) From: Elisiande-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: John and Kara asked: Message-ID: <970320223924_-801627781-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> Lifebonds: I think "gone and lifebonded with Stef" was really just an xasperated way of expressing it on Savil's part... _¤¤¤¤¤ According to my grandmother, reading books for fun at all is evil... playing cards... even watching TV unless you are also occupied in something useful, like knitting. And you should only watch the news and so on, of course, none of this silly Sci-fi stuff... And my college roommate was so concerned with becoming "addicted and controlled" by tv, etc, that she'd leave the room when I watched my soap, of any other program I watched regularly. And FireWurm (Stallion?), I'm with you... my mom is concerned that fantasy was responsible for my becoming interested in Wicca... that I can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality... She tells me it's ok to research such things, but if she ever finds out I *believe* in it, she'll have me committed! Not that she could, but a sad and disturbing comment anyway, and one that precludes sharing a lot of my life with her.... ¤¤¤ Re: misquote: that's ok, hon, sometimes I don't remember what I wrote! and I cleared and saved my ciling cabinet elsewhere, so I couldn't check... Thanks for the sheep, tho,and I'll return the favor... little flu-defeating sheep for you! ¤¤¤ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:47:08 -0800 From: "Alexandra Y. Kwan" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid of Renee Message-ID: <333204BB.312E-+AT+-earthlink.net> To everyone: This is short, so sorry. To Renee: No, no, no! Nyra (sp?) and Skif are *not* lifebonded. They wanted to be before they met Vanyel and Stefen, so Stefen have to explain to them that lifebonds aren't as great as others fuss it up to be. from little alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:14:20 -0800 From: "Alexandra Y. Kwan" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: fantasy=evil Message-ID: <33320B1C.5A08-+AT+-earthlink.net> Ron Asher wrote: > > I'M A FUNDAMENTALIST LAY PREACHER WHO'S A DIE HARD FANTASY FAN.I'VE SEEN THE > ATTITUDES YOU'VE DESCRIBED.IT COMES FROM THE IDLE HANDS IS THE DEVIL'S WORKSHOP > IDEA.I SEE THE GOOD VS. EVIL AS SYMBOLIC OF CHRISTIAN RELIGION. > EX > LO Stop typing in all caps. it's very hard to read. and unless you meant to 'shout' don't use it! Anyhow, I agree that good vs. evil can be interpret that way. from little alex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:06:43 -0500 (EST) From: FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Quote Message-ID: <970321020642_-1505089508-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> Erik said: > The quote that you were looking far is somewhere in Storm Rising. If I > remember aright, Ulrich is telling this to Karal. Karal finds it quite > surprising. > > Bright Blessings > Erik > > #include Up sorry erick but Ulrich was dead in that book. It was in Storm Warning I think the exact quote is in Storm Rising though but i think it was Talia who said it. Zhai'hellava Stallion May the wolves of your desteny be just Blessed Be ::::ZZ ZZ:::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:55:12 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Quote Message-ID: <199703211354.AA205762460-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> >Erik said: > >> The quote that you were looking far is somewhere in Storm Rising. If I >> remember aright, Ulrich is telling this to Karal. Karal finds it quite >> surprising. IIRC, the quote is in SR, where Ulrich and Karal are trying to help An'desha believe that he isn't Ma'ar and that he can use his memories without turning into someone evil like any one of Ma'ar's incarnations. Talia was the one who suggested that Karal go seek out An'desha because they both needed a friend, but she wasn't the source of the quote you're looking for. Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:08:38 GMT From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb Message-ID: <199703211508.PAA05572-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I notice an increase in people failing to cut down quoted text, and other list-unfriendly things, so it must be time to post this again. -- Mel Auntie Mel's Rules Of Thumb These Rules of Thumb for posting to the Lackey list are posted about once a month, on average; they're an attempt to keep the traffic down to a loud roar rather than a deafening howl. It would be nice if new subscribers read these before posting ... but one can't have everything. These ideas probably apply to just about every other mailing list around, too. If you want to quote them elsewhere, fine, but please ask me first. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Trim quoted text. Trim headers to the minimum. We're looking for something along the lines of " said:" rather than six lines of quoted header with no content. Is all of what you're quoting still relevant? We want enough left to keep track of the discussion, not its entire history. BUT -- see 1a). 1a) Preserve attributions. Try, however, to keep track of who did say what. Being misquoted is annoying; being quoted as saying something you did not, more so. 2) Think before you post. I try to read through all of the list mail that has arrived before I post; especially on the weekends, if someone has a general question, the chances are extremely good that someone else will already have answered before I see it. It is obvious that with the delays caused by processing the mail, sending it out, etc., you can't guarantee that nobody will have answered a question before you, but if a couple of days have gone past, the chances aren't bad. 2a) Keep the fluff level down. People's mail systems vary, and many people receive the mailings as a digest. The latter group, in particular, cannot just delete individual messages, and I will not tolerate people being driven from the group because they cannot keep up with the level of mail, if that level is being artificially inflated by fluff. I don't mind the occasional off-topic message, but if you're posting several such per day, consider yourself warned. (Alt.books.m-lackey, the Lackey newsgroup, is far fluff-heavier than this list, and this is most likely because it is (generally) easier to skip unwanted articles within news readers rather than mail readers. It is also the main reason why I read about two articles a day from the newsgroup, if that.) 2b) One-liners are a Bad Thing. If you feel that you have to respond to someone with a one-line comment, and that comment is not an answer to a question that has been asked, consider replying by mail directly to that person. (Comment: at the moment, because this is a discussion list, the default is that, when one hits the 'Reply' button, the mail is directed to the list at large, rather than the sender of the message to which you are replying. If you do not know how to change this, if necessary, you should talk to your local support folks. Asking for help on the list is unlikely to be productive, since we don't know what mail system you're using, and they vary wildly.) 2c) Long .signature files are Right Out. The suggested length of signatures on Usenet is four lines. 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Notable examples: o anything saying "Make Money Fast" o any mention of the Good Times virus (it doesn't exist) o any request for postcards/business cards/get well cards to be sent to a little boy who's dying of cancer (he didn't die; he's still alive, and he really, really doesn't want any more cards. Neither does his local Post Office, which is also my local office at home!) o anything about forthcoming legislation (this is an international list, and as such any legislation is likely to apply to no more than half of the people on the list) If you think that there should be an exception, mail the item concerned to me -- mel-+AT+-herald.co.uk -- and if I agree with you, I'll forward it to the list. But I'm an unreasonable bitch, as you probably already gathered by reading the rest of this post, so don't get your hopes up. Phew! We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussions. Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:54:40 +0100 From: "Daniel Svalefelt" To: "Mercedes Lackey Maillinglist" Subject: VB: Christians/evil fantasy Message-ID: <199703211718.SAA23920-+AT+-d1o17.telia.com> > I Agree with you John and Kara! I think it would be foolish to think > that fantasy such as stuff like The Last Herald Mage would be evil. I > am a christian and I read a lot of fiction. Its not sinning. I'd like > someone to show me where it says in the bible that reading fiction is > wrong. Frankly, I never saw the 11th commandmant stating : Thou > shalt not read fiction! Frankly it just depends on the reader. > Anybody saying that this fiction is evil or we are evil for reading > it is just a bit to self-rightous and arrogant. THEY may not agree > with the views. Untill we go up, we will never know. By stating that > fiction is evil,wouldn't that be putting words in the mouth of the > almight? Now that is wrong. Sorry for my Rant. I just couldn't stay > quiet any longer. Anybody offended? Sorry if you where, but thats > the way it goes. And anybody thinking I'm a sinner for reading stuff > like the Harald mage stories, I laugh at you for your foolishness and > stupidity. Sorry, what can I say? I'm a sinner.......... > Any body agree with us? I do, but I have a question to you. Do you belive that there exists evil books? Is Mien Kampf (wrong spelld?) a evil book. I think there can be mentaly weak people who can lose the grip of reality if they read every kind of fiction, but i dont think Mistys work is one of thoes. I can understand if religions that not tolerate homosexual partnership think that Mistys work is evil. /The Swallow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:51:00 +0100 From: "Daniel Svalefelt" To: "Mercedes Lackey Maillinglist" Subject: VB: chess Message-ID: <199703211718.SAA23929-+AT+-d1o17.telia.com> > Shadow wolf said: > > > ObMisty: Does anyone on Velgarth play chess or similar games? > > Yes actualy Steff and Vanyel played Hounds and Hinds and that was a game of > statagy. If i had the books I would give you the quote but i don't all i can > remeber was that it was the second time that Vanyel had him in his room and > when Van asked if he knew how to play Steff said something to the efect of : > "No but i would love to learn" Really inocently and Van laughed and said > that he had probly palyed sience he could walk or some thing. I looked it up. Page 88 in Magic's price. BTW. Isn't it funny that after the first evening with Stef, Van woke up and had a bad hangover.Then he improved the WEB,the hardest thing he ever had done (i think). /The Swallow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: MELVIN NEVERGOLD To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Offesenses Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Melvin Nevergold wrote: > When I was a child I asked my parents, (father was deacon > of our tiny church) what would happen if a baby died. Well, the > answer was, that a baby hadn't ever done anyhting except for want it > mommy, and it's food, and it's warm blanket, and maybe some > snuggling, so of course the baby would go to heaven! It had done > nothing wrong to anyone. I was also taught that baptism should only > come when one was older and could make a conscious decision abou > their life. > > > > From: Jay > Reply to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk > To: web5791-+AT+-charweb.org > Subject: Re: Christians/evil fantasy > > My personal philosphosy is that since God (or at least Jesus) Granted > man kind free will that I shouldn't limit anyone else's I can and often > will but that's just me exercising my power of free will (at least I > don't berate anyone for not agreing with me. > > Whats Your point Melvin? Whats offensive to you and other people, May > not be offensive to others. Does that make us wrong? Noper. It's > called being shallow minded! > Jayson > > This was meant to show the tightness of pollectically corectness's loop > around our neck Weither you like it or not homosexuals exist and do have > sex (Facts are not offensive but detailed descpictions my be.).. > MELVIN NEVERGOLD Wrote: > > > FYI--- The science fiction book club notates that LHM contain offesive > > subject matter. The offesive matter being that Vanyel is shaych (homosexual) > > openly even through the ""love scenes"" constist of no more than an > > inferment that they were going to have sex. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:35:03 -0500 From: Michele and Tony To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Offesenses Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970321153503.006a55c8-+AT+-soonet.ca> Heyla All! Melvin NEVERGOLD wrote: >> > FYI--- The science fiction book club notates that LHM contain offesive >> > subject matter. The offesive matter being that Vanyel is shaych (homosexual) >> > openly even through the ""love scenes"" constist of no more than an >> > inferment that they were going to have sex. Are you sure that the offensive material being referred to is Vanyel's sexuality? LHM contained a rather graphic rape scene, if I remember correctly. Many people find rape of any person, whether gay or straight, to be extremely offen- sive. Just my opinion, Michele Goddess of Botanical Blight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:37:00 EST From: dyanalynn-+AT+-juno.com (forever waiting) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Please, stop and an ObMisty Message-ID: <19970321.153853.11198.0.DyanaLynn-+AT+-juno.com> I realize that most likely noone is going to pay attention to this but, Please, stop with the religious thread on list. If you all would like to discuss it, be welcome to on your own, but unless it's going to be put under no one true way, then it is not stuff to post (sorry, But anything that even smacks of prostilitizing, as in telling someone that the reason they left a religion was a misguided reason, really jars me deeply). I'm not on list here to discuss the finer points of ones' chosen religion. Yes, I know I've been lurking for quite a while, but that doesn't mean that I don't read posts. ObMisty: I think I've figured out why I like Misty so much as a writer. Even though a lot of the thngs don't make sense when thought about severly, there's a lot of truth to the ideas when you take it with a grain of salt. Kawryathen "I never doubted the teachers, just the lessons they taught. If I couldn't fill my stomach, I'd fill my head, But I never could fill the words that I said." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: Renee Mic Markowicz To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Nyara&Skif/Maus/Skif as Medren?/Other Lackey Message-ID: Nyara and Skif: -------------- Little Alex said: >To everyone: This is short, so sorry. To Renee: No, no, no! Nyra >(sp?) and Skif are *not* lifebonded. OK, everyone was kind enough to point out my mistake. Sheeps to everyone - I guess I misunderstood the point of the passage. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maus: ---- Lady Guinevere asked: >oh cool... Are you talking about _Maus_? That's one powerful book. No, it wasn't. I read that last semester and I must say that I loved it, too, but that's kinda heavy reading for 2nd graders. This one called _The Big, Terrible Things_ (?) I think. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skif as Medren?: --------------- Okay guys. I was rereading the part of WoFury about Skif and Nyara (keep in mind this was _very_ late last night) and something struck me. "For that matter, there was a feeling of familiarity about Stefen, as if he and the Bard had been old friends of the kind that can say anything to each other, and forgive anything..." (p. 120 WoFury). Now, given Misty's fondness for reincarnating her major characters, I started to wonder about this. Skif is Medren, reincarnated? Takers anyone? It suddenly struck me as a possibly - it's probably not the case, Misty was probably just aiming at emphasizing Stefen's likable, amiable nature, but it would be an interesting thing to think about, doncha think? :D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Other Lackey?: ------------- One last thing and then I'm done, I promise. From the general discussion I've seen on the list for the past 3/4 of a year, I can guess that most of the people here are fans of the Velgarth books, right? Sometime this summer (or was it over winter break? I don't even remember.), I picked up a combined effort by Misty and Andre Norton called _Elvenbane_. I loved it so much that I immediately read its sequel (_Elvenblood_ - see my sig ;) ) and then went out and bought them both. Has anyone else read them? I just noticed that of all of her other works that I've seen discussed, I'd never seen the two of them. If you haven't read them, I recommend them highly, and if you have - any comments? Just another thought to through into the mix. :) Keman rocks!! :) Renee Markowicz Knight of the Order of Amber and Marigold flare-+AT+-udel.edu |"I've half a mind--" the green rider began. Pre-Veterinary Student |"Obviously," Robinton cut in. (_Dragonquest_) **High Priestess of |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Procrastination** |"We have a saying among the dragons - _Lead, Confused? Just Ask! | Follow, or Get Out of my Flight-Path_. Now, Visit my homepage: ;) | which is it going to be?" -Keman (_Elvenblood_) http://udel.edu/~flare/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:55:08 -0700 From: Rob & Jody Edwards & Family To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Offesenses Message-ID: <333303BC.1499-+AT+-i-link.net> Michele and Tony wrote: > > Heyla All! (snip) > Are you sure that the offensive material being referred to > is Vanyel's sexuality? LHM contained a rather graphic rape > scene, if I remember correctly. Many people find rape of > any person, whether gay or straight, to be extremely offen- > sive. > > Just my opinion, > Michele > Goddess of Botanical Blight (snip) I remember that scene. I found it (personally) extremely offensive, and I almost stopped reading the book because of it. (Glad I didn't) It WAS a bit graphic for my taste. I hope I don't get anyone angry for saying so. It was a good book. but I do agree that is was offensive in parts. But, as I have stated before, Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. -Jel'enedra Jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:11:34 -0500 From: daver-+AT+-connected.com (Dave Roberts) To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Re:Other Lackey, Religion, Screaming Message-ID: <01BC362B.B1BA4700-+AT+-daver.connected.com> Renee asked if anyone had read Elvenbane and/or ElvenBlood. Yes, I have. I really enjoyed them even though the first book (Bane) = was a slow starter. In fact, I really appreciate her non-Velgarth = efforts. I especially liked the Serrated Edge series and her Diana = Tregarde books (I feel that it is quite a bummer that she won't be = writing any more of the latter). Regarding less than pure list topics such as religion... I found the discussions on this list to be very interesting and a nice = addition. I wouldn't want the main focus of the list to be lost, but as = far as the Velgarth realm goes religion is an oft discussed topic for = Misty, and as such doesn't seem too inappropriate a topic for this list. Regarding screaming and whispering email... I will rarely read email that is all in caps or all in lowercase. The = English language relies too heavily on technical details such as = punctuation and capitalization to cosset those who refuse to use them = out of laziness. =20 Regarding The Last Straw... I appreciate Misty's feelings as she expressed them in The Last Straw. = As a professional author Misty has to balance the spotlight of public = exposure with the safety of those she cares about. In a similar = situation I imagine that I would make the same decisions as Misty did. = I disliked some of her comments in the overall statement (just for the = $$$) but who has never said something that wasn't quite appropriate. This was my first de-lurk, so all I can say is good evening. "Dave's not here man!" - Cheech and Chong Dave Roberts The_Penguin daver-+AT+-connected.com / Penguins_Ltd-+AT+-msn.com =20 ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:05:58 -0600 From: Josh Albers To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Benathy Weber Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970321210558.00694dc8-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> actually, magic is dealing with Satanism. doing illusions deals with tricking people, but magic is a whole different thing. Magic is basically calling on Satan for his power. All that "playing" magic does is play calling on Satan's power. If you play with fire, it WILL burn you. Wiccans are long gone. They have already given their lives to Satan. Satan has taken them and the only hope for them (and anyone else) is Jesus Christ. The church of Wicca is a cult. Scratch that. It is an occult. A cult has plainly led many people the wrong way. An occult plainly worships Satan. If you want to dissprove this, Email me at spockears-+AT+-geocities.com and we can debate this, but the first thing you must do is explain what you do in worship services and I will send you the order of service at my church. I can even scan it in if you want that. At 03:52 AM 3/21/97 GMT, you wrote: >Bethany Weber writes: > >>I also used to know a girl who felt that playing Magic was a form of >>Satan worship (or at least, leading down the path to Satanism) becuase > > I've come across that too, in playing games such as White Wolf's >Vampire and Werewolf games. One time I vividly remember was when a man >came up to a group of gamers and started preaching on how they could >still be saved, God would forgive them, their enjoyment of the game was >sin, blah blah blah. One gamer politely told him, 'I see you are carrying >a bottle of Coke. You are drinking it because you enjoy the taste of >Coke. Therefore, your quenching your thirst on a fluid that you like IS >SATAN WORSHIP! Have a nice day.' Then the gamer walked off, leaving a >stunned person that actually *threw the bottle of Coke down*. I'm sure he >stopped drinking it. > >>(Do I need an OBMisty? Here's one: When I read Burning Water, I was >>struck by how much Di Trgarde hated Christianity -- and for no better >>reason than some Christians would hate her. IMHO, of course.) > > I can't understand that... one thing I so love about Wicca is the fact >you won't find many Wiccans trying to convert you or saying any other >religion is wrong. And believe me, I've had those moments where I get >preached or glared at for being Wiccan. >--------------- >Lani Hunter writes: > >>Sayvil was thunderstruck to discover that Van wasn't succumbing to the >>leechblade as fast as he might have because he had gone and lifebonded >to >>Stef. >>The first example implies that lifebonds cannot be chosen, the second >one >>does. I don't know, maybe the bonding is chosen on some level the first >time, > > It can't be chosen. And Van didn't lifebond himself to Stef. In fact he >actually was surprised and afraid of the fact, since he was thinking 'If >being attracted to Stef is betrayal to 'Lendel's memory, what was this? >(the lifebonding).' That proves quite well that Van didn't choose to bond >to Stef. >--------------- >Renee Markowicz writes: > >>"Windrider Unchained" has some words changed also. > > So does Shadow Lover. Somehow, I think it would sound nicer if left as >Vanyel sung it. Well, part of it. :) > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >"Though my soul may set in darkness/I will rise in perfect light >I have loved the stars too fondly/to be fearful of the night." >Blessed be, Ahri-+AT+-Juno.com >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >----------geoboundary-- > ********************************************************** Josh Albers spockears-+AT+-geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4021/ Have a nice day. |-: ********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1144 **********************************