MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1148 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: relig/Great Wombat/fluff/fluff/fluff by DC Kincaid 2) Re: Barbie/Correction by 3) Re: I didn't / Recommended order. by 4) Re: relig. by 5) Re: relig. by Megan Schreiber 6) unsubbing by mishi 7) Re: rape scene by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 8) Re: Valdemar questions by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 9) Magic and Religion by "Sherry Rork" 10) off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think so! by DC Kincaid 11) Re: Magic and Religion by EWBennefeld-+AT+-worldnet.att.net (Healer Althaia) 12) Re: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think by Josh Albers 13) Re: SERRAted Edge by MTerr50791-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Magic and Religion by FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: Josh Albers- and an Ob MIsty by Lydia Hales 16) Warrl's mindspeech by Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: Josh Albers- and an Ob MIsty by kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder) 18) Re: Warrl's mindspeech by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 19) elven braid (meaning its eternally long-lived) by GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu 20) Re: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think by Kristin Moran 21) Re: Josh Albers- and an Ob MIsty by Josh Albers 22) VB: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think so! by "Daniel Svalefelt" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:28:47 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: relig/Great Wombat/fluff/fluff/fluff Message-ID: <3335AE9F.4B68-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> To any and all who are considering the worship of Wombats and building graven images in their likeness: Our great leader, the Hon. Rev. D.L.Memnoch has declared the wombat creature to be unclean and a servant of the Evil One. You yourself can see in the likeness of this foul creature's name; wom (meaning womb in Latin) and bat (a well known servant of the UNDEAD and an unclean creature) meaning in total womb of the bat or mother of the Antichrist. Our church (which will remain nameless at the moment - until the time is right to take our place at the Throne - would take any giant likeness of the Unclean Beast to be an insult unto god and reason for extreme violence. Consider this a warning! REPENT all wombat worshippers!!! Fast Fashion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:48:34 -0800 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Barbie/Correction Message-ID: <3335CF62.1667-+AT+-peak.org> Cindy Meeks wrote:

****Misty Content Alert****
>>> Cindy Meeks wrote:

No, Mar`Pai wrote this line below

>>> Oh my. Is this true, is anyone who can use "Magic" a
satanist???<snip>

And this is mine too

>>> Religon, never get to deep into it, you'll learn that black is white
>>> and white is really purple.

this is mine too.

> My Master Called me Mar`Pai, meaning Cursed Child, because I have been

> blessed/cursed with powers I cannot yet understand or control, and the
> desire to use them for good.
> I keep the name Mar`Pai to remind me that even now, as I begin to learn,
> there are others who walk in Shadow

> "From Darkness we all Come
> To darkness we all return
> But for a brief moment
> Let us all Brightly Burn."
----------
Maybe you can see now who wrote what. I only wrote the two arrow stuff.
Mar 'Pai it would be better
if you would use something to define quoted text and to set your responses
off. I know that I was
guilty of this in my original response to this missive but it was
accidental. Making sure that the "who
said what" thing is straight makes sure that you get the credit for your
wisdom or blame for your flame.
*giggle*

I'll try, but my Netscape communicator professional version will not always co-operate. I'll go ahead and let it do this stuff in HTML mode, it will confuse the heck out of some people, but should let folk know who is getting quoted.

------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:57:49 -0800 To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I didn't / Recommended order. Message-ID: <3335D18D.4C58-+AT+-peak.org> Cindy Meeks wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Someone on the list wrote (and cleverly omitted
> their name and address):
>

Hey, I didn't mean to. Blame my Netscape Communicator professional edition Pre-Release 2 (I'll be glad when I can get my boss to pick up the tab for me to get Netscape Communicator Professional edition the real thing)

> > I wish I could recomend some reading matierals. but my beliefs started
> > out Mormon Christian. Then I discovered Shakina, then I learned
> > something of Zoroastrianism and the Deva's who rule our lives.
> > Arta-Mazda/Elohim/Ishem, or whatever you call God, is really more
> > understanding than most want to give him credit for. Listen with your
> > Heart, you will under stand.
>
> I have a sneaking suspicion that it was Rune, simply because that was the
> signature with this post.

Sorry Cynedd, the top part was from an anonymous list member not me. My
part of the post starts at "I've been leaving my $0.02 out..." Actually,
my note
had not been finished when my fiancee kindly sent it for me before closing
my
e-mail. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.

I would stop being anonymous if I knew how/why. Guess it just doesn't like my Netscape.

I do agree that we've seen enough of this subject to last a long time.
Actually
it seemed to have been a great open discussion of religions and how they
compare to the world of Velgarth until Josh spoke up. I did request
further
information from some of our other list friends however, my request was
that
people contact me privately for further discussion. Again, due to the
premature
sending of this post, my e-mail address was not included at the bottom of
the
post.

Oh, I'm supposed to put that there. Sorry. A friend told me how to get on this list, didn't mention that little thing to me, does this mean I get to make a cool signature file.
:-)

Hmmm.... this seems to cause a lot of problems. People requesting
information
to be sent to them off list but others not knowing how to do this. Should
we all
make sure our e-mail addresses are in our signatures if we post? *shrug*

Might be a good idea. then again, I know a few people who's bosses might not like that. Mine can't say anything my e-mail is something I pay for myself from a different service. But I do have a few friends who's bosses don't know they do usenet.

Rune

Call me Cindy... Call me Rune... I'd sing you a song but can't carry a
tune!!!
Visit my homepage at http://home1.gte.net/cmeeks/index.htm

You can call me Mar`Pai, or simply Mar if the full one is to much.
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:07:12 -0800 To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: relig. Message-ID: <3335D3C0.735-+AT+-peak.org> sage f blackhart wrote:

--to Cindy <its Ahriman:)> the "darkness" <no Ahriman on here did NOT
know that when she made her name..but she is a good wiccan :) >

Thanx. Spelling is NOT my strong point. I'm better at manipulating thoughts and concepts, which might explain why I'm good at math, chemistry, physics, poetry, and sometimes writing. And to Ahriman on here, it's a very nice sounding name. If I didn't know what it ment I'ld probably use it. :-)

I saw this and was like "whoa.." I didnt think I would witness this
ignorance here on such an open minded place..

Look at Misty's books even there there is Ignorance. Look at Withan, Poor Van's father. he's certainly dealing with ignorance, and cultural conditioning. Luckily for Vanyel, he eventually realizes that he might be wrong.

I've had the bible preached at me so many times its not even funny. Just
wanted to say "if satan, says, Love one another, forgive, love the earth,
dont kill, be good to your body do not harm it." then aren't we going
about things all wrong???
Last time I checked "satan" was against all this...

Last time I looked too. To quote Oathbreakers. "This is a good land, yours. it deserves good servants, strong defenders--vigilant champions to guard it and hold it safe as My Hands hold Mine. Do we not all serve to drive back the Dark, each in his own fashion? So I cry--Well met, Children of My Other Self!"
And
"The let white Sword and black serve as they are meant--to cleave the True Darkness, and not each other, as you each feared might befall"
(I LOVE the philosphy in Misty's books, so much of it makes GOOD sence

-Blessed Be-
Sagey
Sage.Blackhart-+AT+-Juno.com
Weep no more, thine child, time has left ye to grow wild, weep no more,
thus shall we smile, war is gone, grow now child

Mar`Pai, Phoenician Cursed Child
And I'm cursed with a brain.

------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:34:20 -0700 From: Megan Schreiber To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: relig. Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970324013420.006942a8-+AT+-cougarnet.byu.edu> At 01:39 AM 3/24/97 +0000, you wrote: > >sage f blackhart wrote: > Pardon...but what's with the HTML postings? I can't read this... Wyvern http://www.byu.edu/~mschreib ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 21:55:41 -0500 From: mishi To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: unsubbing Message-ID: <3335ED2D.5588-+AT+-mail.ptdprolog.net> Well, I hate admit it but I'm leaving this list, at least for a while. Most of you at this point don't even know me I haven't posted to the list in a while. Currently this list holds no more interest for me. I used to find it enjoyable but with all the bickering and the rude comments going on I find it annoying. I don't have time for something that I don't enjoy.Perhaps sometime in the future I will rejoin the list. To those that know me trust me it's not because of you I'm leaving. Mishi, Goddess of Hyperness and Overbubbliness ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:43:06 -0800 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: rape scene Message-ID: khu286-+AT+-merle.acns.nwu.edu (Kay Huang Perry) wrote: >Arrows, and the Oath series. The last sets of books (Gryphon, Mage and Storm) >don't seem to have this scenario played out, though the latter trilogies Doesn't what Hanewahtshisface does to his "clients" in WG count as rape? Sure does to me. And he plans to do same to Winterhart, before his untimely (years too late) demise. David Tiffany, Gurge da typots ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:43:09 -0800 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemar questions Message-ID: "Pamela Lunsford" wrote: >On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:28:16 GMT, D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker wrote: >>need to do is come up with and equation relating horses being ridden as fast >>as possible night and day with frequent changes of horse and rider >that as a model. Each rider rode for 60-75 miles and rode SIX different horses. >So each horse only had to go flat out for 10-15 miles. If you look at the section I snipped down to here, I did point that out. Davdi Tuiffany, God od Typos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 21:48:35 -0700 From: "Sherry Rork" To: "Misty Notes" Subject: Magic and Religion Message-ID: <199703240457.VAA17062-+AT+-host.yab.com> This is my first time reading all of the notes that get posted by everybody, and I was pretty amazed at what all is going on. IF everybody who is complaining about what is good and what is evil, just take a minute and think on what Dean Eclarth said in AoQ. Paraphrased!!! Magic is not evil in its self, it is HOW it is used, just like any other thing that can be turned for good OR for evil. So instead of attacking people who are using magic for good, find those people who are abusing it and attack them. This religion thing that is going around is absolutely nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Each person has a RIGHT to worship how and whom they choose. It is NOT up to other people to criticize others for what they believe. That's my two cents worth. Zhai'helleva Tarma Night Hawke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:56:09 -0500 From: DC Kincaid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think so! Message-ID: <33360969.38F8-+AT+-peace.oaktree.net> Apologies for this, but it will tie into LHM in a moment. I've just watched 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea on CBS this Sunday. If anyone else watched it, perhaps they know why I am angry. Not only did this movie distort everything in the book, but there was some kind of preachy agenda, the usual American sexual obsessiveness, and really bad acting. I would appreciate it if email would be sent to the marketing departmant at http://www.cbs.com explaining why you hated this movie (assuming anyone else watched it). Now, some of you have said, gee, would it not be cool to have a LHM TV movie! I think that this shows that not only can the networks not be trusted to leave a plot alone, but they will politicize anything for their own unknowable reasons. LHM would be ruined by any contact with commercial TV producers and probably movie producers as well. I repeat, Van would be a confused, abused straight boy who everyone takes advantage of until he is used up, and Lassie would be his companion. I HATE this! Garbage! They even spelled mobilis in mobili wrong. They spelled it mobilis in mobile for some reason. Barbarian, stupid, undereducated... Fast Fashion http://www.oaktree.net/angel1 Porsche, there is no substitute! mobilis in mobili ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 05:37:55 GMT From: EWBennefeld-+AT+-worldnet.att.net (Healer Althaia) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic and Religion Message-ID: <333912e0.9050211-+AT+-mailhost.worldnet.att.net> On Mon, 24 Mar 97 05:07:51 +0000, you wrote: >Paraphrased!!! > Magic is not evil in its self, it is HOW it is used, just like any = other >thing that=20 > can be turned for good OR for evil. =20 >So instead of attacking people who are using magic for good, find those >people who are abusing it and attack them. > >snipped > > Zhai'helleva > Tarma Night Hawke > Perhaps, by the same token, religion in and of itself is not good or evil, but can be used as a tool for either purpose? Healer Althaia ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/6505/ (Updated 22 March 1997 & SF Reading List updated this week) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:23:29 -0600 From: Josh Albers To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970324002329.0069afe0-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> I believe this movie was Disney's. Just send Email to Disney. They had a remake of the movie and made it a little more suitable for kids. It was scripted many years ago and that is why the film was bad. At 05:10 AM 3/24/97 GMT, you wrote: > Postage paid by: Apologies for this, but it will tie into LHM in >a moment. I've just watched 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea on CBS this >Sunday. If anyone else watched it, perhaps they know why I am angry. Not >only did this movie distort everything in the book, but there was some kind >of preachy agenda, the usual American sexual obsessiveness, and really bad >acting. I would appreciate it if email would be sent to the marketing >departmant at http://www.cbs.com explaining why you hated this movie >(assuming anyone else watched it). Now, some of you have said, gee, would >it not be cool to have a LHM TV movie! I think that this shows that not >only can the networks not be trusted to leave a plot alone, but they will >politicize anything for their own unknowable reasons. LHM would be ruined >by any contact with commercial TV producers and probably movie producers as > well. I repeat, Van would be a confused, abused straight boy who everyone >takes advantage of until he is used up, and Lassie would be his companion. >I HATE this! Garbage! They even spelled mobilis in mobili wrong. They >spelled it mobilis in mobile for some reason. Barbarian, stupid, >undereducated... Fast Fashion http://www.oaktree.net/angel1 Porsche, there >is no substitute! mobilis in mobili ********************************************************** Josh Albers spockears-+AT+-geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4021/ Have a nice day. |-: ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:28:04 -0500 (EST) From: MTerr50791-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SERRAted Edge Message-ID: <970324062802_1151295330-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> Robert N. Charrette and Mark Shepard wrotes so urban fantasies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Magic and Religion Message-ID: <970324074539_1749540563-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> Healer Althaia writes: > Perhaps, by the same token, religion in and of itself is not good > or evil, but can be used as a tool for either purpose? > > Healer Althaia Just so and Just so again! Wiccan List members, I don't know about you but this was _my_ first lesson. "The sourse is never good nor bad, it it what you do with the power that can make it so." Stallion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Lydia Hales To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Josh Albers- and an Ob MIsty Message-ID: I'm not going to join in the flaming of Josh. Others have done a much better job than I could, and I agree with them. Above all, a Christian should show compassion and love for his/her neighbors. I just want to say this: To those of you that my Chritian brother offended, I am sorry. This is not the God of love and forgiveness that I know and worship. Please don't believe that Josh's ignorance and his judgmental beliefs are shared by all CHristians. I do not know anything about Wicca (besides what little is included in Misty books). If some of you who do practice this religion would be so kind as to email me privately with the general scope of what you believe, I would appreciate it. Ob Misty In BTS, Warrl can Minspeak (and read the thoughts of ) Tarma. Yet, Kero is amused by Warrl's comments while playing a strategy game. SHe is even more amused because Daren cannot hear them. Why? If Warrl canMindspeak those w/o the gift, why can't daren hear him? I know that I am probably missing the obvious. The only reason that I can think of is that Warrl can speak to Tarma because of their bond? If so, then why is a Mindspeaking Gift apparently neccesary in order for a Companion to talk to their Chosen? Lady Lydia Priestess of Music, Keeper of Brass Instruments psu07362-+AT+-odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Lonehawk2-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Warrl's mindspeech Message-ID: <970324141648_853707615-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> Lady Lyida writes: "In BTS, Warrl can Minspeak (and read the thoughts of ) Tarma. Yet, Kero is amused by Warrl's comments while playing a strategy game. SHe is even more amused because Daren cannot hear them. Why? If Warrl canMindspeak those w/o the gift, why can't daren hear him? I know that I am probably missing the obvious. The only reason that I can think of is that Warrl can speak to Tarma because of their bond? If so, then why is a Mindspeaking Gift apparently neccesary in order for a Companion to talk to their Chosen?" A mindspeaking gift is necessary not for a Companion to talk to their Chosen, but for the Chosen to talk to their Companion. Yes there is a difference. Companions can talk to anyone they choose, but they choose not to use this gift except in dire emergencies, or if they're cranky and rebellions like Sayviel, Kero's companion. Warrl can speak to anyone whom he chooses if he wants to, (correct me if I'm wrong in any of this, anyone) Tarma can hear him because he projects to her, and because they're bonded. However, she doesn't really talk to him - she thinks at him and he picks up her thoughts - that is the extent of his mindspeaking ability - it's a far reach. Kero can mindspeak very well so she and Warrl would have no problems communicating. However, Daren doesn't have this ability, so unless Warrl decides on purpose to :SHOUT: into his head, Daren can't hear him, and of course Warrl wouldn't oblige him so much as to grace him with his mental presense Hope this explains it! 'hawk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:34:05 -0400 From: kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Josh Albers- and an Ob MIsty Message-ID: Lydia Hales asked: > If Warrl >canMindspeak those w/o the gift, why can't daren hear him? I think Daren can't here him because A)Most likely, It's a simple case of Warrl not speaking to him. B)Daren's Gift is such that Warrl has to go out of his way to speak to him because Daren only has a weak/latent Gift. I personally think it's a case of Warrl simply not bothering to let him in on the secret, he seemed to have enough of a handle on his Gift that only those who he wanted to hear him, in fact wasn't he suprised that Jadrek could hear him because he was usually in control of such things? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:56:43 -0600 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Warrl's mindspeech Message-ID: <199703241955.AA042473354-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> > Warrl can speak to anyone whom he chooses if he >wants to, (correct me if I'm wrong in any of this, anyone) Remember that Warrl also let Jadrek hear 'him' talk. Tarma was _very_ surprised at this little devoplment, IIRC. Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:07:49 -0600 (CST) From: GRAYMT-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK Subject: elven braid (meaning its eternally long-lived) Message-ID: <970324140749.24a4945e-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu> Aimee Dowd > ObMisty: So Van, Stef, and 'Fandes got to hang out in the Forest of >Sorrows after they died, right? What about Gala? Or maybe, since the bond was >broken when she repudiated him, he won't miss her much? It's pretty much been decided that since she repudiated him that she didn't deserve to be with them or didn't wan't to be with them. ::Frown:: I don't like that but... So anyway, I wonder...What about Tylendel's twin? They had a major, mondo twin bond, ::hold's hands out to there:: Which I think is nearly the same as a life-bond. After all, his twin's death was the major reason Tyl went insane, but you never hear of him again..shouldn't he be in the Forest too? After all if he could have gotten over his vengeful streak, Savil said he could have been Chosen. So, why shouldn't he be with his twin? **************************************************************** Aimee asked: >.I just have one last thing to say about LHM, and then I'll stop. In MPawn >Savil makes a joke that, no matter how many times I read it, I just do not get. It's in how you read it: ::grin:: She just asked Va to take her with him and Stef to visit his parents. He says yes. Then: "'Give me two days,' Savil said, looking eager 'Don't take more than that,' Vanyel told her, as he got up and headed for the door. 'Why(?) *would I take more than that*' she asked.*with a grin and teasing sound to her voice* *Even* 'You *the well known peacock* don't take ~that~ long to pack!'" (115) He being incredibly tired then ignores the teasing and continues, that he will lose his courage if he doesn't hurry. All the stuff in astericks I added for clarity (just in case you couldn't figure out why your edition didnt' match mine ::mischevious grin:: ************************************************************************ HTH > Here we had this neat set-up, and the interesting idea of a Herald assassin, I felt the opportunity was wasted as well, ::sigh:: And I subscribe to the He-came-in-over-the-border-as-an-adult-and- therefore-didn't-need-much-extra-training-and-could-therefore-get away-with-not-being-well-known, school of thought. ************************************************************ Fireheart >and with all the lightbulb jokes... I gotta do it... if there are any V:tM >players... >How many Toreador does it take to screw in a lightbulb? ROTFL! As Evangelist of Low Humor I must say...Bravo, Encore! And add, How many flies does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Just two. ************************************************************* Deniz > It really got me that the >assassin-Herald, after explaining how rare, precious, beautiful, etc. the >butterfly is... caught and mounted it!!!!! When he brought out that display >case, I about screamed in outrage! I had the same reaction! Carrach says his thought was that since the butterfly seemed short lived that he had found one, waited till it died and then preserved it...making it last a lot longer than it would have dead in the snow. Chantal on the same subject said: >Deniz--But, but...of he caught and mounted it. He was an >Assassin-Herald, right? And again I must add that, that was my second reaction! Bravo for cynical humor!! ************************************************************** Cennyd: There is something wrong with saying that people do things because "they are bad." I think that if you turn that around that it is right. People are bad because they do bad things. The old "by their works you will know them" theory. In other words I think the bad deeds are causal of them being called bad people not vice versa. **************************************************************** Aimee wrote: > On the subject of Van's disappearing Bardic gift: I forget who brought >this up -- was it Nightdancer? -- but I'm glad you did. This occurs to me >every time I read that line ("Vanyel had them all. Each channel she tested -- >with the sole exception of Healing -- was open....") I've always thought this was another case of how you read it, but the most important part is the first sentance.."Vanyel had them all." The rest could be read.."Each channel she tested with the sole exception of Healing...*and* most had been forced open to their widest extent." Thus showin he had Healing but it hadn't been fully opened. *asterick is mine* ******************************************************************* Kimberly >Hmmph. *thinking over that* Yes. But Misty defines evil as "a kind of >ultimate greed, a greed so all encompassing that it can't ever see anything >lovely, rare, or precious without wanting to possess it. A greed so total >that if it can't possess these things, it will destroy them rather than >chance that someone else might have them. And a greed so intense that even >having these things never causes it to lessen one iota -- the lovely, the >rare and the precious never affect it except to make it want them" (p 210 >AFlight, Dirk) I thought this was a perfect quote to outline Misty's seeming views on Evil, it seems to crop up in all her books in one form or another. That is why her villians have to be dog-kicking, child molesting, vicious, horrible, with no redeeming qualities. Bad People are only Evil if they are really, really bad... If they are redeemable then they aren't truely Evil, they just need to find the error of their ways. Like the guy that Talia put into an emotional loop so that he felt everything that he had done to his daughter, if he ever felt sorry for what he did and *repented* then he would be released and supposedly forgiven, as he had already been punished and would no longer be *Bad*. ****************** Glithoniel >Actually, Gwena does lie. You have to ask the correct questions. Its still a lie >of omission. It makes me wonder if thats the reason that Gwena needed to be Gborn, going back to the other thread, is that only Gborn can lie and *directly* affect minds of mortals... Roland and Gwena are the only 2 who do that directly, right? And other times that people seem to be affected, is when the Gborn are controlling it through other companions in a major meld. And if you consider that Gwena knew her Chosen was stubborn, she could have pushed for going to the other mage for training just so that Elspeth would rebel and go to the Tayladres which is where Gwena actually *wanted* her to go...twisted, but if they can lie, it makes sense. ************************************************************** Dana / Fast Fashion: >The Jedi never recovered. I think it was because there were so few of >us left that Palpatine and Vader managed to get such power. ROTFL & WTWTTB (Wiping tears while trying to breathe) I must say, that I love your sense of humor, so quick, cutting edge.. thank you for spreading a little more ......humor. ************************************************************* Shane! ::Holding up had and waving:: yoo hoo! I managed to lose your e-mail address, I'm in Tulsa. Could ya send it to :graymt-+AT+-centum.utulsa.edu? ***************************************************************** I agree with The Penguin on the topic of religion on list. Religion is something that pops up about every 2 months. And religion (no matter what flavor) or lack of religion, influences everyone's perceptions on daily life and how the understand what they read. And as there are elements of it in Misty's books, it is valid discussion material. ** Josh, ease up, buddy. Tolerance is the key to good relations on the list, not shoving your beliefs down everyone else's throats. Remember turn the other cheek, and if you can't say something constructive then it's better left unsaid. ** Well said, Lee the Nourished ********************************************** Uh-oh, ::sheeps head:: I forgot who said this: >Tanya Huff has done a number of urban fantasy novels, Don't forget the Vicki Nelson series, Blood "fill in the blank". They are much like the Diana T. books. >Anyway, did anyone else after reading the Serrated edge and related >novles (I love Tannim) feel the need to check if all the tall blond people >they saw had pointed ears? Anybody else have elf candidates? Yes, yes, yes! Of course I check people with dark hair too, because illusions could be more comprehesive than just eyes and ears! I've seen three or four people, none of them famous, that I said to myself, or Carrach, "That guy *has* to be an elf" ::grin:: Let's see, for famous people...Kevin Sorbo, and Dolph Lundgren? ************************************************** Shyhawk: > Of course then she gets killed and the story >goes on and Van feels incredibly guilty. What I want to know is if >anybody else thinks that his thoughts are really out of character here. Yes, that particular section has always bothered me. It seems alot more callus than Van ever is. It just seemed really out of the blue, it may have been needed for plot progression, but I think it could have been worked in more gradually from the beginning, especially since at the begining of the book, he was suspicious of the death's too. **************************************************** Cennyd hazarded: >(snip)singing "Lady of Stars" in a really penetrating, >but not terribly good, soprano head-voice. Oh, OH! I can't breathe, I'm dying, Please stop! :D ****************************************************** And, as for Misty's "red-headed step-child" books... I love them all, yes, I am gushing...I love all her books and especially the non-Velgarth ones and would be happy to discuss them! ::grin:: especially any of them that have ELVES!!!!! <- count'em! ***************************************************** So, good day or good eventime, whichever it is for you and smile! Laughter is the best medicine. Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves Lady of the Unicorns, Evangelist of Low Humor "Not half as sweet as rotting meat" - Legend, the lead goblin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kristin Moran To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think Message-ID: As a former Disney castmember, I can tell you with almost complete certainty that last night's 2000 Leagues was NOT made by Disney, so please don't email them. Disney owns ABC, not CBS (the network on which the remake was shown) and if they're going to present one of their films, they put it on their own network. ABC was purchased last summer, while I was on the WDW College Program. The only times I've known Disney to have their material on other networks is when other networks ask to telecast, for a price of course (ie., the rededication of Walt Disney World, Oct. 1, 1996, which was on CBS -- I'm glad I double-checked the tv listings b4 setting the VCR, cuz I'd assumed it would be on ABC). Also, re: what order to read the Velgarth books. Although Cennyd makes some good points, I vote for chronological (tho since the Gryphon books are _so_ far in the past, they could definitely be read after w/o messing up one's perceptions). Remember, LHM comes before Vows&Honor, so one would know what a Herald is b4 Tarma & Kethry meet Roald. I just prefer reading things in chron. order so I don't hafta mentally figure out a timeline after the fact...course, one would hafta look at the timeline b4 starting to read the books. Just my $.02 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kristin Santina Moran ashkevrn-+AT+-expert.cc.purdue.edu http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/8250 aka Duskshadow (Dusky) on TwoMoons ; Boru -+AT+- Star Wars:Minos Cluster "I didn't join the army to shoot elephants. Especially ones that fly." -- "Operation Dumbo Drop" "There is no one true way." -- Misty Lackey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:58:40 -0600 From: Josh Albers To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Josh Albers- and an Ob MIsty Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970324145840.00693748-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> We're going to offend people by anything we do. What am I to do? Watch my step so nobody realizes that what they're doing is wrong? NOT IN A LONG SHOT. How will people know they are wrong unlesss somebody shows them? I was wrong in everything I did until somebody showed me the way of salvation. Now I am secured a place in heaven through Jesus Christ who went to the cross for me and loves me. He went to the cross for everybody, but not everyone can be saved until they turn their lives over to Him. There is much witnessing that can be done on the internet and that is what I am involved in. If you don't like it, tough. I will not stop if someone was to burn down my house. I would not stop if someone was to torture me for 10 years. I am one of Jesus' followers and will follow Him to the end, no buts about it. You may try to convince me otherwise, but my heart will not change. The Holy Spirit is doing some miraculous things in the world and I want to be a part of it. Plus I do not hate any of you. I love the sinner and hate the sin. And don't say anything about the US's freedom of religion stuff to me. The US may accept it, but the US government is a nonperfect government set up my nonperfect people. At 07:06 PM 3/24/97 GMT, you wrote: > Postage paid by: I'm not going to join in the flaming of Josh. >Others have done a much better job than I could, and I agree with them. >Above all, a Christian should show compassion and love for his/her >neighbors. I just want to say this: To those of you that my Chritian >brother offended, I am sorry. This is not the God of love and forgiveness >that I know and worship. Please don't believe that Josh's ignorance and >his judgmental beliefs are shared by all CHristians. I do not know >anything about Wicca (besides what little is included in Misty books). If >some of you who do practice this religion would be so kind as to email me >privately with the general scope of what you believe, I would appreciate >it. Ob Misty In BTS, Warrl can Minspeak (and read the thoughts of ) Tarma. > Yet, Kero is amused by Warrl's comments while playing a strategy game. >SHe is even more amused because Daren cannot hear them. Why? If Warrl >canMindspeak those w/o the gift, why can't daren hear him? I know that I >am probably missing the obvious. The only reason that I can think of is >that Warrl can speak to Tarma because of their bond? If so, then why is a >Mindspeaking Gift apparently neccesary in order for a Companion to talk to >their Chosen? Lady Lydia Priestess of Music, Keeper of Brass Instruments >psu07362-+AT+-odin.cc.pdx.edu ********************************************************** Josh Albers spockears-+AT+-geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/4021/ Have a nice day. |-: ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:38:53 +0100 From: "Daniel Svalefelt" To: "Mercedes Lackey Maillinglist" Subject: VB: off topic/20000 Leagues Under the Sea/fluff?I don't think so! Message-ID: <199703242110.WAA29276-+AT+-d1o17.telia.com> > Now, some of you have said, gee, would it not be cool to have a LHM TV > movie! I think that this shows that not only can the networks not be > trusted to leave a plot alone, but they will politicize anything for > their own unknowable reasons. LHM would be ruined by any contact with > commercial TV producers and probably movie producers as well. I > repeat, Van would be a confused, abused straight boy who everyone takes > advantage of until he is used up, and Lassie would be his companion. I > HATE this! Garbage! They even spelled mobilis in mobili wrong. They > spelled it mobilis in mobile for some reason. Barbarian, stupid, > undereducated... Why is LHM, or Mistys books in general great? Is it the amazingly exiting stories? Is it the environment? No. It is because you know every character extremely well. You see everything in the characters point of view, and reads what he things. She can write a chapter about i.e. a ride from x to y, without dialogs or anything special happened, to be interesting, because you reads what the person thinks, and after the first book you know exactly what the person is going to do. I don't think a movie would be possible, without loosing all the feeling. I think it would be hard to understand why he do things, without explain why. The whole story is based on what he thinking, and feeling. If you make a drama with a little fantasy environment, its possible, but I don not think you can get half the feeling, even if you make a "thought-voice" that tells a bit of what he thinking. I want to see a movie based on some of Mistys work too, but I'm not depending on it. /The Swallow ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1148 **********************************