MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1185 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Take Care Nightdancer by Mark Severson 2) Re: Books/info/birds by RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Books/info/birds by Jennifer Wrenn 4) When is a list not a list? by "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" 5) Re: Books/info/birds by "ANDREA HUNTER" 6) Re: Books/info/birds by Warhammer 7) Re: When is a list not a list? by cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net 8) Re: When is a list not a list? by TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com 9) RE: Books/info/birds by Crystal Hewitt 10) RE: Books/info/birds by Shidrati Binte Ali BEMSA 11) Singaporean/abrev.list/Storm Breaking by chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg 12) wishful thinking by Ailsa Reid 13) Re: When is a list not a list? by FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Books/info/birds by "Pamela Lunsford" 15) RE: Singaporean/abrev.list/Storm Breaking by Crystal Hewitt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:27:41 -0700 From: Mark Severson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Take Care Nightdancer Message-ID: <33638C8D.347D-+AT+-eonet.com> Hello Nightdancer, I am extremely sorry to hear of your accident. Take care of yourself and do not give up hope. Prove the doctors wrong by walking again. Just think how much fun it will be to walk up to the doc to told you that and giving them a good ol rasberry! I'll be pulling for you and praying for you too. Take care and God Bless. Mark The Tax Zombie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:12:00 -0400 (EDT) From: RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Books/info/birds Message-ID: <970427191159_-1835842193-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-27 11:38:59 EDT, you write: << Nightdancer said "ey everyone. Just in case anyone out there is wondering what is happing, I just got told to day I may never walk again. Bummer huh. Right now I just dint care. paindillers are dulling everythiing anyway." >> Hey they only said may not never so don't give up just keep trying. Never really been in that situation, or mabye I just didnt hear them say any thing besides no permenant damege was done (chlorine gas exposure at summer camp not fun but I didnt even have to stay overnight) But I do have a learning disability so I know how it can be when everyone around you is doing something you cant, But If you keep trying you can do it. Just takes time and hard work. Don't give up, Keep fighting I know you can do it! Best wishes -RT List Newbie Oponent of a Writing Disability Closet amature Philologist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:31:20 -0400 From: Jennifer Wrenn To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Books/info/birds Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970427233120.006635b4-+AT+-atlonline.com> Look folks, I'm really sorry, but since no one else is saying this, I'm going to: All these posts to NightDancer are WAY off-topic (no offense to Nightdancer). If you have well-wishes or whatever, either send them via private email or in the middle of a post that has SOME sort of real Misty stuff, okay? The list has already been really slow of late, whether due to lack of posting or email-prob, I don't know, but this kind of off-the-subject posting just makes it worse. <> Okay, an ObMisty to maybe get the messages going again, nyet? First of all, I got very few responses to my last few questions, so if you happen to still have that post and have any thoughts, let us know! Secondly, would anyone else like to hear more about the SkyBolts and Kero and Selenay? Maybe this is a silly question, I don't know. It's like that whole generation's just been relegated a spot in the shadows. I understand that they had their time -- at least, Kero and the 'Bolts did -- but why can't we learn more? Okay, I know, Misty's got other ideas and is forging ahead in this history of Velgarth thing, but what about our people? Misty is the only author I've ever read who does that. It makes me wish *I* could write their stories, because they just _beg_ to be told. It's like she has so many perfect weavings begun, but as she thinks of new ideas, new patterns, the old just get kinda imperfectly sown together and left. Not that I mean to criticise, because I don't think I could do any better, but I almost wish she hadn't done quite as good a job in characterization for the characters who aren't the main ones. Any thoughts? Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't like what's she's done; I just like it so much that I want more. Anyways, wish I could think of more to say, but I think I'd best be off the 'puter before this icky storm gets me. Stars light thy paths, listsibs. NightSong jwrenn-+AT+-atlonline.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:05:42 From: "Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: When is a list not a list? Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970428100542.2e9fda30-+AT+-bilbo.cc.flinders.edu.au> Dear listsibs, Jennifer Wrenn - Nightsong wrote: >Look folks, I'm really sorry, but since no one else is saying this, I'm going to: All these posts to NightDancer are WAY off-topic. No, in my opinion, they are NOT. This is more than a list to discuss ML's work, IMO it is a group generally of LIST SIBLINGS. I read ML because her work resonates with me at a deep level. I have found generally that members of this list feel the same way. Yes, at times we fight but what siblings do not? But we also support each other in a very real albeit virtual way. Nightdance, Goddess bless his cotton sox, brought a new element of virtual bondbirds & I thank him for bringing that extra element to this group. He is using this group to stay centred and I figure we should help him all the way. For a family to stay together we need to put down our feelings in front of each other. Now I may be feeling a trifle introspective because today is the first year's anniversary of a time when a man called Bryant killed 35 people and injured 17 more at a place called Port Arthur in Tasmania - and that event has reverberated throughout Australia. And we have had to be open to get through this. It touched me peripherally but it caused enormous personal & emotional hardship in Tasmania. Maybe I'm projecting, but it seems to me that the incalculable hardship that Ancar visited on his people echoes this situation and more. So let us be open in our support of each other, just as we are open in our disagreement. There are not many Aussies on this list, and although I rue that, I have loved noticing how ML's work transcends cultural boundaries to some extent. Another person who has helped do this has been Anne McCaffery whose Catteni novels fascinate me in their search for multi-culturism. Meanwhile in Australia we have a politician called Pauline Hanson whose new political party is built on racism, anti-multiculturism and anti-indigenous people IMO. We need to stand up and be counted in being supportive. That's it, list sibs, be strong, be true & be honest ... we have got to build a better world. Warm regards, Aili Herald healer, dragon friend and Renunciate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:46:53 CST From: "ANDREA HUNTER" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Books/info/birds Message-ID: <5C24FB255D7-+AT+-cottey.edu> I agree with Nightsong about the fact that I wanted to know more about Kero and Selany and as a matter of fact more about Tarma and Kethry. I loved all of these characters. And I wish Misty would have maybe gone into more detail about Kero's life between the time she left Tarma and Kethry and the time she was a 'bolt as a scout leader this is just IMNHO Wind to thy Wings Storm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:12:22 -0400 From: Warhammer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Books/info/birds Message-ID: <3363F976.57A5-+AT+-interpow.net> Jennifer Wrenn wrote: > > Okay, an ObMisty to maybe get the messages going again, nyet? First of all, > I got very few responses to my last few questions, so if you happen to still > have that post and have any thoughts, let us know! Secondly, would anyone > else like to hear more about the SkyBolts and Kero and Selenay? Maybe this > is a silly question, I don't know. It's like that whole generation's just > been relegated a spot in the shadows. I understand that they had their time > -- at least, Kero and the 'Bolts did -- but why can't we learn more? Okay, > I know, Misty's got other ideas and is forging ahead in this history of > Velgarth thing, but what about our people? Misty is the only author I've > ever read who does that. It makes me wish *I* could write their stories, > because they just _beg_ to be told. It's like she has so many perfect > weavings begun, but as she thinks of new ideas, new patterns, the old just > get kinda imperfectly sown together and left. Not that I mean to criticise, > because I don't think I could do any better, but I almost wish she hadn't > done quite as good a job in characterization for the characters who aren't > the main ones. Any thoughts? Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying > that I don't like what's she's done; I just like it so much that I want more. > > Anyways, wish I could think of more to say, but I think I'd best be off the > 'puter before this icky storm gets me. Stars light thy paths, listsibs. > > NightSong > jwrenn-+AT+-atlonline.com Heyla all! Sorry about the big quote, but wanted to also say something about it. Personally, I like the series that have been written so far. We find out about Vanyel's time, the reign of Selenay, Tarma & Kethry, the era of the Mage Wars, and even the land where Baron Valdemar came from. I also like the Griffon and Mage Storms trilogy. What I would like to see is a story telling about the founding of Valdemar, the arrival of the Companions, etc. Plus, there are two other time periods which could be written about. The reigns of Roald and Sendar (Selenay's father, I think). And personally, I hope that the next Diana Tregarde book IS released. If anyone ever finds out anything about it, please let me know. Well, that's all for my first post. Wind to thy wings, wingsibs! Delmar and Keevan (my Companion) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:28:26 -0500 From: cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: When is a list not a list? Message-ID: <33640B4A.51E2-+AT+-spectra.net> Greetings listsibs... Just a short post to say goodbye ... I've enjoyed my time here most of the time, but lately there just isn't much Misty-content, and far too little discussion .. this in and of itself wouldn't be so bad except that my mailbox is still filled with fluffy messages and those I don't like. Take care all ... wind to thy wings. Crystal -- ---------Christopher J. Kocher-------Crystal D. Sarakas-------- ----------------------cjkocher-+AT+-spectra.net--------------------- "Would anybody like to write a song with me now? A line at a time?" - Ray Davies, during a CompuServe chat "It is appallingly clear that our technology has surpassed our humanity." - Albert Einstein ------Ask about ordering Doctor Who 'zine "Ninth Aspect"------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:53:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: When is a list not a list? Message-ID: <970427225327_1154945788-+AT+-emout14.mail.aol.com> wrote Aili You're right. I think the reason most of us read Misty's books is because they are different from the mainstream "manly-men in taverns drinking ale and discussing the slaughtering of dragons". They're about people, and sometimes people are more important than even the best of books. Best of luck, Nightdancer. TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:03:46 -0400 From: Crystal Hewitt To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Books/info/birds Message-ID: <01BC5367.ABD60C80-+AT+-TPhantom02> Heyla Listsibs, I hate to repeat myself, but please if anyone has questions or even letters for Nightdancer, she requested that you mail them to Mysttree-+AT+-Phantomreality.com She did this to avoid these types of comments. Yes- she needs or love, support, and friendship, but it is also pretty obvious that this list means a lot to her and in keeping with the spirit of this list please listen and support her requests. Look folks, I'm really sorry, but since no one else is saying this, I'm going to: All these posts to NightDancer are WAY off-topic (no offense to Nightdancer). If you have well-wishes or whatever, either send them via private email or in the middle of a post that has SOME sort of real Misty stuff, okay? ObMisty, I would also like to find out what ultimately happens to Keth & Tarma. Tarma shows up as a veiled one in the Winds, so what happened with Warl & Keth? Okay, an ObMisty to maybe get the messages going again, nyet? First of all, I got very few responses to my last few questions, so if you happen to still have that post and have any thoughts, let us know! 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Just in case anyone out there is wondering what is happing, I just got told to day I may never walk again. Bummer huh. Right now I just dint care. paindillers are dulling everythiing anyway. OK. Down to butsniess. If anyone asked me about a bondbird, please wite me again. Apprentices, contact me, I think I can start teaching again. And whatj is this I hear about two niw Misty bookss. What are they, and what are they about. Andy how do you guys get your info about books. Please respond. I looked on the list to day, and olmost no one is on. I don't now what I wrote the last copele of days if j wrote, so pleasse be pationt. I know beople now about the accident, cuse I ame ggetting get wells,a nd sheep. Just thought I wirtwe and find out waht was gooing on. Nightdancer Mindmate to Sulena Breeder of Bondbirds --------------------------------------------------------- Heyla Nightdancer, Just to say, hang in there. Where there is life, there is hope. Someone said that to me once. Be strong just like the heralds especially Talia, ok. Hope you'll be better soon. I haven't really heard anything about Misty's books here in Singapore. **************************************************************************** ******* Staci wrote : After all, _Rolan_ wasn't the one being held in the cell. If all Grove Born Companions had this huge range of MindSpeech, then why did he have to run for the border instead of simply bespeaking one of the Heralds or Companions? >> Well if you read Arrow's fall, you'll find that Ancar and his mages blocked all mind communications in Hardone because he feared what he did to his father would leak out before he was ready to let them know. Given Hulda's knowledge of Valdermar and also that it seemed that Valdermar and Hardorne seem to be friendly states, Ancar probably knew something about the Gifts. He probably assumed that there could be other spies from Valdermar ( technically Rolan could be considered a spy). I'm not saying that Rolan do have a huge range of Mindspeech. One thing is that Misty never really make clear what exactly is Rolan's Gifts. ***************************************************************************** I can answer that. Mind speech can be blocked as was stated. Plus Rolan did have the range because him a Gwena could reach that far and farther. They needed more info and with Rolan back he had a chance to be useful since he was the companion with the most chance of helping to save Talia. Plus he may have known what she was planning and knew Dirk would try and help with his fetching. We don't know if he has any kind of Presight but he may. There is another explanation it may have been that Misty just wanted to let us know that Companions couldn't do everything. Until the later books you didn't learn about the extent of there powers. Chris & Sean Talbot There WERE a lot of "secrets" that the companions kept from their Heralds. ---------------Crystal ------------------- Mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com >> Yep, there are. I still think that we haven't seen the last of the secrets yet. ***************************************************************************** Shidrati, I think you got everything right, except about the memories. In the Storms books, Andesha had to go into a very deep trance to access all those memories. I think that the memories did not get eroded as much as overlaid in layer upon layer like a very thick cake with lots and lots of layers. Sara, LIG & Dryad Extraordinaire Hopeful Diety of all Marsupials, Past, Present & Future Avatar of the Great Wombat >> I think I remember the part you mentioned. Interesting theory. Do you think that it is because of those overlaid memories that he became mad. How many sets of memory can someone takes? Anybody who believe in reincarnation and remembering all their reincarnations out there? Maybe these people can answer this. **************************************************************************** **** Umm...an ObMisty. I know we had the weaponsmaster giving training in Valdemar but is there a collegium of Warfare? Or is it that everyone is trained in how to handle a weapon of some kind? ShadowWolf, God of Stupid Chess Moves Founder of Order of Putzer Servants (OOPS) "Checkmate" -Garry Kasparov- >> Nope, no Warfare collegium. But not everyone is trained to handle a weapon of some kind. Those who need them like the heralds and some blues and some bards. Even then, the weapons training is tailored to suit the individual. Remember Vanyel and Jervis. How he was beaten by Jervis when he was young and broke his wrists and when he went to the collegium, he expected the training to be just the same as Jervis but instead found the insturctor teaching a style more suitable to him. Same thing as Talia. She wasn't taught warcraft weapons but instead Alberich taught her how to handle those who might want to sneak up behind her. Then in Storm Saga, Karal have the privilege of training under Kero. **************************************************************************** ** No, in my opinion, they are NOT. This is more than a list to discuss ML's work, IMO it is a group generally of LIST SIBLINGS. I read ML because her work resonates with me at a deep level. I have found generally that members of this list feel the same way. Yes, at times we fight but what siblings do not? But we also support each other in a very real albeit virtual way. Nightdance, Goddess bless his cotton sox, brought a new element of virtual bondbirds & I thank him for bringing that extra element to this group. He is using this group to stay centred and I figure we should help him all the way. For a family to stay together we need to put down our feelings in front of each other. Ailsa n'ha Winifreyda >> I agree with your sentiments and echo your call to help Nightdancer. ************************************************* That's all for today. Wind to thy Wings, list sibs. Kestrel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:46:25 +0800 (SGT) From: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Singaporean/abrev.list/Storm Breaking Message-ID: <199704280846.QAA13822-+AT+-aragorn.sol.com.sg> >I haven't really heard anything about Misty's books here in Singapore. Singapore? Another Singaporean on this list? Yippee, I am not the only one. =============================================== Sorry for the above fluff. Anyway, just to put in a short "advertisement" Anyone who needs the list of abrevs. that we used on this list, please mail me privately at: chenchen-+AT+-rgs.edu.sg Thank you. =============================================== To bring this mail back to topic, here's an ObMisty which is a Storm Breaking spoiler so: Right at the end of Storm Breaking, Firesong lost his beautiful looks, right? My question is, does anyone remember what happened to his bondbird? Was the bondbird totally bleached or... ================================================ Your fellow listsib, Stormwind ACCOMPLISHMENT We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible. - C. Malesherbez DISCIPLINE The secret of discipline is motivation. When a man is sufficiently motivated, discipline will take care of itself. - Sir Alexander Paterson WISDOM Fools look to tomorrow. Wise men use tonight. - Scottish Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:02:07 +0100 (BST) From: Ailsa Reid To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: wishful thinking Message-ID: <199704280902.KAA18260-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk> Sorry if the subject line's a bit unclear, but once I put it in I can't go back and change it. I don't know why other people might be lurking, but I have 2 reasons at the moment. One is my usual one of most of the things that get asked have been answered by the time I log on due to time zones. The other is that this universitys' term started a week ago, so all the students are using the computers, depriving us poor members of staff ;> Plus all these people messes up the server so that messages get "lost" and quite a few of the misty ones have been appearing in a different order to their timestamps. (thats 1 am coming _after_ 2.30 am) ObMisty: Does anyone know if theres going to be another Korendil, Beth, Eric book or if that falls under the same "no more" as the Di Tregarde (which I have never seen in this country)? I would go and re-read TLS to find out, but with everyone back Netscape is running S..L..O..W Thanks :> Ailsa the alien ____________________________________________________________________________ | Ailsa Reid areid-+AT+-brookes.ac.uk | | "What a night though it's one of seven, | | What a night for the dancing dead," | | (_Les Morts Dansent_ by Magnum) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: FireWurm-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: When is a list not a list? Message-ID: <970428064848_1784922590-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> I agree totaly with Aili and i am sorry i have not been wrighting much to the list. . . things have been really insain here and Nightdancer, I am realy sorry to hear of this news and like everone else sais, never give up. I am taking care of a horse right now that doctors said would never run, or abe able to be ridden again. Her owners decided to try and as I am up there constently charged me with taking care of her. She is running now and dancing, she still pretends to work the barrles and to work the cattle. It was a long hard battle with her and it's not over, she is still not up to carrying a rider but i think one day she will. This just goes to show you that if you never give up and you keep trying it will come right in the end. Do your best and Leave the rest twill all come right, some day or nigh. -Black Beauty Stallion, MInd Mate to Saa May the wolves of your desteny be just Blessed Be ::Be OK:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 09:05:45 From: "Pamela Lunsford" To: "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" Subject: Re: Books/info/birds Message-ID: <199704281605.JAA14854-+AT+-nic.greycat.com> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:20:40 +0100 (BST), Warhammer wrote: >> Okay, an ObMisty to maybe get the messages going again, nyet? First of all, >> I got very few responses to my last few questions, so if you happen to still >> have that post and have any thoughts, let us know! Secondly, would anyone >> else like to hear more about the SkyBolts and Kero and Selenay? Maybe this >> is a silly question, I don't know. It's like that whole generation's just >> been relegated a spot in the shadows. I understand that they had their time >> -- at least, Kero and the 'Bolts did -- but why can't we learn more? Okay, Most certainly! The few scenes we had in "By the Sword" showing the Skybolts are amoung my favorites. The recruit and his horse always make me smile. I would like to see more about Kero. I think there is room to tell more about Tarma and Kethry too. But I would be happy to never see another word about our old friends if Misty's heart lead her in another direction. I don't think it's a spolier to say that I enjoyed "Firebird" more than any Misty book in the last couple of years. If she could do more books like that, I don't care who they are about! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone who uses the phase 'As easy as taking candy from a baby' has never tried taking candy from a baby. Pamela -- pam-+AT+-greycat.com http://home.earthlink.net/~rainsong/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:15:58 -0400 From: Crystal Hewitt To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Singaporean/abrev.list/Storm Breaking Message-ID: <01BC53C5.91E1FA60-+AT+-TPhantom02> Heyla, To bring this mail back to topic, here's an ObMisty which is a Storm Breaking spoiler so: [Crystal Hewitt] Right at the end of Storm Breaking, Firesong lost his beautiful looks, right? My question is, does anyone remember what happened to his bondbird? Was the bondbird totally bleached or... [Crystal Hewitt] If I remember correctly, _all_ bondbirds eventually become bleached simply by living in the Vale near a heartstone. Aya, as Firesong's bondbird was bleached, although there was never mentioned life-spans or ages of any of the bondbirds. One has to wonder if that was "improved" when they were being created by the mages. 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