MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1230

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: getting books/digests
	by TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com
  2) Re:getting books
	by LazyDazy99-+AT+-aol.com
  3) re: star-eyed and candles
	by Windstorm <meh-+AT+-maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca>
  4) Re: candles
	by Familia Rincon Parra <rinparra-+AT+-sol.racsa.co.cr>
  5) Star-eyed and Sun and Shadow
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  6) Re: Error Condition Re: Re: Randale/Gods
	by AirlineRob-+AT+-aol.com
  7) Re: Vanyel fathering Jisa
	by texs72-+AT+-webtv.net
  8) Re: Star-eyed and Sun and Shadow
	by Lydia Hales <psu07362-+AT+-odin.cc.pdx.edu>
  9) Re: Empire | Maar's army
	by ulmont-+AT+-cc.gatech.edu (Richard Campbell)
 10) Songs/Godhood
	by "Joe Lackey" <sorowheart-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 11) RE: Empire | Maar's army
	by Crystal Hewitt <mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
 12) Eldan in Kero's Dreams/candlemarks/cold
	by Jennifer Lucy Cornelius <CORNELJL-+AT+-udmercy.edu>
 13) re: star-eyed and candles -Reply
	by Jennifer Lucy Cornelius <CORNELJL-+AT+-udmercy.edu>
 14) Re: Vanyel fathering Jisa
	by RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com
 15) Re: Eldan in Kero's Dreams/candlemarks/cold
	by RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com
 16) Short Braid: Songs/Empire/Companions/Spoilers
	by Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
 17) Re: Kero and Eldan/timeline/Van as MO/Rolan+Roald/Tannim
	by John Hagen <john.hagen-+AT+-snet.net>
 18) Ren Faire
	by Tensen <tensen-+AT+-cybercomm.net>
 19) Florian
	by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner)
 20) Florian -Reply
	by Jennifer Lucy Cornelius <CORNELJL-+AT+-udmercy.edu>
 21) REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE!Some idiot signed me up for almost every group 
	by Tom & Judy Yeary TIMESHARE RESALES <tmshrsal-+AT+-magicnet.net>

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: getting books/digests
Message-ID: <970608184730_-927332555-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-06-08 06:15:13 EDT, Selene wrote:

<< Okay, does anyone know where I could get the three Winds books? Preferably
 some place that a) ships books, b) doesn't charge enormous rates for the
 shipping, and c) has pretty reasonable prices. Those are the only 3
 Velgarath books I haven't read, other than the Gryphon ones (I'm getting to
 those when I've finished Oathbreakers), and those are the ones I can't find
 anywhere!
  >>

     Generally, most bookstores will special-order books from the publisher
if you ask the people in the customer service department nicely. Some will
charge a nominal fee, but most larger stores will do it for free (plus the
cover price of the book). 
******************************************************************************
*******
    Hershey's Special Dark Chocolate sheep to all for this next question, cuz
I know the answer was posted before: How do I switch to digest mode? I didn't
recieve that info in the infosheet I recieved when I first signed up. Help!

TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com 
Assistant Pig-Keeper
Guardian of Zebra Finches



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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:28:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: LazyDazy99-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re:getting books
Message-ID: <970608212810_-463241140-+AT+-emout03.mail.aol.com>

Selene wrote:

<< Okay, does anyone know where I could get the three Winds books? Preferably
 some place that a) ships books, b) doesn't charge enormous rates for the
 shipping, and c) has pretty reasonable prices. Those are the only 3
 Velgarath books I haven't read, other than the Gryphon ones (I'm getting to
 those when I've finished Oathbreakers), and those are the ones I can't find
 anywhere!
  >>

I had this problem also but then I found http://www.amazon.com/  ,  the books
they sell are usually discounted and the only extra cost is the shipping.
 The have something like 3 million books that include a large selection of
Misty's work.

This is the link  <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/">Welcome to Amazon.com Books
! Earth's Biggest Bookstore</A> 

thanks

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 21:45:30 -0600
From: Windstorm <meh-+AT+-maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: star-eyed and candles
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970608214530.006aa33c-+AT+-pop.srv.ualberta.ca>


>Whatever mythic overtones may have been added to the story by the popular
>bardic traditions, the actual characters of Sun and Shadow were part of
>the written human history of Valdemar. 

How do you know it was part of the written history of Valdemar?  It's an
ancient song, and Valdemar isn't an ancient land.  Maybe that's how the
song changed over time, to fit in with what the Valdemarens knew.


 Since there is no indication that Valdemarans *ever* knew of
>the existence of Kalenel, it is unlikely that they would have used her as
>a character in a legend.  

Well where did Valdemarens come from in the first place?  They fled a land;
well couldn't that have been a place where those were the gods, or at least
some of them?  And then the knowing of those gods could have died out
slowly and been replaced by what they have today.  Afer all, Valdemar is a
hodge-podge of religions, and one of them was bound to know about Vkandis
and Kalenel.  What is the main religion of valdemar anyway?  Do they even
have a main one?

About the candlemark thing, Ambient temperature would have been pretty
similar in one place, so maybe other towns have slightly different lengths.
 Maybe it's just a rough approximation and they went mostly by their
internal clocks?


Windstorm
-So long and thanks for all the sheep...


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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:13:43 -0600
From: Familia Rincon Parra <rinparra-+AT+-sol.racsa.co.cr>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: candles
Message-ID: <01BC7459.40C820A0-+AT+-pionero1-a45.racsa.co.cr>


On the candlemark, and general timekeeping
In AF, Talia looks out of the window, looks at the sun dial, and rushes to 
class. first page of the book
so, my opinion would be that they use the sun to mark the time by day, and 
candles at night.
At night, the use would be mostly to know how late you would be getting 
into bed, how long the council meeting has been, etc, and it wouldn't need 
to be in synch to the rest of Valdemar.  In case of a meeting, I've never 
noticed how they arrange them.  Do they say, "meet me 3 candlemarks after 
noon"?  Perhaps they guide themselves in the collegium by the bells, tehn 
again, this could be one of the things we will never know.
But there would be a fault in my theory. How come the palace guards know 
when a Herald will be getting home, so exactly?  ( I can't remember in 
which book it was)

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Star-eyed and Sun and Shadow
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970609001813.15894B-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Windstorm wrote:

> >Whatever mythic overtones may have been added to the story by the popular
> >bardic traditions, the actual characters of Sun and Shadow were part of
> >the written human history of Valdemar. 
> How do you know it was part of the written history of Valdemar?  It's an
> ancient song, and Valdemar isn't an ancient land.  Maybe that's how the
> song changed over time, to fit in with what the Valdemarens knew.

We know this because we are told this.  The song isn't really that
ancient.  It is part of the Windrider Cycle (or contemporary with it)  and
the characters of Sun and Shadow really were Heralds, which means that it
took place after the Founding.  Like I said, this is stated in one of the
Arrows books (Arrows Flight, as I recall).  I don't have them in my office
(which is where I am at the moment) or I would give the page numbers. 
However, if you look at the intro to Sun and Shadow in the back of
Oathbreaker (IIRC), it also talks about them. 

> Well where did Valdemarens come from in the first place?  They fled a land;
> well couldn't that have been a place where those were the gods, or at least
> some of them?

Well, I don't think that will is a spoiler anymore, but if you haven't
read any of the Storms books, don't look.  We know that the original
settlers of Valdemar came from the Empire.  And the Empire quite
explicitly does not worship Vkandis or Kalenel.  Particularly since the
Empire was founded by the remnants of Ma'ar's army, they could hardly have
taken up the worship of the Goddess of the Kaled'a'in.

> Afer all, Valdemar is a hodge-podge of religions, and one of them was
> bound to know about Vkandis and Kalenel. 

You know, this does bring up an interesting point.  The Temples of the
Sunlord in Valdemar were supposed to have broken from the main Temple in
Karse when the false Sons of the Sun came to power and the Writ of Vkandis
was either suppressed or perverted.  So, why is there no indication that
the Valdemaran temples retained the worship of the Kalenal?  Nary even a
peep about that, anywhere in the book.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.udel.edu/kenny/prof/ken.html or .../kenny/pers/green.silences.html



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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:33:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: AirlineRob-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Re: Randale/Gods
Message-ID: <970609003310_-960382254-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-06-09 00:03:59 EDT, you write:

<< 
 We are sorry, but this system sensed the following request whi >>
unsubscribe mercedes-lackey

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:51:52 -0400
From: texs72-+AT+-webtv.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel fathering Jisa
Message-ID: <199706090451.VAA20048-+AT+-mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net>

Hi all! Delurking for a short post. 
IIRC, in  MPromise, Vanel was remembering Shavri taling about not having
children. She said something like "I can't stand it. I want a baby." and
was crying. I think that Vanyel fathered Jisa as a favor to his friends,
not out of any political reasons. JMHO.

Chocolate coated peanut butter sheep to all for the short post.
Blessings,
Texie 

So many books - so little time.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lydia Hales <psu07362-+AT+-odin.cc.pdx.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Star-eyed and Sun and Shadow
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91.970608222349.13387B-100000-+AT+-odin.cc.pdx.edu>



On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Ken Hyde wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Windstorm wrote:
> 
> Well, I don't think that will is a spoiler anymore, but if you haven't
> read any of the Storms books, don't look.  We know that the original
> settlers of Valdemar came from the Empire.  And the Empire quite
> explicitly does not worship Vkandis or Kalenel.  Particularly since the
> Empire was founded by the remnants of Ma'ar's army, they could hardly have
> taken up the worship of the Goddess of the Kaled'a'in.

>> I thought they worshipped their ancestors, esp. the Emperors; calling 
them the 100 Little Gods.  It was also mentioned in SRising that they 
have various " cults," (i.e. other religions) such as a totemic type 
cult. I suppose the worship of Kalenel could be a "cult," but would the 
followers of Ma'ar worship the same as Urtho's followers.  Anyway, I 
thought that Kalenel was the Godddess of the Kaled'i'in, not Urotho's 
followers in general.  For example, the gryphons didn't particularly 
worship any God/ess.
> 
> > Afer all, Valdemar is a hodge-podge of religions, and one of them was
> > bound to know about Vkandis and Kalenel. 

>> They fled from the Empire, if the worship survived there, it's 
> 
> >Lady Lydia 

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:22:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: ulmont-+AT+-cc.gatech.edu (Richard Campbell)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Empire | Maar's army
Message-ID: <199706090622.CAA21011-+AT+-felix.cc.gatech.edu>

> Particularly since the
> Empire was founded by the remnants of Ma'ar's army, they could hardly have
> taken up the worship of the Goddess of the Kaled'a'in.

I thought it was implied that the Empire was founded by the mercenaries
from Urtho's group?

--
Richard Campbell	 "All I'm saying is that if I ever refer to these
gt3678b-+AT+-prism.gatech.edu  	   as the best years of my life,
("Pink" Floyd, Dazed and Confused) please remind me to kill myself."


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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 07:08:46 PDT
From: "Joe Lackey" <sorowheart-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Songs/Godhood
Message-ID: <199706091408.HAA00552-+AT+-f40.hotmail.com>

Well, I've been lurking for a while but I think I'll stick my nose in 
again.  Sorry though, it's going to be a short post.

Does anyone know why Misty stoped putting songs in at the end of her 
trillogies?  I can sort of understand the reason for Winds and Storms 
series but I was realy hoping for songs from the Mage Wars.  This was 
one of my faviorite parts from her books.

Who do I write to about godhood?

Sorowheart k'Marra
Ansester of Puck

In the beginning the Universe was created.  This has made a lot of 
people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.-The Restaurant 
at the End of the Universe.


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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:50:51 -0400
From: Crystal Hewitt <mysttree-+AT+-phantomreality.com>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Empire | Maar's army
Message-ID: <01BC74C3.079548C0-+AT+-TPhantom02>

Actually, it never said *which* side the Empire came from.  It only 
mentioned that they were a bunch of mercenaries that were abandoned.  If 
anyone has textevd to the contrary please let me know- I'd love to know who 
exactly formed the empire.
Mysttree

> Particularly since the
> Empire was founded by the remnants of Ma'ar's army, they could hardly 
have
> taken up the worship of the Goddess of the Kaled'a'in.

I thought it was implied that the Empire was founded by the mercenaries
from Urtho's group?

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 10:55:44 -0400
From: Jennifer Lucy Cornelius <CORNELJL-+AT+-udmercy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Eldan in Kero's Dreams/candlemarks/cold
Message-ID: <s39be153.062-+AT+-udmercy.edu>

You wrote:
~~~~Oh, another thing came to me. Someone was saying that
Companions got re-inced as Heralds, and someone else said that there
wasn't enough evidence to prove that. I don't 'zactly have evidence, but
in MPrice, wossname (the younger Tayledras Adept) was broaching the
subject of Stef being Tylendel, and mentioned that spirits/whatever
tended to be reincarnated as beings of like intelligence. So Companions
*could* get re-inced as humans, but whether they became Heralds
would depend on what they were like, as we all know.~~~~~

As I remember in the Storm books when everything is unfolding they
answer that question quietly.. because Karal had a firecat for a guide
and a Companion as a guide... and he with his spiritual powers and the
guidance of the goddess.. was able to see that especially when he
was used as a conduit (sp) for power by the others... I recall when
they're all in a big circle.. and he sees the spririts of everyone.. but the
companion appears as a young woman or boy I think.. I can't remember
the page number off hand... but I distincly remember its there :-)

Also with the question someone mentioned about Vkandis and the Star
Eyed being connected.. that's answered also in the end of Karal's
books... as well as the fact that Vkandis is all the god of the people in
Iftel. 

:-) :-) :-)
Lady Rose



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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:04:36 -0400
From: Jennifer Lucy Cornelius <CORNELJL-+AT+-udmercy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: star-eyed and candles -Reply
Message-ID: <s39be373.078-+AT+-udmercy.edu>

wrote:
>>Well where did Valdemarens come from in the first place?  They fled
>a land; well couldn't that have been a place where those were the
>gods, or at least some of them?  And then the knowing of those gods
>could have died out slowly and been replaced by what they have
>today.  Afer all, Valdemar is a hodge-podge of religions, and one of
>them was bound to know about Vkandis and Kalenel.  What is the main
>religion of valde>

The Valdermarens fled from the Empire.. they mention it in a few books
when they talk about the Duke Valdemar or Baron.. I can't remember
which he was.. but that the Emperor was abusive so that Valdemar
fled..and then to rule the country wisely he asked for guidance and the
companions met him.. his own and his successor.. that's also how that
tradition got established... I know they also mention it again in the storm
series.. that it was from the Empire that they fled...

:-)
Lady Rose


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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:15:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vanyel fathering Jisa
Message-ID: <970609121404_1524606171-+AT+-emout02.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-06-09 02:43:58 EDT, you write:

<< She said something like "I can't stand it. I want a baby." and
 was crying. I think that Vanyel fathered Jisa as a favor to his friends,
 not out of any political reasons. JMHO.
  >>
 That and Van mentioned that they wanted to make Randale seem fertil for
aliance marigge perpouses
 RT

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:18:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Eldan in Kero's Dreams/candlemarks/cold
Message-ID: <970609121715_406675162-+AT+-emout18.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-06-09 11:43:23 EDT, you write:

<< I recall when
 they're all in a big circle.. and he sees the spririts of everyone.. but the
 companion appears as a young woman or boy I think.. I can't remember
 the page number off hand... but I distincly remember its there :-)
  >>
 Karal saw Florian as a boy several times, and Van is mentioned as having
seen Gala and Yfandes as girls. Gala in magics pawn and Yfandes in magics
promise.
AFN,
Seeya,
-Regan(RT)
 U.S.S.Conquistidor
Oponant of a Wrriten Languge Disability
Fellow Crevic Dweller
Knight errant of the Kingdom of Mercersyard
Blessed Destroyer of weeds
Seeker Kyr Nolae, bondmate of Qwue'la
"If you don't know it, look it up!"
                                            -Anonymus


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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Short Braid: Songs/Empire/Companions/Spoilers
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970609124804.5905A-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Joe Lackey wrote:

> Does anyone know why Misty stoped putting songs in at the end of her 
> trillogies?  I can sort of understand the reason for Winds and Storms 
> series but I was realy hoping for songs from the Mage Wars.  This was 
> one of my faviorite parts from her books.

I think that she stopped putting the songs there because she stopped doing
filk.  Apparently (and I may be misremembering), the filk/fan-cons/etc.
stuff was all curtailed after her experience with the stalker.  And I
think that she mentioned in an interview that she just wasn't into doing
filk any more.

> Who do I write to about godhood?

Well, like it says in the newbie fest, you write to me at
<kenny-+AT+-udel.edu>.  Just some guidelines for everyone (and I swear that I
am working on another Naming ceremony, now that my schedule is not so
hectic): get the list of existing Gods and Goddess before you request a
specific Godhead.  I will not Name anyone to a position that is already
substantially taken.  Which means that if someone wants to be the God of
Filk, they are out of luck since there is already a Goddess of Music and
Song.  If there is already a God or Goddess of whatever you want, you will
have to apply directly to them to be named as an avatar or as a
priest(ess).  Also, no deities of textevd will be appointed.  If you would
like a title, but can't think of an appropriate one you can always try for
the Divine Grab-Bag where you write to me, tell me a bit about yourself
and then let me make up something (I will be nice, I promise).  

-----NEW MESSAGE

Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Crystal Hewitt wrote:

> Actually, it never said *which* side the Empire came from.  It only 
> mentioned that they were a bunch of mercenaries that were abandoned.  If 
> anyone has textevd to the contrary please let me know- I'd love to know
> who exactly formed the empire.

I will look for it.  I remember that there was some.  I think it is a case
of putting two and two together, and the twos may come from different
books.

-----NEW MESSAGE

Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jennifer Lucy Cornelius wrote:

[attribution not given] wrote:
> [snip about the idea that it is theoretically possible that Companions
> *could* be reincarnated as humans.]
> 
> As I remember in the Storm books when everything is unfolding they
> answer that question quietly.. because Karal had a firecat for a guide
> and a Companion as a guide... and he with his spiritual powers and the
> guidance of the goddess.. was able to see that especially when he
> was used as a conduit (sp) for power by the others... I recall when
> they're all in a big circle.. and he sees the spririts of everyone.. but
> the companion appears as a young woman or boy I think.. I can't remember
> the page number off hand... but I distincly remember its there :-)

Okay.  Minor technical point.  Karal was the servant of Vkandis, not the
Goddess.  As I recall, the Goddess pretty much kept her hands off of him
and only gave him guidance indirectly.  You are right that Karal saw
Florian as a young man, but this doesn't necessarily mean that Companions
are reincarnated as humans.  Since Florian is a normal (not GB) Companion,
it makes sense that he is a human spirit that has been reincarnated, and
the young male form may be his *past* and not his future.  Sort of like
the way that Van always perceived Yfandes as a human lady in his head.
And of course (and I don't really think this is true, but it is an
alternative), it may just be the case that human minds, when confronted
with intelligent personality anthropomorphize it in there heads and the
"human" images have no relation to incarnations, future or past.

S(torm Breaking)

P

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> Also with the question someone mentioned about Vkandis and the Star
> Eyed being connected.. that's answered also in the end of Karal's
> books... as well as the fact that Vkandis is all the god of the people
> in Iftel. 

Hmmmm.  Spoilers?  Please mark them.  Anyway, I don't remember where it
states that the Star-Eyed really is the Consort of Vkandis.  And I really
don't remember it saying that Vkandis is the God of the Shin'a'in.  Oooo!
Great idea!  If the God of the Shin'a'in *isn't* Vkandis, but the
Star-Eyed *was* Vkandis' Consort, does that mean that she left him for
another god?  How very "All My Children"!

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd,

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.udel.edu/kenny/prof/ken.html or .../kenny/pers/green.silences.html



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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 13:26:39 -0400
From: John Hagen <john.hagen-+AT+-snet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kero and Eldan/timeline/Van as MO/Rolan+Roald/Tannim
Message-ID: <339C3C88.3556-+AT+-snet.net>

Nightdancer said > Does anyone know how Vanyel can feel every Herald in
MPromise. After the
> 
> heartstone is in place in MPrice, all Heralds can so that, through the 
> Companions. To find where it says he does, look on pg 29 MPromise"Vanyel
> could 
> follow the line of anyone who had 'shared magic' just by virtue of being a 
> Herald.

Angeline Sim said > Could it because Van's channels did not open
naturally? He only had
> POTENTIAL and not the gifts (said by Savil and Lendel somewhere in MPawn)
> when he went to Haven. His channels were BLASTED open by Gate energy, so
> since he was doubly sensitive to Gate energy, he was also very sensitive to
> the other Heralds. It would only follow that this sensitivity led to his
> links. I think...

Now, lest we all forget, Vanyel took all of the focus stones used by the
last Guardians and after the spell that cast the Web was finished, one
of the Guardians reached out and tried to remove his stone from the
arrangement.  Each focus stone was fused into the arrangement and the
table etc, was all one piece.  Plus, he used the Companions and offered
the energy to the Vrondi.  When each Guardian died, Vanyel felt his or
her death.  HE was the last living Guardian and the only one that had
ever laid hand and probed into the consciousness of a Heartstone.  He
used a spell he had looked up plus his Tayledras mage training and
created a Heartstone.  And that's how it was done.  Vanyel had a very
personal stake in freeing up the Herald Mages to do other work and
tieing each Herald through the Companion Herald bond to the Web.

And that's my take on that subject.

Lady Sara

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:43:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tensen <tensen-+AT+-cybercomm.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Ren Faire
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970609133846.30411C-100000-+AT+-crow.cybercomm.net>


Hmm, now that I've awakened from the not quite sleep of the dead after 
this past weekend's Ren Faire trip.

Any else interested in trying to get a slightly larger gathering of our 
list sibs at one Ren Faire?  

For me, East Coast preferably.  

The New York Faire in Tuxedo, NY is a good place, or perhaps the 
Pennsylvania faire.

The VA faire was a good meeting place, if only we could have scheduled 
the days better to get folks there on the same day of the weekend.
We didn't get enough blackmail this way :)


                                 Tensen

             

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:51:01 -0500
From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner)
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Florian
Message-ID: <199706091751.AA171018689-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu>

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>
>Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Jennifer Lucy Cornelius wrote:
>
>[attribution not given] wrote:
>> [snip about the idea that it is theoretically possible that Companions
>> *could* be reincarnated as humans.]

>  You are right that Karal saw
>Florian as a young man, but this doesn't necessarily mean that Companions
>are reincarnated as humans.  Since Florian is a normal (not GB) Companion,
>it makes sense that he is a human spirit that has been reincarnated, and
>the young male form may be his *past* and not his future.  

IIRC, when Karal and An'desha walk the moonpaths at the end of SB, Karal
does see Florian as a young man.  But, he makes a mental note to look for
that young man in a few years at the Collegium and that when he meets
"Florian" not to let too much slip because he (Karal) will know about
Florian's past, but the young man won't.  
I think that those in the Havens are given a choice if they want to come
back, but that they can do so more than once.  If my statement above is
accurate (I've got to remember to bring my books to work) and the assumption
that Companions are re-incarnated Heralds is true, then it's possible to
keep on coming back {ex:Florian as a Herald--->Florian as Florian--->Florian
as a future trainee/Herald}.

 
Nina Ehgartner
Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid
J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management
email:  nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu
Phone: (847) 491-3308
Fax: (847) 491-4960


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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:05:40 -0400
From: Jennifer Lucy Cornelius <CORNELJL-+AT+-udmercy.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Florian -Reply
Message-ID: <s39c2a02.057-+AT+-udmercy.edu>

I have a question for any out there... I don't know how many of you
have read the  Diana Tregarde Investigation novels she wrote.. but in
the first one called "Children of the night" Misty portrays two versions of
vampires.  One called a psi-vamp which seems to sap peoples souls
and another more traditional kind... I've not read all of the investigation
novels yet, I just started them, but in them does she ever explain the
difference between the two types of villans?  I was just wondering.

Secondly, In her book Sacred Ground, which I loved, did anyone else
see connections between her use of magic and the style of hers.  Also
a connection between Savil the teacher and Mooncrow?

*chocolate, peanut and carmel sheeps for everyone while they last*
Lady Rose


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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:33:48 -0500
From: Tom & Judy Yeary TIMESHARE RESALES <tmshrsal-+AT+-magicnet.net>
To: jeep-l-+AT+-knuth.mtsu.edu
Subject: REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE!Some idiot signed me up for almost every group 
Message-ID: <339C76BC.522F-+AT+-magicnet.net>

REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE! REMOVE!
Some idiot signed me up for almost every group online.

Judy

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