MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1295 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) MIST Re: Companions - Question by Eleonora Scoseria 2) Question-Winds of Fury by "toni kelly" 3) Re: Question-Winds of Fury by larsen 4) Re: Question-Winds of Fury by Jennifer Wrenn 5) Tylendel's vs. Van's situation by "SJB" 6) Re: Spoiler: Fire Bird and Storm Breaking.. by Sorana Shadowcat 7) Re: RE: Hardcover editions by J Hulley-Miller 8) List Homepage (neat stuff) by Cristilyn Lawton 9) Re: Please read this all. by toothfry-+AT+-sprynet.com 10) Re: Tylendel's repudiation by Greg Wooledge 11) Re: Van as an accomplice? by RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: List Homepage (neat stuff) by Remmington Crothian 13) Re: Tylendel's repudiation by Remmington Crothian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:54:40 -0300 From: Eleonora Scoseria To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: MIST Re: Companions - Question Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970808095440.00699f1c-+AT+-nicasio.distrinet.com.uy> At 05:39 AM 08/08/1997 +0100, Trae wrote: >Heyla Listsibs. I just had an idea. If it's been discussed and discarded >before, just let me know. Y'know how you can apply for a bondbird? Well, >why can't we also apply for a Companion? I know that they're supposed to >choose you, but this is a virtual vs. fictional, so we can maybe bend the >rules. What say thee, O Councillors of Myst???? O Fellow Listsibs????? Weeeeell, unfortunately the problem with that one is copyright . Just as we have been concerned over whether having fictional bondbirds might verge on copyright infringement, we are even more concerned about Companions, considering they are a substantial part of Misty's works. Granted, we could argue that the Companion idea is not original to Misty since McCaffrey's dragons are so similar. But Misty's equine Companions and the Herald concept are Misty copyrighted and we all know how she feels about the subject. So, if anyone wants a Companion and/or a Misty world persona, I'd suggest your contacting Queen's Own. Sorry to drop cold water over the fun. So, Trae, I am sorry, but I'm afraid it's a no no . Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:06:38 PDT From: "toni kelly" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Question-Winds of Fury Message-ID: <19970808170638.28103.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hello. This is the first time I've tried this so I hope I'm doing it right. I just re-read Mage Winds and I have one little question. Towards the beginning of WofFury, it says that Gwena told Rolan where Elspeth& co. would be Gating to and Rolan told Talia. Maybe I am not remembering this correctly but I thought that Rolan and Talia could not MindSpeak each other in words only images and emotions. If that is true, how could Talia figure out where exactly Rolan meant when he showed her where the Gate was going to be? I hope that made sense. I'm not really sure. Thanks Aurora Dawnstar P.S. Please forgive any typing errors. Im really out of practice ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:02:29 -0700 From: larsen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question-Winds of Fury Message-ID: <33EB7B55.1F71-+AT+-voyager.net> toni kelly wrote: > > Hello. This is the first time I've tried this so I hope I'm doing it > right. > I just re-read Mage Winds and I have one little question. Towards the > beginning of WofFury, it says that Gwena told Rolan where Elspeth& co. > would be Gating to and Rolan told Talia. Maybe I am not remembering > this correctly but I thought that Rolan and Talia could not MindSpeak > each other in words only images and emotions. If that is true, how could > Talia figure out where exactly Rolan meant when he showed her where the > Gate was going to be? I hope that made sense. I'm not really sure. > Thanks > Aurora Dawnstar > > P.S. Please forgive any typing errors. Im really out of practice > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Well, let me just say this, when gating you use mind pictures, that is you picture the place in your mind, and it has to be a place that you have bee, and since companions and heralds are never apart it had to be a place where both of them have been, thus, Talia would recognize the place that Rolan mind sent. To confusing or what? Brownhawk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:27:13 -0400 From: Jennifer Wrenn To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Question-Winds of Fury Message-ID: <33EB6501.C093DADA-+AT+-atlonline.com> Aurora Dawnstar wrote: << Maybe I am not remembering this correctly but I thought that Rolan and Talia could not MindSpeak each other in words only images and emotions. If that is true, how could Talia figure out where exactly Rolan meant when he showed her where the Gate was going to be? I hope that made sense. I'm not really sure.>> And BrownHawk replied: <> Umm, first off, Talia would not necessarily recognize the place, because Rolan was MO's Companion for at -least- one other person, for longer than she was even alive. So Rolan could've been to hundreds of places that Talia had never even heard of. But, about how she knew where Elspeth & co. would be Gating to, my thought is that Talia -can- Mindspeak Rolan (or he can her, since we never really decided if the lack was in Talia or Rolan or both) Sheeps to all for this lack of true textevd, but I remember once that Rolan was projecting concern to Talia, and she asked him if it were bad enough that she needed to trance down -so he could tell her what was wrong- (emphasis mine). I think this was in AFall, but I can't remember exactly (sorry, still no books :( ). At any rate, we've been over -that- particular question many times, but that's my thought. But as to Brownhawk's statement, it's probably the real answer, because Elspeth was familiar enough with the Ashkevron manor that it would seem Talia also would be. Oh, but wait...for Rolan to show that to Talia, wouldn't she -have- to have some receptive Mindspeech? Something like that can't really be driven by emotion, so she wouldn't be able to pick it up with her empathy. Well, I've confused myself , but I will stand by my belief that Talia has some, -very- small amount of Mindspeech with Rolan. Anyways, I hope that gives you some ideas, Aurora, and hope it wasn't -too- confusing. Stars light your paths, NightSong ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:08:32 -0400 From: "SJB" To: "mercedes lackey mailing list" Subject: Tylendel's vs. Van's situation Message-ID: <199708081957.PAA28013-+AT+-mailhost.capecod.net> Cennydd wrote: > His insanity may have led him to those acts, but what he did was evil, > and being insane just doesn't make him innocent or free from > responsibility. (In case you are wondering, I don't agree with the US > Justice system's "innocent by reason of insanity" defence). I agree that the defense of "innocent by reason of insanity" is abused in the US Justice system. However I believe that the reason the defense exists in the first place is to take into consideration situations where there has been extreme emotional, physical and spiritual trama. These tramas often leave a person in a completely different state of mind; unable to focus on reality and see beyond thoughts of revenge etc. If you do not believe in "innocent by reason of insanity" then what Van did when he first was able to defend himself should have been treated like any other mass murder scene. Like I have all ready stated insanity is not something that is black and white. It is something full of gray areas that one person can not pass judgement on by themselves. People who are found to be insane, even temporarily, are not let out on the street to join the rest of us. They are often institutionalized or at least closely watched with therapy of some kind depending on the kind of crime that was committed. Since the wysra had not attacked and it was most likely that Tylendel could have stopped or held off the wysra till someone else arrived Gala may have been able to get through to him had she tried. Another thing that needs to be put into perspective is the fact the Tylendel was not a Herald yet and Van was. Tylendel was still a very young man and he had very little life experience. He had seen very little death. What happened to him was beyond what any of us can comprehend. No one knows for sure how they would act if a bond like that was severed. Van, when he was raped and abused, was a full grown adult with years of experience behind him. Do any of you think that had you asked Van before hand what his reaction would be to a situation like that that he would say he would mass murder everyone on sight? If there had been innocents on site then Van would have killed them too. As it was he killed the healer and the boy. Van is a control freak and that kind of loss of control would probably be beyond his comprehension at least for himself. So if the laws of repudiation are going to be black and white Yfandes should have repudiated Van (even though it would have made for a bad ending for the book:-). Maybe instead of repudiating Tylendel Gala could have said what Stef said to Van..."If you do this, you'll be just as bad as he is. Don't let him do that to you! Don't let them make you into something like they are!" (pg304 MPrice). Because of what Stef was able to say he was able to stop a completely mad and insane Van from killing the man that had started and finished the gang rape. Cennydd wrote: > First, Van's response to his multiple rape and extreme abuse was not > premeditated in the same way that Tylendel was. Agreed...but... > Van was responding to direct personal attacks that had kept him in a > state of extreme pain and disorientation for an extended period. Tylendel was also responding to a direct personal attack (IMHO part of him died with his brother) that kept him in a state of extreme emotional pain and physical pain (from the backlash) for an extended period. Not to mention the fact that his brother made him promise to seek revenge. > Van's response was an atavistic, almost animal, response > to a violent and debilitating direct attack. Tylendel's behavior was a > scheme for revenge. *snip* Some people would argue that in a situation such as Tylendel's and Van's that revenge is a completely human response (not necessarily right but human nonetheless). I agree with what Stef said to Van in MPrice and I think it applies to every human... "Listen to me, it's not your fault. You were in pain, your mind was confused, you weren't able to think of anything except hurting them back. That's part of you---everybody has that as a part of them. You're not a god, above mistakes! It's just a part of you that you lost control of for a little. If it had been me, I'd probably have done a lot worse things than you did"(pg305). Ele wrote: > I have another question about that. Isn't Van actually acting as > Tylendel's accomplice in the whole thing? I never thought of that. Actually Van had himself convinced that what they were doing was justice and not revenge as I believe that Tylendel had also done. IMHO yes, technically, Van would be an accomplice. However Van is young and vulnerable and love is blind sometimes (right?:-). Anyway that is my extra continued thoughts on this subject:-) Blessed Be...Jess *Councilor of Mist* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 12:43:35 -0700 From: Sorana Shadowcat To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Spoiler: Fire Bird and Storm Breaking.. Message-ID: <33EB76E7.79B2-+AT+-olypen.com> Heyla all! Lasara shena Tale'sedrin wrote: > Also, do any of you know if ML plans to write any more on the Heralds of > Valdemar series? They are my favorites (sorry SERRAted edge and Diana > Tregarde lovers!), and I would much appreciate any information on them.. > There's Owlflight (coming I don't know when), & Brightly Burning (Coming in 1998). Those are the only ones _I_ know of. I sent away for my Herald persona sheet today! Pretty soon I'll get to be _Herald_ Sorana Shadowcat chosen of _____!!!!!!:) Gosh! only three days 'till my birthday! Wonder what books I'm gonna get. Zhai'helleva, Sorana Shadowcat Knight of Amber and Marigold *************************************************************************What is the dark; shadows around you, why not take heart n the new day? Ever and always. Always and ever. No one can promise a dream for you. Time gave both darkness and dreams to you. --Enya ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:41:58 -0400 From: J Hulley-Miller To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: RE: Hardcover editions Message-ID: <19970808174158.42568-+AT+-pobox.com> On %M %N, Ashali9928-+AT+-aol.com wrote > Sorry for the many short posts, but are you sure? The Science Fiction Book > club usually puts a different cover on it and I think it's by Daw. I'm not > sure. I'll check. Absolutely certain. I have both the original paperback and a copy from the Science-Fiction book club. They both have the same cover art... -- __ J Hulley-Miller \/__ \/ "Human nature is never so weak as in a bookstore" - Henry Ward Beecher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 17:48:10 -0400 From: Cristilyn Lawton To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: List Homepage (neat stuff) Message-ID: <33EB941A.6E7F-+AT+-mindspring.com> Heyla All! I've just added pictures of Misty taken at Dragon-Con to the List Homepage. I've also added the birthday list. Both of these can be accessed from links on the Fun and Games Page, and on the New Stuff page as well. BTW-If anyone has any Misty pictures from Dragon-Con they'd like to share, I'll put them up. Already scanned is preferable, but if you want to send them snailmail, I'll try to get them scanned. Email me privately about this. In case anyone needs it, here's the url for the page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1387 Love, Light, and Laughter, Herald Darla -- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:23:00 -0700 From: toothfry-+AT+-sprynet.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Please read this all. Message-ID: <199708082323.QAA20500-+AT+-m5.sprynet.com> <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:16:38 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk From: "Terri Cage" To: toothfry-+AT+-sprynet.com Subject: Re: Please read this all. Sorry, but I do not believe this kind of chain. By returning this to you, the circle is completed. ---------- > From: Lasara shena Tale'sedrin > To: rapier-+AT+-mscomm.com > Subject: Fwd: Please read this all. > Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 1:14 AM > > > >>IMPORTANT: Everyone, I am very sorry that I had too send you this. > No > >>actually I am not. I should be sending this to everyone who has aol > but > >>instead I just sent it to my friends. Anyone who does not send this > to > >>someone, or anyone who has a problem with me sending this can forget > >>going to heaven, if you know what I mean. It will take you around 5 > >>minutes of your VERY busy schedule to send > >>this to a couple people. Wait a sec. If you're on aol you're > probably > >>on to > >>talk. Well I hate to brake it to you but if that's the case then you > do > >>not > >>have a busy schedule and you do have time to do something for someone > >>else. > >> Now I don't want to seem like I'm wishing for this to happen because > I > >>am > >>deffanitly not but what if you were dying from a disease that could > maybe > >>have a cure soon but with the help of money. Would you expect your > >>friends > >>to forgert about you and not worry about saving your life? I don't > think > >>you > >>would expect that if they're your friends. You know that friends, > true > >>friends, are there for you ALWAYS. As far as I'm concerned, every > person > >>is > >>a friend until they do something to you. Therefore unless this kid > who > >>is > >>trying to raise money has done something bad to you, I see no reason > why > >>you > >>can't help. Sending this to a few friends does not cost you anything > but > >>not > >>sending it to anyone may cost an innocent child's life. > >> > >>Hello. My name is David Lawitts and I have severe lung and throat > cancer > >>due > >>to second hand smoke. This chain was a final attempt to help solve my > >>problem. For every one person that this letter is sent to, the > national > >>lung > >>and cancer association will donate 3 cents to help me and other people > >>like > >>me become healthy again. If you do not pass this letter on, my life > and > >>memory will soon both be gone. So please, try to send this to at least > 10 > >>people. It is for a good cause. (By the way, be sure one of the > people > >>you > >>send it to is "CWOVES-+AT+-GEOCITIES.COM" as he keeps track of the names > that > >>have > >>passed this along.) I give my blessing to those who pass this along. > To > >>those > >>too selfish to take 2 minutes to do this, what goes around comes > around. > >>Thank you. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--------- End forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:01:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Wooledge To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel's repudiation Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Paul, The Emporer wrote: > ok..about this lendel and choosing thing........i dont think that > companions really choose those that are good.....i think they choose > those that they NEED. That's definitely part of it. But I think there's another part: they Choose people who need to be Chosen for their own good or for the good of people around them. This applies most especially, I think, to Mages. If a young person with the Mage-Gift isn't trained properly, the Gift could control the person instead of vice versa. That could have devastating consequences, possibly causing the deaths of many people. One way to get the person trained properly is to Choose him/her. (I could make some more remarks about pre-Winds vs. post-Winds Mages, the vrondi, etc. But that distracts from the point too much.) A related question which may be interesting: if a person is born in Valdemar with the Mage-Gift, will that person necessarily also have the qualities to become a Herald? I don't recall anyone native to Valdemar having the Mage-Gift and not being Chosen, let alone using his/her Mage-Gift for evil purposes. This leads into all sorts of messy Velgarth-theological issues.... ------------ Greg Wooledge ------------- ------- wooledge-+AT+-kellnet.com ------- --- http://kellnet.com/wooledge/main.html --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van as an accomplice? Message-ID: <970808200946_-2075525893-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-08-08 00:15:16 EDT, you write: > True, his beloved was suffering, but Van should have known enough about > justice in Valdemar to know he could go to the heralds and demand their > justice. > Ele > Councilor of Mist > But he didn't, know enough about heralds I mean. He was from a family that kept alot from him and he knew it, so why would he belive what they said. also she explains that Van though this was normal behavior and that that was how it was supposed to be so he thought Lendale was in the right due to his rather twisted upbringing. AFN RT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 20:23:49 -0700 From: Remmington Crothian To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: List Homepage (neat stuff) Message-ID: <33EBE2C5.2273-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> Ya, it's a short message and I'm sorry. But I'm not familier with this Dragon-Con and where it was. I'm assuming it's a large fantasy convention, but the where is the more important. -- On the way back they sang a number of tuneful and reflective songs on the subject of peace, morality, culture, sports, family life, and the obliteration of all other life forms. ................................ And so with that said and done, I now take you back to a reality you don't truely understand. ................................ Attention, now we will sing the history of the pighead who stopped our beloved Red Baron!! ................................ ICQ 1438388 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 20:29:57 -0700 From: Remmington Crothian To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendel's repudiation Message-ID: <33EBE435.49F9-+AT+-ix.netcom.com> Greg Wooledge wrote: > A related question which may be interesting: if a person is born in > Valdemar with the Mage-Gift, will that person necessarily also have > the qualities to become a Herald? I don't recall anyone native to > Valdemar having the Mage-Gift and not being Chosen, let alone using > his/her Mage-Gift for evil purposes. This leads into all sorts of messy > Velgarth-theological issues.... I don't think it's ever happened either, but I imagine that assuming campanions choose people to help them then they would be chosen. Also, I imagine that if a mage was not chosen, once word of their mage gift got out, I believe they would be contacted and invited to Haven for proper training. Another question that comes from this: What if the person who is chosen refuses? -- On the way back they sang a number of tuneful and reflective songs on the subject of peace, morality, culture, sports, family life, and the obliteration of all other life forms. ................................ And so with that said and done, I now take you back to a reality you don't truely understand. ................................ Attention, now we will sing the history of the pighead who stopped our beloved Red Baron!! ................................ ICQ 1438388 ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1295 **********************************