MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1167

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Short Braid: D*Cons
	by Barbara Slater <slaterb-+AT+-smtpgw2.musc.edu>
  2) Born with Mage Gift
	by dyanalynn-+AT+-juno.com (forever waiting)
  3) Re: lifebonds,aack I know you want this subject to die but...
	by LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com
  4) Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
	by LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Re: Van & Covers / Pregnant Mages.
	by "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" <GOLDC970-+AT+-cottey.edu>
  6) Re: Vanyel's Bardic Gifts, age of characters, etc.
	by smch-+AT+-juno.com (Staci Michele Carina Hempfling)
  7) Re: Stuffages
	by "Vrondi" <vrondi-+AT+-mail.org>
  8) (Fwd) Special Event Chat - The Last Herald Mage trilogy
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  9) Sun and Shadow
	by Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
 10) 
	by MELVIN NEVERGOLD <web5791-+AT+-charweb.org>
 11) return.....
	by Le Morgan <tzarius-+AT+-geocities.com>
 12) Re: return.....
	by Rogue Phoenix and Jasmi <welty-+AT+-TCNJ.EDU>
 13) Mage Wars
	by "McCaffrey's White Dragon" <jgipple-+AT+-clark.edu>
 14) AOL users/inhereted magegift
	by MorningStar <morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com>
 15) Unsubcribe
	by koren-+AT+-wic.net (Larry Whiteman)
 16) Mage Gift and pregnancy/Van's age/An'desha/Velgarth/Bardic Gift/Grove Born
	by StarDust21-+AT+-aol.com
 17) lotsa stuff
	by kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder)
 18) spoilers (an explanation)/mage's pregnancies
	by "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
 19) Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
	by "Crystal E. Hewitt" <MystTree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
 20) Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
	by Auvergnes-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Re: Pregnancy and Kestracherns
	by Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:47:37 -0400
From: Barbara Slater <slaterb-+AT+-smtpgw2.musc.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Short Braid: D*Cons
Message-ID: <s34b57c9.077-+AT+-smtpgw2.musc.edu>

Short Braid: D*Cons
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Herald Darla asked if anyone else was going to see Misty at D*Con:
Well, I'm planning on being there. I think we're up to 5 people in the 
room now... =) Party, Party, Party!!!!
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Scott - You've got me beat...25 years? You're Looong overdue for some fun!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Am entering lurk-mode for the time being; taxes and money 
problems and a mountain of work being the reasons.
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I realized that I had a perfect image of a Magestorm the
other night while going through some of my VCR tapes - 
namely, the F5 tornado in 'Twister' at the very end or
the nighttime one that trashed the Drive-in and Wakita...
what do you think?

Lani Hunter
Murphy's Monster, The Master of Disaster
earthstar-+AT+-geocities.com

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:21:39 EDT
From: dyanalynn-+AT+-juno.com (forever waiting)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Born with Mage Gift
Message-ID: <19970409.092328.3654.1.DyanaLynn-+AT+-juno.com>

About the probability of being born with mage gift and Falconsbane.
Noe that I think about it, it's most likely possible to tell if the kid
has mage talent before it's born.  I know worlds don't cross, but in
Darkover, the Comyn parents could sense their child after  two or so
months, and something similar is probably able to happen with the child. 
A mage gifted mother, or anyone magegifter for that matter, I'd say could
go and monitor the unborn child to se if it carries mage potential.  I'd
say that if Nyara had a child by Falconsbane and he saw that the kid
wasn't going to be a mage, he'd either abort it then and there or he'd
let it live to torture Nyara with it.  Vanyel, I'd say, didn't check his
kids out until after they were born, or else why would he have been so
surprised when Jisa *felt* him coming?

Kawryathen
"I never doubted the teachers, just the lessons they taught.
If I couldn't fill my stomach, I'd fill my head,
But I never could fill the words that I said."

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:16:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: lifebonds,aack I know you want this subject to die but...
Message-ID: <970409101532_-402473169-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-04-04 18:45:15 EST, you write:

<< Correct me if I am wrong, but in the mage winds, they seem to say that
they
 are lifebonded, and in one of the books,  Someone mentions that for a
 Herald, either it is a lifebond, or it is nothing, 'cause they are dovoted
 to their companions, then to the kingdom, to the Heralds, and last to their
 loved one. Then that someone mentions that if it is not a lifebond, the
 other partner does not feel loved enough, and the relationship does not
 work. >>
Yes and no. Someone else who has other priorities is ideal for a mate
(another Herald for instance). No need for heralds to be lifebonded to have a
mate, the mate just has to be understanding


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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
Message-ID: <970409101639_547359479-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-04-05 13:16:47 EST, you write:

<< Yes, kestra'chern do exist, in the books and in real life. Silverfox 
 in the 
 > books, and I am an apprentice in real life. Since I am underage, I do not
do 
 > everything yet, but I am to inherit the position from my master.
 > 
 > Nightdancer
 
 Nightdancer, I would also be interested to hear about your being 
 kestra'chern....  I didn't know it existed in real life with 
 masters and apprentices....you can email me privately.... 
 jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu
 
   >>
Email me too! LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com

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Date:          Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:20:17 CST
From: "CHRISTY GOLDBACH" <GOLDC970-+AT+-cottey.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Van & Covers / Pregnant Mages.
Message-ID: <408D17F6DB3-+AT+-cottey.edu>


> I'd always thought that the covers on those books were brilliant. On the 
> cover of MPrice we're shown Van in his final moments - he's fought three 
> wizards - hence the slightly scorched and raggedy look and he's standing 
> with Yfandes in the freezing cold about to call down the Final Strike to 
> take his worst enemy.  
> No, he doesn't look confident and strong.. to me he looks resolute.
> He -knows- he's going to die, he -knows- he can't win any other way and
> he knows he can -just- manage it by sacrificing both his life and Yfandes,
> which will leave Stefan to live without him.

Kerry,
That is a very good point!! I must say that after reading your 
explanation and reasoning that I look at the book cover of MPrice 
totally different!! Though there is one small problem. His hair is 
extrememly black and by this time it should only have a few streaks 
of black in it if anything at all. The cover of MPromise had more 
silver in his hair than MPrice.  I can understand why they couldn't 
do it all beceause of his head being next to 'fandes' neck but they 
could have put in some so that you could see that the silver was 
represented.  But this is a minor complaint That I can do nothing 
about.  You have given me the explanation that I needed.  I see your 
view of the book. Thank you!! 
Wind To Thy Wings,
Christy and Safa
*Christy launches Safa into the air to go feed and realizes she needs 
to work on that and work on her arm muscles for carrying the bird*

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:23:31 PST
From: smch-+AT+-juno.com (Staci Michele Carina Hempfling)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel's Bardic Gifts, age of characters, etc.
Message-ID: <19970409.083818.9342.0.smch-+AT+-juno.com>


On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:02:42 +0100 (BST) NightSong <jwrenn-+AT+-atlonline.com>
writes:
>One more thing: pregnant mages.  I seem to vaguely recall something of 
>that sort being mentioned in one of the books--anyone know for sure?
>Stars light thy paths, listsibs, and fare you well!
>NightSong
>jwrenn-+AT+-atlonline.com
>
>
I looked it up and found it in Oathbreakers (p. 63, paperback edition):

	"She's mine," Wethes said, and the expression in his eyes was
cold and 	aquisitive. "What's mine, I keep. No one robs me or
tricks me with impunity. 	I'll keep her in chains for the insult
she's done me--chains of her own body. 	She'll do to breed a
dozen heirs, and they tell me no prenant mage can 	work her
tricks while so burdened."               Kaven raised a sardonic
	eyebrow, but made no further comment except to say, "I wouldn't
believe 	that particular peasants' tale if I were you--I've had
friends thought the same 	and didn't live to admit they were
wrong......"

>From that Kavin's response to Wethes, I would assume that pregnancy has
no bearing on a mage being able to work her magic. Of course, with
prudence, a mage will not work any of the greater magics (Gates and the
like) because of all of the power involved. But I'm sure that if it came
right down to it, a pregnant mage would do whatever she had to do in
order to preserve her hide. It's a matter of just weighing one evil
against another at that point. Either use the magic, possibly killing
the baby, or don't use magic and stay to be killed herself.

Wind to thy wings, 
smch-+AT+-juno.com

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:31:02 +0000
From: "Vrondi" <vrondi-+AT+-mail.org>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Stuffages
Message-ID: <199704091530.LAA01755-+AT+-edweb.concord.wvnet.edu>

> From:          FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com
> I'm sorry to say that _Storm Breaking_ is not out yet.

Storm Breaking is out in hardback. I dunno about paperback though.
Silver Gryphon and Sword of Ice are both Paperback available right 
now, as is "The Free Bards." which is a combination volume of three 
books.
________________________________________________________
Bard of Amber and Marigold. 
Mistress of the Air, One with the Trees

"If the roses should blush, how would you find it out?"
-Mrs. Selwyn in "Evelina" by Burney

http://edweb.concord.wvnet.edu/~deanca/book

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:59:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: (Fwd) Special Event Chat - The Last Herald Mage trilogy
Message-ID: <199704091659.RAA07299-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

This forwarded from one of our listmembers; it sounds like it might be
pretty interesting... (albeit on MSN, which I have little knowledge of)

Mel


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Date:          Tue, 8 Apr 97 00:45:22 UT
From:          "Tylendel " <TYLENDEL01-+AT+-msn.com>
Subject:       Special Event Chat - The Last Herald Mage trilogy


Please allow me to introduce myself, I am Jim Bodiam, General Events Area 
Coordinator, and Topic Chat Coordinator for PlanetOut on msn.  As part of my 
duties as a member of the worldwide volunteer satellite crew for PlanetOut, I 
develop and promote special events and topic chats on our site, now known as 
the Lesbian and Gay Forum produced by PlanetOut on msn2.  We are beginning a 
series of topic chats on The Herald Mage series, beginning with Magic's Pawn.  
As well, our entertainment coordinators have been working to get in touch with 
Ms. Lackey for the possibilities of meeting with her fans on a special event 
chat to be held in the coming months.  I was wondering if you would be 
interested in attending any of these chats, or would like more information to 
promote it on any of the sites in the Heraldic Circle (which I finally 
found!).  I am currently visiting overseas (and writing this believe it or 
note from a Windows CE palmtop... ain't technology grand? :)), but will be 
back in Toronto on the 20th of April.  (I'm actually about to launch myself on 
a horseback trip through the southern country area of France, and I'll bet you 
can tell what the horse looks like :)).  We have a large contingent of fans of 
Ms. Lackey's works and are expecting a large turnout for the first in a series 
of topic chats hosted by our Religion and Spirituality Area Coordinator 
(RevThunder-+AT+-msn.com).  Please feel free to drop by and pay us a visit, 
Microsoft Chat is the preferred chat client on msn2 (what else?), and we would 
gladly welcome with open arms any and all who would like to drop in to pay us 
a visit.  While it is called the LGF forum, it is a site for ALL people, and 
especially Valdemar followers :).

Please feel free to e-mail me at Tylendel01-+AT+-msn.com should you require any 
information or have any comments.

Thanks again for providing the place to find the information we want !

JimB.
Tylendel01-+AT+-msn.com
General Events Area Coordinator
Topic Chat Coordinator
Lesbian and Gay Forum presented by PlanetOut

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaguar <rholsen-+AT+-sidwell.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Sun and Shadow
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970409130822.7567A-100000-+AT+-mail.net.sidwell.edu>

On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Kestrel wrote:

> Yep, seen the movie three times. A good movie that one. But what makes Sun 
> and Shadow special is that Misty hinted in her books that  they weren't 
> human but spirits (does anyone know whether this is true) but they helped to 
> safe a king and became Heralds. I really would like to read their story if 
> Misty ever come about to write about them.
> *********************************

	I refer again to the infamous Orientation Class Scene in AotQ.
<gryn> At least I think it was that scene.. me-+AT+-school, etc. At some point
therein, anyway, there was a mention of two Heralds.. Rothas Sunsinger and
Lythe (?) Shadowdancer... as far as I can remember, they were two ordinary
Heralds, as ordinary as Heralds get, with the typical day-night curse. I
do know that they weren't spirits.. and someone way back when said that
Misty had said she *wasn't* going to write about them, or about
Windrider... sorry.

		 	   Love,
			    Jaguar

	An Irishman is not drunk so long as he can hold on to 
	one blade of grass and not fall off the earth.


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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:16:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: MELVIN NEVERGOLD <web5791-+AT+-charweb.org>
To: misty group <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970409131601.11368B-100000-+AT+-wilbur>

I'm unsubscribe due to relocation will be back later..

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*	Melvin Nevergold		       *
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* http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/1056/index.html *
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:19:28 -0700
From: Le Morgan <tzarius-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: return.....
Message-ID: <334BEBC0.5488-+AT+-geocities.com>

FIREHEART IS BACK AGAIN!!!! 

Fireheart
God of New Homes, 
Owner of the Eternal Contact Paper,
Giver of the Perpetual Housewarming basket

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:48:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rogue Phoenix and Jasmi <welty-+AT+-TCNJ.EDU>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: return.....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970409134828.15273A-100000-+AT+-beast>



On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Le Morgan wrote:

> FIREHEART IS BACK AGAIN!!!! 

****TACKLEHUG*****  Welcome back!!!!!!!!!!!



> 
> Fireheart
> God of New Homes, 
> Owner of the Eternal Contact Paper,
> Giver of the Perpetual Housewarming basket
> 

                  "Zhai'helleva ashke' tal'sedr'in"
				-Old Valdemaran Proverb.




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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "McCaffrey's White Dragon" <jgipple-+AT+-clark.edu>
To: Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Mage Wars
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970409104659.25008A-100000-+AT+-clark.edu>

Just a quick question, are there any mage wars going on anywhere? Please 
respond with 'private' e-mail so as not to clog the list with multiple 
responses. Thanx.

What companion? You've got a white coconut!
So? 
Well, where'd you get it?
Ask Gyr's Men In White!

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:57:02 -0600
From: MorningStar <morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: AOL users/inhereted magegift
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970409115702.006a6e5c-+AT+-mail.geocities.com>

Hey, all you AOL users, please e-mail me privately at my AOL account.  My
screen name is dawnrain00 (that's two zeroes, not o's.)  I'll give you what
advice I can...  and tell you what I'm doing to avoid that particular problem.
(with apologies for the fluff)

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The Mage Gift seems to be something that can be inherited like anything
else, hair color, eye color, height, etc.  I don't have any realy textevd
at the moment, it's just an impression I've gotten through all the books as
a whole.
Ok, well, I just read Siobhan's much more comprehensive version of what I
just said...<grin>  so...
I do seem to remember that when Shavri and Randi asked Van to check Jisa's
abilities, he mentioned something about what of his abilities she
inherited.  I could be completely off the mark, but I think something's there.
Also, when Firesong confessed to Elspeth that it was Darkwind's hair he'd
rather braid feathers into, I think he said that he'd inherited something
more from Vanyel besides mage-gift.  Anyone with the books?

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Ok, that's about all I have to say for the moment...<grin>
Sheeps to all for the shortish braidish postish thing!
Laters,
MorningStar
MorningStar, AKA DawnRain, NightFire, and many others.
E-mail:  MorningStar-+AT+-poetic.com, dawnrain00-+AT+-aol.com,
bv165-+AT+-freenet.uchsc.edu, and others.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9763

Mail checked...sometimes!

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:23:51 -0600
From: koren-+AT+-wic.net (Larry Whiteman)
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Unsubcribe
Message-ID: <01BC44E1.029CEBA0-+AT+-term_26.wic.net>


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	How do I un-subscribe from this forum?

If you could let me know.  I deleted the messege with that in it.

Korenci

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: StarDust21-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Mage Gift and pregnancy/Van's age/An'desha/Velgarth/Bardic Gift/Grove Born
Message-ID: <970409145201_417731706-+AT+-emout07.mail.aol.com>

BIG braid :) 
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jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu (JAIME HATHAWAY) writes:
<< Have 
 any of the Herald Mages/regular Mages ever gotten pregnant? >>

Well, Kethry had to have gotten pregnant in order to have repopulated Tarma's
clan, and nothing is mentioned about her having problems... Also that quote a
little back about the pesant's tale says it too. (or at least implies it) 
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GOLDC970-+AT+-cottey.edu (CHRISTY GOLDBACH) writes:
<<But here is the problem, at least 
for me, MPrice.  On the cover he looks like he did on MPawn.  He 
looks younger less of the confident and strong Van that is on the 
cover of MPromise.  He doesn't look as lost and fragile on MPrice as 
he did on MPawn but there is just not the same as MPromise.>>

Well, I think that the reason that Van looks so awful on the cover of MPrice
is that the book is about his death and his struggles with being powerful and
alone. He dies alone. He's lead a hard and tiring life. He has a right to
look haggard and forlorn. I do agree that it's dissapointing that he doesn't
get silver hair, but hey, one can't have everything. :) If you look at most
of the trilogies, there is a definite pattern of the start of something, the
mostexcitingandhighpoint of something, and the decline of something. (ex.
Magic's *Pawn*, Magic's *Promise*, Magic's *Price*) I think that the covers
just sota show that. (My 2 cents) :) 
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texs72-+AT+-webtv.net (Texie) writes:
<<SWarning, on pg 29 , An'desha is thinking to himself and it says "There
were only two things they could not give him again; the original colors
of his hair and eyes. His hair was a pure, snowy white now, and his eyes
a pale silver." >>

Wasn't he left with white hair and cat's eyes??????? Nonononononono....Here's
what it says in _Winds of Fury_ (pb, pg. 421) when An'desha and Nyara get
transformed:
  "Then his beak gaped even further as he looked down at what had been
An'desha/Mornlithe.
   A young, bewildered and clearly human man sat there now; as he looked up
in shock and wonder at Treyvan, his golden skinbetrayed his Shin'a'in blood,
although his golden-brown hair spoke of an outClan parentsomewhere. His eyes
were still green-gold and slitted like a cat's, and there was still a feline
cast to his features; his build was still powerful and his fingernails still
talon-like---but no one would ever look askance at him in a crowd now."
Well, seeing as this is the earliest description of him, I would think that's
how he's *supposed* to be. MHO. 
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rinparra-+AT+-sol.racsa.co.cr (Shaina)writes:
<<What is Velgarth? Out of context i get it is Heaven, or as Dante would put
it, Limbo, but where did you get that word from?>>

Velgarth is the world that Valdemar and Karse etc. are on. Like Earth is the
world that the U.S. and U.K. are on.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(I'm sorry! I
don't know who wrote this!)
<<Magic's Promise, Vanyel telling Medren that he (Medren) has the Bardic 
Gift: "You are better than I was, even at fifteen. If a few years you 
are going to be better than I could ever hope to be if I practiced 
every hour of my life. You have the Bardic-Gift, lad, and thatıs 
something no amount of training will give.">>

I think that Van's saying that Medren will be able to get into Bardic at 15,
where as Van could not. Besides, isn't it said elsewhere that Mendren has an
unusually strong Bardic Gift? Even though Van's channels were blasted, he may
have only had a small Bardic Gift potential, and therefore could have hoped
to be as good as someone with a huge Gift.
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BEMSA-+AT+-ABEM1.NUSSTF.nus.sg (Shidrati Binte Ali BEMSA) writes:
<<But what about the Companions "born" of the Grove? These are Companions
that 
come for special purposes. So where do they come from?>>

They come from the gods, I always thought. I maen Baron Valdemar prays for
something and the companions come as an anwser...
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Well, there is a nice braid for you. :) I'm a good newbie, yes I am!

Wind to thy wings,
*StarSong

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:56:36 -0400
From: kholder-+AT+-dutch.worc-acad.pvt.k12.ma.us (kali holder)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: lotsa stuff
Message-ID: <v01530500af728b6c01f4-+AT+-[146.115.204.56]>

Lifebonds:On page 352, WoFury Firesong is chaste and hating it on the trip
into Hardorn.  He's thinking about Skif and Darkwind... the book states
:the bondsbetween Skif and Nyara, as those between Darkwind and Elspeth,
were simply too new and too fragile to disturb.  Those LOVE-BONDS were like
blood feathers; if he touched them, they might break, .....<snip>" Emphasis
is mine. And on pge 123 Stefen is telling Skif and Nyara that "just" being
in love is O.K. Skif says: "To think I've envied Talia and Dirk all this
time-".....and then later Stefen says, "...Love now-a good, solid love is
something infinately rarer and more difficult to maintain, because you
DON'T know everything your partner is feeling....." He goes on and on
listing the wonderful qualities of love.  This would be rather pointless if
Skif and Nyara were lifebonded, and since their relationship is equated to
Elspeth and Darkwind's relationship this proves that neither of them are
lifebonded.

As for the Great Pregnant Mage Debate:
On page 268 WoFury (I'm going to paraphrase a bit here) it says that the
room that the heartstone is in is heavily shielded as it must be to be in
the center of a populated area and that even Firesong doesn't know what the
energies of a hearstone would do to someone that wasn't Tayledras (remember
heartstones are a purely Tayledras thing except the one in Lineas) Elspeth
had Vanyel's word that she would come to no harm from the heartstone's
energy and that "These energies might not harm, say, a woman with child-but
what if that woman were not a mage?"  this is the important part "MAGES
AUTOMATICALLY TOOK IN ENERGY AND INCORPORATED IT INTO THEMSELVES." (empasis
is mine) I'm pretty sure that this means that mages with child will not be
harmed because they incorporate it into themselves, so it doesn't get to
the baby.

 Also (and this is purely MHO) I don't think that you can tell whether or
not a child is going to have the Mage-Gift or any other Gift before it is
born because Elspeth says when she checks the other heralds for the Gift
that they don't have it unless its latent, if she can't tell on adults and
she's an Adept I highly doubt anyone could tell befor the baby was born,
although they might be able to tell if it has Mage-Potential, I'm not sure.

Boy this was a whopper of a letter for me.


Shadowsong



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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:32:23 -0500
From: "Emily L Cartier" <ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: spoilers (an explanation)/mage's pregnancies
Message-ID: <9704092032.AA01501-+AT+-udecc.engr.udayton.edu>

Tracy said:
>After SRising is SBreaking, which is still in HB in stores and
>'Spoilers' on the list (is there a connection?). SoIce is a collection
>of short stories placed in Velgarth, the world that Valdemar & others
>are on. Firebird is a Russian folk tale, also only HB and 
'Spoilers'. 

Spoilers are a convention that is *widely* used all over the Internet 
where not everyone can get their hands on the latest book or see the 
latest show, so that those who don't want to know about plot twists 
are protected from them. Here, books generally stay in spoilers until 
they come out in paperback, or for 6 months. Right now, Sword of Ice, 
Firebird, and Storm Breaking are all in spoilers. Petitions have been 
placed for SBreaking to come out of spoilers early, but so far, no 
dice. If you want to discuss something that is currently spoiler 
protected, put the word SPOILER in the topic. If you are braiding, 
put the spoiler AT THE END OF YOUR POST! Before you begin to discuss 
the spoiler, include about 20 blank lines (or just put the letters 
for spoiler space on each line), and then begin the spoiler. You can 
also include "digest space" at the end of the message, for those of 
us who are stuck on digest and can't skip the spoiler messages (it 
gives us a hint for where to stop scrolling <g>).

Jaquelle asked:
>I don't think Misty ever touched on this subject, but what would
>happen to a female Herald with the Mage Gift if she became pregnant?  
>Have any of the Herald Mages/regular Mages ever gotten pregnant?

As many people have already said, lots and lots of female mages 
*must* have gotten pregnant. I seem to recall that there is a 
superstition on Velgarth that getting a mage pregnant makes her lose 
her magic, which implies that some of them cut down on their magical 
activities *drastically* while pregnant (I'm guessing that evidence 
for this superstition would be in Obound or some of Need's memories). 
I doubt that pregnant mages find themselves unable to do magic, but 
til we actually get a look at life from the point of view of a 
pregnant mage, anything's possible. It may be that some mages have 
different side effects from pregnancy, just like some women get 
horrible morning sickness, and others have no problems at all.

Emily the invisible
Priestess of Procrastination, Computers and Programming
Dame of the OAM
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/7726/
ecartier-+AT+-engr.udayton.edu

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:40:13 -0400
From: "Crystal E. Hewitt" <MystTree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
Message-ID: <199704092047.QAA15319-+AT+-ns.ilan.net>

ME Too me too- Mysttree-+AT+-Phantomreality.com Tia
Mysttree

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> From: LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com
> To: mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com
> Subject: Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
> Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 11:14 AM
> 
> In a message dated 97-04-05 13:16:47 EST, you write:
> 
> << Yes, kestra'chern do exist, in the books and in real life. Silverfox 
>  in the 
>  > books, and I am an apprentice in real life. Since I am underage, I do
not
> do 
>  > everything yet, but I am to inherit the position from my master.
>  > 
>  > Nightdancer
>  
>  Nightdancer, I would also be interested to hear about your being 
>  kestra'chern....  I didn't know it existed in real life with 
>  masters and apprentices....you can email me privately.... 
>  jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu
>  
>    >>
> Email me too! LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Auvergnes-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Gifts/bondbirds/lifebonds
Message-ID: <970409171642_-2037775570-+AT+-emout11.mail.aol.com>


In a message dated 4/9/97 13:15:58, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-04-05 13:16:47 EST, you write:
>
><< Yes, kestra'chern do exist, in the books and in real life. Silverfox 
> in the 
> > books, and I am an apprentice in real life. Since I am underage, I do not
>do 
> > everything yet, but I am to inherit the position from my master.
> > 
> > Nightdancer
> 
> Nightdancer, I would also be interested to hear about your being 
> kestra'chern....  I didn't know it existed in real life with 
> masters and apprentices....you can email me privately.... 
> jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu
> 
>   >>
>Email me too! LrdTrebor-+AT+-aol.com


that goes thirdly for me! If you will :) Auvergnes-+AT+-aol.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:23:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Kestracherns
Message-ID: <970410071847_1985252207-+AT+-emout12.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-04-09 23:52:47 EDT, you write:

<< >
 ><< Yes, kestra'chern do exist, in the books and in real life. Silverfox 
 > in the 
 > > books, and I am an apprentice in real life. Since I am underage, I do
not
 >do 
 > > everything yet, but I am to inherit the position from my master.
 > > 
 > > Nightdancer
 > 
 > Nightdancer, I would also be interested to hear about your being 
 > kestra'chern....  I didn't know it existed in real life with 
 > masters and apprentices....you can email me privately.... 
 > jsjahath-+AT+-future.judson.edu
 >  >>
Same Here....I am interested to know about this too.....
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Mages and Pregnancy...

\i seem to recal (don't know which one..don't have em here)...but Savil(i
htinks) asks for the where abouts of a certain mage of the Tayledras and they
responded that she's with child...and Savil exclaiming to  *Lock her up!*...I
believe that the use of Magic would not affect the child...What may happen is
the mage could (and will) become more emotional....(just like in real
life)...well that's MHO

Narilka1-+AT+-aol.com


GB...Artisian in training




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