MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1248 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) COMPANIONS, ETC. by ysara-+AT+-juno.com (Shana N West) 2) braid: reinc.; Robin; mage-gift; Companion names; Voice by "John and Kara Pekar" 3) Yfandes idea by Windstorm 4) Braid... sort of by "Selene T." 5) Collaboration by BeeJayOh-+AT+-aol.com 6) If I Pay Thee Not In Gold -Reply by Jennifer Lucy Cornelius 7) Re: HiPiers by "Joe Lackey" 8) Braid of sorts: Van's gifts, Piers Anthony, and Companions by "Alex Y. Kwan" 9) Signing off -- help please by Kehinde-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Collaboration by "weaver" 11) Re: Braid of sorts: Van's gifts, Piers Anthony, and Companions by Janelle Colleen Jarboe 12) Last Straw? by "Rundle, Iris (AZ77)" 13) Re: Last Straw? by Thomas & Kristine Jackson 14) Last Straw by "Joe Lackey" 15) Companions by RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com 16) Yfandes and Piers by Greg Wooledge 17) by gryphon-+AT+-vh.net 18) Re: reinc. by davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) 19) Re: Yfandes idea by "A. Sleep, Geriatric Surgeon" 20) Last Straw/Mage Classes by "A. Sleep, Geriatric Surgeon" 21) Vanyel's gifts by "Amanda Upole" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:26:12 EDT From: ysara-+AT+-juno.com (Shana N West) To: MERCEDES-LACKEY-+AT+-HERALD.CO.UK Cc: YSARA-+AT+-juno.com Subject: COMPANIONS, ETC. Message-ID: <19970624.222511.12406.0.ysara-+AT+-juno.com> I wonder if there's something in what Ken Hyde said about Y'fandes- that she gave a Companion a nickname because he wouldn't tell her one....Maybe all Companions choose, their names, go by what others call them, or in the Companion 'world', maybe their names are mindnames-not vocal in any way? Just speculation. As for the Piers thing, I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just stating my opinion. Also, I wonder if we could ask or find Misty's opinion on the whole thing? As for what Aistes said about Van and Bardic- Savil noticed it, so I assume she said something to Van. Also, I thought Van said something to Medren about his Bardic (but don't quote me on that one). Sunburnt Wyrsa to all, Shana - Ysara =) -+AT+-}--,--'--,-- a rose for those who care ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:38:18 -0400 From: "John and Kara Pekar" To: "MISTY" Subject: braid: reinc.; Robin; mage-gift; Companion names; Voice Message-ID: <199706250452.AAA06174-+AT+-sasquatch.crosslink.net> Jacquelle wrote (re: reincarnation as Companion): >There would be some kind of emotional conflict, it would seem. >Maybe that's why we haven't seen Savil and Jays until now--they >couldn't(by choice) come back when those they loved were still alive. But no one they knew lived 700 years!! Which is about the amount of time between the LHM and Arrows/Winds/Storm trilogies, according to the timeline at the beginning of recent books. ********************************** Robihane wrote: >Does anyone know what happened to little Robin from AF, >the small boy who got along so well with Elcarth? (Did I >miss something, and he was mentioned again, or was he >just dropped?) Does anyone think he might have been chosen? >Or any other ideas??? I have a vague, nagging sense that I saw his name somewhere in the Storms trilogy (though it might possibly have been Winds...) I could very well be wrong on this one, because I haven't been able to relocate the reference -- so no textevd, sorry. I hereby offer a reward of 16 double-fudge brownie sheep (virtual, of course!) along with a large, steaming mug of chava, to anyone who can find the reference -- if there is one. As far as other ideas...Now that we've seen a lot more about the Blues -- the "plumbline and compass lot", that is -- I'm inclined to think Robin would make a very good artificer. He has the necessary enquiring mind. Of course, he'd make an equally good scholar... It's certainly possible that he might be Chosen, but even if he's not, I think his intelligence, curiosity, and charm will be put to good use *somewhere*! ******************************************* Nightfalcon wrote: >*"gifts show up when we need them" >I disagree with this comment. In one of the Last Herald >Mage books (I can't remember which one), all the children >who would become mages were being killed before they >could get chosen. Wouldn't some heralds suddenly >discover that they have the mage gift? Apparently, the mage-Gift *wasn't* needed by Valdemar, at least at that point. Judging by it's 700-year survival, Valdemar was able to deal with anything magical that came its way, using "only" the Heraldic mind-magic Gifts, plus the vrondi and Vanyel's presence in Sorrows. It wasn't until Valdemar was faced with a) Ancar and his coerced/allied mages, and b) the coming Mage-storms, that the need for mages arose. ************************************************* Issica wrote: >Kara said: >>Apparently, Mage-Gift runs in families. Whether the >>mind-magic Gifts do as well is anyone's guess. >But then again none of Vanyel's ancestor's had any sign of a >Mage-Gift (other than Savil). There is textevd of that, but I'm too >lazy to find it - XX, anybody? Then again, this could be unusual. You're right...Savil checked out the Forst Reach brood when Van was a child. No one showed any signs of Mage-Gift or any Heraldic Gifts...except Vanyel, who had "potential, but nothing active...A pity; I'd hoped at least one of [Within's] offspring would share my Gifts." [MPawn, end of chapt. 1, p. 26 in SFBC omnibus ed. of LHM] Mage-Gift is rare, so perhaps it's not so very surprising that none of Within's children had it. My guess is that some of Van's descendants carried the potential, while others did not -- but they could still pass the possibility of the potential down to their heirs. *************************************** Roxanne wrote (quoting me): >> But remember Sherril's Companion? She let Sherril name >>her, rather than telling Sherril her name as most Companions do. >I do not remember this piece of information. can someone >please tell me what book it is in? Were there >any others besides Sherril's companion that did this? Whoops -- I think I'm guilty of making an assumption there. Mea culpa, mea culpa... In Talia's first Orientation class, Teren tells the trainees that the MO's Companion "always gives his name to his Herald; the others may or may not do so, and may allow their Heralds to pick a name for them." [AotQ, ch. 5, p. 82 in SFBC omnibus ed. of QO] I *thought* I had read somewhere that Sherrill told someone that she had chosen Silkswift's name, but now I can't find the Sherrill reference. I must have assumed that Sherri named her Companion based on a) Teren's comment, as quoted above; and b) the fact that the name Silkswift does not match the pattern of other Companion names. Most Companion names are given names with no obvious meaning or symbolism; "Silkswift" looks much more like a descriptive name. (Or a Tayledras name, but since there has been *NO* suggestion that any Tayledras ever became Heralds, or were reincarnated as Companions, I think we can throw that possibility out.) As far as your question about other Companions allowing their Heralds to choose their names, it was common enough for Teren to comment about it. On the other hand, every Choosing which we as readers have witnessed has included the Companion introducing him/herself to the Chosen by name, or at least imprinting the name in the Chosen's mind (as in Talia's case.) Examples: Yfandes & Van -- Yfandes' name was known to the Heralds, since Jaysen recognized her as "the Companion who hadn't Chosen for over ten years" [MPawn, ch. 9, p. 178 in SFBC ed. of LHM], so we know Van didn't name her. Both Sayvil & Jasen introduced themselves to Kero & Daren by name. We can be fairly sure that Gwena gave her name to Elspeth; like the MO's Companion, Gwena is Grove-born, and when Elspeth says "Talia, it happened! Gwena Chose me!", she has hardly had time to pick out a name! [AFlight, ch. 1, p. 235 in SFBC ed. of QO] Oops -- I forgot one exception, though -- Tashir and Ghost... If Ghost ever told Tashir his real name, Tashir didn't tell anyone. At one point, when Van is about to Gate himself and Tashir back to Forst Reach, he tells Yfandes that she and "the Young One" should run for it. Later, it is Yfandes who give the Companion the name Ghost: ":The Young One -- I have taken to calling him "Ghost", for he has been haunting this place like the veriest spirit..." [MPromise, beginning of ch. 9, p. 458 in SFBC ed. of LHM] So there is at least one other beside -- possibly -- Sherrill and Silkswift. ******************************************* Someone wrote: >And I may be confusing books here, but doesn't the >bardic gift come with The Voice? Where you can get >other people to obey when you use it? I think you're confusing books, but now I'm confused. I recognize your reference to the Voice, but I can't...yes, I can! It's from _Dune_ and its sequels. It's a Bene Gesserit technique, not a Bardic one. ******************************************* Wow. Lots of people had lots of really interesting ideas this time around. (Cennydd, I thoroughly enjoyed the clarity of your arguments re: Companion names and how they support the reincarnation hypothesis. But I thought the Heraldic-reincarnation-as-Companion thing had gone into the realm of "accepted fact" rather than "hypothesis"?) Wind to thy wings, and sleep to thine eyes...oops, I'm confusing authors, here. Anyway, have a good night or morning or whateKara "So many books, so little time"ver you're having right now; I'm going to bed. ("And high time, too!" comes a mutter from the bedroom.) Kara Disciple of Textevd "So many books, so little time" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:31:50 -0600 From: Windstorm To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Yfandes idea Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970625003150.007d8210-+AT+-pop.srv.ualberta.ca> Hmmm. I just thought of something interesting. If Yfandes was "the Companion who haden't chosen for ten years", or whatever the exact quote is, could she have been Grove Born? I mean, she must have been pretty old when she chose Vanyel, the ten years plus the time it took for her to grow up, and quite a few years passed till the end of MPrice. Considering an average horses' lifespan isn't too much past twenty, and even allowing for an increased lifespan in Companions, Yfandes would have been REALLY old. And Grove Born Companions are supposed to live indefinately, or until they're killed. Anyone have any ideas on this? We never really hear about Companions' dying of old age, but there we a few who were refered to as getting up there. Jadus' Companion, Alberich's companion I think, and maybe more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:28:08 +0800 From: "Selene T." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid... sort of Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970625072808.006a3454-+AT+-qinet.net> >The song Shadowstalker shows a use of the Van's bardic gift. He sings to the >Shadow-weaver and undoes her shadow-born magics and kills her with songs of >"life and light." I don't have the lyrics, or I'd quote them more fully. You mean this? "...And he gathered up his magic then, her powers to defeat//Herald Vanyel raised his golden voice and sang of life and light,/Of the first cry of a baby, of the silver stars of night./Herald Vanyel sang of wisdom, sang of courage, sang of love,/Of the earth's sweet soil beneath him, of the vaulting sky above,/ Sang of healing, sang of growing, sang of joy and hope and dreams,/And the Singer of the Shadows felt the death of all her schemes./It was then she tried to flee him, but his song and magic spell/Struck her down and held her pinioned and she faltered, and she fell..." BTW, was it just me or is the rhythm of this song (when read as a poem) the same as the one for the introduction to "Sun and Shadow?" >Hehheh..I can see it now... "Karal?" "Yes, Firesong?" "You know how I said >I'd Gate us out of here?" "Mmmhmm...." "Well...I don't think we're in >Velgarth any more." Does that have any relation to "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas any more." from _The Wizard of Oz_? (speaking as a long time fan of all Oz books) AAARRGGHH!!!!! Please stop this Piers Anthony thing. If you're really convinced, then go join the Magewar mailing list (magewar-+AT+-herald.co.uk) and ask Gyrfalcon to attack with the Men in White (ie, PA fans) so you can go start a Magewar somewhere else. Question to anyone who has read any of the 14 original L. Frank Baum Oz books or the Ruth Plumly Thompson ones -- how do you think *they* would have told the LHM? Or how about Vows & Honour? There's a question I really want to ask floating somewhere in my head (talking to myself: where are you? come here, all I want to do is write you down and post you to the list...) >I've never seen this cartoon but i don't think a misty story can be >changed into a cartoon.Her charactors are more three dimentional and human >then you could ever translate into a cartoon. I do think that if misty ever >has her stories transferd to the silver screen it should be in a movie. I know! I know! Get the people who did "The Nightmare Before Christmas" to do it! Oh wait a minute... they looked a tad clay-y there. Wait! Brilliant idea! Get the people who do the special 3-d scenes in Spiderman and Marvel Action Hour... Though I must admit, anime is quite impressive (compare an 80's anime to an 80' American cartoon). F I R E B I R D S P O I L E R That should be enough space. One thing: has anyone read C.J. Cherryh's set of books, beginning with Rusalka, then Chernevog and Yvgenie? I was recently re-reading the last two, and wondering about slightly different interpretations of Russian legends. For example, the descriptions of rusalkas, and some stuff about leshys and domovoi and all the rest. Another thing: could the Firebird possibly have some sort of Bardic Gift, being able to sing people to sleep and all that? Just curious. -Selene T. {| o{=={O)-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-}~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> {| Selene T. Elven Knight of Fairgrove selly-+AT+-geocities.com|seltan-+AT+-qinet.net http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8121/ {] &(=={O}-+AT+--+AT+--+AT+-}XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX> {] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BeeJayOh-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Collaboration Message-ID: <970625074926_125605434-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> I have a story all fleshed out in my head, but frankly I hate the writing task. Is there anyone out there who would like to explore a collaboration with me? The story is a fantasy whose main character is a really nasty troll. It probably would fit best in children's fantasy fiction. If you have an interest in exploring this possibility, please e-mail me. I have just recently signed on to the board and am enjoying the "snippets". Am a long-time fan of Mercedes Lackey's books and am particularly fond of the heralds. Bye y'all-- Bev. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:23:04 -0400 From: Jennifer Lucy Cornelius To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: If I Pay Thee Not In Gold -Reply Message-ID: I'm reading the story I pay thee not in gold right now... and I don't know what Anthony said about it.. but if I were you listsib.. I wouldn't get too mad... because the fact is .. once again she has written a wonderful story with likeable characters in a fasinating place.. so what ever he may have said.. well.. he's from the empire... lol chocolate sheep with candles to all.. its my birthday today!!! Elven Lady of Fairgrove Rose -+AT+-}}-}------ /{\ -+AT+-=A7=A7=A7<{-+AT+-}=A7=A7=A7}:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> \{/ > Not In Gold"? Anyone read what Piers said about it? I hate to start an "I'm Mad at Piers" fest, but it made me angry. If I recall correctly, it was in one of the Hi-Piers newsletters on the web. I don't remember the details, but it had to do with her being overpaid because, according to him, she is not as good a writer (I disagree!!!!!!!). I always admired him in the past until he slammed the good people on the Xanth mailing list (I am one of them). Any comments: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 05:24:02 PDT From: "Joe Lackey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: HiPiers Message-ID: <199706251224.FAA04554-+AT+-f49.hotmail.com> >From mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Tue Jun 24 12:29:08 1997 >Received: from vanyel (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vanyel.herald.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA21969 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:29:04 +0100 (BST) >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:29:04 +0100 (BST) >Message-Id: <970624152102_-792084038-+AT+-emout09.mail.aol.com> >Errors-To: lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >Originator: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >Sender: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >Precedence: bulk >From: DAWNstarM-+AT+-aol.com >To: sorowheart-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Re: HiPiers >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List > > i finaly read the newsletter and i have to say that i understand what he's >saying. Yes he dose say one thing about Misty giving him a bad story but that >was it. The gist of the letter to me seemed to be a complaint about the >publisher. Plainly from his side he was swindled out of a great deal of money >and if it happend to me i'd be mad to! As for what he said about misty i >think he's just mad because the situation with his publisher and the anger is >spilling over into his dealings with Misty. > > my third ever post and loving it all DAWNSTAR > > Unlurking.... I also read this newsletter and frankly I was extremely susprised as what he said in the newsletter about the book was very very different from what he had to say in the author's note in the book. I would have to aggree with DAWNSTAR in that he was probabley just pissed off and lashing. My suggestion is that we do what he allways suggestes we do if we have a problem with something he said. Write him a reasoned, non acusarity letter explaining our problem with what he said and asking him to please give us clearer reasons for his statement. I also know that if you berate him in this letter you are not likely to get anything other than a nasty response. Somebody mentioned that Peirs Anthony's work was juvinile and that he could only take so many puns. Please do remember that Peirs has been writing serious science fiction for many many years before he ever touched fantasy. His science fiction works are generaly considered right up there with Isack Asimov and other such writers. Cut the guy some slack he is old and even he realizes that he is an oger. No spaming for this please!!!!! Wind to thy wings! The minute you stop thinking that someone is out to get you, someone gets you.-me Sorowheart k'Marra Ancester of Puck DreamMaster Major(been this for 10 years before I ever joined this list, if there is something I need to do to make it official here let me know please) --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 04:39:09 -0700 From: "Alex Y. Kwan" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid of sorts: Van's gifts, Piers Anthony, and Companions Message-ID: <33B1035C.C0C-+AT+-earthlink.net> Hello, listsibs. First, sorry, I usually don't have textved because I hate going through books and cutting my own thoughts off like that. So if you want to push all my stuff into the speculation pile, feel free to do so. Van's Healing and Bardic Gift: Okay. I agree with whoever (I never got around to remember names. So sorry to all mentioned later) it is that says perhaps the healing channel of Van didn't open until later. It sounds very reasonable. But the theory of all the energy was focused on healing Van and so Savil didn't see it can't happen because Savil was testing whether the channels is open or not. Even if the energy is all on healing Van, an open channel would still show. As to Van's Bradic Gift. I think Misty just plain messed up on this case. At first when I heard the theory maybe Savil didn't tell Van I thought it was totally the case. I mean, I can't imagine how bitter I would be if I got the Bardic Gift through that kind of circumstances. So to 'protect' Van, Savil never told him. But then I thought it over and realize that couldn't work because even if Savil didn't tell Van, he'd still eventually know. I mean, the first moment he pick up a lute, he'd be using his Gift even unintentionally and others'd have realize and told him. (Remember Merden? To anyone that have heard a Bard use his gift, it's downright obvious that Merden is using his Gift, without training, without knowing exactly that he *is* doing it.) Am I still making sense? Van'd definitely know even if Savil didn't tell him. So, as I've said before, I think Misty messed up this time. Piers Anthony: Please stop attacking him and stating that you hate him. As the 'List Elders' would verify, we've already started a different mailing list (magewar) because of Piers Anthony vs. Misty. Do we need start another mailing list again?! But I kinda want to put my two cents in before shutting up on this. I love his books. I love his 'serious' sci-fi/fantasy ones and I really like his Xanth books. I think he's a really good writer. I've read quite a lot of his author's notes and stuff. And I don't think he's so bad a person either. With that said, I now end all I'd ever say about Piers Anthony on the Misty list. Companions: I think, as Cennydd've said, the naming by the Chosens re-inforced the idea of reincarnation rather than disproving it. As was said before, the recently re-inc' ones needs a name a lot more different than their human ones, so they have their Chosens name them instead of giving a variation of their human name. Okay, the lifespan of Companions is, I expect, the same as humans. Even for the regular Companions. Let's assume that the Companions are about ten when they Chose. Their Chosens are usually around the early teens. And quite a lot the Heralds do live to their old age. And if Companion dies, the Herald'd probably die also. So if Heralds live to be, let's say, 50, the Companion is at least 45. That's just a regular Companion. And a lot of Heralds do live past the age of 60. So Yfandes isn't that much older really when compared to others. Especially when Van died under 40. (Though his and Stef's age are pretty inconsistent throughout the MPrice, it never went above 40) About Ghost. He did come from Valdemar, right? So why would the Yfandes *not* know his name? Is it because she's been doing border fightin, therefore, out of Havens, for too long? Or is it because she just doesn't want to give Ghost's name out or what? And if Ghost is re-incarnated, he shouldn't act so inexperienced, should he? I am just really confused about Ghost here. Any help and/or answers? On all the discussions about shaych Companions and such. Giggles. Gee, mechanics of horse-sex (sorry about how crude that sounds). Yes, I really want to know! Now all our minds are in the gutter! And we still have no idea whether there are shaych Companions or not! Oh, good, I didn't bring the topic up. I would hate to prove to everyone that their 'sick' minds are always in the gutter. Well, I think that's it. Chocolate-flavored sheep to all (and I do think flavored wrysa would be really cool idea). from little Alex Knight of OAM Fan of Misty Lackey (obviously) and Anne Rice Trekkie, X-Phile, and Slash Lover ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kehinde-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Signing off -- help please Message-ID: <970625095128_-958746340-+AT+-emout01.mail.aol.com> Hi, I'm sorry for the probably too many times repeated post but how do I sign off this list? I forgot where to send the sign-off message too. TIA --Ivy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:22:29 -0600 From: "weaver" To: Subject: Re: Collaboration Message-ID: <199706251618.KAA31550-+AT+-ns1.info2000.net> I'd be willing to help you. I've written a few short stories, and would like to try something else. Gloria Bell (Nightfalcon) weaver-+AT+-info2000.net ---------- : From: BeeJayOh-+AT+-aol.com : To: weaver-+AT+-info2000.net : Subject: Collaboration : Date: Wednesday, June 25, 1997 6:32 AM : : I have a story all fleshed out in my head, but frankly I hate the writing : task. Is there anyone out there who would like to explore a collaboration : with me? The story is a fantasy whose main character is a really nasty : troll. It probably would fit best in children's fantasy fiction. If you : have an interest in exploring this possibility, please e-mail me. : I have just recently signed on to the board and am enjoying the "snippets". : Am a long-time fan of Mercedes Lackey's books and am particularly fond of the : heralds. : Bye y'all-- : Bev. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Janelle Colleen Jarboe To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid of sorts: Van's gifts, Piers Anthony, and Companions Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Alex Y. Kwan wrote: > Okay, the lifespan of Companions is, I expect, the same as humans. > Even for the regular Companions. Let's assume that the Companions are > about ten when they Chose. Their Chosens are usually around the early > teens. And quite a lot the Heralds do live to their old age. And if > Companion dies, the Herald'd probably die also. I agree commpletely. Companions are more like people than horses in all ways but form. It would suck if the Companions died of old age at age twenty becuase then the average Herald would be abandond at age 23 or 25. I can't remember his name and I don't have the book on hand but Talia's old friend-the one that teaches her to sing and play- dies at age seventy or something and he dies BEFORE his Companion (granted he dies minutes before his Companion but still) Companions can definately live as long as their Heralds. > About Ghost. He did come from Valdemar, right? So why would the > Yfandes *not* know his name? Is it because she's been doing border > fightin, therefore, out of Havens, for too long? Or is it because she > just doesn't want to give Ghost's name out or what? And if Ghost is > re-incarnated, he shouldn't act so inexperienced, should he? I am just > really confused about Ghost here. Any help and/or answers? The Companions don't all know eachother by name. I would guess that the Companions that want to have their Heralds pick a name wouldn't tell the other Companions a name either. More over there are a lot of Companions. Just as all the Heralds don't know ever other Herald's name, I'm sure there are some Companions who simply are not aquanted. Also just becuase Ghost is inexperienced doesn't mean his not reincarnated. I imagine that your first time 'round as a Companion is pretty confusing. Wind to thy wings, Lady Dawna ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 1997 12:56:04 -0500 From: "Rundle, Iris (AZ77)" To: ML List (Return requested) Subject: Last Straw? Greg Wooledge wrote: >Piers seems like he can be rather willful and even acidic at times. >I think Misty got caught in a fight between him and a publisher, which >is NOT a battleground I'd want to be on! I know less about Misty than >I do about Piers, but after reading her "Last Straw" essay, I couldn't >help thinking how much her temper can resemble Piers' temper. (But her >angry writing style is more enjoyable than his! :-) What's the Last Straw essay? Where can I find it? Any help appreciated! And a wooden sheep decoy to all! StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:26:15 -0700 From: Thomas & Kristine Jackson To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Last Straw? Message-ID: <33B162C7.7F49-+AT+-pacbell.net> Rundle, Iris (AZ77) wrote: > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > >Piers seems like he can be rather willful and even acidic at times. > >I think Misty got caught in a fight between him and a publisher, which > >is NOT a battleground I'd want to be on! I know less about Misty than > >I do about Piers, but after reading her "Last Straw" essay, I couldn't > >help thinking how much her temper can resemble Piers' temper. (But her > >angry writing style is more enjoyable than his! :-) > > > What's the Last Straw essay? Where can I find it? Any help appreciated! > > And a wooden sheep decoy to all! > > StarWolf We went through this a month ago, but check out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:36:03 PDT From: "Joe Lackey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Last Straw Message-ID: <199706252036.NAA11455-+AT+-f70.hotmail.com> I just now got to read the Last Straw essay and it scared me. No I'm not upset at Misty for writing this. It just scares me to think that anybody is that crazy. Then I look at my brother(talked about in the Help bit on this service[look for Help by Joe Lackey in the archives] for those of you who did respond thank you but I still have a problem getting hard evidence as we do NOT live anywhere near each other any more) I realize that I even know people like this and THAT really scares me. I don't know about you but I plan to write to the address she gives at the end of last straw and formally apologize for these crazy fans(oh my brother IS a Misty fan as well and he takes allot of stuff off of her books, he even believes he is in mental contact with the spirit of Vanyell(sp)). I hope you all do the same. All for now. Wind to thy wings, Sorowheart k'Marra Ancestor of Puck DreamMaster Major --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Companions Message-ID: <970625192929_-1160326287-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-06-25 15:23:57 EDT, you write: << About Ghost. He did come from Valdemar, right? So why would the Yfandes *not* know his name? Is it because she's been doing border fightin, therefore, out of Havens, for too long? Or is it because she just doesn't want to give Ghost's name out or what? And if Ghost is re-incarnated, he shouldn't act so inexperienced, should he? I am just really confused about Ghost here. Any help and/or answers? >> Ghost seems to be something of a nickname- and if its his first time back and he died young like a lot of heralds, then he would'n have a lot of experience-of if he choose before he was 10? I think thats the ussuall age for coosing ( the companions age) then he would be young and unsure as well- especially so if he where both.Also the nickname( why is that such a long word) probably came from the way he hoverd around scarring the farmers before he was brought in the stable. AFN, /{\ Seeya, -+AT+-§§§<{-+AT+-}§§§}>>><>>>><>>>><>>>><>>>><> -Regan(RT) \{/ Human LadyKnight of Fairgrove U.S.S.Conquistidor Protector of Children &Cultivator of Fast Cars Member of the Clan Denial Fellow Crevic Dweller Knight errant of the Kingdom of Mercersyard, Blessed Destroyer of weeds Oponant of a Wrriten Languge Disability§ Seeker Kyr Nolae, bondmate of Qwue'la "If you don't know it, look it up!" -Anonymus -+AT+-§§§}>>><>>>><>>>><>>>><>] -+AT+-†††}>>><>>>><>>>><>>>><>] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Wooledge To: Mercedes Lackey mailing list Subject: Yfandes and Piers Message-ID: Windstorm wrote: > If Yfandes was "the > Companion who haden't chosen for ten years", or whatever the exact quote > is, could she have been Grove Born? I can't totally rule out the possibility, but I don't think she was. Gwena is the only known case of a GB Companion who wasn't Monarch's Own's Companion, and Gwena was "born" on the same night she Chose Elspeth. Somehow, it doesn't "feel" right to me that a GB Companion would sit around for 10 years waiting for a Herald to come of age. The only way I could see Yfandes being GB were if she did what Gwena did and clouded everyone's memories to think she'd been there for 10 years, when really she sprang into existence at the moment of Vanyel's need. But I don't think she had a chance to set up something that subtle; there was enough for her to do trying to keep Vanyel alive without having to worry about everyone else in Haven. Joe Lackey wrote: > I also read this newsletter and frankly I was extremely susprised as > what he said in the newsletter about the book was very very different > from what he had to say in the author's note in the book. Good observation! Why didn't I think of that? :-) If he (Piers) really hated the collaboration, then he wouldn't have done it, or at least his author's note would have been more vicious. The viciousness of the newsletter IMHO points toward problems that arose *after* the publication of the book. Raspberry sheep to all for the continuing Piers content. I'm trying to keep it to a minimum so we can get back to our "normal" (?) selves. ------------ Greg Wooledge ------------- ------- wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com ------- --- http://kellnet.com/wooledge/main.html --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:14:45 -0400 From: gryphon-+AT+-vh.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: I am currently overwhelmed and need to get off the list. Of course I lost the directions. unsubscribe mercedes-lackey gryphon-+AT+-vh.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:05:28 -0700 From: davidt-+AT+-cet.com (D H Tiffany/Shawn Marie Walker) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: reinc. Message-ID: <0XRszwHqhpHb088yn-+AT+-cet.com> "John and Kara Pekar" wrote: >Jacquelle wrote (re: reincarnation as Companion): >>Maybe that's why we haven't seen Savil and Jays until now--they > >But no one they knew lived 700 years!! Which is about the amount of I hate to keep hammering on this every time it comes up, but how do you know that this is their first time around the wheel as Companions? For all the evidence we have they could have been reinc'd several times between the end of LHM and the start of AotQ. We just don't know! Also, in the much-loved orientation scene in Arrows, it's made clear to us that most Heralds don't live to a ripe old age so it would probably not be nessecary to wait 70 years for all your old pals to kick the bucket. Maybe 40 or so? David Tiffany, God of Typoos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:38:32 From: "A. Sleep, Geriatric Surgeon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yfandes idea Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970625153832.29b70fd6-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> > Hmmm. I just thought of something interesting. If Yfandes was "the >Companion who haden't chosen for ten years", or whatever the exact quote >is, could she have been Grove Born? I mean, she must have been pretty old >when she chose Vanyel, the ten years plus the time it took for her to grow >up, and quite a few years passed till the end of MPrice. Considering an >average horses' lifespan isn't too much past twenty, and even allowing for >an increased lifespan in Companions, Yfandes would have been REALLY old. >And Grove Born Companions are supposed to live indefinately, or until >they're killed. Anyone have any ideas on this? We never really hear about >Companions' dying of old age, but there we a few who were refered to as >getting up there. Jadus' Companion, Alberich's companion I think, and >maybe more. Yes, but we've noted on several occasions that Companions are not horses. Yfandes may have been getting on in years, but perhaps another difference between Companions and horses, is lifespan. Could it be that Companions have longer life expectancies? *G* <>Jack Dorland <>Internet: http://www.geocities.com/~chakram <>Email: chakram-+AT+-geocities.com <>IRC: `Lendel <> #1 on the BORG Hit Parade: <> We all sleep in a single subroutine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:34:49 From: "A. Sleep, Geriatric Surgeon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Last Straw/Mage Classes Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970625023449.2ad7be26-+AT+-mail.geocities.com> Hi... Sorry to discuss a dead post, but I joined after the Last Straw thing. I read it today, and I think I'd have done the same thing. People who can't tell fantasy from reality need serious help, and they also need to have the harsh truth pointed out to them. That's all ML did in her Last Straw letter. I commend the decision to explain that she is sick of people abusing her writing. And, I have a question... In Misty's books, we hear about Apprentice, Journeyman, and Adept-class mages... (Isn't there a Master-class too?) We know from Kethry's Adept Manifestation that people can become adepts when they are ready to wield that kind of power. But how do they determine when they advance from Apprentice to Journeyman, and from Journeyman to Master? Triscuit sheep, Jack <>Jack Dorland <>Internet: http://www.geocities.com/~chakram <>Email: chakram-+AT+-geocities.com <>IRC: `Lendel <> #1 on the BORG Hit Parade: <> We all sleep in a single subroutine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:53:56 PDT From: "Amanda Upole" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Vanyel's gifts Message-ID: <199706260153.SAA24408-+AT+-f58.hotmail.com> I was recently rereading Oathbreakers, and I came across a reference (can't tell you the page) to Kethry having some "minor healing powers" that were definitely NOT connected to Need. Could this imply that there are some kinds of healing that can be accomplished with true magic? If so, Vanyel wouldn't necessarily need the Healing gift. Just a thought. Amanda Upole President of ALIN & misty fan --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1248 **********************************