MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1214

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Medicine ans Healers
	by "R. Barron" <rbarron-+AT+-sonic.net>
  2) Bardic Gift
	by Shidrati Binte Ali BEMSA <BEMSA-+AT+-ABEM1.NUSSTF.nus.sg>
  3) Re: Medicine and Healers
	by Thalionar <thalionar-+AT+-geocities.com>
  4) Help
	by "Joe Lackey" <sorowheart-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  5) Re: Bardic Gift
	by "SJB" <sboynton-+AT+-capecod.net>
  6) ADMIN: attachments to messages, and so on
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
  7) Re: Bardic Gift
	by Hamlet <hamlet-+AT+-rmc1.crocker.com>
  8) Re: Help
	by Darkewynd-+AT+-aol.com
  9) Re: Help
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 10) Re: Help
	by georg-+AT+-swbell.net
 11) 
	by Roxanne Nolan <nolan-+AT+-televar.com>
 12) Re: Bardic Gift
	by BluEyesTB-+AT+-aol.com
 13) Re: Bardic Gift
	by Thalionar <thalionar-+AT+-geocities.com>
 14) Re: Help
	by Darkewynd-+AT+-aol.com
 15) Re: Braid: gays, sexuality
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 16) Re: Darkwind not being Chosen.
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 17) Healers:Repost/ 200years
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 18) Life bonds with hate
	by AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
 19) Your Sig.
	by Issica Baron <ib97isba-+AT+-fisk.helsingborg.se>
 20) Re: Age/Sexuality
	by Mark Severson <markttz-+AT+-eonet.com>
 21) Re: Fire Rose
	by Derry <dgorman-+AT+-highlander.cbnet.ns.ca>
 22) Re: Life bonds with hate
	by Derry <dgorman-+AT+-highlander.cbnet.ns.ca>
 23) Re: Help
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 24) Re: Heralds gone bad
	by Jivdog5-+AT+-aol.com
 25) Re: Help
	by georg-+AT+-swbell.net
 26) Re: Your Sig.
	by "J. Dorland" <chakram-+AT+-geocities.com>
 27) Re: Life bonds with hate
	by "J. Dorland" <chakram-+AT+-geocities.com>
 28) Reply
	by Beth Smith <ehs-+AT+-awod.com>
 29) Re: Help
	by TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com
 30) Re: Help
	by ahri-+AT+-juno.com (Not Home)

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 20:35:54 -0700
From: "R. Barron" <rbarron-+AT+-sonic.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK
Subject: Re: Medicine ans Healers
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970523203551.0068a81c-+AT+-pop.sonic.net>

Sorry I have no letter is quoted, and I don't know who the original author
was, but I am responding to the letter about how healers know what to do
with their herbs.

It would be logical that Valdemarian healers learned about herbs and
techniques the same  mid-evil witches-midwifes learned about them.
Experimenting and apprenticeship probably played a big part. As for the
"rare drug from the far away place", somebody in the area was probably sick
and stumbled onto it. And as for the inborn knowledge, isn't that part of
the healers gift?

					Vanessa's friend Joleen
Rachelle Barron
rbarron-+AT+-sonic.net
http://www.sonic.net/~rbarron

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Date: Sat, 24 May 97 12:25:00 PDT
From: Shidrati Binte Ali BEMSA <BEMSA-+AT+-ABEM1.NUSSTF.nus.sg>
To: mercedes-lackey <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Bardic Gift
Message-ID: <338740DD-+AT+-nusnetgw1.nus.sg>



Heyla,

I am curious. With all this speculations on gifts other than heraldic, I was 
thinking about the bardic gift.

In VAn's time, the bardic gift is mentioned often. But in Selenay's reign, 
there is little mention of this gift. Does this mean that the gift has faded 
away just like mage-gift was lost to the heralds?

If it is still around, have any known bard in Selenay's time used it?

Wind to thy Wings
Kestrel

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:32:01 -0400
From: Thalionar <thalionar-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Medicine and Healers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970524043201.00684674-+AT+-mail.geocities.com>

Hi! I'm a list newbie (well, sort of...I used to be on about 16 mos. ago,
anyway...) and, while I know there's not really a list "poll" on ages, I
thought I'd share that I'm 21 and female.

I don't know who originated this thread (sorry) about the medicine...but I
think it is likely that some of the herbal knowledge may have stemmed from
observing sick animals as well as just stumbling upon cures.

Wind to thy wings...

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|                    V                   |
|               *Thalionar*              |
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|        a.k.a. Laura M. Laffoon         |
| .____________________________________. |
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       l/             //             \I
                      V


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:51:21 PDT
From: "Joe Lackey" <sorowheart-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <199705240851.BAA22543-+AT+-f48.hotmail.com>

I don't know what to do and am at my wits end.  My younger brother acts almost 
exactly like Ma'ar!  He just uses people for his own ends to gain power, 
prestiege(sp), and money.  To make matters worse he is a mage(and I am almost 
certain that he is practing blood magic.  So far only with animals but I don't 
know how long that will last.)  Due to some vows I made before I realized what 
he was like I cannot hurt him either physicaly or magicaly.  My parents won't 
listen to anything bad about him, he has them totaly fooled.  He is also getting 
worse by the day.  He is a true sociopath(sp)and somehow needs to either be 
stoped before he does more harm or convinced of the error of his ways. Does 
anyone know what I can do?  I do know that his plan is total controll over all 
the worlds magic users and quite possibly the world itself.

Sorry about no Misty today, too upset.

Sorowheart k'Marra


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:33:07 -0400
From: "SJB" <sboynton-+AT+-capecod.net>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bardic Gift
Message-ID: <199705241224.IAA13207-+AT+-mailhost.capecod.net>

> In VAn's time, the bardic gift is mentioned often. But in Selenay's
>reign, there is little mention of this gift. Does this mean that the gift
>has faded away just like mage-gift was lost to the heralds?
>If it is still around, have any known bard in Selenay's time used it?
> 
> Wind to thy Wings
> Kestrel

I think the Bardic gift is still there - it is just not mentioned often
since it is not of primary importance to the recent story lines.  I think
Bards throughout time continued as they always have.  Because of Van's wish
to be a Bard and the fact that his Lifebonded was a Bard made it a more
important part of the story.  I believe they are very much still around
during Selenay's time but again not major players in the story lines so I
don't think anyone has been specifically been mentioned.

Blessed Be......Jess

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:46:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel>
To: mercedes-lackey
Subject: ADMIN: attachments to messages, and so on
Message-ID: <199705241346.OAA06120-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Please, folks, check what your mailer does before you try posting to the list;
if it does any or all of the following:

	1) sends attachments with the mail (usually something called 
	   WINMAIL.DAT)

	2) sends messages in MIME format (loads of bizarre characters)
or
	3) sends your mail in HTML format as well as ordinary text,

then make sure to turn this off before you post. (If you don't know how to 
turn them off, then ask your local tech support folks.) 

None of these are necessary, and they make the list a lot harder to read for
people using text-only tools. They also send much larger messages, which slows
things down for everyone (not least the computer on which this list runs, which
has other things to do)

Thanks

Mel

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:38:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Hamlet <hamlet-+AT+-rmc1.crocker.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic Gift
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970524112855.9463A-100000-+AT+-rmc1.crocker.com>

On Sat, 24 May 1997, SJB wrote:

> > In VAn's time, the bardic gift is mentioned often. But in Selenay's
> >reign, there is little mention of this gift. Does this mean that the gift
> >has faded away just like mage-gift was lost to the heralds?
> >If it is still around, have any known bard in Selenay's time used it?
> > 
> > Wind to thy Wings
> > Kestrel
> 
> I think the Bardic gift is still there - it is just not mentioned often
> since it is not of primary importance to the recent story lines.  I think
> Bards throughout time continued as they always have.  Because of Van's wish
> to be a Bard and the fact that his Lifebonded was a Bard made it a more
> important part of the story.  I believe they are very much still around
> during Selenay's time but again not major players in the story lines so I
> don't think anyone has been specifically been mentioned.
> 
> Blessed Be......Jess
> 
	Here's to hoping I'm not going to get flamed for this, but I
honestly think that Misty's writing has (*gulp*) declined a bit since she
wrote LHM.  Her new books are a lot more about politics and country-wide
crisciss (sp?) Look!  Valdemar in peril--again...  You almost have to
seach to find stuff about everybody's favorite characters.  
	In LHM, the stories were a lot more about the characters, which
was one of the main reasons I loved them so... You knew so many more
people for who they were... Savil, Jaysen, Andrel, Mardic and Donni...
Randale, Shavri and Jisa, Van's family, the Hawkbrothers... 
	I'm not saying she's stopped the influx of good characters, it's
just the here characters are much to busy being virtuous and noble to have
any kind of story to them.  Karal, for example.  I would much rather read,
"Gods, I'm glad that meeting is over.  I wonder where Natoli is..." than
the entire meeting, I'm going to go collapse now.  Don't get me wrong, I
love her books as much as the next reader... What was my point?  Right.  I
think that could have a bit to do with why the Bards are such a little
part of the story now.

...Hamlet

"Hello," said Arthur.  "Something seems to be happening..."



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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:55:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Darkewynd-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <970524115520_1323683260-+AT+-emout13.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-05-24 05:03:32 EDT, you write:

<< I don't know what to do and am at my wits end.  My younger brother acts
almost 
 exactly like Ma'ar!  He just uses people for his own ends to gain power, 
 prestiege(sp), and money.  To make matters worse he is a mage(and I am
almost 
 certain that he is practing blood magic.  So far only with animals but I
don't 
 know how long that will last.)  Due to some vows I made before I realized
what 
 he was like I cannot hurt him either physicaly or magicaly.  My parents
won't 
 listen to anything bad about him, he has them totaly fooled.  He is also
getting 
 worse by the day.  He is a true sociopath(sp)and somehow needs to either be 
 stoped before he does more harm or convinced of the error of his ways. Does 
 anyone know what I can do?  I do know that his plan is total controll over
all 
 the worlds magic users and quite possibly the world itself.
  >>

You can do two things, 1) you can wait for Karma to come back and nip him in
the butt, thus puting an end to his exploits, or 2) You can bind him
magickally. The second is in the grey area of doing something to limit
someones free will, but if it stops him from doing harm from himself or
anyone else then it is acceptable.

Therian


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:24:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970524121058.691H-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Sat, 24 May 1997, Joe Lackey wrote:

> To make matters worse he is a mage(and I am almost certain that he is
> practing blood magic.  So far only with animals but I don't know how
> long that will last.) 

Joe, 

If you have evidence that he is actually killing animals or that he may be
harming humans, you should probably contact the police.  In most states,
animal abuse is illegal.  Definitely, if you have good evidence that he is
starting to target humans, you must report it to the authorities. 
Whatever your brother may believe, his "magic" is not going to be a
sufficient excuse for murder in the eyes of the law and it certainly won't
protect him.  Of course, this is only my opinion.  If it is a matter of
animal abuse, you need to weigh your conscience and decide whether turning
him in is worth the familial sturm und drang.  

If, on the other hand, he is not killing animals or harming humans, you
probably will just have to let it lie.  There is nothing illegal about
being a manipulative, self-serving jerk.  If there were, the jails would
be even more crowded than they already are and the major corporations of
the world would be full of echoing empty corridors and offices. =)

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:54:30 -0500
From: georg-+AT+-swbell.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <33871D46.1179-+AT+-swbell.net>

Beware...if you try to bind him but he is stronger than you(remember he
uses blood magic!!) this could be your final act.....

georg

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roxanne Nolan <nolan-+AT+-televar.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Message-ID: <199705241657.JAA01548-+AT+-concord.televar.com>

A story I would dearly love to see more of is the story of Baron Valdemar
and what prompted his flight from the Empire. I got to thinking about it and
wondering what deities he prayed to to help them. From what I gathered it
was not Vkandis or the Star Eyed. I also got to wondering since the empire
worships (I use this term loosely) their ancestors and it is generally known
that the Companions are re-incarnated heralds could the first Companions
been an answer from the Gods Valdemar prayed to (i.e his ancestors) by them
(them being some of the ancestors) becoming the first Companions?   Roxanne


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: BluEyesTB-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic Gift
Message-ID: <970524130247_-1598513311-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-05-24 11:41:57 EDT, you write:

<< 
 	Here's to hoping I'm not going to get flamed for this, but I
 honestly think that Misty's writing has (*gulp*) declined a bit since she
 wrote LHM.  Her new books are a lot more about politics and country-wide
 crisciss (sp?) >>

I think you are entirely right, friend.  I, too, feel that the emphasis has
moved from in-depth characterization to the trials of Valdemere.  I still
like the books, but they just don't hold the same quality.   I would love to
see Misty write a book where Valdemere is NOT in danger.  LOL

BLU

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:41:08 -0400
From: Thalionar <thalionar-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bardic Gift
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970524184108.00677ef0-+AT+-mail.geocities.com>

At 05:40 AM 5/24/97 +0100, you wrote:

>In VAn's time, the bardic gift is mentioned often. But in Selenay's reign, 
>there is little mention of this gift. Does this mean that the gift has faded 
>away just like mage-gift was lost to the heralds?
>
>If it is still around, have any known bard in Selenay's time used it?
>
>Wind to thy Wings
>Kestrel

Heyla!

Isn't there a reference to Jadus having (or not, I don't remember and my
books are packed up) the bardic gift and also a heraldic gift?

Or maybe he had the *other* two requirements...

Wind to thy wings...



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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Darkewynd-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <970524145746_-263507855-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-05-24 13:11:24 EDT, you write:

<< Beware...if you try to bind him but he is stronger than you(remember he
 uses blood magic!!) this could be your final act.....
  >>

Well, if he does something really bad, and heis the only person in the wrong,
you could always invoke the retribution aspect of the Goddess

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Braid: gays, sexuality
Message-ID: <01IJ93F8JS369EMOAB-+AT+-delphi.com>

On 22-MAY-1997 14:53:57.6 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
 me>On Wed, 21 May 1997, Deb Harrington wrote:
 me>>
 me>> I have never cried harder than when I read Magic's Pawn!  For months

For me it was _The Manchurian Candidate_.  That is the most tragic movie I
have ever seen.

I haven't read about Ulrich dying yet, but I suspect I'll sniffle about as
much for that as I did when I found out about Masterharper Robinton in the
Pen books.  :)




     Chantal                                                                                                                                 

`[1;31;46mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Darkwind not being Chosen.
Message-ID: <01IJ93FIQKB69EMOAB-+AT+-delphi.com>

The way I see it is, Companions/Heralds originally came into being because
Baron Valdemar wanted to ensure that the rulership of his country would not
become unethical, and that the country could be defended well.  Any Herald
has the possibility of becoming Valdemar's ruler.  I'd think this would also
require that a Chosen's first loyalty must be to the country of Valdemar,
possibly even over family if the need is desperate enough.  A loyalty to
ethics would have to be equally as strong.


     Chantal/Aerden  :)
     Interim Avatar of Stupid Chess Moves

"But that's just my opinion.  I could be wrong."  --Dennis Miller


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:15:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Healers:Repost/ 200years
Message-ID: <01IJ93FO376G9EMOAB-+AT+-delphi.com>

On 23-MAY-1997 08:12:05.5 mercedes-lackey said to AERDEN
 me>Okay, let's try this again. I waited through two digests and I didn't
 me>see my post, so, I'll pose the post again.
 me>Does anyone know how Healers figured out what herb to use when? They
 me>seem to have great stores of natural knowledge, but where did it all
 me>come from? was someone just wandering in the woods someday and said
 me>"Hey, that root looks like if one pulverized it and boiled it that it
 me>would cure , I don't know, the flu?" I'd really like to know where all
 me>the Healer knowledge comes from and how it got started. Another thing,
 me>did anyone ever notice that in a lot of pot-boilers, the magical cure
 me>is only found by going on a treck to the nether regions? If this cure
 me>is only found there, who the heck knew to go there in the first place
 me>and discover it? ---------------------

Millennia of trial and error.  Sheer luck.  Observation.  Experimentation.
The same way as any new drugs are discovered.  If you want a really
fascinating look at how people come up with new drugs, read Richard M.
Restak's book _Receptors_.  Also check out James Burke's TV show
_Connections_  (and _Conn._ 2 and 3).  You would be amazed at how many drugs
come about from complete accidents.



     Chantal                                                                                                                                 

Always strive to kill as few patients as possible.

`[1;37;41mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:15:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: AERDEN-+AT+-delphi.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Life bonds with hate
Message-ID: <01IJ93FUMYVI9EMOAB-+AT+-delphi.com>

To Vanessa's friend Joleen--Hi!  Yes, I would think a hate-bond is possible.
 Hate is in some ways the same thing as love, only with negative emotions.
It involves the same 'obsession' with another, the same degree of attention
to be given to another, etc.  There's a book out by Ellis Peters called _The
Pilgrim of Hate_, whose title sums this up in a nutshell.


     Chantal                                                                                                                                 

`[1;36;41mRainbow V 1.20.2 for Delphi - Test Drive

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Date: Sat, 24 May 97 21:21:25 +0200
From: Issica Baron <ib97isba-+AT+-fisk.helsingborg.se>
To: "Thalionar" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Your Sig.
Message-ID: <199705241918.VAA03846-+AT+-linux.fisk.helsingborg.se>

Hi!  I know that this makes me sound like a very uncreative, unoriginal 
person, but cod I please modify your sig. and use it as my own sometimes 
(not on this Misty list though)?

Issica

>
>           )       \   /      (
>          /|\      )\_/(     /|\
>*        / | \    (/\|/\)   / | \        *
>|`._____/__|__o____\`|'/___o__|__\_____.'|
>|            '^`    \|/   '^`            |
>|                    V                   |
>|               *Thalionar*              |
>|        thalionar-+AT+-geocities.com         |
>|        a.k.a. Laura M. Laffoon         |
>| .____________________________________. |
>|'     l    /\ /      \\       \ /\   l `|
>*      l  /   V        ))       V   \ l  *
>       l/             //             \I
>                      V

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:35:33 -0700
From: Mark Severson <markttz-+AT+-eonet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Age/Sexuality
Message-ID: <33874305.4C37-+AT+-eonet.com>

Greetings,

  Been lurking for a while - being a tax zombie that was about all I 
could do through the end of April, since then I hadn't really seen 
anything new that I either knew enough about to comment on or was really 
inspired by.

  To the keeper of the ages - I am 42 years of age.  I don't know if 
this makes me the oldest curmudgeon on this mailing list but I am 
probably up there.
 
  Contrary to the suggestion that "most" males who read Misty are gay I 
am straight arrow.  I do not run around attempting to force folks to 
accept my bias and I expect the same from others.  As long as everyone 
treats each other as people then there will be no problems. When one 
side or the other attempts to force their bias on the other group you 
end up with big problems!  

  As I stated in my first posting to this list my first book was the 
SFBC copy of LHM.  I had never read a book where the main character was
gay. Once he got his act together he struck me as a kind, caring and 
brave character.  His choice of partners had no bearing on his 
abilities.  Nor did he run around attempting to force people to accept 
him.  Even when he lashed out at his father (whom I consider to have 
been a royal jerk for much of the story).   

  I use to go to a convention every January for morphs.  This January 
was the fourth and unfortunately final time I will go.  Why have I 
decided to stop going?  Simple, when folks decide that they have the 
right to FORCE their preferences on others I no long wish to be 
associatied with that event.  Straights, gays, bi's have been going to 
that con all along.  I knew before I went to the first one I attended.
But when it gets to the point that you have people at a convention for
anthropomorphics (not sure what it is? Bugs Bunny, Teenage Mutant Ninja 
Turtles, Joe Camel, Mickey Mouse etc.  Basically animals/(and other 
things) with human characteristics) where males are running around in 
dresses (no morph there), leathers, whips, attempting to climb down each 
others throats in the lobby to mention some of the lighter stuff that 
went on then I want no part of it!

  It wasn't the straights doing this stuff, nor was it the majority of 
the gay/bi group but it WAS a minority of that group and when the person 
running the thing who is gay refuses to ask people to take it to their 
rooms then it is obvious just what the con has become.  Next year will 
be worst because I have talked to other persons who were there, from 
both sides of the fence who have said they won't be back thanks to the 
things that went on this year.  
 
  The acts of the few taint the many.  It may not be right but it's the 
truth.  I cannot afford to risk my reputation and job so that a little 
pack of clowns can "express themselves". I don't have a problem with 
hand holding, or even kissing in public. But when people get to the 
point of doing stuff in public that belongs in the bedroom I draw the 
line.  

  By the way, yes I do know some folks who are bi/gay and we get along 
fine, I think they are fine people.  I don't attempt to "convert" them 
and they don't attempt to "convert" me.  Works out great.

  Well it time for this Zombie to get back down off his soapbox.  The 
thing with the con is a rather sore spot with me, it was my one break 
of pleasure prior to three months of hell and now it is history.

  Sorry to have preached.  Take care, God Bless (or your diety of 
choice, I won't attempt to "convert" ya there either) Peace

Mark Severson
Mark the tax zombie
markttz-+AT+-eonet.com

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:13:15 +0400
From: Derry <dgorman-+AT+-highlander.cbnet.ns.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Fire Rose
Message-ID: <199705241313.RAA22306-+AT+-highlander>

At 04:14 AM 23/05/97 +0100, you wrote:
>I really liked the book Fire Rose and it is something that i would like to
>see more of. I like the explanation of magic in that book.
>
        I think that i read somewhere that Mercedes Lackey was going to do
more books _like_that but not with the same characters, but set in the same
time with the same explanations of magic.  Although i could be wrong.
        There Can Be Only One!        



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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:23:58 +0400
From: Derry <dgorman-+AT+-highlander.cbnet.ns.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Life bonds with hate
Message-ID: <199705241323.RAA22511-+AT+-highlander>

At 11:19 PM 23/05/97 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>	Pertaining to Stefan's discription of life bonds - there only needs to be
>>a good working relationship to form a life bond! No love is necessary even
>>if it helps. - Could a person life bond with someone they truly hate? Or
>>fall in love with someone other than their life bonded partener? 
>>						Vanessa's friend Joleen
>
>About lifebonding with somebody one truly hates - that's a good question. I
>think it might be able to happen, but considering the symptoms (?) of
>lifebonds, I don't think it would be possible to hate a person for long
>after being bonded to them.
>
>As for falling in love with someone other than a lifebonded partner....... I
>would have to say that I don't think that's possible. Once again there are
>the symptoms of lifebonds, which in all cases end in profound love for the
>lifebonded "other", even if it is avoided for a while at first. I don't
>think that a love that strong would make anyone think they need to fall in
>love with somebody else...
>
>Just my 2 cents... =)
>
>Jack
>
><>Jack Dorland
><>Internet: http://www.geocities.com/~chakram
><>Email: chakram-+AT+-geocities.com
><>   There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: 
><>   LSD & UNIX.  We do not believe this to be a coincidence.
>
>       I don't really know if this is relavant but i think that they
mentioned in one of the arrows books-i don't remeber what one-that it was
posible to have a life bond with three.
        
>


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 16:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970524164801.22888C-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Sat, 24 May 1997 Darkewynd-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> Well, if he does something really bad, and heis the only person in the wrong,
> you could always invoke the retribution aspect of the Goddess

Guys, could we please keep this vaguely Misty related?  I regret that I
sent something to the list about this also (my apologies to everyone), and
on reflection I realize I should have sent my reply to Joe directly, since
it didn't have anything to do with the topic of this list.  However, I
will now bring a bit of ObMisty into my post: I have suddenly developed a
lot more sympathy for the spirit in which she wrote "The Last Straw." 

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

**http://www.udel.edu/kenny/ken.html or .../kenny/green.silences.html**


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jivdog5-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Heralds gone bad
Message-ID: <970524170146_-895863049-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com>

please send all mail to: Peacock14-+AT+-aol.com


thanks, me

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 16:08:36 -0500
From: georg-+AT+-swbell.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <338758D4.5E87-+AT+-swbell.net>

Darkewynd-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-05-24 13:11:24 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Beware...if you try to bind him but he is stronger than you(remember he
>  uses blood magic!!) this could be your final act.....
>   >>
> 
> Well, if he does something really bad, and heis the only person in the wrong,
> you could always invoke the retribution aspect of the Goddess
If this worked as easily as you suggest then there would be no trouble
handling M'aar or Learth....Remember the gods insist you handle things
yourself and only directly intervene in world threatening crisis....
georg

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:39:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Dorland" <chakram-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Your Sig.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970524164232.0927e7d8-+AT+-mail.geocities.com>


>Hi!  I know that this makes me sound like a very uncreative, unoriginal 
>person, but cod I please modify your sig. and use it as my own sometimes 
>(not on this Misty list though)?

Haha! Speaking of uncreative and unoriginal, where do you think I got it? =)
A friend of mine used it, and I took it as soon as he changed... Go ahead
and take the sig if you want it... =)

Jack

<>Jack Dorland
<>Internet: http://www.geocities.com/~chakram
<>Email: chakram-+AT+-geocities.com
<>   There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: 
<>   LSD & UNIX.  We do not believe this to be a coincidence.


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Dorland" <chakram-+AT+-geocities.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Life bonds with hate
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970524164456.092760bc-+AT+-mail.geocities.com>


>>       I don't really know if this is relavant but i think that they
>mentioned in one of the arrows books-i don't remeber what one-that it was
>posible to have a life bond with three.

Right... Weren't they talking about Ylsa, Keren, and Sheri? It's been a bit
since I read them, but didn't Keren bond to Shari after Ylsa died?

<>Jack Dorland
<>Internet: http://www.geocities.com/~chakram
<>Email: chakram-+AT+-geocities.com
<>   There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: 
<>   LSD & UNIX.  We do not believe this to be a coincidence.


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 18:56:28 -0400
From: Beth Smith <ehs-+AT+-awod.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Reply
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970524185628.00689520-+AT+-awod.com>

   Misty handles the subject of homosexuality well.  I find unfortunately,
the older I get, the more bias I get.  I have a cousin who is gay, and I
adore him and like his partner very well.  However, I dislike strong public
displays of bedroom behavior by either sex for any reason.  It seems as tho
the morals and eithics this country has always been so proud of began to
erode, when we decided that it was perfectly ok to do your own thing, no
matter who it hurt, or how it looked to others.
   One of the things I like about Misty's books is the strong social
responsibilities she stresses.  Patriotism is not dying  nor is it a joke.
I agree that her writing in the mage winds triology is not quite what it
was in other books, but all writers evolve.  Perhaps she may take a note
from some of these messages.  I refuse to be overly critical, because she
does what I only dream of doing, and the enjoyment I get from her books is
tempered only by waiting until I can afford the next one or until it comes
out.
    Before I go under in a hail of replies, remember that I am one of the
oldest of you, and supposed to be more conservative.  But I have never
liked having something shoved down my throat, or being bullied.  Enough
already.

Wind to thy wings,

Stormwind
Keeper and bearer of rainbows.


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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:00:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <970524200032_-1565489343-+AT+-emout20.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-05-24 05:03:35 EDT, you write:

<< I don't know what to do and am at my wits end.  My younger brother acts
almost 
 exactly like Ma'ar!  He just uses people for his own ends to gain power, 
 prestiege(sp), and money.  To make matters worse he is a mage(and I am
almost 
 certain that he is practing blood magic.  So far only with animals but I
don't 
 know how long that will last.)  Due to some vows I made before I realized
what 
 he was like I cannot hurt him either physicaly or magicaly.  My parents
won't 
 listen to anything bad about him, he has them totaly fooled.  He is also
getting 
 worse by the day.  He is a true sociopath(sp)and somehow needs to either be 
 stoped before he does more harm or convinced of the error of his ways. Does 
 anyone know what I can do?  I do know that his plan is total controll over
all 
 the worlds magic users and quite possibly the world itself.
 
 Sorry about no Misty today, too upset.
 
 Sorowheart k'Marra >>

Have you tried confronting him about this? Or talking to someone at his
school (if he's still in school)? Best of luck, Sorrowheart.

TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com
Assistant Pig-keeper
Guardian of Zebra Finches

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:51:42 EDT
From: ahri-+AT+-juno.com (Not Home)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Help
Message-ID: <19970524.195019.7535.0.Ahri-+AT+-juno.com>


On Sat, 24 May 1997 22:25:53 +0100 (BST) georg-+AT+-swbell.net writes:

>> you could always invoke the retribution aspect of the Goddess

>If this worked as easily as you suggest then there would be no trouble
handling >M'aar or Learth....Remember the gods insist you handle things
yourself and only >directly intervene in world threatening crisis....


  AAAAARRRGGGHHHH.....
 
THE GODDESS IS NOT A MISTY-CREATED FICTIONAL CHARACTER. M'aar and Learth
ARE.  I REALLY don't think my Goddess gives mind to fictional characters'
lives, for all her name is used in books.  If one wants to call upon the
Goddess for protection or reassurance, they can.  So remember, the gods
in *Misty's* world insist one handles things themselves. 

 If this chap IS practicing black magick, etc. and harming
people/animals, the police have to be notified.  Even though that will
give further fuel to the 'pagans are bad' arguments, he CANNOT be allowed
to hurt other individuals.

 NOW then, back to Misty-related stuff.  

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"Though my soul may set in darkness/I will rise in perfect light
I have loved the stars too fondly/to be fearful of the night."
Blessed be, Ahri-+AT+-Juno.com
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