MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1247 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) lots more by ysara-+AT+-juno.com (Shana N West) 2) Re: Animation/Stories We'd Like To See by "Tay Hua Hui" 3) Re: Tiger Burning/phrases/casting by "Tay Hua Hui" 4) Re: Bardic Gift/Gates out of Velgarth by "Angeline" 5) Some sheep for y'all by TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Saych companions by "Jose A. Reyes" 7) ADMIN: don't post executable files to the list, or .... by Melanie Dymond Harper 8) Reincarnation and companions by DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: Reincarnation and companions by ulmont-+AT+-cc.gatech.edu (Richard Campbell) 10) Re: Reincarnation and companions by Ken Hyde 11) Re: Mage-Gift/Vanyel. by Brujah 12) Re: Yfandes/Jisa and Lyra/Kirs by Brujah 13) Re: Vanyel's gifts by Brujah 14) Naming Companions by nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) 15) goodbye by "Jaime Hathaway" 16) Re: Reincarnation and companions by Janelle Colleen Jarboe 17) Re: Reincarnation and companions by "Dawn L. Anderson" 18) Re: HiPiers by DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: Reincarnation and companions by Roxanne Nolan 20) Re: IIPTNIG - piers anthony stuff (fwd) by Greg Wooledge 21) Piers and Vanyel again by Greg Wooledge 22) Re: lots and lots by TheEmpore-+AT+-aol.com 23) Re: Yfandes/Jisa and Lyra/Kirs by Roxanne Nolan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:39:26 EDT From: ysara-+AT+-juno.com (Shana N West) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: ysara-+AT+-juno.com Subject: lots more Message-ID: <19970623.213845.3910.1.ysara-+AT+-juno.com> I'm the person who wrote lots and lots, I've just changed addresses. About Van and Healing- Savil said every gift was present. Maybe she just didn't list them all. About Van's unconcious Foresight thing, I believe its highly possible. What about deja-vu? I wonder if the 24 candlemarks a day thing really is related to our timekeeping system. Maybe its just a coincidence? As far as the mindspeech and other lang., I have some info on lang. development. When a child is young, they develop the lang. part of their brain. If they don't experience lang. at that age, they will probably never be able to speak. As the wonderful Jacob Bronowski said, (something to the effect of) " I learned to speak Polish as a child, and learned English at 12. I have since forgotten every word of Polish, but I would not have learned Eng. had it not been for the Polish I learned in my early years." I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. The way we learn other languages is by association. The reason why some people don't succeed in for. lang. courses is that they memorize rather than associate. Kinda like I say Tomato, you say tomato. When I think of the word cup, I associate it with my sense of the word cup, not the actual, substantial word. Words are a sensable manifestation of our associations. Therefore, when I think of the French word tasse (sp?) I don't think =cup, therefore.... I think tasse=the idea of cup. This is the underlying development of language and comprehension. Piers is sexist- read A Spell for Chameleon. Perhaps the reason why Comp. have probs talking with their heralds who don't have mindspeech is that the heralds dont know how to unshield themselves, but I am open to textevd. I am far from having read all of Misty's books. How did Van get Healing? Van is a mystery. (Van works in mysterious ways. He,he. sorry if that offended anyone :] ) What is newbiefest? Sorry I took so long. genetically reproduced sheep to all. Great for microwaves... Shana - Ysara =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:39:07 +0700 From: "Tay Hua Hui" To: Subject: Re: Animation/Stories We'd Like To See Message-ID: <199706240256.KAA04920-+AT+-mawar.singnet.com.sg> Doe any one ever think that misty will ever turn some of her books into videos or movies , exactly like in her books , I hate edited storylines , and who would play the part ? I hope it isn't any of the Big Ones , it loses all its flavour that way , it's got to be something different . Wing to thy wings .... ---------- > From: H. Torrance Griffin > To: hhtaymgc-+AT+-singnet.com.sg > Subject: Animation/Stories We'd Like To See > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 1997 12:39 AM > > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > > > > I've never seen this cartoon but i don't think a misty story can be > > changed into a cartoon.Her charactors are more three dimentional and human > > then you could ever translate into a cartoon. > > Fushi Yuugi > Vision of Escaflone > Almost _anything_ by Miyazaki > Gundam > Shin Shiki Evangelion > > Dawnstar, I challenge you to watch any of these and repeat that > statement afterwards with a straight face. > > > I do think that if misty ever > > has her stories transferd to the silver screen it should be in a movie. Or > > maby even a mini series. Infact NBC is doing somthing like that in july. > > Their making a mini series with wizerds and the whole bit. And it looks > > really good. > A _huge_ budget movie or miniseries could work, so long as casting > avoid looking for Starz(tm) to bend the roles to (I need to mention the > sin of expergation here). And heaven help them if they try to make it > more cheerful (i.e. Batman & Robin). > > > Getting back to a fairly old thread about Velgarth stories that > beg to be written, I remain eager to see an account of Kero's first few > months as a Herald of Valdemar as well as almost anything post-Winds > Trilogy concerning Narya (so sue me, my taste for strong women in fiction > is what drew me to Misty in the first place). > > HTG (relurking....) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:45:22 +0700 From: "Tay Hua Hui" To: Subject: Re: Tiger Burning/phrases/casting Message-ID: <199706240256.KAA04235-+AT+-mawar.singnet.com.sg> However , you do know that when she Bespoke Stefen , he never told anyone else . So no one else knew . Perhaps Yfandes is stronger than the rest and she had broken the silence because it was important and vital to Valdemar , she also told Vanyel she knew what the bond would come to so maybe she knew if she didn't Bespeak Stef , Master Dark , Leareth would succeed ... Wind to thy wings ---------- > From: billy.thorpe > To: hhtaymgc-+AT+-singnet.com.sg > Subject: Re: Tiger Burning/phrases/casting > Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 5:58 PM > > > Heyla all! > > A question has just occurred to me - sorry if it has come up before, but > I'm still a bit of a newbie. In MPrice, Yfandes tells Stef that Companions > can bespeak anyone, and that it's another of the things they like to keep > quiet about. But in all of the Valdemar books, there are Companions who > have trouble communicating with their Chosen due to his/her lack of > mindspeech. I don't think this is an act to cover up their secret, as the > Companion/Herald bond is so strong, so how else can it be explained? > > Pan-fried chocolate sheep to all, > > Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:13:40 +0800 From: "Angeline" To: Subject: Re: Bardic Gift/Gates out of Velgarth Message-ID: <199706240314.LAA25074-+AT+-larkspur.singnet.com.sg> > That wasn't using the Bardic Gift; Vanyel was simply passing as an > UnGifted Minstrel, IIRC. > > -- > Richard Campbell Van got into Lineas _thrice_. Once as himself, another as a minstrel, and the last time as a bard. Korendil wrote: > Hehheh..I can see it now... "Karal?" "Yes, Firesong?" "You know how I said > I'd Gate us out of here?" "Mmmhmm...." "Well...I don't think we're in > Velgarth any more." Let's see, where have they landed? In the middle of a traffic junction of modern-day New York during lunch-time? Hmm, that reminds me. Is any one here involved in the writing of the Mage Wars Archives? StarWolf? Korendil? Is it possible to write something like that with creatures from Velgart experimenting Gates that teleport them to different universes? I think I'll stop with the sheep-wyrsa-dragon thing. I've created a food chain! ooh look! Wyrsa eat sheep, dragon eat wyrsa! I have absolutely _nothing_ to contribute here... Mint chocolate sheep to all! (Look! The wyrsa are now prey for dragons, and they are playing "Chase"!) Wind to thy Wings, TG Elven Knight and Archer of Fairgrove >>~~~~~~~~> Lady of OOPS /{\ -+AT+-#####<-+AT+->:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> \{/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: TaliaRolan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Some sheep for y'all Message-ID: <970624015711_-2046446130-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> --PART.BOUNDARY.0.12067.emout19.mail.aol.com.867131831 Content-ID: <0_12067_867131831-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com.876> Content-type: text/plain here are some friends for everyone...some "real" shareware sheep to play with! have fun --PART.BOUNDARY.0.12067.emout19.mail.aol.com.867131831 Content-ID: <0_12067_867131831-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com.877> Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="SHEEP.EXE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 TVqLAAMAAAAgAAAA//8HAAABZUAAAAAAQAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:29:43 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Dymond Harper To: mercedes-lackey Subject: ADMIN: don't post executable files to the list, or .... Message-ID: <199706240929.KAA03855-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Summary: Don't post executable files to the list, or Auntie Mel will rip your limbs off and feed you to the wyrsa. Longer version: Once again I have to clean up after someone who thinks it's bright to post a large executable file to the list. (To add insult to injury, it looks like it was the _same_ executable file as last time.) There are many, many reasons why this is Just Not On. Let me give you a few. 1) Size of individual postings I dare say I have a copy of that file waiting in my home mailbox. (In fact I think I already downloaded it -- I wondered why checking mail took so long this morning.) There are plenty of people on this list who have to pay for one or more of: online time, phone calls to their service providers, each byte of mail received. That has therefore wasted not only their time but their money. 2) Size of postings to the whole list As of this morning there are 416 names on the subscriber list, of whom probably 350 or so are currently active. 430Kb x 350 people == a busy morning for Vanyel. I remind you that this machine and the leased line on which it sits are not dedicated solely to the running of this mailing list (nice though that would be); they are essential to the running of my business, and the list comes a fairly distant second to that. 3) Uselessness to many people I don't run Windows 95, and from the last go-around of this one I seem to recall it was Win95 specific. However, that leads me on to ... 4) Downloading executables from the net is not necessarily a good idea ...unless of course you have the most up-to-date and thorough virus-checking software known, and even then you won't necessarily be safe. 5) Auntie Mel has better things to do than clear up messes of people who cannot or will not read and understand things like the Newbiefest, the FAQ, the Rules of Thumb, and the like. Do _not_ do this again. Do _not_ send large attachments of any species to the list, they are _not_ welcome. THINK BEFORE YOU POST. I trust I am making myself clear? Mel Lackey listmistress, probably for sins in a past life or something. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Reincarnation and companions Message-ID: <970624092259_-761822783-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> Okay i was rereading arrows of the queen again yesturday and i came across somthing that kills the reincarnation theory or at least part of it anyway. When Talia is was in orientation Herald Teren asked if anyone knew how a companion chose Heralds, and no one knew. So he went through and explained what happens when companions chose and he said that somtimes companions let thier chosen name them. Now if a companion is a reincarnated Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? To me this is a huge problum in the reincarnated theory. I think that some companions are reincarnated but then thier are others that arn't and i'm not talking about grove born either. Dose anyone else have any thoughts on this? DAWNSTAR ::staring out into the poring down rain:: A little rain never hurt notin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: ulmont-+AT+-cc.gatech.edu (Richard Campbell) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation and companions Message-ID: <199706241452.KAA27883-+AT+-felix.cc.gatech.edu> DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com did verily spew onto the ether: > > Now if a companion is a reincarnated > Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? Someone else came up with this theory (sorry whoever you are, I forgot), but it works for me: The companions let their Herald choose their name for them so that they are not recognized as a reincarnated Herald, with all of the baggage that would result from that. -Richard. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:46:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Hyde To: DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com Subject: Re: Reincarnation and companions Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Now if a companion is a reincarnated > Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? To me this > is a huge problum in the reincarnated theory. I think that some companions > are reincarnated but then thier are others that arn't and i'm not talking > about grove born either. Dose anyone else have any thoughts on this? Well, I actually think this may strengthen the reincarnation theory. The text of Storm Warning suggests very clearly that the Companions do not want the Heralds to become aware of their true nature as reincarnated spirits (Karal's interaction with the doodit's Companion is a particularly good example). Now, one question that has always come up in the many discussions of this topic on-list what would happen if a Herald were reincarnated very quickly so that their friends and lovers were still around? Well, this business of letting their Chosen name them seems like a good way to avoid awkward questions. Perhaps, Sherrill's Companion (Silkswift?) let Sherrill chose its name to ensure that no-one made any connections between a recently deceased Herald and the new Companion? I mean, what if the original spirit had been someone very well known, like Elspeth the Peacemaker? A Companion that says "oh, btw, my name is Elespet" (or some similar version) is going to raise eyebrows and will probably inspire some definite questions, but if she simply says "Oh, I don't have a name, you pick one" the matter is over with no mind-control or memory-suppression or anything. Anyway, the "pick a name, any name" syndrome seems like it would work better, in fact, with the reincarnation hypothesis than with the null hypothesis (no reincarnation). If there is no reincarnation, then we have to come up with an explanation of why some Companions have names and others don't? I don't think we can get away with "poor parenting" or "neglect" as explanations. The split hypothesis (some Companions are reincarnated Heralds while others aren't--but also aren't GB) is less attractive and still has the question of why would Companions that are born and raised in the normal way not receive names? We know that Companions have their own social system which is not like a herd mentality and that they do use names to refer to each other (for example, when Tashir's Companion doesn't give his name to Yfandes, she makes up nickname for him). Given this, it is inconceivable that a Companion would grow up without a name. I would argue that the "pick a name" syndrome fits much better with the reincarnation hypothesis, where it actually has a plausible motivation. However, i would be interested in hearing any plausible explanations that would fit with the null or split hypotheses. Anyway, this is my take on the situation. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd, Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.udel.edu/kenny/prof/ken.html or .../kenny/pers/green.silences.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:54:30 -0400 From: Brujah To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage-Gift/Vanyel. Message-ID: <199706241554.LAA01196-+AT+-relief.idirect.com> At 09:33 PM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: >I remember several times when Van mentions the Bardic gift and how useful it >was when he needed to be something other than a herald. For instance in >Magic's Promise(?) He masqueraded as a bard to go in to Lineas. He also >really enjoyed relaxing to music. Roxanne Vanyel did that at the end but bards don't have to have the bardic gift do be admitted as a bard. There was one in the first of that series that didn't have that gift. All you had to do was have two of the three gifts they said. Either composing, musical ability and then the bardic gift. Vanyel also had empathy so that he could easily make people feel what he wanted but he never once that I read ever truly used it. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:54:32 -0400 From: Brujah To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yfandes/Jisa and Lyra/Kirs Message-ID: <199706241554.LAA01201-+AT+-relief.idirect.com> I could be wrong as well but I understood that Lyra had empathy and that was >why she would be chosen as MO because empathy is a gift for the MO and not the M I have a favour to ask of you. When does this come around and please state evidence of that. As far as I read the books they say that one of the twins will be chosen MO and the other will be Monarch but I can't remember a place where it says that it will be a specific person. Can I please have evidence where this is. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:54:28 -0400 From: Brujah To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vanyel's gifts Message-ID: <199706241554.LAA01192-+AT+-relief.idirect.com> At 06:02 PM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: > So it's confusing about how he has some Healing later on, but he does have They way I always looked at it was that she just didn't test Healing channel. MAybe because she couldn't or just wasn't too sure since she only had a little of that gift. >the Bardic Gift and just chooses not to use it often. When he was >travelling as a minstrel, he wanted to be inconspicuous, and he wanted to One explanation might be that he didn't know he had it because in the later books he said he didn't have it when he was talking to Medren about Medren being a better music person then Vanyel could ever be even if he spent every hour of his life practicing. That would explain why he didn't use it if he didn't know he had it. Aistes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:03:13 -0500 From: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu (Nina Ehgartner) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Naming Companions Message-ID: <199706241603.AA054798235-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu> Now if a companion is a reincarnated >Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? To me this >is a huge problum in the reincarnated theory. Why? Just because we hypothesize that Companions are reincarnated Heralds (and possibly other good/worthy/etc. people as well), this does not automatically exclude the possibility that Companions will let their Chosen name them. Here's my little scenario: What if a Herald dies and goes to the Havens. After X number of years, he/she chooses to come back as a Companion. But, he/she decides to take on a new name to go along with the his/her new incarnation. So, the options available are to (1) assume a variation of his/her old human name or (2) let his/her Chosen select a name. Regardless of the name, the Companions retain thier personalities and identities because they know and remeber who (and what) they are. Ice cream sheep to all (it's really hot here!!) Nina Ehgartner Admissions Assistant-Office of Admissions and Financial Aid J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management email: nme848-+AT+-hecky.acns.nwu.edu Phone: (847) 491-3308 Fax: (847) 491-4960 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:44:12 CST From: "Jaime Hathaway" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: goodbye Message-ID: <1A0B3771E2-+AT+-future.judson.edu> Well, everyone, it's been fun!! But college lets out for another summer (finally!!!), so I will be ending my account here in a couple days until fall. I have REALLY enjoyed this list. No one else here even knows of Misty, so being able to discuss her works will all of you has been a Godsend to me. I hope to be able to rejoin in September, but I will be student teaching 30 miles away, so I will only have access to the school's computers once a week or so. (oh, well--how long can it take to wade through 200+ messages? :-] ) I hope all of you have a great summer (or winter), and I will miss all of you. And a special thanks to Auntie Mel for being Listmistress (even if it is for some past life sins! :-] ) Bright day, all!! Jacquelle It is a far, far better thing that I do than I have ever done. It is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known. _A Tale of Two Cities_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Janelle Colleen Jarboe To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation and companions Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Ken Hyde wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > Now if a companion is a reincarnated > > Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? To me this > > is a huge problum in the reincarnated theory. I think that some companions > > are reincarnated but then thier are others that arn't and i'm not talking > > about grove born either. Dose anyone else have any thoughts on this? > > I would argue that the "pick a name" syndrome fits much better with the > reincarnation hypothesis, where it actually has a plausible motivation. > However, i would be interested in hearing any plausible explanations that > would fit with the null or split hypotheses. > > I think it really depends on when in Velgarth history you're talking about. I imagine that the first Chompanion born (NOT GB) would not be a reincarnated Herald becuase there probably weren't any Heralds to choose from. I think the pick-a-name syndrome fits the split idea best. The Companions with names in the early years were probably not reincarnated becuase all of the Heralds names would be known. More over I assume that some Heralds choose heaven not reincarnation (or have a third option like Van) so for many years there would not be enough passed away Heralds to comprise all the Companions. In fact the Herald/Companion comunity keeps on growing. I think that some of the Companions have to have "new" spirits in order to keep up with that growth. Lady Dawna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:49:07 -0500 From: "Dawn L. Anderson" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation and companions Message-ID: <33AFFA82.8986BDD7-+AT+-win.bright.net> DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > he said that somtimes companions let thier chosen name them. Now if a companion is a reincarnated Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? To me this > is a huge problum in the reincarnated theory. I think that some companions > are reincarnated but then thier are others that arn't and i'm not talking > about grove born either. Dose anyone else have any thoughts on this? > > DAWNSTAR > > ::staring out into the poring down rain:: A little rain never > hurt notin. I agree that there is probably a mixture of reincarnated companions and new companions but I don't understand why a companion letting his herald give him or her their name is a major problem for the reincarnation theory. The companions wanted to keep the fact that some of them had been heralds in another life so it would make sense to let their herald give them their name. Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:22:07 -0400 (EDT) From: DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HiPiers Message-ID: <970624152102_-792084038-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> i finaly read the newsletter and i have to say that i understand what he's saying. Yes he dose say one thing about Misty giving him a bad story but that was it. The gist of the letter to me seemed to be a complaint about the publisher. Plainly from his side he was swindled out of a great deal of money and if it happend to me i'd be mad to! As for what he said about misty i think he's just mad because the situation with his publisher and the anger is spilling over into his dealings with Misty. my third ever post and loving it all DAWNSTAR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxanne Nolan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Reincarnation and companions Message-ID: <199706242313.QAA20091-+AT+-concord.televar.com> At 03:40 PM 6/24/97 +0100, you wrote: > Okay i was rereading arrows of the queen again yesturday and i came >across somthing that kills the reincarnation theory or at least part of it >anyway. he said that somtimes companions let thier chosen name them. Now if a companion is a reincarnated >Herald then why do they let the Herald chose their name for them? The main reason I can think of would be because the companion was a recently deceased Herald and they did not want to give a clue away as to their being reincarnated Heralds. Roxanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Wooledge To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Re: IIPTNIG - piers anthony stuff (fwd) Message-ID: Someone wrote me privately and asked me what I thought of the now infamous May 1997 Piers Anthony newsletter. It's not really Misty-related, but I think there's enough interest in the topic to justify posting it publically. By the way, the hipiers web page is still a piece of trash. There's nothing on the front web page that takes you to the newsletter, or anywhere else for that matter. Oh, well.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Wooledge To: XXXXXXXX Subject: Re: IIPTNIG - piers anthony stuff On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, XXXXXXXX wrote: > http://www.hipiers.com/newsletter.html > To go to the general page, just drop the "newsletter.html" from the address. I went to the latter once a few days ago, when someone posted the hipiers URL to the piers newsgroup. At the time, what I saw was completely unimpressive. There seemed to be only one working link, a mailto: address. The rest was just inlines or something, not even using ALT tags. All web publishers should be forced to look at their own pages through Lynx. :-/ On the newsletter itself -- it sounds like there's a problem between Piers and the publisher of IIPTNIG. (Gee, a problem between Piers and a publisher??!? :-) I think some critical information was left out, without which we as fans can't objectively evaluate the situation. The only truly negative thing Piers says about Misty is that she gave him an "insultingly sloppy manuscript". And that statement is made in a context that implies there's something fishy going on: "apparently she was angry at my assumption that I know how to write Piers Anthony style better than she...". That's a most peculiar statement, to my eyes. I'm not quite sure what he meant by that. Did the publisher possibly lay down some rules that Misty had to write "Piers Anthony style"? As I said, we don't have enough information to know what really happened. In any case, reading the whole paragraph, it seems that Piers is writing about the publisher, and Misty is mentioned only in passing as part of the whole fiasco. She's not even mentioned by name. I don't think he really gave much thought to her part of the deal at all, focusing instead on his own rip-off (perceived or real). > Piers for many many years was my favorite writer, and I still love his work. Yes, me too. I have just about every Piers Anthony book that was published before 1990 or so. Piers seems like he can be rather willful and even acidic at times. I think Misty got caught in a fight between him and a publisher, which is NOT a battleground I'd want to be on! I know less about Misty than I do about Piers, but after reading her "Last Straw" essay, I couldn't help thinking how much her temper can resemble Piers' temper. (But her angry writing style is more enjoyable than his! :-) As I said on the list, I hope they're not really mad at each other, because I think they could form a good partnership if they really got to know each other. They seem to have a lot in common. Or maybe they're just too stubborn; maybe it's a combination that's doomed never to work out for personality reasons. Who am I to judge? Personally, I'll be content if each of them continues to produce good writing independently. They're both quite capable of standing on their own. ------------ Greg Wooledge ------------- ------- wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com ------- --- http://kellnet.com/wooledge/main.html --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Wooledge To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Piers and Vanyel again Message-ID: NightSong wrote: > However, please, > -please- don't try to compare his writing to Misty's. They're -nothing- > alike, it's like trying to compare kyree with hertasi. There are similar > points, and they both have their good/bad points, but they're totally > different. Piers does not write "serious" fantasy/sci-fi. Two points here. First, I agree that the writing styles are very different. Piers is an admitted obsessive/compulsive, and his works are very *structured*. He seems to feel a need to categorize and organize everything. But beyond that, there's a lot that they have in common. Misty's Heralds are the epitome of integrity. Integrity, honesty and heroism are very common traits in Piers' protagonists as well -- often they're honest to a fault. That's why I said they seem to have similar outlooks. Second, Piers has written many serious works, both fantasy/sci-fi and "mainstream". His earlier works, in particular, are quite good. It's only recently that he seems to have disappeared from the public consciousness, except for his written-for-money Xanth novels. If you're willing to try Piers after all this heated debate, then I think the best place to start is probably "On a Pale Horse", the first novel of his Incarnations of Immortality series (7 novels total). It's probably his most widely respected work. And it's not at all light-hearted or pun-ishing. :-/ Brujah wrote: > They way I always looked at it was that she just didn't test Healing > channel. MAybe because she couldn't or just wasn't too sure since she only > had a little of that gift. My opinion on this is that she did test Healing, and found that it was still closed. There's no reason to assume that his Gift channels were all fully open immediately after the accident. Maybe his Healing Gift, which was never very strong, took a little extra time to develop. Or maybe all his Healing energy was being directed inward, to Heal the damage he has suffered during the accident, and therefore wasn't "visible" when he was probed. ------------ Greg Wooledge ------------- ------- wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com ------- --- http://kellnet.com/wooledge/main.html --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: TheEmpore-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: lots and lots Message-ID: <970624194359_73078440-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> i think the book that told how alberich got his companion was one of the short stories in the "sword of ice"book that misty put out. it was a good compilation of stories by different authors. there was a really good one in there about a young karsite.............pick it up if you can btw- ive read piers and i dont like his style, but just because he did one little self -centered thing doesnt make a difference to me. i like misty's books and style and read them and that is what i want to talk about in this chain. so please stop bashing people on this it gets annoying ok? candy-coated gryphon byproducts to all, the emporer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxanne Nolan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yfandes/Jisa and Lyra/Kirs Message-ID: <199706250013.RAA02672-+AT+-concord.televar.com> > >I have a favour to ask of you. When does this come around and please state >evidence of that. As far as I read the books they say that one of the twins >will be chosen MO and the other will be Monarch but I can't remember a place >where it says that it will be a specific person. > >Can I please have evidence where this is. > >Aistes > Give me a little to re read the books because I don't remember exactly where it was. Also like I said earlier I could be wrong! roxanne ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1247 **********************************