MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1303 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Gwena by Peabodypal-+AT+-aol.com 2) New to Mercedes Lackey books by Leia975-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: New to Mercedes Lackey books by "Julie S. Burnham" 4) Re: New to Mercedes Lackey books by Hyllarr-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: sorry: storm breaking spoiler by RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com 6) thanks for your help everyone!! by Leia975-+AT+-aol.com 7) to any Newbies out there: Welcome and please read this! =) by Eleonora Scoseria 8) SOI by georg-+AT+-swbell.net 9) Re: Sword of Ice by "Michael A. Keats" 10) Re: sorry: storm breaking spoiler by "Michael A. Keats" 11) Re: Sword of Ice by "Michael A. Keats" 12) Re: Sword of Ice by "Michael A. Keats" 13) Re: Re[2]: Sword of Ice by "Michael A. Keats" 14) Re: New to Mercedes Lackey books by "Michael A. Keats" 15) Re: thanks for your help everyone!! by "Michael A. Keats" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Peabodypal-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gwena Message-ID: <970815231704_-1001460029-+AT+-emout06.mail.aol.com> I think that's A good Guess. What do you would happen if two Heralds who were lifebonded became Companions at the same time ? Would they still be lifebonded? How would it affect their Heralds if they were? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Leia975-+AT+-aol.com To: Mercedes-Lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: New to Mercedes Lackey books Message-ID: <970816025140_-1437983032-+AT+-emout10.mail.aol.com> Hey everyone i'm new to Mercedes Lackey books....Does anyone have any suggestions of ones i should start out with? thanks Leia975 --------------------- Forwarded message: From: starlyre-+AT+-juno.com (Asphodel Lisen) Sender: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Reply-to: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk To: leia975-+AT+-aol.com Date: 97-08-15 21:13:40 EDT On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:03:21 +0100 (BST) "Little Crow" writes: > > >>>I agree with whoever it was who said that he [Van] just >>>unrepudiated by 'Fandes because Valdemar needed him for that little >problem >>>up North. What I don't get is *why* Vanyel should be repudiated in the first place? >>So how does this work? Do the Companion's know their Chosen's gifts before >>they Choose? And, in Van's defense, he didn't know he was a mage at the >>time, and I don't think he knew what 'Lendel was doing... Even so, 'Fandes >>didn't Choose him until AFTER this whole thing was over, when Van was >>trying to kill himself... >>Jack Dorland Vanyel didn't know what 'Lendel was going to do, and he helped 'Lendel out of love. Even Savil said, "It wasn't his fault, Jaysen." Besides, as Jack said, Yfandes choose Vanyel after he helped Tylendel, so obviously she thought Vanyel has the qualities required of a Herald. >The Companions DO know their chosen's gifts before they Choose, I'm >pretty sure anyway. It's one of the reasons Elspeth's Companion was >Grove born, to deal with her hidden Mage Talent. Plus, in order to be >Chosen, a Herald HAS to have mind magick of some sort. It's one of the >requirements. The way I understand it, a Companion can read and >measure your soul. But as Ylsa said in _Arrows of the Queen_, (in answer to Neave's question "Does everybody have this kind of--uh--gift?") "Again, yes. The catch is that most people don't have enough of the ability for it to be really useful to them... As far as that goes, there are some of us whose Gifts ar hardly stronger than those of nonHeralds." So wouldn't that mean that Companions judge primarily by heart and character instead of by Gift? >And to clarify, I think the part about Yfandes repudiating Vanyel, is >referring to much later, when Van was taken prisoner in the mountains, >beaten and raped, then took revenge when he was free. >(that IS what you guys are talking about, right? Otherwise I think I'm lost!) > >My personal opinion on the repudiation subject: >Tylendel blocked EVERYONE out, including his Companion. He no longer was >able to fulfill his duties as a Herald, because he had no other interest >in life than the revenge of his twin. He was obsessed, for quite some >time, and it became irreversible. >With Vanyel, however, when he had his little revenge incident, >He didn't block everyone else out, and lose interest in his mission to protect Valdemar. >Companions are also interested in revenge. They're people too. And very >protective. How do you think Rolan felt at the treatment of Talia? >and Gwena has had some nasty thoughts about blood path mages. > >Little Crow >http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/6217 I agree with Little Crow on this analysis. Vanyel was locked for a little time in his own loop of insanity, because he was hurt so badly. He was just striking out blindly at those people that had hurt him--not like 'Lendel, who forgot everything and everyone but his own little murder-revenge plot. I'll bet that Yfandes could understand very well why Vanyel was hurtling levin bolts around, especially since she knew some of what had been done to him. Besides, if 'Fandes had considered Vanyel to be unworthy to be a Herald for any reason, I think she would have repudiated him, even if Lereath was coming from the North. At the end of _Magic's Promise_, I recall the Shadow-Lover(?) saying to Vanyel "You are not Valdemar's only hope, but you are her best hope." So theoretically Valdemar could have mustered another defense even if Vanyel *had* been repudiated? Any other thoughts on this? Stars light your road, Asphodel "I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace, Where never lark, or even eagle, flew..." --High Flight "Cartada, Ragosa, your memory of Silvenes...they *cannot* be saved. Even you cannot dance that dance between fires..." "Rodrigo, I have to try. To dance that dance."--The Lions of Al-Rassan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:54:47 +0000 From: "Julie S. Burnham" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New to Mercedes Lackey books Message-ID: <199708161606.LAA30298-+AT+-ns.inw.net> Leia wrote: > Hey everyone i'm new to Mercedes Lackey books....Does anyone have any > suggestions of ones i should start out with? thanks The Arrows trilogy, definitly. Those are the ones I started out on - they just keep getting better and better! Julie Holder of the Glasses, Langly Division, LGAB; SSA #1 "Hey, the walls are padded. Look what I can do!" - Me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Hyllarr-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New to Mercedes Lackey books Message-ID: <970816164846_1680306089-+AT+-emout15.mail.aol.com> i started on the Black Gryphon, i read them in chronological (sp?) order, so i wasn't confused as all hel*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: RTeclectic-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry: storm breaking spoiler Message-ID: <970816195241_1124587367-+AT+-emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-08-14 23:25:14 EDT, you write: > > > > i wish to apologise about breaking the spoiler rules, > > i just forgot, my mistake, i didn't mean annoy anyone, so if you all can > > forgive my > > lapse. > > > > storm breaking aftermarth spoiler > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > \ > > i beleive that it is quite possable that the eastern empire, will turn > into > > an empire of vampiric mages. > > Bid disagreement here. The Eastern Empire are not EVIL pooeple. > The Eastern Empire (they need a better name) cares about it's people. They > have fair > laws that apply to everyone. I agree with you that the people in the EE are not evil but I think that if they'er emporer is not yet a blood mage he is well on his way to becoming one, and he is crule if not compleatly evil. I don't think the 'fair laws that apply to everyone' is going to last much longer. I thaink that the laws will allow mages under the emporers employ to do anything to raise power- and not all of the power that could go to the people will. > > RT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Leia975-+AT+-aol.com To: Mercedes-Lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: thanks for your help everyone!! Message-ID: <970816202111_110031236-+AT+-emout19.mail.aol.com> Thanks everyone for giving me names of books to start out with....its really a big help and i appreciate it..thanks again! :):):) Leia975 --------------------- Forwarded message: From: koneal-+AT+-wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Daniel O'Neal) To: Leia975-+AT+-aol.com Date: 97-08-16 20:08:33 EDT Leia975-+AT+-aol.com wrote: Well, "Arrows of the Queen" is the first one chronologically, so you might want to start there. However, the first books I read of hers were "The Last Herald-Mage" trilogy (beginning with _Magic's_Pawn_), and I still think that they're by far the best. If you like hack & slash, Sword-and-Sorcery type stuff, tho, _Oathbound_, _Oathbreakers_, and _By_the_Sword_, are all great reads, too. Then again, if fantasy set in the modern day is to your taste, you need to try the "Diana Tregarde Investigations," or the "SERRAted Edge" and "Bedlam Bards" series. _Firebird_ and _Fire_Rose_ are re-tellings of classic fairy-tales. So where you start really depends on what kind of fantasy you're in to. Enjoy, Tanager ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:53:40 -0300 From: Eleonora Scoseria To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, Kenny , Subject: to any Newbies out there: Welcome and please read this! =) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970816215340.006e4858-+AT+-nicasio.distrinet.com.uy> Hi there! to anyone new to the list, be welcome! I hope you will have a great time here. If you are new to the list I thought I'd say hi, and point you to a web page that contains useful info both about list etiquette and background (i.e. list jokes, the sheep thing, the policy about flames, or rather the way of dealing with them off-list, etc.). The URL is: http://www.udel.edu/kenny/pers/newbiefest/newbiefest.html There is also a list of abbreviations at: http://www.udel.edu/kenny/pers/newbiefest/abbrev.html If you don't have Web access, feel free to email me and I'll be glad to send you a copy. If you need help or have any doubts, please email me or any of the people with Councilor of Mist in their sigs. We are there to help. =) Welcome! we hope you will enjoy yourself with us. Peace, Ele Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:13:34 -0500 From: georg-+AT+-swbell.net To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: SOI Message-ID: <33F65E4E.6882-+AT+-swbell.net> Heyla all...just got SOI and was wondering if anyone knows if Misty is planning anymore compilations(like S&S). Speaking of MZB does anyone know if she has a list? Anyway if there is another Velgarth book I hope Misty takes a more active role in the stories. Well _____ flavored sheep to all(you fill in the blank...duh) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:53:01 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sword of Ice Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816195301.006a0d20-+AT+-bconnex.net> At 02:53 PM 15/08/97 +0100, you wrote: > >> At 01:18 AM 14/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>From: "Joseph W. Simmons" <<< >> >> >>Subject: Re: Sword of Ice >> >> >> was the LHM series ever released in hardback or is that >> >> >>another (*sigh*) series of Misty's that only ended up in paperback? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >A few years ago, I picked up a hardcover book of all three LHM books in >> >> >one. I think it was a Sciece Fiction Book Club special edition, but >> >> >there it was in a used book store. You can bet I snatched it up. >> >> >My wife is blind but we have read every book about Valdemar (I read them >> >> >out loud) We even have the story of Threes 'Turnabout' on tape from Off >> >> >Centaur. >> >> >> speaking of stories on tape.....anyone know if any of Misty's books have been released in audio-book format. I have a friend whom I would like to introduce to the books but he is a trucker by trade > >> He does however listen to audio books while he is on the road. If someone could tell me if there are any out there and how to order them, Id muchly appreciate it. >> >> >> Darksong > >I could probably read one of the books at least onto a tape for your >trucker friend. Would anyone else volunteer? > >Julie the newbie. > If I was at all a good public speaker, I would do it myself...but I stumble and stammer alot in those kinda situations. But If PPL would do that, read a book onto tape for me....It would be much appreciated. Darksong ------------------------------------------------- When all is dark and cold in life, hold fast to the light of hope, for it will see you throughffff,ffff,0000. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:59:11 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: sorry: storm breaking spoiler Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816195911.006a0d20-+AT+-bconnex.net> \ >> i beleive that it is quite possable that the eastern empire, will turn into >> an empire of vampiric mages. > >Bid disagreement here. The Eastern Empire are not EVIL pooeple. They have a diiferent >society then the heroes of the books and becouse the books bring us the view of Valdemar >and friends, anybody brought in to make their life difficult will appear evel. I >remember when Karse was evil. Thats exactly right, And I have an Idea for a new series of books for Misty. Write something to do with life growng up in the Eastern empire. Have a young person from the empire be chosen or something, bring them into the picture more as ppl instead of a huge faceless giant. Darksong ------------------------------------------------- When all is dark and cold in life, hold fast to the light of hope, for it will see you throughffff,ffff,0000. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:06:07 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sword of Ice Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816200607.006a0d20-+AT+-bconnex.net> At 08:00 PM 15/08/97 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >>> speaking of stories on tape.....anyone know if any of Misty's books >have been released in audio-book format. I have a friend whom I would >like to introduce to the books but he is a trucker by trade > >>> He does however listen to audio books while he is on the road. If >someone could tell me if there are any out there and how to order them, >Id muchly appreciate it. >>> >>> >>> Darksong >> >>I could probably read one of the books at least onto a tape for your >>trucker friend. Would anyone else volunteer? >> >>Julie the newbie. >>Holder of the Glasses, Langly Division, LGAB; SSA #1 >>"Hey, the walls are padded. Look what I can do!" - Me > > >I could probably read one or two as well, let me know when where and >how! > >Little Crow (also a newbie) thank you very much.....if you could do that....starting maybe with the HOV, We could work out a way for the tapes to be shipped to me, and us pay for materials and postage and all that stuff. thanx... Darksong ------------------------------------------------- When all is dark and cold in life, hold fast to the light of hope, for it will see you throughffff,ffff,0000. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:10:07 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sword of Ice Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816201007.006a0d20-+AT+-bconnex.net> At 09:07 PM 15/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >LittleCrow wrote: >> >> speaking of stories on tape.....anyone know if any of Misty's books >> have been released in audio-book format. I have a friend whom I would >> like to introduce to the books but he is a trucker by trade > >> >> He does however listen to audio books while he is on the road. If >> someone could tell me if there are any out there and how to order them, >> Id muchly appreciate it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Darksong >> > >> >I could probably read one of the books at least onto a tape for your >> >trucker friend. Would anyone else volunteer? >> > >> >Julie the newbie. >> >Holder of the Glasses, Langly Division, LGAB; SSA #1 >> >"Hey, the walls are padded. Look what I can do!" - Me >> >> >> I could probably read one or two as well, let me know when where and >> how! >> >> Little Crow (also a newbie) > >I can read Arrows Of The Queen and maybe the other two Arrows books. >I was thinking we could just read them into a tape player and when we >have the trucker's address we could send them to him. > >Julie that would be much appreciated Julie, My friend, who goes by the nick Ghost-Rider on the C.B. will enjoy them I think, he LOVES fantasy novels....and there's enough of misty's works to keep in "Reading" material for at least two or three weeks. Darksong ------------------------------------------------- When all is dark and cold in life, hold fast to the light of hope, for it will see you throughffff,ffff,0000. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:16:05 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sword of Ice Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816201605.006a0d20-+AT+-bconnex.net> At 10:47 PM 15/08/97 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >>So far, no misty book that I have come across is on tape. I also do >not >>recommed recording one w/o the author(s) express permission. That's >bound to >>cause legal problems. >> >>Starfire > >I agree, that's probably a good idea. However, since we have no >intention of Selling the material, or widely distributing it, hopefully >there's no copyright problems. I don't think making an audio book for a >friend for private "in truck" use is going to be too much of a legal >problem, but I suppose you never know. We should probably petition Misty >or her publisher to release an audio book set, to let them know the need >and desire is out there. Hopefully, then, we won't have to worry about >it ! > >Little Crow -------> > >>I can read Arrows Of The Queen and maybe the other two Arrows books. >>I was thinking we could just read them into a tape player and when we >>have the trucker's address we could send them to him. >> >>Julie >>Holder of the Glasses, Langly Division, LGAB; SSA #1 >>"Hey, the walls are padded. Look what I can do!" - Me > >I have the Last Herald Mage series, all 3 Winds books, and all 3 Storm >books, so, if this is going to be possible (I agree, we should probably >check into the legalities of all this), then I can do any of the above. > >Little Crow If anyone has an address or something by which to contact Misty(or her publishing company for that matter) to ask if they would mind terribly if we were to do that, I will do so. Darksong ------------------------------------------------- When all is dark and cold in life, hold fast to the light of hope, for it will see you throughffff,ffff,0000. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:20:04 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: New to Mercedes Lackey books Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816202004.006a0d20-+AT+-bconnex.net> At 10:19 PM 16/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >i started on the Black Gryphon, i read them in chronological (sp?) order, so >i wasn't confused as all hel*. > > I personally started with last herald mage (magics pawn) and it had me hooks good and tight ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:32:24 -0400 From: "Michael A. Keats" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: thanks for your help everyone!! Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970816223224.006b252c-+AT+-bconnex.net> At 01:31 AM 17/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks everyone for giving me names of books to start out with....its really >a big help and i appreciate it..thanks again! :):):) > > > Leia975 >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: koneal-+AT+-wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Daniel O'Neal) >To: Leia975-+AT+-aol.com >Date: 97-08-16 20:08:33 EDT > >Leia975-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > >Well, "Arrows of the Queen" is the first one chronologically, so you >might want to start there. However, the first books I read of hers were >"The Last Herald-Mage" trilogy (beginning with _Magic's_Pawn_), and I >still think that they're by far the best. If you mean cronologically as in the order in which she wrote them,yeah, you're right, but in the books, Black gryphon was the first in the timeline. Darksong ------------------------------------------------- When all is dark and cold in life, hold fast to the light of hope, for it will see you throughffff,ffff,0000. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 1303 **********************************