MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1158 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tayledras language by Mark and Tracy 2) Off subject. Re: Dream Time by smch-+AT+-juno.com (Staci Michele Carina Hempfling) 3) Re: OneTrueWay/Listmail/ by "Fawcett, Erika" 4) Re: Tayledras language by smch-+AT+-juno.com (Staci Michele Carina Hempfling) 5) Elvenbane then FR and wicca fluff by "I Huchex" 6) Re: Avatars by Chris & Sean Talbot 7) Re: Avatars by coppers-+AT+-pacifier.com (C M) 8) Re: OneTrueWay/Listmail/ by coppers-+AT+-pacifier.com (C M) 9) Wind to thy wings, FR fluff -again- (sorry!) by "I Huchex" 10) multiple lifebond?? by KirkSteven-+AT+-aol.com 11) lifebonds,aack I know you want this subject to die but... by kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder) 12) Dragon*Con by Cristilyn Lawton 13) Re: multiple lifebond?? by LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Dragon*Con by EWBennefeld-+AT+-worldnet.att.net (Healer Althaia) 15) Re: Wind to thy wings, FR fluff -again- (sorry!) by Jennifer Dorn 16) Re: lifebonds,aack I know you want this subject to die but... by "Rachel E. Rissetto" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:35:38 -0800 From: Mark and Tracy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tayledras language Message-ID: <3342D12A.400-+AT+-worldnet.att.net> Auvergnes-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > I think the Tayledras language is indeed a beauiful one, and > I use ke'chara and ashke, Zhai'elleva, etc, as affection names for my very > good friends. I was wondering, is there some kind of a book out there that > is something of a small Tayledras - English dictionary? I know there's one > for Shin'a'in in the back of Oathbound. If there is one I'd be greatly > interested in hearing of it! > thanks > Eleni Go to the website 'Firesong's Vale' (part of the Heraldic Circle). There is a link to mercedes.lackey, where you can then hop to a brief listing of known Shin'a'in, Tayledras and Kaledin words. There is probably a shorter route, I am new enough to the net to still consider myself cyber challanged. Wind to thy Wings Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:55:31 PST From: smch-+AT+-juno.com (Staci Michele Carina Hempfling) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Off subject. Re: Dream Time Message-ID: <19970402.145609.9654.1.smch-+AT+-juno.com> On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 04:45:46 +0100 (BST) DC Kincaid writes: >I need a Daniel: > > I had a dream the other night. I was lying on my back in my >old >neighborhood, before they built the housing development and there was >still a field behind my house, looking up at the comet that we have >been >enjoying lately. As I looked up, it seemed that the comet was >breaking >apart, and flaming pieces of it were falling, some seemingly aimed >towards me. One stuck a bird on the way down. The bird burst into >flame, dipped toward the ground then recovered and flew into the wood. > >I was afraid that the trees would catch fire, but they did not. >Meanwhile, these round balls of flame were falling around my >neighborhood, starting small fires. I ran to my neighbor's yelling, >"Fire", got an extinguisher and put out the small fires. When we cut >open the cooling balls, we found McDonalds food inside. I think the >fireballs were burned basketballs. > I need an interpreter for this. This dream was VERY vivid. > >Fast Fashion >Dana >http://www.oaktree.net/angel1 >angel1-+AT+-oaktree.net > McDonald's food? I dunno, maybe your stomach was just trying to tell you that you deserve a break today. :) smch-+AT+-juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:44:20 -0500 From: "Fawcett, Erika" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OneTrueWay/Listmail/ Message-ID: <199704022344.SAA51283-+AT+-postoffice.onu.edu> DISCLAIMER: Okay, now please accept that this is just my opinion, I'm not directing this at anyone, or any religion, any group of religions, and group of people/animals/lifeforms or whatever. I just happen to like discussing beliefs in abstract, but if you feel you will be offended please trash this note now, because that is not my intention. At 22:13 4/2/97 +0100, Kenneth wrote: > BTW, sorry to raise the spector of religion again, but >this always struck me as similar to the admonition in many Christian >denominations that you shouldn't pray for a particular outcome. You >should simply pray for God's will to be done. The reasoning was along the >same lines: how can mortals know the mind of the divine? And what if the >outcome you are praying for goes against some part of divine will? I always wondered about that. You get two little league baseball teams being lead by a coach in prayers that the other team loses. I don't mean to sound callus, but it seems like a waste of prayer, why should the Powers That Be need to get involved in something so trivial in the overall picture (at least I hope the entire future doesn't rest on the outcome of a little league game) and wouldn't he/she/they/it already know that both sides want to win? I can see calling for a moment of silence, or praying that you personally do your best that day, but praying against somebody . . . and that would be what the churches in valdemar would be doing if they were praying for Valdemars victory. I suspect they are allowed to pray for the welfare, wisdom, strength and whatnot of the armies, just not against the others. Wouldn't it be nice if people could leave the judging to the appropriate authorities and only ask good things for themselves and others? "I wish I could forgive him" is much nicer than "Please hit him with a thunderbolt so that I may sow his ashes with salt and dance on his grave" :) And in case you are wondering, I am not Christian, pagan, muslim or even a member of the Great Wombat Church, I'm just me. And I intend to remain that way. ---Erika "Now I know I could have walked through the walls." --The Last Unicorn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:59:26 PST From: smch-+AT+-juno.com (Staci Michele Carina Hempfling) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tayledras language Message-ID: <19970402.170054.4950.0.smch-+AT+-juno.com> On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:26:37 +0100 (BST) Mark and Tracy writes: >Go to the website 'Firesong's Vale' (part of the Heraldic Circle). There is a link to >mercedes.lackey, where you can then hop to a brief listing of known Shin'a'in, >Tayledras and Kaledin words. There is probably a shorter route, I am new enough to >the net to still consider myself cyber challanged. > >Wind to thy Wings >Tracy > For those interested, I tracked down the URL to FireSong's Vale and it's: http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/4023/ The URL for the Shin'a'in, Tayledras, an Kaled'a'in dictionary is: http://kauhajoki.fi/~jusantal/dragon/valdemar.html smch-+AT+-juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:17:01 -0600 From: "I Huchex" To: Subject: Elvenbane then FR and wicca fluff Message-ID: <199704030016.SAA02737-+AT+-dns.plano.net> Heyla, people! I was looking through the archives(970331-1155) and I saw a post on Elvenbane\Elvenblood. Lonehawk said, >I know that basically Dyran was the scum of the earth and he deserved > to die, but every time I reread the book, I just end up feeling some sort >of... well... admiration for the guy. I'd like to say that there is something about Lord Dyran (At least in MHO) that just makes you admire him. Power? Maybe.... (I admire him too..) Anyone else feel this way? Fluff time!! Has anyone read the R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Drizzt Do'Urden books? Please E-mail me if you have, but *don't* send it to the list. Oh yeah.. Wicca is a kind of witchcraft. A good page is at http://www.realtime.no/~haaheim/viking/wicca/ Zha'hai'allav'a, Ashara shena Tale'sedrin Huchex-+AT+-dallas.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:43:13 -0500 From: Chris & Sean Talbot To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Avatars Message-ID: <199704030243.VAA18283-+AT+-relief.idirect.com> At 11:41 PM 4/1/97 +0100, you wrote: >Jennifer Dorn mentions a lifebond between Tre'valen and Dawnfire. Are >they lifebonded. I know that they're in love, etc. but nothing in any >of the books leads me to believe they're lifebonded. Trevalen and DawnFire were never lifebonded. They are in my opinion kindred souls. Since they really aren't human anymore they are basically spirit. Remember Trevelen died and DawnFire was taken by the Goddess. So I doubt they are lifebonded. They may very well say that is some other book. >On a slightly different subject, Firesong and Silverfox. Are they life- >bonded? I don't have a strong opinion, just want to know what the >prevailing wisdom is. SilverFox and Firesong are definately not lifebonded in any of the books I have read. Firesong keeps acting as if lifebonding is something great. And the Kestra Chern doesn't even like the idea of lifebonding because he job is for the entire people. Sort of like the Sword Sworn. I really doubt they are lifebonded either Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:16:45 -0800 From: coppers-+AT+-pacifier.com (C M) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Avatars Message-ID: <199704030323.TAA07755-+AT+-mail.pacifier.com> >Lisa wrote: >>> there no one true way in Valdemar? The answer to that one seems kind >>> of obvious. But the second question has me stumped (doesn't mean >>> that the answer isn't equally obvious though). He asks her why the >>> clergy is forbidden by law to pray for Valdemar's victory in battle. >>> Any ideas? > but is there no one true way because Valdemar was settled by >people of so many different faiths?? >>Perhaps the clergy is fobidden to pray because although the followers are >required to get along (by Valdemar law) there is nothing that says the Gods get along. > >I believe that the 'no one, true way' idea came about because the people >were gathered in from so many different places, they all had different >customs, practices, dress, and, of course, gods. So if you declared one way >to be true, the majority of the population would be out of luck. Not just in >the religious sense, but also just in the way they conducted day-to-day life. > >When the clergy is forbidden to pray for Valdemar's victory, I think of it >this way. (Bear with me while I try to explain.) If there is no one, true >way...then it isn't necessarily assured that Valdemar will win. Perhaps it's >better this time for the 'other guy' to win. If the clergy is praying for >Valdemar's victory, they are basically praying for one, true way. Valdemar's >victory. To allow for many different ways and outcomes, you have to let >things go as they will. Sure, pray for the army to fight as best as it can, >but don't pray that they will -win-. You don't necessarily have the right >way of life, so don't impose it on others. Not even through victory in battle. > >I think I explained it semi-coherently. Seems that way to me. The concept of "no one true way" is undoubtedly because of the multiplicity of peoples each with their own god(dess). I always assumed the reason for the ban on victory prayers lay with the presence of the Companions. Just their presence gives Valdemar an edge on the rest of the world to begin with. Also, because they were a gift of all the gods(Aof the Q) you might find a herald praying for victory against the people of his/her companion's previous human incarnation. (((0))) Copper Squirrel in the Virtual Tree ((((%)))) Coppers-+AT+-pacifier.com, Portland, OR (((((0))))) ((((((|)))))) (((((#))))) \|/ \|/ -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- \|/__________________|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:17:45 -0800 From: coppers-+AT+-pacifier.com (C M) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: OneTrueWay/Listmail/ Message-ID: <199704030324.TAA07948-+AT+-mail.pacifier.com> >DISCLAIMER: > >Okay, now please accept that this is just my opinion, I'm not directing this >at anyone, or any religion, any group of religions, and group of >people/animals/lifeforms or whatever. I just happen to like discussing >beliefs in abstract, but if you feel you will be offended please trash this >note now, because that is not my intention. > > >At 22:13 4/2/97 +0100, Kenneth wrote: >> BTW, sorry to raise the spector of religion again, but >>this always struck me as similar to the admonition in many Christian >>denominations that you shouldn't pray for a particular outcome. You >>should simply pray for God's will to be done. The reasoning was along the >>same lines: how can mortals know the mind of the divine? And what if the >>outcome you are praying for goes against some part of divine will? > >I always wondered about that. You get two little league baseball teams being >lead by a coach in prayers that the other team loses. I don't mean to sound >callus, but it seems like a waste of prayer, why should the Powers That Be >need to get involved in something so trivial in the overall picture (at >least I hope the entire future doesn't rest on the outcome of a little >league game) and wouldn't he/she/they/it already know that both sides want >to win? Or as Bill Cosby quotes God on all the prayers coming from gamblers in Las Vegas "Bust em ALL!" (((0))) Copper Squirrel in the Virtual Tree ((((%)))) Coppers-+AT+-pacifier.com, Portland, OR (((((0))))) ((((((|)))))) (((((#))))) \|/ \|/ -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- * -+AT+- \|/__________________|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:42:12 -0600 From: "I Huchex" To: Subject: Wind to thy wings, FR fluff -again- (sorry!) Message-ID: <199704031340.HAA02977-+AT+-dns.plano.net> I'm wondering- How do you spell "wind to thy wings" in Shin'a'in? I *think* it is spelled differently in By the Sword and Oathbound\Oathbreakers. Sorry for fluffin' y'all again, but if you don't want to hear about F. Realms, SKIP the rest of this message!!! Ok... I really really really love those books. (only have read 3/10 but who cares.) You can find a bunch of cool sites by looking up "drizzt", "drow," and "R.A. Salvatore". I have book two of the first two trilogies, but I am determined not to read "Streams of Silver" until I find the Crystal shard. Anyone reading this play AD&D? Oh yeah, Storm, *please* send me your E-mail address so we don't bother everyone else with way off topic fluff again. Zha'hai'allav'a, | Always remember- Illharessen zhaunil alurl. Ashara shena Tale'sedrin| AND- Oloth zhah tuth abbil lueth ogglin. Huchex-+AT+-dallas.net |Mothers know best & Darkness is both friend & enemy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: KirkSteven-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: multiple lifebond?? Message-ID: <970403093521_-1838554942-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> > On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, MELVIN NEVERGOLD wrote: > > > > If I remember right there was a woman if AoQ that had a second > > lifebonded that could not be a reincarnated (refenrce to memtion of > > extemely rare triple lifebond) **(grins & winces)**. > >> Yep, Keren was bonded to Ylsa who was killed. She then bonded with > Sherrill. > Lady Lydia If I remember correctly, Sherrill was already feeling the effects of the lifebond before Ylsa's death. It was only after the death that Sherrill's bond became obvious for what it was. I'll have to dig that one back out. :-) Kirk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:28:33 -0400 From: kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: lifebonds,aack I know you want this subject to die but... Message-ID: All right has anyone ever noticed that at least one of a lifebonded pair has a communications gift....this may have something to do with the rareness among the general population and the fact that it is prevalent among heralds. Van-Stef/'Lendel--Both Van and Tylendel have mind speach (though not while they're together) Stef has the Bardic Gift and that is very close to progective empathy Mardic-Donni-- both have some degree of mindspeech I think Starwind-Moondance--both are strong Mindspeekers Shavri-Randal(e?)--Shavri is an Empath Randal(e?).....? Sherril-Keren-Ylsa--all have Mindspeech Talia-Dirk--Talia is a STRONG empath Kero-Eldan--Both strong Mindspeekers Selenay-Daren--both have a little something (all Heralds do) Did I miss something/someone? Shadowsong ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 03:12:15 -0500 From: Cristilyn Lawton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Dragon*Con Message-ID: <3343665F.7AC9-+AT+-mindspring.com> Is anyone else going to Dragon*Con in Atlanta to see Misty? Let me know, maybe we could meet. Love, Light, and Laughter, Herald Darla ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: multiple lifebond?? Message-ID: <970403152952_211230253-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-03 12:07:54 EST, you write: << If I remember correctly, Sherrill was already feeling the effects of the lifebond before Ylsa's death. It was only after the death that Sherrill's bond became obvious for what it was. I'll have to dig that one back out. :-) Kirk >> That is indeed correct. It would have been a 3 way lifebond if Sherrill had been a little more foreward. And apologies to all. I will be leaving the list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:35:07 GMT From: EWBennefeld-+AT+-worldnet.att.net (Healer Althaia) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dragon*Con Message-ID: <33451424.2284440-+AT+-mailhost.worldnet.att.net> I'm really disappointed at having to miss it. I'd heard that Queen's Own was going to have its own table/meeting ... something? It'd be really great to meet Misty and Larry. Healer Althaia On Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:24:21 +0000, Cristilyn Lawton wrote: >Is anyone else going to Dragon*Con in Atlanta to see Misty? Let me know, >maybe we could meet. > >Love, Light, and Laughter, > >Herald Darla ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Elizabeth's Haven http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/6505/ Featured Poet on Zippo's Internet Gallery-April 1997 http://www.zippo.com/agallery/zgallery.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:30:03 -0600 From: Jennifer Dorn To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wind to thy wings, FR fluff -again- (sorry!) Message-ID: <199704032034.OAA28386-+AT+-audumla.students.wisc.edu> At 03:16 PM 4/3/97 +0100, Huchex wrote: >I'm wondering- How do you spell "wind to thy wings" in Shin'a'in? >I *think* >it is spelled differently in By the Sword and >Oathbound\Oathbreakers. I think it was Zhai'allav'a.... Don't quote me on that. On the subject of lifebonds and gifts, this is well covered territory. I did like Kali's list of pairs, but there were a couple that didn't get mentioned.... Amberdrake & WInterhart- ??????Did either of them have communication gifts?? (And yes, they were lifebonded- check WGryphon for details) Cinnabar and Tamsin(sp?)- Is healing close enough to count? On the whole though, I agree. Lifebonds seem to happen mostly when (at least) one of the pair (or trio in Ylsa/Keren/Sherril's case) has a Gift of some sort. this seems to be enforced by Stefen's comment in WofFury Found it! This is Stefen talking Winds of Fury (p122) [pb ed.] "Van thinks that it's likelier that someone with an extremely powerful Gift of some kind and a tendency to deep depression will be lifebonded than someone who is not so burdened and hag-ridden." This would explain why so many of the lifebonded pairs are Gifted. He does say that it is likelier though, implying that it doesn't always happen that way. It just does most of the time. Ah well. It's a beautiful day outside for once (I _am_ in Wi,USA), and I promised myself I wouldn't spend all day in front of a computer =) Stars light your path, Lady Guenevere "'There is none like to me!' says the cub in the Knight-errant of the OAM pride of his earliest kill./ But the jungle is large Witch and Keeper of Gargoyles and the cub, he is small. Let him think and be still" Mistress of fire-lizards and Dragons -"Maxims of Baloo" by Rudyard Kipling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:28:36 -0500 From: "Rachel E. Rissetto" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lifebonds,aack I know you want this subject to die but... Message-ID: <334412F4.7375-+AT+-erols.com> kali holder wrote: > > All right has anyone ever noticed that at least one of a lifebonded pair > has a communications gift....this may have something to do with the > rareness among the general population and the fact that it is prevalent > among heralds. > > Van-Stef/'Lendel--Both Van and Tylendel have mind speach (though not while > they're together) Stef has the Bardic Gift and that is very close to > progective empathy > > Mardic-Donni-- both have some degree of mindspeech I think > > Starwind-Moondance--both are strong Mindspeekers > > Shavri-Randal(e?)--Shavri is an Empath Randal(e?).....? > > Sherril-Keren-Ylsa--all have Mindspeech > > Talia-Dirk--Talia is a STRONG empath > > Kero-Eldan--Both strong Mindspeekers > > Selenay-Daren--both have a little something (all Heralds do) > > Did I miss something/someone? > > Shadowsong I all ways thought that Elspeth and Darkwind were bonded. I guess your right about them all having communication gifts. -Cygar ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1158 **********************************