MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1199 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: US/questions-Storm Series/ by Thomas & Kristine Jackson 2) Re: Series? by Leah238-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Series? by RoyalNyte-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Series? by "Angeline Sim" 5) Re: Series? by RoyalNyte-+AT+-aol.com 6) Favorite scenes by "rockaway" 7) by "Joe Lackey" 8) Di Tregarde read-alike -- well, sort of by Melanie Dymond Harper 9) ADMIN: troubleshooting by Melanie Dymond Harper 10) Re: Favorite scenes by "John and Kara Pekar" 11) Introduction by tora-no-yoro-+AT+-juno.com (David c neely) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:22:53 -0700 From: Thomas & Kristine Jackson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: US/questions-Storm Series/ Message-ID: <337638AD.2494-+AT+-pacbell.net> Lydia Hales wrote: > Trmane does appear to be the exception to the rule in the Empire, but he > did order the assisinations of the envoys, so obviously he is not totally > above Empire politics. Another interesting thought; Selenay ordered the > assisnation of Ancar. Is this so different from Tremane ordering the > envoys to be killed? After all, he thought that he was under attack from > Valdemar when the mage storms hit. Of course, a major difference is that > Hardorn and Valdemar were already at war. > Lady Lydia It's hard to use absolute terms like good and evil when talking politics. They work good whan talking about individuals, but when we start talking about nations than the whole arguement falls apart. Selenay thought to advoid a war with Hardon by killing Ancar. She hoped to advoid a major evil with a smaller one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Leah238-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Series? Message-ID: <970511182350_220188512-+AT+-emout16.mail.aol.com> Does anyone think that there will be another few books after the Storm series? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: RoyalNyte-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Series? Message-ID: <970511192808_-1868338670-+AT+-emout20.mail.aol.com> I do....I think Misty will continue to write her whole life. And I believe it would be hard to ignore a wonderful world she's created. Royal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:29:22 +0800 From: "Angeline Sim" To: Subject: Re: Series? Message-ID: <199705120436.MAA19431-+AT+-larkspur.singnet.com.sg> --------- > Does anyone think that there will be another few books after the Storm > series? > > Andrea I think there's gonna be at least one more book out that occurs during the rule of Queen Selenay. "Owlflight", I think the title is. ------------------- Jacquelle said > I'd appreciate any info or answers(is Vanyel sick?)-- Huh? Vanyel sick? What? What? Am I missing something here? And I do think that the emails are getting lesser... but that doesn't mean we don't have topics to yack about! ------------------- Sorry about another change in topic, but has anyone else besides me noticed that the storyline and characters of "Xena:The Warrior Princess" seem remarkably similiar to Tarma's and Kethry's stories (The Oathbound & Oathbreakers...I can't find the ones in S&S...hmmph! A pox on lousy libraries!)? I mean both have two strong willed women, one a dark-haired, blue-eyed warrior, the other is a blond who looks more suited to being a rich Lady than a gallivanting do-gooder, that try to rid the world of evil... Xena cares so much for her horse that she "returned to life" just when the baddie says "Kill her horse". She then goes something like "No one harms my horse". Her horse is well trained and Xena's blond counterpart seems more than a little scared of her at first. Reminds one of Kethry's first reactions to Hellsbane(sp?). And of Tarma loving her little Kessira(Oathbound). Wind to thy Wings Listsibs! TG "Do or do not...There is no try" - Yoda May The Force Be With You ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: RoyalNyte-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Series? Message-ID: <970512005724_574803133-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-05-12 00:48:46 EDT, you write: << Sorry about another change in topic, but has anyone else besides me noticed that the storyline and characters of "Xena:The Warrior Princess" seem remarkably similiar to Tarma's and Kethry's stories (The Oathbound & Oathbreakers...I can't find the ones in S&S...hmmph! A pox on lousy libraries!)? I mean both have two strong willed women, one a dark-haired, blue-eyed warrior, the other is a blond who looks more suited to being a rich Lady than a gallivanting do-gooder, that try to rid the world of evil... Xena cares so much for her horse that she "returned to life" just when the baddie says "Kill her horse". She then goes something like "No one harms my horse". Her horse is well trained and Xena's blond counterpart seems more than a little scared of her at first. Reminds one of Kethry's first reactions to Hellsbane(sp?). And of Tarma loving her little Kessira(Oathbound). Wind to thy Wings Listsibs! TG "Do or do not...There is no try" - Yoda May The Force Be With You >> I agree with you, in fact, I watched my first episode of Xena without sound (don't ask) and I thought for just one second that Misty had done made a movie!! :) Royal, Herald of Valdemar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:38:03 +0000 From: "rockaway" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Favorite scenes Message-ID: <19970512083727.AAA17290-+AT+-trilogy.shaw.wave.ca> Hello everyone! (Sorry if anyone's covered this or something similar, but hey, I'm new and while I'm trying to read old responses, I'm only up to about Sept 94 *smile*) I'm doing a panel to introduce Mercedes Lackey to a bunch of scifi people and I was wondering if anyone had any scene suggestions for a reading. I want to do two or three (it's a two-hour panel). So far I know I want to do the Outcasting ceremony from Oathbreaker, but does anyone else have an idea? Thanx in advance Nightsong ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 05:20:38 PDT From: "Joe Lackey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: <199705121220.FAA12686-+AT+-f4.hotmail.com> Hello again everyone. It's final's week here at my college but I still can talk a little bit. The mountain cat version of kyree are the ratha. The tyrill are like lareger hertasi and there were not many created but they breed with such enthusiasm. According to the timeline the next book will be Owlflight. Suggested readings are any of the stories from Sword of Ice(particuarly those that were written with Misty). See you next time. It is not the end. It is not the begining. It is the end of the begining. -Milinium(sp) Sorowheart k'Marra --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:06:53 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Di Tregarde read-alike -- well, sort of Message-ID: <199705121506.QAA09336-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I picked up a book while shopping on Saturday which looked as though it had the potential to be something of a Di Tregarde read-alike; it was pretty good, and _somewhat_ in the same vein, I suppose. Those of you who are near a book shop may therefore want to have a look for Freda Warrington's _Pagan Moon_, which is a sequel to the same author's _Dark Cathedral_. I didn't find I was missing too much by not having read the first one -- it still made sense. Eirian, the protagonist, does tend to speak out about her beliefs rather more than Di (this is something of an understatement ;)) I don't know whether the book is actually out in the US, since Ms Warrington is a UK-based author, but you can only look. Cheers Mel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:09:34 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: troubleshooting Message-ID: <199705121509.QAA09703-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Looks like it's time to post the troubleshooting guide again. Please read on if you're having problems (with your list subscription; I don't guarantee it'll solve any other sort of problem) Mel 1. Help! I'm trying to subscribe but ... 1a. I get an error message telling me that "No name given to SUBSCRIBE" Listproc takes two arguments when you want to subscribe to a list; the name of the list (in this case, MERCEDES-LACKEY) and your name. The name you give need not be your real name -- there's nothing to stop you using some kind of usename -- though it's sometimes easier for me to fix problems if I have a real name. It's not vital. Fix: give your name, or something like it, when you're subscribing. 1b. Listproc tells me that I am already subscribed, though I'm not getting mail. Did you set your options to POSTPONE at some time in the past? If not, it is possible that your subscription has been set that way due to an excessive number of errors as we try to send mail to you (perhaps your mailbox became full, perhaps you went over your quota, perhaps the machine to which your mail was sent was offline for a while). Fix 1: send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk, leaving the Subject line blank or using "No Subject", and in the message body write set mercedes-lackey mail ack or set mercedes-lackey mail digest depending whether you'd rather receive individual messages or digests. Fix 2: if fix 1 doesn't work, write to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk and give details of the problem. 1c. Listproc tells me that I am already subscribed, and I am getting mail. Then you don't need to resubscribe, do you? :) 1d. Listproc is ignoring me -- I never get a response. Fix 1 -- check your return address. (This applies particularly to people who have typed in their own return address at some point, such as most Netscape users.) Make sure that the address points to you, and that you haven't transposed letters, used commas instead of full stops, etc. etc. Fix 2 -- if you're on AOL, you _must_ put something in your subject line, or you can't send the mail -- don't use "Subscribe", "Unsubscribe", "test" or variations thereon. If "No Subject" seems too boring, use "Chocolate Cake" if you must :) (This may apply to other email packages as well. If it tries to use the first line of your message as a subject line, you should use "No Subject".) 1e. Listproc doesn't seem to understand my mail, and sends back an error message. This is usually caused by mail programs which insist on putting in either some headings showing the sender of the mail, or which encode even plain text as a MIME message. Listproc needs to find its requests in the first line of a message, and will give up if it can't. Fix: turn off the headings or the MIME encoding (speak to your local tech staff if you can't do this). 2. Help! I'm trying to unsubscribe but ... 2a. Listproc tells me that I'm not subscribed, but nothing else. I'm still getting mail. Has your mailing address changed since you subscribed? If it has, and you can still send mail from the old address, try unsubscribing from there, instead. If you can no longer send mail from the old address, send mail to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk saying what the old address was and you will be removed manually. If you don't think your address has changed, send mail to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk to unsubscribe -- the chances are good that something has been changed along the line which is causing your system to show a different address. (This happens more often than you would believe.) 2b. Listproc tells me that I'm not subscribed, but nothing else. I'm not getting mail. Either (a) you already unsubscribed successfully, or (b) you were never on the list in the first place. No action needed. 2c. Listproc tells me that I'm not subscribed, but something that looks like my address is. Your setup has changed, or you're sending from a different machine. If you can send mail from the machine named in the address Listproc sends back, do so; if you can't, or if that doesn't work, send mail to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk to be removed. 2d. Listproc is ignoring me -- I never get a response. See 1d above; same problem. 2e. Listproc doesn't seem to understand my mail, and sends back an error message. See 1e above; same problem. 3. Help! I'm trying to post to the list but ... 3a. Listproc tells me that I'm not subscribed, but nothing else. I don't get mail from the list. You need to be a member of the list to post to the list. Either (a) subscribe to the list, (b) stop trying to post to the list, or (c) (rare cases only) send the article you were trying to post to mel-+AT+-herald.co.uk and have her post it for you. Note that (c) applies only to _very_ Lackey-relevant articles and people who have reasons for not being on the list. 3b. Listproc tells me that I'm not subscribed, but nothing else. I do get mail from the list. Same problem as 2a above. If your mailing address has changed since you subscribed, try sending the article from the old address, if you can. If you can't do that, it is probably worth unsubscribing from the old address, and resubscribing from the new address (this may involve mail to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk as in 2a). Then send your article again. 3c. Listproc tells me that I'm not subscribed, but something which looks like my address is. Same problem, and similar fix, to 2c above. If you're in a place with a lot of different machines and the address from which your mail appears to come reflects this (often the case in universities) it may be worth sending mail to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk to have your various machines added to the 'aliases' list. 3d. Listproc is ignoring me -- I never get a response. See 1d above; same problem. 3e. Listproc returns a message which starts, "We are sorry, but ..." This is usually the case if Listproc spots a word like "test" or "subscribe" in the first couple of lines of your message. (Don't complain about it _too_ loudly; it stops a lot of misplaced requests getting through to the list.) Fix: rewrite your message to move or delete the word concerned. 3f. I get some junk about "unknown mailer" What this actually means is "the machine was too busy to process your mail right now, try later". It's just not an especially friendly way of saying so. Luckily this doesn't happen especially often these days. 3g. Listproc doesn't seem to understand my mail, and sends back an error message. See 1e above; same problem. 4. Help! I hate computers. Why can't this be simple? Computers are very literal-minded creatures, and as such they can only do what they're told. This means, for example, that if you're told to write subscribe mercedes-lackey Jane Smith in the body of a mail message, the following things will not work; a) writing "subscribe mercedes-lackey Jane Smith" in the subject line of your mail message; (wrong place) b) writing "Please subscribe me to the Mercedes Lackey mailing list. Thanks, Jane Smith" in the body of your mail message (wrong format) c) writing "suscribe mercedes-lackey Jane Smith" in the body of your mail message (wrong spelling; if you can't spell 'subscribe', it may be abbreviated to 'sub') d) writing "subscribe mercedes_lackey Jane Smith" in the body of your mail message (wrong spelling, again; it's a hyphen, not an underscore) Computers are not people. Computers will not (necessarily) recognise what you meant if it's "close enough". Your faithful listmistress does not read through every piece of mail sent to Listproc to see if people have been making errors (life is too short). All you really need to do is _follow the instructions_ -- and if you don't understand them, you may ask for help after reading through the list above and seeing whether any of it applies to you. Any additional questions for the list should be sent to Mel at mel-+AT+-herald.co.uk or lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:38:52 -0400 From: "John and Kara Pekar" To: Subject: Re: Favorite scenes Message-ID: <199705121856.OAA20329-+AT+-sasquatch.crosslink.net> NIghtsong wrote: > I'm doing a panel to introduce Mercedes Lackey to a bunch of scifi > people and I was wondering if anyone had any scene suggestions for a > reading. I want to do two or three (it's a two-hour panel). So far I > know I want to do the Outcasting ceremony from Oathbreaker, but does > anyone else have an idea? Nightsong, How about the scene in AFlight in which Talia uncovers and sentences the murderer/rapist (it's towards the back of the book). Begin with her awareness that there is danger, and end after she accepts the responsibility for her actions and Kris acknowledges that *now* she is really a Herald. For a leavening of humor, perhaps Darkwind's reminiscences about his first meeting with the gryphons, unless you can find a better "amusing" tale. (You probably can; I'm not thinking too clearly right now.) I think the Darkwind one is in the first or second Winds book. (Sorry folks, no textevd at the moment. I'm down with back trouble and I can't reach the blasted books off the top shelf...) I'd suggest that you aim for two powerful and one humorous scene, in whatever order seems best to you, and that if possible, you pull each scene from a different series. It might be well to pull one scene from a non-Velgarth book, if you can -- my recommendation would be one of the Bardic Voices books, second choice FireRose, third choice one of the Bedlam's Bard books. If your goal is to introduce people to Misty's writing and get them excited about reading her books, you are most likely to succeed by presenting a representative cross section of Misty's best and most varied writing. Incidentally, that's one reason I *don't* recommend any of the stories from SOI; they're not "pure" Misty, and while some were good, they aren't really representative of Misty at her personal best. Good luck! Kara "So many books, so little time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:26:48 EDT From: tora-no-yoro-+AT+-juno.com (David c neely) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <19970512.152409.4991.1.tora-no-yoro-+AT+-juno.com> Greetings and Felicitation, My name is David and I'm new to this list. I found it by accident. I'm a big fan of the Valdemar series of books. I was first introduced to them with the Oathbound books. Can some one send me the address for the Queen's Own sight on the web.I know its out there I just don't know the address. Thank you. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1199 **********************************